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Donzman (m)
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Is this true?. . . I believe it is because they have the same system in Canada and it seems to favour the lower class individuals since they do not need a lawyer. Have you had a contrary experience?. . . Let us know. Quote is from Muhammadu Buhari published during an interview at http://allafrica.com/stories/200404220907.html?page=2Isn't the establishment of sharia law in northern states in Nigeria a threat to the country's stability?
The controversy over the application of sharia is a sign of the instability with the government. It is constitutional. It was not a cause of social upheaval until it was given unfavorable publicity by communities who thought sharia was a threat to them.
It has been seen that it is not a threat to anybody. No non-Muslim has been taken before a sharia court. We have the sharia, the customary court and common law, which we inherited from the British. All it needs is for the government to properly educate people. Sharia is confined to those who believe in it. It may interest you to know that there are recorded cases in Kano and Zamfara where non-Muslims take Muslims to a Muslim court and get quicker justice. They don't need a lawyer. All they need are witnesses. It is cheaper and it is faster.
So the system with the three legal systems is viable. It is working, and we have been with it since Nigeria became one country in 1914. There is only a communication gap, which was created by the incompetence of the government. State governments chose to introduce it, limiting it to their own states and their houses of assembly, approved it and it became law.
It is a question of leadership and I always go back to free and fair elections. If you allow someone to make money anyhow, raise an army, bribe officials and law enforcement just to win elections, the instability will only get worse.
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Ejarune (m)
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Please i don't seem to understand your point here. Are you trying to be in support of Sharia law in Nigeria?
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shango (m)
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there is nothing good about Religious laws governing a society, much less Radical Islam.
Lest we forget the Christian Crusades and the Islamic Jihads of Usman Dan Fodio.
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Afam (m)
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The problem is that some Nigerians are usually afraid of discussing the real issues, who is afraid of the truth?
I have maintained from day 1 that there is nothing wrong with the introduction of Sharia in any part of the country where the majority wants it.
It is only when someone who does not believe in it is being forced to be tried with Sharia law that one can talk about unconstitutionality.
But in a society where real issues are avoided like plagues the elite will always toy with the intelligence of Nigerians as rumours, gossips, half truths etc are easier to discuss and relate with, very sad.
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TayoD (m)
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How can you introduce Sharia as a State religion and not expect it to affect those who do not believe in it? No where in Zamfara will you find a woman in the same vehicle as a man who is not a member of her immediate family. No okada to carry women because of Sharia and we are busy playing nice saying it is acceptable as long as the majority of people desire it. What about the constitutional right of those who don't believe in Sharia to congregate in public places with any one they like? There are just too many loopholes that will violate the nation's constitution and the rights of every Nigerian.
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Easyy (m)
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How can you introduce Sharia as a State religion and not expect it to affect those who do not believe in it? No where in Zamfara will you find a woman in the same vehicle as a man who is not a member of her immediate family. No okada to carry women because of Sharia and we are busy playing nice saying it is acceptable as long as the majority of people desire it. What about the constitutional right of those who don't believe in Sharia to congregate in public places with any one they like? There are just too many loopholes that will violate the nation's constitution and the rights of every Nigerian.
If zamfara peopl decide to have Sharia law, they should get it. I don't see what's wrong with people getting what they want. If the same law is applied to chop off their limbs, it will be their problem. |
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TayoD (m)
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What about the Christian minority among them? What about a traveller who has to change his clothes while passing through the State? Must I compromise my constitutional right in any part of the country when I am supposed to be guaranteed such?
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Seun (m)
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What about a former muslim that decides to renounce Islam after committing a crime against Sharia?
Will such a person be allowed to convert to Christianity? What about a child that wants to convert?
If the Sharia apologists cannot demonstrate their ability to limit the influence of the law, it shouldn't be allowed.
Would it be ok for the police force to "democratically" decide to be ruled by a system that legalizes bribe-taking?
Of course not! Because such a strange legal system, like Sharia, affects everybody, not just the targets.
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Easyy (m)
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What about the Christian minority among them? What about a traveller who has to change his clothes while passing through the State? Must I compromise my constitutional right in any part of the country when I am supposed to be guaranteed such?
To the Chrsitian minority, we have been told that the law only applies to those who chose to be governed by it, though I have never lived in any such place. What exactly is your constitutional right? Does your constitutional give you the right to deny others their right to exercise rights? I am not an expert in Nigerian constitutional matters but I believe I read OBJ saying that the introduction of Sharia in any State is not unconstitutional, so, why should your own right over-ride the rights of others? Whats good enough for the goose is good enough for the gander. |
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Easyy (m)
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What about a former muslim that decides to renounce Islam after committing a crime against Sharia?
Will such a person be allowed to convert to Christianity? What about a child that wants to convert?
If the Sharia apologists cannot demonstrate their ability to limit the influence of the law, it shouldn't be allowed.
Would it be ok for the police force to "democratically" decide to be ruled by a system that legalizes bribe-taking?
Of course not! Because such a strange legal system, like Sharia, affects everybody, not just the targets.
What I read is that if you not willing to be judged by Sharia law, you can opt out and use the ordinary civil court of law so if a person renounces Islam after commiting a crime, he faces the normal court of law. The civil court of law is not about conversion to christianity. A child convert to what? Although I have never seen it in practice, I cannot say they should not do it just because I am not a moslem. The police force cannot vote like that because they are governed by law. The people who passed the law are acting on behalf of the people of the State. Laws are made by representatives of the people. Most British people were not in support of the war in Iraq but our representatives spent our tax in executing the war because we gave them a mandate to do things and govern on oyur behalf. Let's stop getting carried away by religious bigotry |
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shango (m)
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the law will apply to those who chose it?
This is just daft. Laws are applicable once agreed upon by EVERYONE. You cannot iintroduce Sharia law in Kaduna and say oh, the Christians do not have to follow it or former moslems do not have to follow it. Tell that to the population of people in Sharia states. You Islamic fundamentalists are something else. You are even more hardcore than the Arabs that founded the religion they inflicted on Black African tribes. Even in Lebanon and Iraq, places where Islam has its roots, do not practice Sharia law, yet the people the religion was forced upon through militant Jihad advocate such backwards laws?
Why stop at Sharia? Why don't you moslems do another Jihad, take over Southern Nigeria and make it a Caliphate. Then you will have a TRUE islamic nation. Why stop at Sharia law in Northern States? I mean we can have a Caliphate where Christains can coexist with Moslems, afterall Caliphates and Sharia law has exceptions and allowances for us KAFIR
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Easyy (m)
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the law will apply to those who chose it?
This is just daft. Laws are applicable once agreed upon by EVERYONE. You cannot iintroduce Sharia law in Kaduna and say oh, the Christians do not have to follow it or former moslems do not have to follow it. Tell that to the population of people in Sharia states. You Islamic fundamentalists are something else. You are even more hardcore than the Arabs that founded the religion they inflicted on Black African tribes. Even in Lebanon and Iraq, places where Islam has its roots, do not practice Sharia law, yet the people the religion was forced upon through militant Jihad advocate such backwards laws?
Why stop at Sharia? Why don't you moslems do another Jihad, take over Southern Nigeria and make it a Caliphate. Then you will have a TRUE islamic nation. Why stop at Sharia law in Northern States? I mean we can have a Caliphate where Christains can coexist with Moslems, afterall Caliphates and Sharia law has exceptions and allowances for us KAFIR
Are you not being silly here? I made it very clear that this is what I heard from the advocates of these things and I could not be clearer in stating that I had never lived in such a state. What are you to label anyone as fundamentalist for airing a view, however contrary the view might be? have you ever met me before? |
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Easyy (m)
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There are laws in this country that I do not ascribe to BUT they are still the laws of the land, passed by the elected representatives of majority of the people, and I have to abide by them.
Laws are not made to suit minorities at the expense of the majority, go and find out the meaning of democracy.
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Donzman (m)
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For all you ignorants, every ex-British colony recognizes the Common/Customary court system. Even here in Canada they have Sharia courts which settles disputes amongst muslims. I do not feel there is anything wrong with it if it is imposed on muslims. I only have a problem with it when non-muslims are forced to observe it.
My question then is this; Have you had any problem with this set up or do you know someone (firsthand not hearsay) who has been forced to abide by Sharia even when he/she is not a muslim?. . . I'm just trying to see if Buhari's statement makes sense in Nigeria.
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JosBoy4Lif (m)
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Even in Nigeria amongst Muslims
Sharia law is a choice they are not forced to take their disputes to Sharia Courts
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Easyy (m)
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For all you ignorants, every ex-British colony recognizes the Common/Customary court system. Even here in Canada they have Sharia courts which settles disputes amongst muslims. I do not feel there is anything wrong with it if it is imposed on muslims. I only have a problem with it when non-muslims are forced to observe it.
My question then is this; Have you had any problem with this set up or do you know someone (firsthand not hearsay) who has been forced to abide by Sharia even when he/she is not a muslim?. . . I'm just trying to see if Buhari's statement makes sense in Nigeria.
Donzman, thanks. Many times I see bigotry in some remarks on here and it's such a shame. People lose their sense of fairness and objectivity because of their religious bigotry. |
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shango (m)
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there is a difference between going to sharia courts to settle dispute and implementing sharia law as the law of the land for a particular state/province/country.
If you want to settle disputes that way who cares.
However we are talking about implementing Sharia Law by Radical Hausa Sunni moslems who killed Igbos the last time the Dutch made comic strips about their "Prophet"
And you expect these same people to implement Sharia law within a democratic and non-discriminatory fashion?
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Seun (m)
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If Sharia courts are merely being used to settle disputes, that's ok. That would be a form or arbitration.
As long as it's voluntary, I can't speak against that. But that's not what the muslim politicians are planning.
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Easyy (m)
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If Sharia courts are merely being used to settle disputes, that's ok. That would be a form or arbitration.
As long as it's voluntary, I can't speak against that. But that's not what the muslim politicians are planning.
I feel it doesn't matter what they want to use the law for as long as they have pledged that it would not be applied to anyone who does not subscribe to it, and this they seem to have consistently indicated. You seem to know " what the muslim politicians are planning". Perhaps you attend some of their meetings and therefore you are privy to some of their covert plans. |
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shango (m)
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quit being coy Easyy. We have an idea what these sunni moslem politicians are planning from prior experience. Like IBB signing Nigeria up for the United Islamic Nations as if our country is Islamic, and temporary enforcement of Sharia law in certain Northern States. Plus we can see other Nations that have de facto and de juror Sharia Law like Afghanistan and how "Democratic" and "Fair" it is.
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Easyy (m)
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quit being coy Easyy. We have an idea what these sunni moslem politicians are planning from prior experience. Like IBB signing Nigeria up for the United Islamic Nations as if our country is Islamic, and temporary enforcement of Sharia law in certain Northern States. Plus we can see other Nations that have de facto and de juror Sharia Law like Afghanistan and how "Democratic" and "Fair" it is.
You have an idea what they are planning? I don't pre-empt people, I'm not God as well to know what's on a man's mind. Besides, this can only be introduced in their states where the majority of the people want them introduced. |
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عبدالكريم (m)
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You are even more hardcore than the Arabs that founded the religion they inflicted on Black African tribes. Even in Lebanon and Iraq, places where Islam has its roots, do not practice Sharia law, wow, and you are more rustic than americans. what arab claims to have founded islam? how can lebanon and iraq be rooted in islam when they were never islamic states to begin with let alone a state? |
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