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Mr Murdah
If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« on: November 03, 2009, 07:14 AM »

I was going through my archives and it just came to me that Jigga had come a long way.

How tables turn, I remember when he used to rock em Hawaiian shirts and collect flak as Foxxy Brown's boy toy Grin

No doubt, Jay Z is bigger than Hip Hop.

But we all know to well how a what if, story changes the equation.

What if Biggie was still alive.

Would Jay-Z have reached estemmed heights?

Labelled King of New York?

And the best that had ever done it?

I think, NOT.

Let the discussions begin!
frijos (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #1 on: November 03, 2009, 09:23 AM »

@poster, the answer is yes. Because Jay Z is really smart. I don't think BIG  have/will have the kind of abilities Hov has in terms of business and longevity. I'm sure and i don't mean to disrespect the dead but folks wud've been bored of BIG by now but Jay Z is always in tune and remains relevant in today's music.  Cool
ritchboy (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #2 on: November 03, 2009, 10:44 AM »

Frijos
spot on!

"if" biggie didnt die, he'd prolly be selling womens shoes in tampa now Cheesy
frijos (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #3 on: November 03, 2009, 03:44 PM »

lwkmd!!!!
hustla (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #4 on: November 03, 2009, 03:58 PM »

Omo na say jay Z go join illuminati or else he wouuldnt have really achieved like that, but come on, that dude is streetwise,
omar22 (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #5 on: November 03, 2009, 04:38 PM »

Jay Z is only big because of his clothing empire and not because of his rap skills


None of his Album has yet to out sell BIG or Tupac's Album


I would pick DMX ahead of him when it comes to rapping
frijos (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #6 on: November 03, 2009, 05:23 PM »

Big is special, 2pac is important, Jay Z is both!  Cool
vanhelsing (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #7 on: November 04, 2009, 11:00 AM »

Quote from: omar22 on November 03, 2009, 04:38 PM
Jay Z is only big because of his clothing empire and not because of his rap skills


None of his Album has yet to out sell BIG or Tupac's Album


I would pick DMX ahead of him when it comes to rapping

u is a joker dude, would pick eedris abdulkarim over DMX.
omar22 (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #8 on: November 04, 2009, 01:55 PM »

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u is a joker dude, would pick eedris abdulkarim over DMX.


Reasonable Doubt (1996) - 1.5 million copies
In My Lifetime, Vol. 1 (1997) - 1.2 million copies
Vol. 2,  Hard Knock Life (1998) - Huh
Vol. 3,  Life and Times of S. Carter (1999) - 3 million copies
The Dynasty: Roc La Familia (2000) - 2.3 million copies
The Blueprint (2001) - 2 million copies
The Blueprint²: The Gift & the Curse (2002) - 2.7 million copies
The Black Album (2003) - 2.2 Million copies
Kingdom Come (2006) - 0.9 Million copies
American Gangster (2007) - 1 million copies
The Blueprint 3 (2009) - Huh?


11 albums,  less than 30m albums


Tupac Amaru Shakur (June 16, 1971 – September 13, 1996), also known by his stage names 2Pac (or simply Pac) and Makaveli, was an American rapper. He has sold 75 million albums to date and is one of the best-selling music artists in the world.[3]


Notorious BIG
Ready to Die  - Over 3million copies
Live after death - Over 5 million copies


DMX
He is the 5th best-selling rapper, with over 30 million units sold.


Eminem has sold more than 80 million albums worldwide,[3] and worldwide is the best selling music artist of the 2000s.[4] Eminem is also ranked in the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time by Rolling Stone magazine.[5] He was also named the Best Rapper Ever By Vibe Magazine.[6]









phatwall
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #9 on: November 04, 2009, 02:22 PM »

in terms of rap skills i dont see anyone in the game,dead or alive that can out spit jigga when he has his game face on,they maybe on the same level,but not better than hov.
jay z is every rappers rapper,he is a picture of what every mc wants to be,a good rapper,grammy award winner(not to mention a whole bunch o' other awards),married to the hottest chick in the game(faith evans reach beyonce level?) street smart,hustler and ofcourse loads of money!!!!!

u can tell the success of a man by looking @ the people around him,he put beans on,bleek,free,young gunz,amil,camron had his only platinum album under the roc,and these are just lesser of jiggas boys am mentioning,lets go into the kanye west,rihanna,ne yo,rick ross,young jeezy and the rest of the heavyweights jigga has put in the game, who in biggies camp is doing good now? who in 2pacs camp is doing good now?ask urself.

if biggie was alive jigga would have signed him by now just like he did nas or fif signed mobb deep.afterall other great mc's are still alive and jigga pass all of them,krs one,rakim and the likes.

JAY Z IS THE GREATEST,I REPEAT GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME.

PEACE OUT!!!!
vanhelsing (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #10 on: November 04, 2009, 03:07 PM »

Tell 'em,
frijos (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #11 on: November 04, 2009, 04:01 PM »

The greatest rapper ever lived is Jay Z.  Smiley
omar22 (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #12 on: November 05, 2009, 12:25 AM »

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if biggie was alive jigga would have signed him by now just like he did nas or fif signed mobb deep.afterall other great mc's are still alive and jigga pass all of them,krs one,rakim and the likes.


YOU  just showed your knowledge on rap music, your new to rap music!!!

If the Notorious BIG was alive their would be NO JAY Z, forgetting that Puff Daddy produce his second album that went platium, by then the Late BIG was still out selling Jay Z,

They are not in the same Class!!!
MrCrackles (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #13 on: November 05, 2009, 12:26 AM »

Poster
Who crowned JayZ Huh
mr_me_too
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #14 on: November 05, 2009, 01:51 AM »

R u guys kidding? Jay-Z would be praising God or woteva he believes in secretly that Biggie died. Jay-Z used Biggie's lines to get where he is, to the extent that Nas had to call him out on it. Go listen's Biggie's albums and flows, the guy is still fresh to date. Go listen to songs they were both on 2gether and see who always came out on top. Jay-Z has just had time to evolve and develop his skills over time, time Biggie didn't have. Then "Life After Death" was certified diamond meaning over 10mil copies cos I saw someone wrote down 5mil
Krayola (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #15 on: November 05, 2009, 03:06 AM »

KING!! I miss u like crazy!!


* king.jpg (28.33 KB, 400x443 )
omar22 (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #16 on: November 05, 2009, 08:09 AM »

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Then "Life After Death" was certified diamond meaning over 10mil copies cos I saw someone wrote down 5mil


I agree it sold 5m in America alone in its first year, but we have some JJC into the rap world on Nairaland, throughout the 90's who was Jay Z when we have the likes BIG, 2PAC, DMX, NAS, Missy, Foxy Brown, Lil Kim, Eric Sermon, Keith Murray, Wu Tan Clan, Snoop Dog, Dr Dre, Ice Cube etc,

It got to a period when Jay Z was releasing albums every year, it was shocking,
H.J (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #17 on: November 05, 2009, 08:19 AM »

Quote from: omar22 on November 04, 2009, 01:55 PM

Reasonable Doubt (1996) - 1.5 million copies
In My Lifetime, Vol. 1 (1997) - 1.2 million copies
Vol. 2,  Hard Knock Life (1998) - Huh
Vol. 3,  Life and Times of S. Carter (1999) - 3 million copies
The Dynasty: Roc La Familia (2000) - 2.3 million copies
The Blueprint (2001) - 2 million copies
The Blueprint²: The Gift & the Curse (2002) - 2.7 million copies
The Black Album (2003) - 2.2 Million copies
Kingdom Come (2006) - 0.9 Million copies
American Gangster (2007) - 1 million copies
The Blueprint 3 (2009) - Huh?


11 albums,  less than 30m albums


Tupac Amaru Shakur (June 16, 1971 – September 13, 1996), also known by his stage names 2Pac (or simply Pac) and Makaveli, was an American rapper. He has sold 75 million albums to date and is one of the best-selling music artists in the world.[3]


Notorious BIG
Ready to Die  - Over 3million copies
Live after death - Over 5 million copies


DMX
He is the 5th best-selling rapper, with over 30 million units sold.


Eminem has sold more than 80 million albums worldwide,[3] and worldwide is the best selling music artist of the 2000s.[4] Eminem is also ranked in the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time by Rolling Stone magazine.[5] He was also named the Best Rapper Ever By Vibe Magazine.[6]












nigga why u bringin out fake figures, go to wikipedia or hiphop dx and check jigga's album sales, so  pls n pls stop sayin stuff u dont know wen it comes to his record sales


Reasonable Doubt (1996) - 1.5 million copies
In My Lifetime, Vol. 1 (1997) - 3 million copies
Vol. 2,  Hard Knock Life (1998) - 5 miillion
Vol. 3,  Life and Times of S. Carter (1999) - 3 million copies
The Dynasty: Roc La Familia (2000) - 2 million copies
The Blueprint (2001) - 2 million copies
The Blueprint²: The Gift & the Curse (2002) - 4 million copies
The Black Album (2003) - 4 Million copies
Kingdom Come (2006) - 1.5 Million copies
American Gangster (2007) - 1.6 million copies
The Blueprint 3 (2009) - 1.2 million so far
ritchboy (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #18 on: November 05, 2009, 09:00 AM »

"i dont run rap no more i run the map"
omar22 (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #19 on: November 05, 2009, 12:24 PM »

@HJ - In My Lifetime, Vol. 1 is the second studio album by American rapper Jay-Z, released on November 4, 1997. The album received positive reviews from critics but fans were not embracing Jay-Z's commercialized new image.  The album features a much more pop oriented sound than his debut release Reasonable Doubt and went on to receive a Platinum certification from the RIAA, selling more than 1.2 million copies in the U.S.

Producers for Reasonable Doubt such as DJ Premier and Ski contribute to a limited number of beats on this album, though the majority of the production is handled by beatmakers from Puff Daddy's Bad Boy label, giving the album a generally glossier sound than its predecessor. It displayed a shift from the mafioso rap themes of his first effort to the so called "jiggy" era of late 90's hip-hop, often credited to videos and albums from Puff Daddy and his Bad Boy record label's roster of artists including Notorious B.I.G. (the first two singles from his second album were both huge pop hits) and Mase.


The Blueprint²: The Gift & The Curse
  Never sold 3m let alone 4m

The Black Album

You know what forget
frijos (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #20 on: November 05, 2009, 01:55 PM »

lol
craziest
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #21 on: November 05, 2009, 03:11 PM »

Another silly comparison. who is JIGGA or Jay Z whatever u call him. If BIGGER was alive Jigga would have been cleaning his shoes and doing a backstage singer for BIG.

WHAt  Jay Z biggest rapper ever. SILLY SHIT. Where u come put tupac shakur. Look at thier short music life and the impact they made. jay z is very good no doubt for me i was not near BIG, 2PAC and other Gs rappers. Full stop
Vuitton (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #22 on: November 05, 2009, 03:35 PM »

Jay Z has sold more than 60million albums worldwide  Undecided
craziest
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #23 on: November 05, 2009, 03:41 PM »

Quote from: Vuitton on November 05, 2009, 03:35 PM
Jay Z has sold more than 60million albums worldwide  Undecided

SHIT RUBBISH. That makes him greatest. Thank God i never bought any of those gabbage songs
H.J (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #24 on: November 05, 2009, 04:09 PM »


Quote from: omar22 on November 05, 2009, 12:24 PM
@HJ - In My Lifetime, Vol. 1 is the second studio album by American rapper Jay-Z, released on November 4, 1997. The album received positive reviews from critics but fans were not embracing Jay-Z's commercialized new image.  The album features a much more pop oriented sound than his debut release Reasonable Doubt and went on to receive a Platinum certification from the RIAA, selling more than 1.2 million copies in the U.S.

Producers for Reasonable Doubt such as DJ Premier and Ski contribute to a limited number of beats on this album, though the majority of the production is handled by beatmakers from Puff Daddy's Bad Boy label, giving the album a generally glossier sound than its predecessor. It displayed a shift from the mafioso rap themes of his first effort to the so called "jiggy" era of late 90's hip-hop, often credited to videos and albums from Puff Daddy and his Bad Boy record label's roster of artists including Notorious B.I.G. (the first two singles from his second album were both huge pop hits) and Mase.


The Blueprint²: The Gift & The Curse
  Never sold 3m let alone 4m

The Black Album

You know what forget


i was askin for an album review cos i know in ma lifetime was seen as a very commercial LP wit anoyin tracks like sunshine with babyface and the whole diddy influence in the album cook up.

Like i said wut ever u r lookin for is on his record sales are on wikipedia check jay-z discography.
no more words
H.J (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #25 on: November 05, 2009, 04:15 PM »

well i was kinda wrong on the in my lifetime part but the rest are close to bein very correct here is a link to it to clear out issues

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay-Z_discography
omar22 (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #26 on: November 05, 2009, 04:52 PM »

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Jay Z has sold more than 60million albums worldwide   
 
 

Shawn Corey Carter (born December 4, 1969),[1] better known by his stage name, Jay-Z is an American hip hop artist and businessman. He is one of the most financially successful hip hop artists and entrepreneurs in America,[2] having a net worth of over $150 million,[3] selling over 30 million copies of his albums in and receiving several Grammy Awards for his musical work.[4]
Vuitton (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #27 on: November 05, 2009, 05:04 PM »

Nice link HJ

Reasonable Doubt    * Released: June 25, 1996


    * RIAA Certification: Platinum
    * WW: 1,500,000+

1997    In My Lifetime, Vol. 1


    * RIAA Certification: Platinum
    * WW: 1,000,000+

1998    Vol. 2,  Hard Knock Life


    * CRIA Certification: Platinum
    * RIAA Certification: 5x Platinum
    * WW: 8,000,000+

1999    Vol. 3,  Life and Times of S. Carter


    * CRIA Certification: Gold
    * RIAA Certification: 3x Platinum
    * WW: 4,000,000+

2000    The Dynasty: Roc La Familia


    * RIAA Certification: 2x Platinum
    * WW: 3,000,000+

2001    The Blueprint

    * BPI Certification: Gold
    * CRIA Certification: Platinun
    * RIAA Certification: 2x Platinum
    * WW: 4,000,000+

2002    The Blueprint²: The Gift & the Curse


    * BPI Certification: Gold
    * CRIA Certification: 2x Platinum
    * RIAA Certification: 3x Platinum
    * WW: 5,000,000+

2003    The Black Album


    * BPI Certification: Gold
    * CRIA Certification: Platinum
    * RIAA Certification: 3x Platinum
    * WW: 9,000,000+

2006    Kingdom Come


    * BPI Certification: Silver
    * CRIA Certification: Platinum
    * RIAA Certification: 2x Platinum
    * WW: 3,000,000+

2007    American Gangster


    * BPI Certification: Silver
    * RIAA Certification: Platinum
    * WW: 2,000,000+

2009    The Blueprint 3

    * Release: September 8, 2009
    * Label: Roc Nation/Atlantic Records

   1    1    1    4    

    * BPI Certification: Platinum[6]
    * CRIA Certification: Gold[7]
    * RIAA Certification: Platinum
    * U.S: 1,200,000+
    * WW: 2,000,000+


Hope haters know basic arithmetic cos y'al gotta do some math  Undecided
craziest
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #28 on: November 05, 2009, 05:09 PM »

Quote from: Vuitton on November 05, 2009, 05:04 PM
Nice link HJ

Reasonable Doubt    * Released: June 25, 1996


    * RIAA Certification: Platinum
    * WW: 1,500,000+

1997    In My Lifetime, Vol. 1


    * RIAA Certification: Platinum
    * WW: 1,000,000+

1998    Vol. 2,  Hard Knock Life


    * CRIA Certification: Platinum
    * RIAA Certification: 5x Platinum
    * WW: 8,000,000+

1999    Vol. 3,  Life and Times of S. Carter


    * CRIA Certification: Gold
    * RIAA Certification: 3x Platinum
    * WW: 4,000,000+

2000    The Dynasty: Roc La Familia


    * RIAA Certification: 2x Platinum
    * WW: 3,000,000+

2001    The Blueprint

    * BPI Certification: Gold
    * CRIA Certification: Platinun
    * RIAA Certification: 2x Platinum
    * WW: 4,000,000+

2002    The Blueprint²: The Gift & the Curse


    * BPI Certification: Gold
    * CRIA Certification: 2x Platinum
    * RIAA Certification: 3x Platinum
    * WW: 5,000,000+

2003    The Black Album


    * BPI Certification: Gold
    * CRIA Certification: Platinum
    * RIAA Certification: 3x Platinum
    * WW: 9,000,000+

2006    Kingdom Come


    * BPI Certification: Silver
    * CRIA Certification: Platinum
    * RIAA Certification: 2x Platinum
    * WW: 3,000,000+

2007    American Gangster


    * BPI Certification: Silver
    * RIAA Certification: Platinum
    * WW: 2,000,000+

2009    The Blueprint 3

    * Release: September 8, 2009
    * Label: Roc Nation/Atlantic Records

   1    1    1    4    

    * BPI Certification: Platinum[6]
    * CRIA Certification: Gold[7]
    * RIAA Certification: Platinum
    * U.S: 1,200,000+
    * WW: 2,000,000+


Hope haters know basic arithmetic cos y'al gotta do some math  Undecided

Trash and so what how many years from 1997 till now he sold all that. WHAT IF BIGGIE WAS ALIVE TILL NOW DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY HE WOLUD HAVE SOLD.

HOW MANY YEARS I ASK AND HOW MANY ALBUM THAT GUY SOLD ALL THAT OVER 13YRS

MY B.I.G WAS JUST THERE FOR A FEW YEARS AND LOOK AT THE IMPACT. THINK MAN
Vuitton (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #30 on: November 05, 2009, 05:18 PM »

Quote from: craziest on November 05, 2009, 05:09 PM
Trash and so what how many years from 1997 till now he sold all that. WHAT IF BIGGIE WAS ALIVE TILL NOW DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY HE WOLUD HAVE SOLD.

HOW MANY YEARS I ASK AND HOW MANY ALBUM THAT GUY SOLD ALL THAT OVER 13YRS

MY B.I.G WAS JUST THERE FOR A FEW YEARS AND LOOK AT THE IMPACT. THINK MAN

Dont get it twisted BIG is my top 2 GOAT but nigga dead  Undecided
BUT FUCKK the IF shiit  Tongue

Jay was never signed under any label from day one. . .
He hustled and set up the Roc with two partners!

JAY AND BIG were friends from Bed Stuy, Jay is still and will be forever grateful for that friendship  Cool
Hardballer (m)
Re: If Notorious B.I.G. Was Alive: Would Jay-z Be King?
« #31 on: November 05, 2009, 10:57 PM »

king dunno jay wud  be richer tho
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