Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat

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ezeagu (m)
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #96 on: November 07, 2009, 02:58 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on November 07, 2009, 02:55 AM
I wonder what the children of mixed tribes will do, since everyone is for himself?

Many of them stick with one group, although not all of them.
Onlytruth (m)
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #97 on: November 07, 2009, 05:06 AM »

People talk as if war is the worst thing that can happen to a country or people. Methinks that permanent enslavement of a people is far worse than war. Some of the dignity and respect accorded Igbos in Nigeria today come from the civil war.

Also, sometimes even war (as evil as it is) can bring about the type of transformation that is needed to move a country forward. The truth is that some of the most progressive nations of the world today are creatures of war and conflict. Ojukwu is a man ahead of his peers in terms of vision. It is unfortunate that Nigeria is being led by visionless people. All the people with vision have been schemed out, killed or exiled.
I came across a great quote from Albert Einstein and it accurately captures the Nigerian scenario:

No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.” – Einstein

So, I can understand why some low level, same ol' same, pedestrian, peace at all costs, enslave me don't kill me, business as usual, business unusual, maintain the status quo, don't upturn the apple cart, protect the system apologists would prefer that the Ikemba be hanged, than rise up to defend their votes and freedom! Angry
So, next time, if you don't share in the Ikemba's vision, please move on! Angry
revolt (m)
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #98 on: November 07, 2009, 11:21 AM »

only truth well said ive learnt a lot from that quote its revealing
SapeleGuy
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #99 on: November 07, 2009, 02:07 PM »

"When most of us came back from that war walking on crutches. And he doesn’t even ask  how we are fairing."

This statement illustrates the failure of his  leadership add to that his lining up for pension without making similar representations for biafra veterans plus playing houseboy for abacha. 

Thankfully the political end has come for this megalomaniac.

Onlytruth (m)
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #100 on: November 07, 2009, 11:11 PM »

Quote from: SapeleGuy on November 07, 2009, 02:07 PM
"When most of us came back from that war walking on crutches. And he doesn’t even ask how we are fairing."

This statement illustrates the failure of his leadership add to that his lining up for pension without making similar representations for biafra veterans plus playing houseboy for abacha.

Thankfully the political end has come for this megalomaniac.


I hope you realize that Ojukwu has already attained immortality politically. There is no living (or dead) Nigerian politician who command more followership, admiration, loyalty and trust than Ojukwu, the Ikemba (might of a nation) of Nnewi, the Dikedioramma 1 ( the beloved peoples' warrior-1) of Igboland. Don't take my word for it. Conduct an opinion poll in Igboland and see if you won't get above 90% approval rating of him.

Like I said in my earlier post, the man is ahead of his peers and operates from a higher level of consciousness than those that created Nigeria's problems. It is okay not to see things his way. Just don't smeer the man. Meanwhile, continue "suffering and smiling" Grin
sherrif222
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #101 on: November 07, 2009, 11:23 PM »

@Eziachi you have spoken well

@mrperfect i respect yourbright sense of understanding it is easy to talk but not easy to Reason(you have reasoned well let it be known)

@Mortiple it is good to be criticall inthought keep it up

@ruseellino hmm hmm he who sees a black cat in the night is a member in the god of sight,it is not enough to be personal in issues like this(most especially if u are an igbo man)

@noblezone you have an idea of ojukwus theorem

@citizeny the basis of socio-economic backgound of a people will not be complete without thier socio-political status(men by by nature is a political animal)
@freshmoney  while a child is crying for food in the midle of the night an adult will be busy thinking of the next day

@ben10 every soldier must come from a baracks of his own,alow him fight his own

@ponitail be wise(at least speak for yourself)

@defemz pls leave fast ,i can bet u dont know your village

@Eziachi i repeat myself you have spoken well,he who have eyes let them hear, not all educated folks are reasonable.

SapeleGuy
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #102 on: November 08, 2009, 12:26 AM »

Quote from: Onlytruth on November 07, 2009, 11:11 PM
I hope you realize that Ojukwu has already attained immortality politically. There is no living (or dead) Nigerian politician who command more followership, admiration, loyalty and trust than Ojukwu, the Ikemba (might of a nation) of Nnewi, the Dikedioramma 1 ( the beloved peoples' warrior-1) of Igboland. Don't take my word for it. Conduct an opinion poll in Igboland and see if you won't get above 90% approval rating of him.

Like I said in my earlier post, the man is ahead of his peers and operates from a higher level of consciousness than those that created Nigeria's problems. It is okay not to see things his way. Just don't smeer the man. Meanwhile, continue "suffering and smiling" Grin


Historically significant? Good with words? Yes. Politically Relevant?  Able to corrale the region and gain consensus? The disunity in the region is enough evidence.

Suffering and smiling? We leave that to others who choose to live in the past. As true Niger Deltans say 'we no dey carry last'

Ndipe (m)
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #103 on: November 08, 2009, 02:22 AM »

Quote from: Onlytruth on November 07, 2009, 11:11 PM
I hope you realize that Ojukwu has already attained immortality politically. There is no living (or dead) Nigerian politician who command more followership, admiration, loyalty and trust than Ojukwu, the Ikemba (might of a nation) of Nnewi, the Dikedioramma 1 ( the beloved peoples' warrior-1) of Igboland. Don't take my word for it. Conduct an opinion poll in Igboland and see if you won't get above 90% approval rating of him.

Like I said in my earlier post, the man is ahead of his peers and operates from a higher level of consciousness than those that created Nigeria's problems. It is okay not to see things his way. Just don't smeer the man. Meanwhile, continue "suffering and smiling" Grin


Ojukwu came home from exile, received a heroic welcome, probably unsurpassed in the history of Nigerians in exile, then delved into politics and lost his bid to be a senator to a lesser known politician. How relevant is he in Nigerian politics? Lets be honest, in my opinion, the man weilds little clout in Nigerian politics. 
Onlytruth (m)
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #104 on: November 08, 2009, 07:20 AM »

Quote from: Ndipe on November 08, 2009, 02:22 AM
Ojukwu came home from exile, received a heroic welcome, probably unsurpassed in the history of Nigerians in exile, then delved into politics and lost his bid to be a senator to a lesser known politician. How relevant is he in Nigerian politics? Lets be honest, in my opinion, the man weilds little clout in Nigerian politics.

So where is the guy that "defeated" Ojukwu in that election today? How many people, even in Igboland, know about the guy (Edwin Onwudiwe) today? But anytime Ojukwu has something to say -no matter how trite- the whole nation tunes in.
Really Ojukwu is unparalleled in the Nigerian politics and leadership history. I won't say he is a great politician, but he is a leader of legendary proportions.
The Yoruba has Awolowo, the Hausa/Fulani has Ahmadu Bello, the Igbo has Ojukwu (notice I didn't say Azikiwe). No amount of revisionism can change that fact.
revolt (m)
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #105 on: November 08, 2009, 06:40 PM »

once more only truth has spoken again. meanwhile sapele guy says some r livn in da past suffern n smiln how many battles have taken place in warri. ijaw vs itsekiri, urhobo n co,  olboy stop lyn to urself deep inside u you wish your parents supported biafra then. i hear a lot of peeps say we for even follow biafra during dat war but the north decieved our parents. ive heard peeps say this so stop being biased. OJUKS NA WARRIOR GIVE HIM DA SAME RESPECT WE ACCORD NANA.
viaro
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #106 on: November 09, 2009, 08:11 PM »

But isn't this guy Ojukwu too old for these war and divide games?
Ndipe (m)
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #107 on: November 09, 2009, 09:34 PM »

Quote from: Onlytruth on November 08, 2009, 07:20 AM
So where is the guy that "defeated" Ojukwu in that election today? How many people, even in Igboland, know about the guy (Edwin Onwudiwe) today? But anytime Ojukwu has something to say -no matter how trite- the whole nation tunes in.
Really Ojukwu is unparalleled in the Nigerian politics and leadership history. I won't say he is a great politician, but he is a leader of legendary proportions.
The Yoruba has Awolowo, the Hausa/Fulani has Ahmadu Bello, the Igbo has Ojukwu (notice I didn't say Azikiwe). No amount of revisionism can change that fact.

Maybe he is a rabble rouser.

Onlytruth (m)
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #108 on: November 10, 2009, 01:24 AM »

Quote from: Ndipe on November 09, 2009, 09:34 PM
Maybe he is a rabble rouser.


Rabble rousing is an ingenious security tact if it helps fend off the wolves circling and "casing" your hen house. It still takes great courage to face your enemy that way. Such courage is only found in great leaders. Obviously some people can never understand this line of thinking. It is well.
Edruezzi
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #109 on: Yesterday at 03:54:38 PM »

To start I must note that I’m of Igbo descent, from Anambra State.
I think it’s really sad that Igbo people uncritically look at Ojukuw as their great hero. Let’s review his so-called antecedents.
1.   He singlehandedly maneuvered the Igbo and Nigeria into the war. Aburi gave him more than 90% of what he had wanted, and most of his advisers, including Hilary Njoku, the highest ranking Igbo officer at the time, advised him to accept it. Njoku was initially the commander of the Biafran army. He opposed secession. Ojukuw had him under house arrest until the end of the war for that opposition and for being of higher rank than him.
2.   Ojukwu started planning secession as early as in May 1967. The so-called authorization he got from the consultative assembly was a sham. The decision was already made and the assembly was a rubber stamping body. His argument was that if he could not be president of Nigeria then he would be president of something else. Proof of that is that a man who Nigeria should have tried for treason has run for Nigerian president three times. The fool even collected his pension from the Nigerian army.
3.   There was no genocide plot to wipe out the Igbo after all Igbos had fled from the North in late 1966. Genocide by the way is a difficult task to carry out. Either you build special facilities for it, as the Nazis did, or the two sides have to live in close contact with each other, as in Rwanda. The North had no Auschwitz death camps, and, as I noted, most Igbo had returned to the East and were safe.
4.   Biafra was probably the most underequipped nation to go to war in history. By the latter half of the 20th century the penalties for being the technologically backward side in a war had escalated astronomically. Ojukwu, against the advice of most people in the East with military training still went to war.  Asked about meeting the North again for talks only about three weeks before the start of the war he pompously told Awolowo that the only place he wanted to meet the North was on the battlefield. This was when Biafra had less than two hundred machineguns.
5.   He sent “civilian volunteers” out to meet the Nigerian army near Nsukka in July 1967 armed with only machetes. They were mown down and the survivors fled.
6.   Refused to allow donated food aid from abroad to Biafra overland across Nigerian territory, although Gowon gave a guarantee. His argument was that Nigeria would poison the food. Why poison food when it was clear that you were winning? The Red Cross offered to inspect the food and Ojukwu still declined.
7.   He ran Biafra as a dictatorship. Anyone who got too popular was demoted. Opposition was ruthlessly silenced. Ifeajuna wanted to negotiate with the Federals and got executed for what may have been a fictitious coup plot.
8.   Of course, famously, he ran away. Not many people know that he commandeered a plane meant for the evacuation of sick children to get out of the ruin he created.
9.   The war set the Igbo back by decades. Without Biafra an Igbo man would have been president long ago.
10.   Biafra was founded ostensibly to protect Igbos. Is the proper protection from riots and pogroms in the North exposing the Igbo to the full firepower of wartime while sending out kids to fight with sometimes three bullets each, while cold and hungry?
11.   Joined the NPN, the party of his alleged former Northern enemies, mainly to avoid Zik’s shadow. He had to beat Zik in the contest for Igbo leader.
12.   Igbo people, think.
Edruezzi
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #110 on: Yesterday at 04:07:41 PM »

I’m always amazed at the complete lack of critical thinking when it comes to Ojukwu. The man is no hero, and he is no leader. He’s a ruthless political opportunist. He jerked off the Igbo people with Biafra until he heard Federal artillery and, according to the memoirs of his army commander, Alexander Madiebo, got terrified for the first time and fled, after reducing Igbo to a state where the only place Madiebo could find a cold beer in Biafra was in the statehouse.
Ojukwu has joined political parties out of opportunism. Let’s not forget the shootout his Ikemba front boys engaged in at Nkpor Junction, in 1983, where he is said to have shown up brandishing a pistol in each hand and firing.
Ojukuw has a power complex. Igbos, admit it, or he’ll lead you to death’s door once again. Be glad you had Yakubu Gowon to deal with last time. He made sure the war did not become the massacre some had envisaged once the inevitable Biafra surrender came.
As for the MASSOB clowns, Biafra was unworkable, even on paper. Look at a map. Igboland is landlocked. It didn’t work in 1967 and so it won’t work again. Gowon’s masterstroke of creating 12 states meant that Biafra was doomed from the start. Forget Biafra and work for a Nigerian where we can all get jobs and clean drinking water.
At any rate, his time is past. He is nothing on the greater Nigerian political stage.
bilymuse
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #111 on: Yesterday at 05:46:13 PM »

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I’m always amazed at the complete lack of critical thinking when it comes to Ojukwu. The man is no hero, and he is no leader. He’s a ruthless political opportunist. He jerked off the Igbo people with Biafra until he heard Federal artillery and, according to the memoirs of his army commander, Alexander Madiebo, got terrified for the first time and fled, after reducing Igbo to a state where the only place Madiebo could find a cold beer in Biafra was in the statehouse.
Ojukwu has joined political parties out of opportunism. Let’s not forget the shootout his Ikemba front boys engaged in at Nkpor Junction, in 1983, where he is said to have shown up brandishing a pistol in each hand and firing.
Ojukuw has a power complex. Igbos, admit it, or he’ll lead you to death’s door once again. Be glad you had Yakubu Gowon to deal with last time. He made sure the war did not become the massacre some had envisaged once the inevitable Biafra surrender came.
As for the MASSOB clowns, Biafra was unworkable, even on paper. Look at a map. Igboland is landlocked. It didn’t work in 1967 and so it won’t work again. Gowon’s masterstroke of creating 12 states meant that Biafra was doomed from the start. Forget Biafra and work for a Nigerian where we can all get jobs and clean drinking water.
At any rate, his time is past. He is nothing on the greater Nigerian political stage.

May God continue to bless your wisdom.

Imagine the bald headed coward threatening war, tufiakwa.
Edruezzi
Re: Ex-biafran Soldiers Slam Ojukwu Over War Threat
« #112 on: Today at 03:04:47 PM »

If it can be shown that there was no imminent threat of genocide after the Igbos had fled from the North and much of the rest of the country at the end of 1966 then the old defense that Ojukwu and his circle gave for founding Biafra is invalid.
The fact remains that the killings of Igbo officers and the massacre of Igbos outside the East are the most heinous crimes in Nigerian history. Taking the Igbo people into war completely unprepared was a mistake, however, and a crime as well. Alexander Madiebo’s book about the coups and the war has a remarkable section where he notes that the leadership made sure never to tell the Biafran people that Biafra did not have weapons to fight the war. He said that if the people knew the truth they would call for an end to the war. Secession was folly.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Madiebo and Ojukwu don’t speak. Madiebo painted an unflattering portrait of Ojukwu in his book.
I think the northern elite that has ruled this country for most of the years since 1960 is corrupt and venal. With all that power they have done nothing for the northern people. Northerners continue to be Nigeria’s shoe polishers and mai guard. To waste a million lives in a clearly doomed secession attempt is folly, however. As for the guy on this forum who said war is not the worst thing that can happen to a people, you have to tell us what your idea of something worse than the hell the Igbo went through in 1967-1970 is. You also have to note that the aftermath of a war you lose can be worse than hell as well.
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