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morpheus24
Picture Thread# 1: Khoisan People!
« on: November 04, 2009, 07:51 PM »

The khoi-san are people of southern African extract hypothesized to the be the oldest closet relatives to the earliest human population. They include the khoikhoi and the san peoples.

Their akeen features include pepper corn hair, bronze to light brown skin, eyefolds and lean builds but short in statue


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morpheus24
Re: Picture Thread# 1: Khoisan People!
« #1 on: November 04, 2009, 07:55 PM »

More Khoi. The last man is more of a San tribes man than a khoi but they are related groups.


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morpheus24
Re: Picture Thread# 1: Khoisan People!
« #2 on: November 04, 2009, 08:12 PM »

More Khoi


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beneli (m)
Re: Picture Thread# 1: Khoisan People!
« #3 on: November 09, 2009, 01:08 PM »

There's something almost Chinese about them! One wonders if they're the forefathers of those that supposedly migrated to present day China.

morpheus24
Re: Picture Thread# 1: Khoisan People!
« #4 on: November 09, 2009, 02:16 PM »

Quote from: beneli on November 09, 2009, 01:08 PM
There's something almost Chinese about them! One wonders if they're the forefathers of those that supposedly migrated to present day China.



There is a possibility but not definite. The similarities btw both peoples does not denote a correlation. its like saying some ethiopians look like south asians so they may be the same people. Not necessarily true.

The Khoisan were once aspoused to be under an umbrella of "capoid" races of the south vs Congoid races of central Africa as a way of distinguishing the two African group but this stance has been abandoned by most anthropologists as there is an obvious racial overtone in the groupings.

Unbeknownst to many. Africans are the most diverse of all living human populations and contain many looks as what many may coin as negroid, caucasoid or mongoloid features without any necessary ad mixture of peoples from outside the continent.
beneli (m)
Re: Picture Thread# 1: Khoisan People!
« #5 on: November 09, 2009, 02:44 PM »

Quote from: morpheus24 on November 09, 2009, 02:16 PM
There is a possibility but not definite. They are full blooded Africans and their ancestors may have looked much harsher than what they appear to be today.

They were once aspoused to be under an umbrella of "capoid" peoples vs Congoid peoples as a way of seperating the huge Diversity of Africans but this stance has been abandoned by most anthropologists as there is an obvious racial overtone in the groupings.

Unbeknownst to many. Africans are the most diverse of all living human populations and contain many looks as what many may coin as negroid, caucasoid or mongoloid features without any necessary ad mixture of peoples from outside the continent.

This is very interesting. The other day, on a programme about mixed race people and the 'benefits' of gene heterogenity, which is supposed to be one of the advantages of being mixed race, they mentioned something like that and talked about how the genes of Africans are actually almost as heterogenous as that of one of the subjects who happened to be of Nigerian-'English' heritage. Those of the other subjects, two 'English'men, and an Indian were less so. They suggested that a fifth subject, a mix of Indian-'English' heritage would also be less heterogenous than the Nigerian-English person.

What's your take on this degree of gene heterogenity among Africans as compared to others?  The suggestions, obviously is that biologically, we are different. I know that some racist 'scientists' hint, albeit subtlely, that an explanation is that we are like the 'stem' pool for other 'races'-just like stem cells in biology have the capability of growing into different organs-and are supposedly therefore less 'evolved'! Certainly not flattering, i say!
 
morpheus24
Re: Picture Thread# 1: Khoisan People!
« #6 on: November 09, 2009, 03:00 PM »

Quote from: beneli on November 09, 2009, 02:44 PM
This is very interesting. The other day, on a programme about mixed race people and the 'benefits' of gene heterogenity, which is supposed to be one of the advantages of being mixed race, they mentioned something like that and talked about how the genes of Africans are actually almost as heterogenous as that of one of the subjects who happened to be of Nigerian-'English' heritage. Those of the other subjects, two 'English'men, and an Indian were less so. They suggested that a fifth subject, a mix of Indian-'English' heritage would also be less heterogenous than the Nigerian-English person.

What's your take on this degree of gene heterogenity among Africans as compared to others?  The suggestions, obviously is that biologically, we are different. I know that some racist 'scientists' hint, albeit subtlely, that an explanation is that we are like the 'stem' pool for other 'races'-just like stem cells in biology have the capability of growing into different organs-and are supposedly therefore less 'evolved'! Certainly not flattering, i say!
 

The scientists are actually correct in saying it is most likely that we are the the stem pool of other Human populations. Its called the greatest cluster of diversity hypothesis, which means the more diverse a given population is genetically the greater the possibility that they were the first to arise and give better to other populations.

Genetically speaking two Africans can be very different compared to two english men as the example you stated says. So I am in agreement because the evidence suggests such.

This is the reason why I do not adhere to certain depictions of Africans as a certain type also known as the "true negro" theory. If our ancestors were the first then it means we carry a higher variety of genes that can be expressed in different phenotypical variations as is already evident within African in comparison to other peoples.

beneli (m)
Re: Picture Thread# 1: Khoisan People!
« #7 on: November 09, 2009, 03:25 PM »

Thanks for that. I am not sure whether this whole 'greater cluster hypothesis' thing is actually a good thing for the African. In terms of racial politics, that is. The thought of it is certainly not making me feel exhilirated!

What would be your arguement (or defence) against those who would say that the evidence points towards the African being less evolved biologically and socially than their less heterogenous cousins? I am especially sceptical about the fact that this 'evidence' shows the European to be the least homogenous, especially given the political nature of the science of race, its antecedents and some of the inferences (yes, i am mindful of the fact that you don't like inferences!) one can easily make from these findings. Wasn't it something like this, but portrayed differently, that laid the foundation for eugenics?

morpheus24
Re: Picture Thread# 1: Khoisan People!
« #8 on: November 09, 2009, 08:29 PM »

Quote from: beneli on November 09, 2009, 03:25 PM
Thanks for that. I am not sure whether this whole 'greater cluster hypothesis' thing is actually a good thing for the African. In terms of racial politics, that is. The thought of it is certainly not making me feel exhilirated!

What would be your arguement (or defence) against those who would say that the evidence points towards the African being less evolved biologically and socially than their less heterogenous cousins? I am especially sceptical about the fact that this 'evidence' shows the European to be the least homogenous, especially given the political nature of the science of race, its antecedents and some of the inferences (yes, i am mindful of the fact that you don't like inferences!) one can easily make from these findings. Wasn't it something like this, but portrayed differently, that laid the foundation for eugenics?


The hypothesis actually does good in dispelling the nonsense about Africans being different from other Humans and being heterogenous genetically is actually a plus for Africans. Genes change or "mutate'. the more the variety or incidence of diversification of genes in Africa it translates to  ancestors of Africans having lived longer than the emergence of other Human populations(notice I do not use the term "race" as this is arbituary for me when defining human beings.)

 It only proves that it was a subset of  early Africans who migrated out of Africa to populate the rest of the world because the gene makeup for others outside of the continent are much younger.

To your second question. Africans are not less involved biologically. We together with other groups are biologically 99.95% the same in gene sequence. We are no more less "evovled" than other groups contrary to past studies.

The advent of Eugenics was based on Bias and pseudo scientific inferences and today becaue of The human genome project we now understand our place in the "evolution" of Human beings.

Do not mistake Phenotypical adaptations(which pseudo science and eugenics were heavily based on) which account for very small changes in our gene makeup to genotypically changes which amount for other functions and have less to to with our outwardly appearance.
MandingoII (m)
Re: Picture Thread# 1: Khoisan People!
« #9 on: November 09, 2009, 09:59 PM »

Yup!

That dragqueen South African runner have khoisan blood Grin
morpheus24
Re: Picture Thread# 1: Khoisan People!
« #10 on: November 09, 2009, 10:16 PM »

Quote from: MandingoII on November 09, 2009, 09:59 PM
Yup!

That dragqueen South African runner have khoisan blood Grin

She'd have to do a DNA test to confirm that but I would hypothesis Zulu's as the most least likely to have connections to the Khoisan compared to colored groups on the coast of AFrican or other Coastal tribes such as the Xhosa!
beneli (m)
Re: Picture Thread# 1: Khoisan People!
« #11 on: November 10, 2009, 10:45 AM »

Quote from: morpheus24 on November 09, 2009, 08:29 PM
The hypothesis actually does good in dispelling the nonsense about Africans being different from other Humans and being heterogenous genetically is actually a plus for Africans. Genes change or "mutate'. the more the variety or incidence of diversification of genes in Africa it translates to ancestors of Africans having lived longer than the emergence of other Human populations(notice I do not use the term "race" as this is arbituary for me when defining human beings.)

 It only proves that it was a subset of early Africans who migrated out of Africa to populate the rest of the world because the gene makeup for others outside of the continent are much younger.

To your second question. Africans are not less involved biologically. We together with other groups are biologically 99.95% the same in gene sequence. We are no more less "evovled" than other groups contrary to past studies.

The advent of Eugenics was based on Bias and pseudo scientific inferences and today becaue of The human genome project we now understand our place in the "evolution" of Human beings.

Do not mistake Phenotypical adaptations(which pseudo science and eugenics were heavily based on) which account for very small changes in our gene makeup to genotypically changes which amount for other functions and have less to to with our outwardly appearance.

Thanks!
Bishopking
Re: Picture Thread# 1: Khoisan People!
« #12 on: November 10, 2009, 11:34 AM »

contrary to the believe (that may be inferred) that Africans are the least evolved, in fact, the opposite is more 'reasonable'

If a handful of people left Eastern Africa many thousands years ago, as now accepted theoretically, then those that stayed behind (even at that time may be diverse genetically) must have evolved more significantly since the 'momentum' for human evolution is gigantic in africa. This might explain the reason for homogeneity being high in other places outside of africa. Greater 'evolution' should encourage diversity not homogenity! There is wide physical and genetic evidence of this in africa. A stem cell seems homogeneous but every part of the body can be gotten from it!

Industrial revolution has made the european people appear more intelligent (and springing of 'greater evolution' belief as a result). This is a superficial situation created because of necessity. Their intelligence in reality is not any higher. It is just like saying that Nigerian are more intelligent than the rest of west africans. This is not the case, our environment has made it necessary that we compete for every opportunity. Things are no longer the way it used to be. We therefore need to acquire new skills or sharpen old ones.

Among human population, greater evolution should be gotten on the continent of africa. If the people that left africa years ago were actually these people of SA, then there genes must be relatively different. The extent in the difference depends on their food, change in environmental forces, and other things
morpheus24
Re: Picture Thread# 1: Khoisan People!
« #13 on: November 10, 2009, 02:16 PM »

Quote from: Bishopking on November 10, 2009, 11:34 AM
contrary to the believe (that may be inferred) that Africans are the least evolved, in fact, the opposite is more 'reasonable'

If a handful of people left Eastern Africa many thousands years ago, as now accepted theoretically, then those that stayed behind (even at that time may be diverse genetically) must have evolved more significantly since the 'momentum' for human evolution is gigantic in africa. This might explain the reason for homogeneity being high in other places outside of africa. Greater 'evolution' should encourage diversity not homogenity! There is wide physical and genetic evidence of this in africa. A stem cell seems homogeneous but every part of the body can be gotten from it!

Industrial revolution has made the european people appear more intelligent (and springing of 'greater evolution' belief as a result). This is a superficial situation created because of necessity. Their intelligence in reality is not any higher. It is just like saying that Nigerian are more intelligent than the rest of west africans. This is not the case, our environment has made it necessary that we compete for every opportunity. Things are no longer the way it used to be. We therefore need to acquire new skills or sharpen old ones.

Among human population, greater evolution should be gotten on the continent of africa. If the people that left africa years ago were actually these people of SA, then there genes must be relatively different. The extent in the difference depends on their food, change in environmental forces, and other things

Concur!!!
paddy_lo (m)
Re: Picture Thread# 1: Khoisan People!
« #14 on: November 18, 2009, 04:46 AM »

yea they are the forebearers of all humans,saw a documentary on national geographic that traced all humans alive at one point in the beginning to just a handful of khoisan bushmen ppl numbering abt 2000 or less,these ppl managed to survive and populate the earth u can see from their eyes and skin that can turn dark or light and high cheekbones how they have all the races in the world present in them
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