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azorjiu (m)
More Oil Workers Seized
« on: January 10, 2007, 06:29 PM »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6247237.stm

What is the boundary between militancy and criminality?

Last week, it was chineese telecom engineers.
In future, they will capture our grand mothers.

It's one too many!!!
McKren (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #1 on: January 10, 2007, 06:46 PM »

This is no longer a struggle this has become pure criminality and the Nigerian army should do something about it.

Today PM News reported that the body of one of the Navy officers kidnapped the other day was found. Is that not an act of war against the Nigerian state?
We all know that our Government is not doing any better either but nothing can be achieved in the midst of lawlessness. If they are fighting for neglect they should start from their Local Government Chaimen and State Government officials and ebsure accountability. Then they can justifiably say they are being marginalised by Nigeria.

As long as they refuse to do that and resort to kidnapping white men for ransom then they are criminals who are exploiting the misfortune of every Nigerian to enrich themselves yet bringing insecurity to their own land.
The huge ransome they collect have they used it to do any people oriented project either? all they do is buy more sophisticated amunitions.

They are criminals and should be treated as such.
Afam (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #2 on: January 10, 2007, 06:53 PM »

These guys are simply engaged in a new business - hostage taking/kidnapping.

I don't know why the president will allow this to stand.

Killing an armed forces personnel is enough reason to deal with these people and the they know them because the government of the day funded them, armed them, used them and then dumped them after winning elections.

Now, they need to use the arms one way or the way and the result is what we see these days in the ND.
azorjiu (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #3 on: January 10, 2007, 07:06 PM »

I'm just wondering if we could all march to the creeks of the delta to smoke these guys out. They are no longer fighting for the people of Nigeria delta. They have turned into armed robbers.

Seems we've got a weak government here. Why can't obj use the military to save us this national disgrace?
McKren (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #4 on: January 10, 2007, 07:15 PM »

The problem is not the sophistication of the army but the tactics used by these guys. No Army of the world have defeated a group using Gorilla tactics and that is the problem.
Before that war can be won they need to isolate the criminals from local people. And how will that happen when the ordinary people don't believe in the Government of the day?.

Army should infiltrate the ranks of those militants with double agents who will leak vital info about the activities of those guys and who is who. What a shame DMI has not even bugged there phones even these days that it is so easy to tap people's mobile phones. With that they will be better prepared to carry out periodic rades in that region so as to bring those guys to book.

But let the truth be said there is need for responsible leadership, otherwise the local people will continue to confuse those thieves for heroes.
ono (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #5 on: January 11, 2007, 08:25 AM »

Truth be told, thieves and rogues have hijacked our struggles for emancipation. I understand some of them are even from the South East and South Western part of the country! The atmosphere in the delta is rife with fear and intimidation of these shameless elements.

But a large chunk of the blames go to the leadership of this country. They promised to address the problems of the area without really doing that. They just pay lip service to them.  A case in point is the East-West road. I kept bringing up this particluar road because of its strategic importance to the Niger Delta area. Recently the FG promised to see to it that the road is dualised before the end of the current administration. But alas! all I see is the sign posts showing that Julius Berger and Setraco has been awarded the contract and nothing more.

Let the FG fulfil their part of bringing meaningful development to the place, and lets see if this hostage taking wahala will not stop.
McKren (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #6 on: January 11, 2007, 10:43 AM »

Quote from: ono on January 11, 2007, 08:25 AM
Truth be told, thieves and rogues have hijacked our struggles for emancipation. I understand some of them are even from the South East and South Western part of the country! The atmosphere in the delta is rife with fear and intimidation of these shameless elements.

But a large chunk of the blames go to the leadership of this country. They promised to address the problems of the area without really doing that. They just pay lip service to them.  A case in point is the East-West road. I kept bringing up this particluar road because of its strategic importance to the Niger Delta area. Recently the FG promised to see to it that the road is dualised before the end of the current administration. But alas! all I see is the sign posts showing that Julius Berger and Setraco has been awarded the contract and nothing more.

Let the FG fulfil their part of bringing meaningful development to the place, and lets see if this hostage taking wahala will not stop.

Better go an advice your brothers to find something doing. you want local control of resources and will not go to school. Nobody has hijacked nothing the average Niger-Deltan is naturally lazy.
Afam (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #7 on: January 11, 2007, 10:52 AM »

Quote from: ono on January 11, 2007, 08:25 AM
Truth be told, thieves and rogues have hijacked our struggles for emancipation. I understand some of them are even from the South East and South Western part of the country! The atmosphere in the delta is rife with fear and intimidation of these shameless elements.

You understand that South Easterners and Westerners are now part of the hostage takers/kidnappers? Where are you getting your information from? The hostage takers or friends?

Quote from: ono on January 11, 2007, 08:25 AM
Let the FG fulfil their part of bringing meaningful development to the place, and lets see if this hostage taking wahala will not stop.

Why the FG? Do you know how much your governors have stolen, stashed abroad, looted and squandered that could have brought massive changes in the region?

Don't worry, keep blaming the FG while the corrupt governors looting money meant for development will shout resource control while rearranging their finances with your money.
ono (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #8 on: January 11, 2007, 11:13 AM »

Quote from: Afam on January 11, 2007, 10:52 AM
You understand that South Easterners and Westerners are now part of the hostage takers/kidnappers? Where are you getting your information from? The hostage takers or friends?

Why the FG? Do you know how much your governors have stolen, stashed abroad, looted and squandered that could have brought massive changes in the region?

Don't worry, keep blaming the FG while the corrupt governors looting money meant for development will shout resource control while rearranging their finances with your money.


Quote from: McKren on January 11, 2007, 10:43 AM
Better go an advice your brothers to find something doing. you want local control of resources and will not go to school. Nobody has hijacked nothing the average Niger-Deltan is naturally lazy.


Afam,
The much the press wants everyone to know is that they are Niger Delta militants, abi? Now, Ondo and Abia states are from the South West and South East; right? Infact the South East cried foul when Imo and Abia states were not included as beneficiary in the largesse from the FG on recruitment into the Nigerian Armed forces.

But no one will believe that Igbos and Yorubas are also militants. Everyone thinks it's the Ijaws only. Well we know the Niger Delta is home to many ethnic groups other than the Ijaws. But that's by the way. The source of my information will be kept close to myself only.


Mckren,
I don't think I'll want to start another ''Niger Delta palaver'' thread here. There are several of them in here already. Check them out and you'll get solid write up to counter your claims about the Niger Delta people.

I know people like Odili are a disgrace to the Niger Delta people. But we also have one of the best governors in the country: Donald Duke. Does that name ring a bell at all? Besides, who told you other state governors are better than those of the Niger Delta states?
McKren (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #9 on: January 11, 2007, 11:34 AM »

Nobody is arguing those with you, I personally wish Duke is my Governor. I tell you what I had tears flowing from my eyes on December 15th when I learnt of Dukes withdrawal from the presidential race.

I don't need write up to know about the Niger-Deltans because I should be one. I was born in PH and lived there for 20years

What I got angry with you is trying to suggest that peope of south east or south west have hijacked the hostage takings in the creeks. I personally grew up in PH and I know quite well that a mafia gang organised  by the riverine man will not be confortable with the Ikwere or Etche people in its fold let alone suggesting that people as far as south east or south west have taken over. Most of the hostage taking today are perpetrated by the Ijaws.

Afam (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #10 on: January 11, 2007, 11:41 AM »

Quote from: ono on January 11, 2007, 11:13 AM
Afam,
The much the press wants everyone to know is that they are Niger Delta militants, abi? Now, Ondo and Abia states are from the South West and South East; right? Infact the South East cried foul when Imo and Abia states were not included as beneficiary in the largesse from the FG on recruitment into the Nigerian Armed forces.

But no one will believe that Igbos and Yorubas are also militants. Everyone thinks it's the Ijaws only. Well we know the Niger Delta is home to many ethnic groups other than the Ijaws. But that's by the way. The source of my information will be kept close to myself only.

The Niger Delta region based on crude oil is made up of 9 states (6 SS, 2 SE and 1 SW), I am clear on that.

I am surprised that you are involving the SE and SW in kidnappings taking place in the Niger Delta States like Rivers State, doesn't make sense.

There are criminals everywhere but trying to spread the blame because the issue is kidnapping or hostage taking isn't proper.
ono (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #11 on: January 11, 2007, 11:48 AM »

Kidnappers; Hostage-Takers; Youths; Militants; Ijaws;, Niger Delta,

I guess I'll need Davidylan to really tell me what all those words up there really means. Grin
Mamajama (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #12 on: January 11, 2007, 02:12 PM »

JUJU is working on MR president, all we need to solve this issue is send non English speaking mobile police to Niger Delta, and I guarantee you we won't here from this people ever again.
azorjiu (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #13 on: January 12, 2007, 06:35 PM »

Emerging report has it that 5 more chineese have been abducted. Na waoooooo
azorjiu (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #14 on: January 17, 2007, 12:57 AM »

war in the delta

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6269351.stm

The spate of insecurity in the niger delta calls for a declaration of a state of emergency in the region. There is no doubt some guys are out to destabilize 9jiria.

Who won't support a military action in times like this?
otokx (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #15 on: January 17, 2007, 02:20 PM »

What can I say? What can I say? Trading blames and buck passing will not solve anything. The Government - civilian or military must wake up to their responsibilities of providing basic infrastructure in the entire country and especially the niger delta region. Dualising the east - west road is not asking too much.
stranger12
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #16 on: January 17, 2007, 02:34 PM »

negotiating with hostage takers should be made illegal.

all it takes to be a hostage taker is superior fire power, if its not a lucrative business the youths wont be involved in it.

azorjiu (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #17 on: January 21, 2007, 11:36 AM »

This situation is not only worrisome, but also embarrassing.

How long shall this continue unabated?
What gains are being derived except the stuffing of some individual's pockets with dollars.

Here's the update http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6283483.stm

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Foreign workers seized in Nigeria
Militants in Nigeria's Niger Delta - file photo

Attacks by militants on Nigeria's oil industry have escalated
Six Filipino workers have been kidnapped from a cargo ship in Nigeria's oil-rich Niger Delta region, security sources say.

They say the six were seized as the ship headed to the port of Warri.

Militants seeking a greater share of the region's oil wealth have been targeting foreign oil facilities and their workers since early 2006.

Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo has denounced the spate of kidnappings as the work of criminals.

In recent months attacks by the militants have escalated, causing oil multinationals to evacuate thousands of workers from the western side of the region.

Five Chinese telecommunications engineers were released on Thursday after being kidnapped from the Niger Delta region on 5 January.

The instability in the region has cut Nigeria's oil production by at least 20%, costing the country some $4.4bn (£2.2bn) last year, according to the government.
otanaworld
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #18 on: January 22, 2007, 01:56 PM »

I wonder why some of you are just sentmental about the happenings in the Niger Delta,  ask yourself what has the FG done since the inauguration of the presidential committee to solve the Niger Delta problem rather than the police and army recruitments (only into lower cadres).

The boys are demanding for development of the area which require taking a drastic action. They are also saying why should their former government be kept in custody while others like him of Plateau and Ekiti states alleged of the same offence are not fished out.

GIVE THEM RESOURCES CONTROL SINCE YOU CANNOT GIVE THEM ordinary 25% REVENUE DERIVATION AS DEMANDED AT THE CONSTITUTIONAL REFORM CONFERENCE or stop taking their oil and SEE WHETHER THEY WILL NOT STOP THE UNREST.

ALL THE MONIES 'THEY' ARE USING TO BRIBE OR APPEACE THE gods Kidnapping these oil workers NOW AND THE BILLIONS LOST LAST YEAR DUE TO THE UNREST, WOULDN'T HALF OF THAT HAD BROUGHT VISIBLE INFRASTRUCTURAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE REGION?.

YOU ARE ASKING THE FG TO SEND TROOPS TO WIPE THE PEOPLE SO YOU CAN HAVE A FREE HAND TO STEAL MORE THEIR RESOURCES. REMEMBER, YOU CAN NOT KILL THE gods, they are just SPIRITS.
McKren (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #19 on: January 22, 2007, 04:11 PM »

Quote from: otanaworld on January 22, 2007, 01:56 PM
I wonder why some of you are just sentmental about the happenings in the Niger Delta, ask yourself what has the FG done since the inauguration of the presidential committee to solve the Niger Delta problem rather than the police and army recruitments (only into lower cadres).

The boys are demanding for development of the area which require taking a drastic action. They are also saying why should their former government be kept in custody while others like him of Plateau and Ekiti states alleged of the same offence are not fished out.

GIVE THEM RESOURCES CONTROL SINCE YOU CANNOT GIVE THEM ordinary 25% REVENUE DERIVATION AS DEMANDED AT THE CONSTITUTIONAL REFORM CONFERENCE or stop taking their oil and SEE WHETHER THEY WILL NOT STOP THE UNREST.

ALL THE MONIES 'THEY' ARE USING TO BRIBE OR APPEACE THE gods Kidnapping these oil workers NOW AND THE BILLIONS LOST LAST YEAR DUE TO THE UNREST, WOULDN'T HALF OF THAT HAD BROUGHT VISIBLE INFRASTRUCTURAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE REGION?.

 YOU ARE ASKING THE FG TO SEND TROOPS TO WIPE THE PEOPLE SO YOU CAN HAVE A FREE HAND TO STEAL MORE THEIR RESOURCES. REMEMBER, YOU CAN NOT KILL THE gods, they are just SPIRITS.

Which gods?HuhHuhHuh?? thieves are kidnapping people you are talking about the gods.
What has your LGA chairmen and State Governors been doing with your allocation, that is where you guys need to start and not foreign oil workers. You guys are only kidnapping foriegn workers for the ransome nothing else.

It is a criminal act period.
otanaworld
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #20 on: January 23, 2007, 12:59 PM »

McKren,

You are mentioning the LGA chairmen & Governors, who single handedly put them there? Did you hear there was real election in those places before the people can call them to be accountability? Who are the ones sharing the oil blocks as gifts among themselves. who are the ones allocating oil jobs to their brothers and sisters who some didn't even read oil related courses while the people don't have job. Are there no probe institutions in the country to bring those erring government officials to justice? why was the 25% or even 50% be difficult for anybody who believes in one Nigeria to give to the people of Niger Delta.

If you don't want to accept these facts ,  go can go on challenging the spirits of the gods operating now in the Niger Delta. I tell you the gods are angry! And its too late.
ono (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #21 on: January 23, 2007, 01:13 PM »

Otanaworld has brought in a completely different dimension to the happenings in the Delta. gods! How on earth is that possible? Well, if you know those gods, please tell them not to relent in their efforts at wiping out the evil men roaming our lands.

We need these gods to wipe out our tears and bring succour to the needy in the Delta.

But there's one solid point you have raised: That the present crop of Governors and LG Chairmen, senators, etc were really not elected by our people. They were handpicked by the powers that be in Abuja. The only state in the Niger Delta where I believe elections really took place is in Cross Rivers state, where the man of the people was actually chosen to rule the people.
otanaworld
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #22 on: January 23, 2007, 04:15 PM »

Ono dear,

if u ask me i don't know the gods because i am mere mortal like you. But you know the gods (spirits) are just, they don't collect bribe from anyone to do what is wrong else they can't return to the spirit world from where they come. They only intervene in the affairs of men when injustice have gone beyond remedy (helpless oppressed), they are like the intervention of military government in the affairs of unstopable, misruled civilian governments.

Please find the excerpt of their latest demands in Vanguard today at http://www.vanguardngr.com/articles/2002/niger_delta/nd223012007.html

The government should act fast to develop the Niger Delta so that the gods can return to their spirit world before its too late for them to return. A proverb goes that 'A monkey hand too long in a cooking pot will soon turn to human Palm'.

Develope the area; give employment to the youths, make incentives like scholarships available to the youths for those who wants to study at all levels not the 'eye-soar' dress making, carpentry, hair dressing, electrical; skill acquisition stuffs ,  the carrot stick like programmes being dangle before the people. The truth is that the people are enlightened now. They have travelled to Abuja, Lagos, some even Overseas and have seen developments for themselves. They feel they can no more be blind folded. I mean solid, realistic future manpower developmental programmes ,  that is what the Niger Delta need. I hope we all believe in one Nigeria.
McKren (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #23 on: January 23, 2007, 08:54 PM »

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The Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (MEND) on Tuesday accused politicians and elders of Ijaw extraction of mastering the kidnap of 24 Filipinos off the coast of Warri at the weekend. MEND, in an email statement made available to The Guardian said "the purpose of this action is to replace Uduaghan as the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) governorship candidate by blackmailing governor James Ibori and the PDP.''The militant group spokesperson, Jomo Gbomo, reiterated non-involvement of MEND in what he described as " the comedy presently unfolding in Delta State.''According to him, "none of our fighters was involved in the capture of the cargo vessel, or detention of its Filipino crew. This was an action carried out solely by the community in that vicinity engineered by politicians and supposed Ijaw elders in Delta State.'' Gbomo said the kidnap of the Filipinos, which has prompted Philippine President Gloria Arroyo, to bar Filipino workers from going to Nigeria until those being held hostage are released, "has

nothing to do with the struggle for justice in the Niger Delta."

Are they part of the gods toooo?HuhHuhHuh??//////
Seun (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #24 on: January 23, 2007, 08:55 PM »

Why is it ok for MEND to kidnap people but wrong for the "elders of the Ijaw people" to do the same thing?
azorjiu (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #25 on: January 24, 2007, 12:30 AM »

american and brit kidnapped in the delta

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6289711.stm

i'm not trying to whip up sentiments, but this act is becoming one too many. within the next week, they will release them ----after collecting ransom. how will this benefit the people of the niger delta? how those this pacify the sacred gods of the delta? hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm
otanaworld
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #26 on: January 24, 2007, 09:28 AM »

Seun

The gods are simply saying if there will be no development in the area then let  there be a stop to white skinned people parading the whole Niger Delta digging ground and carrying their consecrated black oil away thus poluting the land further.

They are free to come to build schools, hospitals, good roads; provide electricity, portable water etc. and see whether these gods will be mad to keep kidnapping them (the white skinned).

Seun, if the elders and politicians are cashing on the good works of the Niger Delta gods so far, then remember my parable yesterday that 'when a monkey hand stays too long in the cooking pot, it turns to human palm'. The government should rather act fact to initiate development programmes in the Niger Delta.

But why has nobody ask what the government has done or is doing in terms of developing the Niger Delta as these foreigners are kidnapped and released so far. Is there anything on ground yet to show for it? I hope we all believe in one Nigeria!
Sijien (m)
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #27 on: January 26, 2007, 03:37 PM »

ono mavo. u don come again? abi mke we beg chxta make I'm come back here come finish u again? all d things wey I'm yarn before u see as them don dey happen say na true I'm talk? abi u wan bring owo come make I'm start to dey tear mouth again say I'm been dey shell before?

e 4 good make u talk true say d militant them na tif tif na I'm all of them be.
ccrwly
Re: More Oil Workers Seized
« #28 on: January 28, 2007, 08:18 PM »

Does anyone have any specific details about exactly how MEND carried out the 7 December kidnapping of the 4 Eni/Agip oil workers? Any specifics?
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