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nigeria1
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Who told you the census result have been approved. It was only presented to the senate and house , they have the right to reject, they have not said they have approved, If 300 reps refuse to be there when Obj present the worthless document wait for more action, At least they shock him. You have not seen anything yet, Under any democracy in the world, The council of state is powerless, the constitution put all power on the senate and house of assembly, Please get a copy of the constitution, Even the president claimed he did not understand what the constitution said, about census, Let me state it here, It state that the president present the document to the national assembly, It is left for them to approve, The council of state do not have power over the census figure, Go back and read the constitution, so who ever mislead the president in the first place I wonder, Some people thing we are still under the military era of the supreme military council, The senate only recieve the document, I have started making contact to make sure they reject the document, we need good census to make our people life better, the only reason some people in the PDP are so much rushing this issue is because they want to rig the election.
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Christino (m)
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@ Nigeria1, Hope your colleague, Makama is not the same Adekunle makama, because if he is, then we should lock all these threads at once, there ain't no need for a census in a first place. His credibility as an IBB speaheader is less than zero  Check this: http://ndn.nigeriadailynews.com/templates/?a=2087&z=12
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donnymikky (m)
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the only reason some people in the PDP are so much rushing this issue is because they want to rig the election. My brother, you've said it all!!! gba be jo!! 
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nigeria1
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look this is what they plan to do, In a place like kano where they claim it is 9 million which should be about 4 to 6 million, there about, all they would do is the difference of 4 million, give it to their candidate in one house with voting machines,
And they move next to katsina , where may be the population is 3 million, they would just add the extra 1.7 million to their candidate, they would do the same in sokoto, kebbi, zamfara, jigawa and create a new name for one invisible villages and claim that villages is 1 million and they would win,
You see a good man would win an election an day in a justice society no matter is tribe, The reason why mr makama is doing this is , he know that most of his friend are not good and they need rigging to win,
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nikynike (f)
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l stil believe that the census 2006 result is not what is supposed to be.The result is a negative result to some states.
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nigeria1
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see this new figure by hellbe, i would take time to analysis the figure later, but i already notice it put the north more populated than the south , But it put a reasonable figure for lagos, see it from kano more populated topic.
hellbe Re: Kano State Has The Highest Population In Nigeria? « #214 on: Yesterday at 08:45:53 AM »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Someone sent this figure to me. He said this was the original figure that is brother works in NPC in abuja, that it was the first result which was rejected by Alhaji S Makama. His brother told him that Alhaji only change the figure 3 hours to going to see he president.
Lagos 13,785,674 Kaduna 9,043,836 Oyo 8,947,383 Kano 8,158,394 Bauchi 5,096,533 Borno 5,075,494 Benue 5,043,964 Rivers 5,018,364 Ondo 4,964,864 Ogun 4,873,429 Anambra 4,639,264 Delta 4,492,711 Niger 4,274,901 Katsina 4,189,637 Osun 4,169,364 Imo 4,157,383 Plateau 4,073,562 Kogi 4,064,254 Adamawa 4,047,738 Edo 3,983,534 Akwa Ibom 3,958,424 Kwara 3,948,533 Jigawa 3,653,893 Enugu 3,578,733 Abia 3,463,474 C River 3,352,453 Zamfara 3,173,648 Sokoto 3,093,843 Kebbi 3,051,164 Taraba 3,036,372 Ekiti 2,573,748 Yobe 2,547,843 Gombe 2,536,746 Ebonyi 2,493,373 Nassarawa 2,362,647 Balyesa 2,274,734 Abuja 1,853,457
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nigeria1
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there are over 2000 village and town in Oyo state, here is a list of the villages and town, where you compare with kano state of just about a 1000 villages and town , also note this satellite picture below, so what do you think, all the over 2000 villages and towns and cities in Oyo state http://www./smf/index.php/topic,4125.0.html all just about 1000 villages and towns and cities in Kano state http://www./smf/index.php/topic,4124.0.html This is Ibadan from satellite, you can compare it to kano http://wikimapia.org/#y=7380000&x=3930000&z=15&l=0&m=sKano satellite picture. http://wikimapia.org/#y=12000000&x=8520000&z=13&m=s
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goggoji (m)
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you guys forget that the average Hausa man has 3 wives and 30 + something children (see the army of almajiris lining the street of Kano) you also forget that the marriageable age is lower in the north than the south. Education and "prosperity" has made aging bachelors and spinsters more prevalent in the south. Don't forget too that the growth rate through reproduction is faster in the north. I think we are missing the point here which is Nigeria is growing too fast for her economy, soon we may start fighting ourselves for dwindling resources (Mathusian theory) 
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nigeria1
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don't forget that Yoruba are allowed to marry as many too, but their population did not shoot up, go to the villages and see, Ask president how many children, All those children doing taylor , mechanic in Yorubaland, what age do they get marry, no excuse for fraud, there are over 2000 village and town in Oyo state, here is a list of the villages and town, where you compare with kano state of just about a 1000 villages and town , also note this satellite picture below, so what do you think, all the over 2000 villages and towns and cities in Oyo state http://www./smf/index.php/topic,4125.0.html all just about 1000 villages and towns and cities in Kano state http://www./smf/index.php/topic,4124.0.html This is Ibadan from satellite, you can compare it to kano http://wikimapia.org/#y=7380000&x=3930000&z=15&l=0&m=sKano satellite picture. http://wikimapia.org/#y=12000000&x=8520000&z=13&m=s
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Sijien (m)
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this nigeria1 person sef. people have brougth solid arguments but u just keep using sentiment to talk what is your problem? http://chippla.blogspot.com/2007/01/one-hundred-and-forty-million.htmlEleven weeks ago, a colleague of mine asked me how many people there were in Nigeria. "No one knows," I replied to which everyone around laughed. "On a more serious note" I said, "estimates range from between 130 million to 150 million." "Wow," he said, "that's about twice the population of France." "O, yes. And not just that," I said, "it's still growing, and rapidly. And by the way, a census was conducted some months back, the results of which are being eagerly awaited."
About a year and a half ago, while working in the Nigerian capital city of Abuja, this blogger objected to the fact that the Nigerian government decided to leave out ethnicity and religious affiliation from a list of questions to be asked in a census that was (at that time) being planned. Statistics obtained on ethnic identity, it was argued, could go a long way in policy formulation vis-à-vis, providing better healthcare, understanding migration patterns, intermarriages, etc.
Good enough though, the Nigerian government stuck to its guns, despite opposition from certain quarters in the country. It left both religious affiliation and ethnicity out of the census questionnaire. And if the discussions in the Nigerian blogosphere (which is largely made up of middle to upper class, and well educated young men and women) over the census are anything to go by, Nigeria (unfortunately) currently sits on an ethnic keg, typified by deep mistrust amongst the various ethnic groups.
The Devil is in the Detail
In the third week of March 2006, people living in Nigeria (citizens and foreigners) were given a couple of days off to sit at home to be counted. The BBC reported that the perpetually busy and clogged streets of Lagos resonated with an eerie silence. The Nigerian Civil Liberties Organization deployed tens of thousands of monitors to oversee the 'government organized' census, according to the BBC, with about one million enumerators going around, counting people and collecting data on people's occupation, educational background, income, dwelling and access to clean water and electricity.
In early January 2007, the census results were released. The official population was put at 140,003,542 or 140 million for short (as obtained from the website of the Nigerian National Population Commission). Few appeared surprised by this. After all, it correlated quite well with previous estimates both by the Nigerian government and the Untied Nations. But the devil truly lay in the detail, for the moment the breakdown of the census figures was released, hell was let loose both in mainstream Nigerian media and in the blogosphere.
There happened to be two main bones of contention: (1) the fact that there were slightly more males than females in the country and (2) the fact that states in the North appeared more populated than those of the South, with the North having a higher overall population figure. Key was the fact that Lagos State (in the South) appeared to have a meager 9,013,534 people compared to Kano's (in the North) 9,383,682. This happened to be the second census in a row in which the population of Kano State ended up being higher than that of Lagos State, albeit by a small margin. What this blogger cannot do is provide any hard evidence whatsoever for or against these claims by the Nigerian Population Commission. But what he can do is provide a few thoughts, leaving you the reader to draw your own conclusions.
North and South
As a point of note, this blogger does not recognize the existence in Nigeria of a monolithic North and a monolithic South. Rather, he subscribes to three major zones in Nigeria: the North, the Middle Belt and the South. The South itself is deeply fragmented into a South West and a South East. In the eyes of most Nigerians, the Middle Belt is (unfortunately) seen as a part of the North. So, for the purpose of this discourse, and for it alone, we'll stick to the imaginary image of a monolithic North and a monolithic South.
Analysis: What Others Think
Just before the census, it was well known that several Nigerians traveled to their hometowns, against the advice of the Federal Government. In the opinion of Akin, a Nigerian-British blogger, there was likely greater mobility in the South than in the North. He writes:
"This can seriously skew the [census] numbers [of Lagos State] since non-indigenes probably make up the majority of the residents of Lagos State. There might be other reasons why the fertility rate and population demographic presents a higher figure in the North than in the South; however, exploring those ideas can be too subjective for appropriate discourse."
The blog Chxta's World, authored by a Nigerian, while rejecting the official census figure (its author believes that the real figure should have been close to 200 million people, given that several inhabitants weren't counted), poses a thought-provoking question to Nigerians who come from the South of the country:
"Suppose it is true that the North is really more populated than the South? Let's at least give it a thought. I think most of us are so prejudiced that once things do not agree with our expectations, we look for all sorts of ways to discredit them."
Chxta's World's author also personally attests to the fact that parts of Lagos State were emptied before the census, as their residents left for their hometowns, probably to boost the numbers there. It also poses loads of other arguments one of which is the fact that Lagos State is still much more densely populated than Kano State, going by the census figures.
The blog Just Thoughts By A Naijaman focuses on the higher population figure of Kano in comparison to Lagos, referring to the Kano figure as "wuruwuru," a Pidgin English word which could be translated as 'immense deception.' However, its author gets it all wrong when he states:
"Since 1991, Jigawa state has been carved out of the old Kano state…[which means that Kano State has had an]… amazing growth rate of 143.83% in less than 15 years."
Jigawa State was created on August, 27, 1991 (having been carved out of Kano State). The 1991 census was held for three days in November 1991—three months after Jigawa State was created—according to C. Haub, writing in the journal Population Today1. The annual growth rate for Kano State, according to the Nigerian National Population Commission is 3.3%, which is very consistent with the national average. Thus, the arguments presented by the author of Just Thoughts By A Naijaman on the population growth rate of Kano State are inaccurate.
Analysis: What this Blogger Thinks
To begin with, it must be stated that this blogger has no expertise whatsoever in demography. Thus, what is presented here are logical arguments based on data available and known facts. First of all, the argument that lots of people left Lagos before the census seems quite credible. Estimates for the population of Lagos State range from between 10 million and 15 million—the United Nations put the year 2000 population of Lagos at 13.4 million. Thus, the census likely underestimated the population of Lagos, not deliberately, but because hundreds of thousands, and possibly a couple of million people left the city to their hometowns.
With regard to Kano State, it is nothing short of preposterous for people (both in the mainstream media and blogosphere) to argue that it is a sparsely populated state, without providing any evidence other than ethnic sentiments. Population estimates—both by the Nigerian government and National Geographic—have consistently shown that the Kano axis is the most densely populated in the North of the country. Despite the fact that the census figures reveal a similar absolute population value for both Kano and Lagos, Kano State is still much less densely populated than Lagos and some states in the South East of Nigeria.
In the figure below, the population density is plotted for each of the 36 states in Nigeria and the Federal Capital Territory (popularly called Abuja) based on the 2006 census data. Population density is defined as the number of people per square kilometer. This blogger chooses to call it 'population perception' because it is what one perceives the population of a given place to be when on the ground.
Population Perception 2006 Nigerian Census
Observe that Lagos dwarfs every other state, with almost 2700 people per square kilometer. States of the South East come next (Anambra and Imo States having almost 900 and 800 people per square kilometer, respectively). Kano State has a population density the same as that of Rivers State—470 people per square kilometer. And to no one's surprise, the states of the North of Nigeria have the least population density with just 42 people per square kilometer in Taraba State and 88 people per square kilometer in Kebbi State.
While some people (both in the mainstream media and the blogosphere) have argued that the North of Nigeria cannot be more populated than the South, few have bothered to rationalize the population perception figure. It confirms that the North is sparsely populated, but due to its larger land area, it has a higher absolute population figure. While I am not arguing that the census figures are immaculately correct, I dare to say that they cannot be dismissed as utter rubbish.
From a pictorial point of view, the images below show what population density (population perception) would look like for a select number of states using computer-generated aerial images of settlements. Each house represents 20 people, and each plane, a square kilometer. Observe how the population perception increases tremendously from Taraba State to Lagos State using this pictorial representation.
Population Perception 2006 Nigerian Census: CG Aerial Image
The so-called North makes up 79% of Nigeria's landmass, 21% being considered South. And according to the 2006 population figure, the North accounts for 53.6% of all people in Nigeria, while the South accounts for 46.4%. If one plays around with the figures, one sees that the census results reveal that, on average, for every 10 people found per square kilometer in the North, there would be 33 such people in the South.
Analysis: The 1991 Census
Like the 2006 Nigerian census, the 1991 census was also controversial. That time around though, the population of Nigeria was much smaller than expected—88.9 million. Yet, the population densities (or population perception) of the states tally quite well with the results obtained from the 2006 census, when a uniform national growth rate is taken into account. The Federal Capital Territory (Abuja) experienced the greatest growth rate of any state between 1991 and 2006—9.3% according to the Nigerian National Population Commission. This can largely be explained by mass migration. At the time of the 1991 census, Abuja was still a giant construction project, a month away from being declared the official capital of Nigeria.
Population Perception 1991 Nigerian Census
Note that six additional states were created between 1991 (after the census) and 2006: Ebonyi, carved out of Enugu; Bayelsa, from Rivers; Ekiti, from Ondo; Zamfara, from Sokoto; Nassarawa, from Plateau and Gombe from Bauchi. Thus, the 1991 and 2006 figures can't simply be compared directly.
Conclusion
According to the Nigerian National Population Commission, the country's population is growing at an annual rate of 3.2%. The mainstream Nigerian media and the blogosphere have either largely overlooked this (save for a statement from the Nigerian president telling people that high population growth rates are detrimental to economic growth), or some have been so busy settling never-ending ethnic scores that they fail to see the disastrous consequence of such a growth rate.
All societies and nation states need to maintain a certain population growth rate (or at least keep their current population figures stable). In parts of Western Europe and in Japan, populations are (unfortunately) shrinking. Places like Germany and Italy will have noticeably fewer people half a century from now. In much of Africa though, population figures are rising.
While a growing population assures the older generation of the presence of young people to look after them and meet their needs, truth be told that Nigeria cannot afford a growth rate of 3.2% per annum. It is simply too high!
The blog Demography Matters puts this in clear perspective when it states that this shows:
", clearly what an important problem continuing high fertility is. It is far from clear what is going to happen to Nigeria during the next few years, but one thing is sure, it won't be serious economic growth and development, however good the policy mix that is deployed (and the political instability that is almost inevitable makes good policy hard to expect). The preponderance of children will ensure that."
While Nigerians argue over whether Kano State does have more residents than Lagos State, they miss a vital and key issue: exceedingly high population growth, which literally wipes off the effect of any form of economic development. This is something all Nigerians need to think about and if the government is really serious about making life better for most people, it must fight not just corruption, but this unsustainable and potentially disastrous growth rate.
The shift from agrarian to manufacturing and service based societies should compel people (especially those in cities) to have fewer children. Agrarian societies of the past were largely dependent on the availability of manual labor. Thus, people needed to have as many kids as possible. Not in cities or towns of today, where people keep having lots of children, a large number of whom they cannot care for. At the current annual growth rate of 3.2%, Nigeria's population would double to 280 million in just 22 years time!
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Sijien (m)
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another one http://akin.blog-city.com/gaugingthenigerian2006census.htmCounting the incredible
The Nigerian blog boards have been rife with disputing about the validity of the 2006 census as many are derisively rejecting the returns as both a waste of money and a fantasy of figures.
Two points really stick out on this matter of numbers, the fact that Kano State, in the North has more people “counted” than the state of the commercial capital of Nigeria, Lagos and that there are many more men than women in the country.
None of this really seems all that strange when one really examines the numbers returned and the circumstances around the conduct of the census last year.
First, we need to understand the changing demography of Nigeria, there was a time when Ibadan in Western Nigeria was the largest city in Africa in the 1950s, and the city gave up that title to Cairo in the 1960s.
See the figures
As it happens, the whole of Kano State came to 9,383,682 whilst Lagos State counted 9,013,354 a difference of 370,148 coming to just about 0.041% [1] - this has become the subject of interesting debate.
However, when you look at the zoning of the South West of Nigeria which includes Lagos the total population comes to 27,581,992 which is 8,204,952 less than the North West with 35,786,944, where each respective state numbers more than the corresponding state in the South West, alluding to the generally accepted view that the North of Nigeria has always had more people than the South.
What to do with a holiday
When the census took place proper, the whole country was given a week off [2], however, no special restrictions were placed on movement except for 2 days – the 24th and 25th of March 2006 having been on holiday since the 21st of March – many could have gone off since Friday the 17th of March to return on Sunday the 26th of March without being subject to the restriction.
This meant people in highly populated conurbations could have availed themselves of the opportunity to travel to their villages and one can say the greater mobility would be in the South than in the North.
This can seriously skew the numbers since non-indigenes probably make up the majority of the residents of Lagos State.
There might be other reasons why the fertility rate and population demographic presents a higher figure in the North than in the South; however, exploring those ideas can be too subjective for appropriate discourse.
Sex Ratios
The issue of there being more males than female is not particularly strange either, sex ratios which is a major area of study indicates that globally there are really more males than females, the natural sex ratio at conception is estimated at 1.05 males/female [3] and this falls as it evens out in adulthood and then to more females at over the age of 65.
Then view the extremes, like Qatar with 1.87 males/female and Sierra Leone has 0.96 males/female, the People’s Republic of China with a population of 1,315,844,000 (2006 Estimate) [4] has a sex ratio of 1.13 males/female, so why should Nigeria with just over a tenth of that population be so radically different having a sex ratio of 1.02 males/female?
The outcry
The only way to determine a census is to count the people, there is no doubt that logistics in the matter of the Nigerian census were very poor, my mother informed me that people on her street had to pay to be enumerated, one can only wonder about the less enterprising ones who did not get counted because they did not participate in the “Nigerian Way” of getting things done.
Census issues have always sparked controversy, usually between the North and South and this time is not different as politicians pluck figures out of the air to corroborate unverifiable statements – people believe there are 15 million people in Lagos but no one has assuredly counted 15 million people on location in Lagos [5] – this pandering to ethnic dominance by numerical strength does not serve Nigeria well and it would appear we have not grown out of this cancer of tribal ascendancy.
The count
I remember one Saturday morning in 1973 when an enumerator visited our well-appointed bungalow in Rayfield, a suburb of Jos in the then Benue-Plateau State, the young man was invited into the house where he asked my parents a number of questions, we had our thumbs inked as our household included our housemaid and a gardener.
When I got to school on Monday we were all showing off our black thumbs as one of the counted, that was the only census I have ever attended, since then, our family was grown, that is a blessing.
It is strange that we expect a higher number from the South when it appears what some news organ calls Biafran separatists refused to be counted [6], there is no telling how many were not counted out of omission and others who refused to be counted, all that gets reflected in the final results.
Need for objectivity
It is easy to get carried away on the emotion of the occasion as we seek kinship for a perceived injustice and gather in the mass hysteria of castigating a process that did cost a lot of money.
Sadly, this census would not reflect in the realignment of the federal constituencies for the 2007 elections [7], but it is of concern if only 40 million are registered to vote if almost 80 million are over the age of 15, 18 being the voting age.
The projections and figures are almost in agreement and the debate is in the superficial detail of who has the most and where.
For now, it is the best census we have, if it should change, then we need to get our logistics right, educate the enumerators and understand the greater service to our fatherland to ensure we are counted fairly and without corrupt duress – before that, Kano State has more than Lagos State and sorry, you cannot have more than one wife, there are not enough to go round.
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Sijien (m)
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another one http://grandioseparlor.com/2007/01/the-accuracy-of-the-nigerian-census/The recently released census data has been generating some knee-jerk responses and ethnocentric sentiments from several Nigerians, even among the political case, many of whom have suddenly turned “experts”, spewing all sorts of half-baked analyses. The major bone of contention is the population of Lagos, which ‘appears’ underestimated when compared to the Northern state of Kano.
However, there are some interesting op-eds by Chxta and Akin. I’m pleased that finally there are people that can add some hard facts and common-sense to the census discussion; objectivity is crucial in matters like this.
If I may add, the ideal census is a complex process that involves the use of several databases- birth and death records, primary school registration and enrollment data etc; it is more than just counting heads from houses to houses, at times, samples are drawn capture the actual size and used to estimate the population size. None of the databases mentioned are kept accurately in Nigeria. So the best that can be done is just count - a seemingly simple process, but one that is prone to all sorts of error and biases.
Nigerians must accept the census figures, move on, and improve the process. It is silly to always “cry and kick” each time census figures are released and saying they are ‘manipulated’. I ask: “What makes a census accurate in Nigeria?”
The infrastructure needed to conduct an more accurate census must be built over time. The people must have the right mentality and not ‘boycott’ the process each time they feel something aren’t fair - if there is one thing we ought to have learned from the census - to boycott the census means to be under-counted. If several people travelled out of Lagos during the exercise, then why are we surprised the Lagos numbers are low?
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Sijien (m)
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d last one my best. seun abeg bring this guy back. http://chxta.blogspot.com/2007/01/nigerias-population-issues.htmlPost script: Please bear with me, get a glass of water, this is going to be long,
Before I get crucified, I have to make one thing clear: I don't think the figures from the 2006 census are accurate. Nigeria doesn't have just 140 millions, that is a gross under estimate. We are closer to the 200 mark. After all, some people I know weren't counted, the population of Lagos was grossly underestimated, and the East was all but left out. I also have to take sides with my fellow Southerners and bloggers, in this case David and Anthony in saying that as is usual, the Northerners in order to up their ante produced all the chickens and cows in their households for counting. I would also want to agree with a comment that I saw on Omodudu's blog that there must be at least 4 women to every man in Nigeria. That way there would be more than enough females to go round to satisfy our polygamous tendencies. I have to strongly disagree with the enumerator who told a friend of mine that: would you believe that each aboki family he counted in Abuja had an average of 27 members. some had as much as 43! Finally, I have to agree with my cousin that once again the government in the centre have enacted another evil scheme to throw a spanner in the wheels of the Igbo juggernaut. Now I have agreed to all the allegations, every one should be happy.
But let us for once throw sentiment out of the window, and sit down to analyse these results, the impact of the results. why people are so concerned about the results, and most importantly, what our focus should actually be. Since goats and cows were counted in one part of the country instead of people, doesn't that reduce the population from even the 140 million that was announced?
We have to stop being sentimental and ask ourselves the question that a lot of us in the South don't even want to consider: Suppose it is true that the North is really more populated than the South? Let's at least give it a thought. I think most of us are so prejudiced that once things do not agree with our expectations, we look for all sorts of ways to discredit them.
Ndi Igbo
Let me as is usual begin with 'my constituency', ndi Igbo,
I read somewhere that Ohaneze have rejected the result. Pity I can't find the link, but that is academic. My question is this: where was Ohaneze when the MASSOB youths were busy disrupting the smooth conduct of the census in the East? Where was Ohaneze when an enumerator was sprayed with acid in Onitsha? Where were they when one was killed for trying to do his job? Why didn't they categorically come out then to call those miscreants to order? There are more than enough stories of people who refused to be counted because they are not Nigerian, they are 'Biafran'. What ignorant bollocks! What has that stupid boycott achieved for us except to fall our hand? We need to learn to bargain with what we have in hand while preparing for other eventualities. Granted people should have a right to self determination (I have to make it clear yet again that I don't believe in the Biafran nightmare, it just doesn't make sense), but the question I'D like to ask some of these people is this: 'If your Biafra 'dream' fails nko? By boycotting the census y'all will be short-changed for another 10 years, and who will you blame? Who else can you blame? My mother used to say a bird in hand,
Lagos
Now let's turn our attentions to the Lagos State government that quickly joined the bandwagon of result condemnation,
I gather that Funsho Williams' widow won the Lagos State PDP primaries only for her victory to be given to Musiliu Obanikoro amid statements that a "Lagos man" was needed to give PDP a chance in the elections. (Hilda Williams 'hails' from Rivers State, in case you were wondering.) The question in the minds of those idiots wasn't whether she would be a capable administrator, but rather that she wasn't an indigene of the state. They also seemed to forget that based on all Nigerian cultures a woman automatically becomes an 'indigene' of her husband's place.
Let's be honest, in Lagos (as in other parts of Nigeria), the PDP isn't the only party guilty of this indigene-settler bullshit. I wonder just how many Lagos 'indigenes' there are since the state belongs to only them. Shouldn't that be thrown up as a valid question since in apparent terms Lagos belongs only to the omo Eko? So people, just how many Lagosians are there really?
Having talked about the immediate issue briefly, I'D also like to digress a little and talk about that which has worried me for a very long time, the 'indigene'-settler dichotomy we have in our country. Please refer to the line from Bob Marley's song War where he refered to first class and second class citizens of a nation. We have been running that bull shit in Naija for a long time now, and without any apologies, I lay the blame squarely at the feet of the great Obafemi Awolowo. Had he not initiated the carpet crossing in the Western House of Parliament when he was defeated by Nnamdi Azikiwe, I would probably be able to run for Edo State governor today.
I was born and brought up in Benin City see, and I feel more comfortable when people around me are speaking either Edo or Pidgin, than when they are speaking Igbo (which I tend to stammer through anyway). But because of that stupid 'indigene'-settler stuff which we have running in this country, I'D have to travel many miles eastward if I want to become involved in politics, to a place where I don't really know the issues because I don't live there.
Isn't it funny that Nigerians would go to the US, the UK, Canada, Ireland or wherever to have children so that such kids could lay claim to being citizens of such countries, but in our own country, a man born and bred in Kano would be told to go back to Warri to contest an election simply because his grandfather came from there. That is stupidity. How we are ever going to build one Nigeria with this kind of utter nonsense going on.
Back to the census,
For the sake of all that is fair and just, we have to take into account the following: Lagos emptied out in the days before the census, I was there, I saw it with my eyes. We must also accept that parts of Lagos weren't counted. A lot of people travelled to their 'home' states for the census. A colleague of mine told me point blank that he didn't want his people to suffer when resources were being shared.
We also must state that parts of Lagos are not actually in Lagos State. The 'Welcome to Lagos' sign board if you are driving in from the East or North is at Berger. Isheri, Igbafo, Ojodu, etcetera are actually in Ogun State.
We also have to acknowledge this fact: populations generally tend to congregate in any of the following kinds of places: places close to a large body of water; commercial centres; fertile lands. That logic should mean that it would be more likely to have a larger population in and around the Niger-Benue Basin, the Delta, the Lake Chad Basin, and the ancient commercial centre of Kano.
We also have to take into account the relative population densities. Looking at figures for face value can be misleading. The truth remains that at the end of the day, the states in the North are bigger in terms of geographical area than their counterparts in the South. What I would be more interested in is a table of population density, not just raw figures.
If for argument's sake both Lagos and Kano had identical population figures, but Kano had twice the land mass, how would anyone ever believe that Kano had such a high population? Impossible to accept, because the density would be half that of Lagos, and that's what people base their 'estimates' on. In such a scenario, for 'Kano' to match the population density of Lagos, it would have to further double its population, or Lagos would have to empty half of its own.
I myself have asked 'where are the people?' when visiting the North. I was expecting to see the 'crush' of humanity I was used to in Lagos and Ibadan and Onitsha. People generally do not take into account land mass when comparing population figures.
The story of Northern Nigeria and the myth of the cows
One of the prevalent myths circulating around in the minds of majority of southerners in Nigeria is that the North is all desert. That is wrong. There is no true desert zone in Nigeria. Granted there is a gradual 'desertification' especially in Katsina and Bornu. But apart from the rain forest in the South, we have three grades of savannah in the North. Remember Social Studies from JSS2? Again, population size is a different concept from population density. Size refers to total number of persons in a territory or region. Density relates to number of persons to an area. Specifically, density of population is the number of persons per square kilometre. The South is a smaller physical area – roughly a quarter of the country's land area – and is more densely populated than the North. The North - which accounts for the other three-quarters of the total land area - may have a larger population but far lower population density than the South. The concentration of people in a small area, such as Lagos State, because of visibility would as a result falsely suggest a very large population relative to the other less dense areas. Thus, simply because the South is more densely populated than the North does not guarantee that it should automatically have a larger population.
Case point the map below
Bangladesh has a far greater population density (985) than India (336), but India at 1.2 billion people, eclipses Bangladesh's 149 millions. You want an even greater shocker? Take a look at the global population density table, and see which countries have the highest population densities. Does this automatically translate to a higher population? Your guess is as good as mine, NO. Strangely enough, if you go further down the list, Russia (8.4) is the 209th in the league table of population density, but when you compare with the list of countries by raw population figures, they come in at number 8 (between Bangladesh and Nigeria). All this goes to show that you can travel miles without seeing anybody, but still have a lot of people in the yard,
Another myth that we like to perpetuate in the South is the myth that the rain forest is more habitable to human life than the (once again) desert. Well, first things first, we have shown that there is no desert in Naija, so let us look at this rain forest thing again critically,
A comparison of maps of the distribution of worlds population with that of vegetation reveals a most significant pattern: Universally, tropical rain forest areas, as found in southern Nigeria, are densely settled: it is an acknowledged fact that the most densely populated climate zones tend to be those of the savannah and the Mediterranean climates where there is a marked division into rainy and dry seasons. Except in certain areas where powerful cultures have evolved, most forests have been associated with low population densities, not only because of the thickness of vegetation and the difficulties of clearing but also of diminution of soil fertility after clearance and high incidence of diseases as well as limitations of human technology to tackle such environment. Michael Crichton in his book Congo described the African rain forest as “impenetrable, indestructible, and hostile in every way to human life. The soil can only support mere and infrequent harvests. Man is a marginal being, menaced and infested”. That is the main reason the Amazon forest of Brazil is sparsely populated. Countries in Africa that are entirely rain forest, Congo, Cameroon and Gabon for example have low population densities (24, 34 and 4.6). Or haven't you wondered why Congo Kinshasa with all that land mass has at least 30 million people less than Egypt? For your information, the bulk of the food produced in Nigeria, is not produced in the South, and agriculture has always been a major attraction for labour.
I can't argue against the story of people being attracted to water bodies because it is true. But what I'll do it to point out that the Niger's point of entry into Nigeria is in Kebbi State. There is the Benue, and there is Lake Chad. Not to mention quite a number of water bodies all over the North. For crying out loud, I have taken a swim in Gurara.
Sex ratio
The outcry about there being more males than females just goes to prove the point that Nigerian men are randy. What is the matter with us? How can you think of 4 women to a man? Even at the end of World War II when the Russians had a surplus of females, the ratio never hit 1.5 females to the male, not to talk of Nigeria where there has been relative peace for 37 years. I am lifting the following directly from Wikipedia:
The natural sex ratio at conception is estimated close to 1.05 males/female (this is related to the weight ratio of X to Y chromosomes). Due to the universally higher life expectancy of females, sex ratio tends to even out in adult population, and result in an excess of females among the elderly (e.g., the male to female ratio falls from 1.05 for the group aged 15 to 65 to 0.70 for the group over 65 in Germany, from 1.00 to 0.72 in the USA, from 1.06 to 0.91 in mainland China and from 1.07 to 1.02 in India).
Even in the absence of sex selection practices, a range of "normal" sex ratios at birth of between 103 to 107 boys per 100 girls has been observed in different societies, and among different ethnic and racial groups within a given society. Darwin, in his The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex, cites a sex ratio of 120 boys to 100 girls for Jewish communities in 19th century Livonia, where infanticide is not historically documented, and the means for pre-natal sex determination did not exist. Still, more extreme ratios documented in some populations should be attributed rather more to cultural preferences than to biological variation in the propensity to bear boys or girls.
In the United States, the sex ratios at birth over the period 1970-2002 were 105 for the white non-Hispanic population, 104 for Mexican Americans, 103 for African Americans and Indians, and 107 for mothers of Chinese or Filipino ethnicity.[2] Among European countries ca. 2001, the ratios ranged between 104 in Belgium and 107 in Portugal. In the aggregated results of 56 Demographic and Health Surveys[1] in African countries, the ratio is 103, though there is also considerable country-to-country variation.[3] Need I say more on that?
Resource control
At the end of the day though, this whole hullabaloo is about one thing: oil revenues.
There is an excellent article about is on Grandiose Parlour, and I will lift some of the relevant points because I think Imnakoya is finally beginning to come to terms with what I have been saying for a long time now:
* The total population of Bayelsa state is 1,703,358; it’s the least populated in the nation.
* Bayelsa received 5,325,414,955.84 (Naira) in May 2004 from federal account (PDF document); the second highest in the nation. This works out to 3,126.42 Naira per citizen . The highest allocation-per-citizen ratio* in the country And this is just from federal account, the figure doesn’t include locally generated revenue.
Once again I would repeat my rant that the people in the Niger Delta have (at least in my opinion) made the transition from being victims to being perpetrators. What for example do Chinese telecom workers have to do with the Niger-Delta 'struggle'? Why can't they channel their anger to the people who are raping them? Will increasing the population of Rivers State (and as a result its Federal allocation) prevent Odili from carrying on? Do I need to say more on this Delta thing? Time will definitely prove me right.
Conclusion
Sadly this whole furore just goes to show one thing. Despite the attempts to remove the parts of previous questionnaires which 'put fuel in the fire', and despite the fact that at the end of the day, the census is what it was, a huge joke, our people are intent on seeking out ways to pursue their own selfish agendas. The same apathy that was shown during the conduct of the census in some parts has already manifested in the voters registration exercise. I foresee Nigeria developing along Indian lines, and it is not what I want, but it is what will happen. Let's make no mistakes, our country has too much potential to remain prostrate for much longer, but at the same time there is too much lethargy amongst the populace.
Nigerians are once again showing an unwillingness to look at other means of generating revenue. Everyone just wants to go to Abuja to partake in the 'national cake'. And that is a tragedy.
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nigeria1
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First of all what is the qualification of your so call blogger, I am an engineer, and I would tell you this we in the science world live by evident and not hear say, I could post more than 1000 article making otherwise statement, Look I say Oyo state is more populated than Kano state, I present my own prove. Now you and Mr Makama say Kano is more populated than oyo state , Please present a prove to Nigerian. Let you and Mr Makama present his own prove, At least Mr Makama claim he use satellite picture in other to count the census, Now I dare Mr Makama to share with Nigerian this satellite pictures, that shows that Kano is more than Oyo state. period, this is science. The first law I was told in Engineering was called the law of never assume. This law state that you never assume anything without a prove. So Makama Claim he use satellite picture, Please tell your MR Makama to please present his satellite picture period. or goat don eat his satellite picture again. I dare mr Makama to appear on NigeriaONE Naija radio live call in program, to state is prov, any time he want. Here again is our prove below. there are over 2000 village and town in Oyo state, here is a list of the villages and town, where you compare with kano state of just about a 1000 villages and town , also note this satellite picture below, so what do you think, all the over 2000 villages and towns and cities in Oyo state http://www./smf/index.php/topic,4125.0.html all just about 1000 villages and towns and cities in Kano state http://www./smf/index.php/topic,4124.0.html This is Ibadan from satellite, you can compare it to kano http://wikimapia.org/#y=7380000&x=3930000&z=15&l=0&m=sKano satellite picture. http://wikimapia.org/#y=12000000&x=8520000&z=13&m=s
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Afam (m)
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The first law I was told in Engineering was called the law of never assume. This law state that you never assume anything without a prove. Come oo, where did you get this law from? Who told you? What branch of Engineering?
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Sijien (m)
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d guy is stupid. i quoted 4 complete sources. naijaoen chippla is an engineer with a phd. akin is an engineer with a masters. chxta is an engineer with a masters. what are u?
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Donzman (m)
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Look I say Oyo state is more populated than Kano state, I present my own prove. Now you and Mr Makama say Kano is more populated than oyo state , Please present a prove to Nigerian. His NPC went out to count people, what other proof do you need?. . .The only proof you need is for him to say that Oyo state is the most populated in Nigiera then you'll be happy.
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LePhilippe (m)
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Excuse my Language, but, NIGERIA is a fucked up country. How can anyone possibly tell mt that Lagos doesn't not account for more than 10% of the Nigerian population. How can someone say Kano has a population for than that of Lagos. Please, if you people are the least bit educated you would know that this all census is a lot of made up figures and bullshit. When will Nigerians grow up and stop being so immature. I hate that country so much!!!
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nigeria1
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Sijien (m), None of the 4 people claim is an engineer, one is even is in the medical field , so please stop the lies, Sijien and to the rest of you, the bible says each man shall give account of everything they do, Even everything you people do online and lied and defend falsehood God would hold you accountable, Pastor W. F . kumuyi would alway say Eternal would tell, You would be accountable to God. Nigerian have so much live in falsehood that I wish you know what God want . it state that rightoueness exalt a nation that sin bring down a nation, I would make this prediction you can write down todays date down. If the senate approve the census figure Nigeria would break up. what you have in the niger delta would be child play, you may have read people have started importing arms into Nigeria, Ijaw are given you problem you are shouting, with Yar adua or buhari there see what OPC , MOSSP would do after the election, It would 100 times worst than what Ijaws are doing, So let go on the Godly path. The north want more allocation habi, they would end up getting nothing, 0%, It is wise to do the right thing, see people below. what have Yar adua, buhari or Atiku done for the Igbos or Yorubas or the south south? The people on the street are ready for them, I ask you which Yorubaman on the street of the south west would Obasanjo ask to vote for Yar adua or which Igbo man, if there is no rigging Yar Adua, Atiku, or Buhari would not win a single state in the south, Or how do you ask a southern to vote for Buhari or Atiku, It is an impossible task, Go out on the street, and stop watching NTA news. which Yar Adua, or Buhari are you talking about who sat on the state council to approve to destroy the future of our children. Dozman , you claim the prove is that he counted human, are you really sure like someoe else said before and the animals. Dozman which address do you live in Canada, just give me the street and the number, I want to point your house to you, Here again is my prove below like you and mr makama who claim he use satellite picture . Let mr Makama present is satellite picture period, it is simple, we want to see it, where it shows that kano city is more than Ibadan. In 1991 IBB claim so useless figure for Kano here are the figures, IBB said the Number Of House in kano city was 338 745. please my people if I am a lier you can all disprove me, Can any one help us count the number of house in kano if it is 338745 from this picture, below, we counted only about 111,000, where did IBB get the remain 227745 houses, compare to Ibadan with about 375,000, Kano satellite picture. http://wikimapia.org/#y=12000000&x=8520000&z=13&m=s Below is our own prove, let Mr Makama please paste his prove for all Nigerian to see. there are over 2000 village and town in Oyo state, here is a list of the villages and town, where you compare with kano state of just about a 1000 villages and town , also note this satellite picture below, so what do you think, all the over 2000 villages and towns and cities in Oyo state http://www./smf/index.php/topic,4125.0.html all just about 1000 villages and towns and cities in Kano state http://www./smf/index.php/topic,4124.0.html This is Ibadan from satellite, you can compare it to kano http://wikimapia.org/#y=7380000&x=3930000&z=15&l=0&m=sKano satellite picture. http://wikimapia.org/#y=12000000&x=8520000&z=13&m=s So 65 year old IBB , Gowon 66 or buhari 60 would fight this men below. You can see their chest , lock IBB or El Rufia or nuru Ribadu inside the same room with one men and see if he come out alive. ARE THIS THE MEN WHO WOULD VOTE FOR YAR ADUA, BUHARI OR ATIKU, this guns most be toy guns. wait and see.  
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Donzman (m)
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Dozman which address do you live in Canada, just give me the street and the number, I want to point your house to you,
Forget my house in Canada, show me my home in Nigeria. FESTAC, 7th Avenue, A Close, House 10!, Go ahead!!
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xopher
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@nigeria1
please Respond to Donzman's challenge with immediate effect and automatic alacrity showing his Festac House and the number of people living there.
If your answer is correct then you are advised to go to the census tribunal when constituted and tender all the pictures you and google have taken with the dates and scales and any other neccessary details.
On the other hand if your answer is wrong you are advised to keep away from commenting on the census topic .
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Afam (m)
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I am also waiting for the satellite picture of Donzman's house.
The chips are down, over to you Nigeria1.
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nigeria1
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First of all Donzman said he was from Onitsha, now he claims festac, First of all I do not know festac very well, So that may be difficult for me to do, that why I ask him to tell me where in canada or Ibadan or Onitsha, But he claim he is from Onitsha. But since he knows Onitsha very well. I would give him Onitsha, You see Donzman I believe you are MoSSOP, and you want to destroy Nigeria, I am only interested in saving Nigeria, If the war break down, People would die, Look if Obasanjo a military is having so much problem with MOSSOP, MEND and OPC, can you now imagine what Ya Adua would go through, don't forget that if Obasanjo was not from the south, Nigeria would be in war now, If he leaves, Nigeria would return back to June 12 era, One night my car had problem around ikeja about 10 pm, this OPC man approach me with his Gun informing me that I must move the car that night, OPC have gun, MOSSOP have Gun, MEND have gun, The only fear Nigerian had under the military was that the army had guns, Now the equation is balance everybody have one, Who go fear military, Let avoid this problem, You see I have live in the north, the middle belt people they hate the fulani/hausa that is why they call them boroboro, go find out the meaning, If their is war, Guess what would happen in the middle belt. I see Genocide of the fulani/hausa people after Obasanjo leaves. they would attempt a genocide, "census tribunal " I laugh and shit for body, census tribunal ko census tribunal ni, Is there justice in Nigeria, Adedibu carried voting machine in his house is he in jail or court, Ba turashi, That is why those young men in the picture took the law into their hand, When you wake up, you may know those people are consider hero s on the street of lagos, ibadan, You people think it is the military era, My brother tell your people to dare approve and set up census tribunal , And see if this boys in the picture would not kidnap even Iyabo or gbenga Obasanjo or Muhammad Babaginda and behead them, they would kidnap all the senator children and house of assembly member children and may end up beheading them, , May be that time the message would come across to all of you, census tribunal in Nigeria, Take that to the waters. Our people would not do that again, they may this time take the law into their hands, and nothing would happen if they remove the fulani/haus from nigeria, they would just shout , nothing would happen. that would be the end of the whole story, wait and see till this people kill of your children finish, The only reason that census tribunal would accept is if Ganiyu Adam is the head of the census tribunal . You can't even have a census tribunal because the so call people who claim they approve the census have no constitution power to do it in the first place. Where in the Nigeria constitution does it show that ex military dictator IBB can approve census figure, Or what part of the constitution that you can point to that shows that an ex military dictator BUHARI can approve a census figure. Or what part of the constitution that you can point to that shows that an ex military dictator GOWON can approve a census figure. Or what part of the constitution that you can point to that shows that an SHAGARI can approve a census figure. Where in the constitution can Buhari, IBB, Gowon , Ahldusalami or shagari approve a census figure, please show us. It is a show of shame, Only the senate and house of assembley have that power , and when 305 of 360 of the national assembley that is 85% of them refuse to attend the census presentation, which census tribunal are you talking about. The census tribunal would be unconstitution just like the people that claim they approve the census, Onitsha High court complex http://wikimapia.org/#y=6157025&x=6786203&z=18&l=0&m=sPrimier breweries Onitsha http://wikimapia.org/#y=6130655&x=6775131&z=17&l=0&m=sThe Redeemed Evangelical Church (TREM), onitsha http://wikimapia.org/#y=6172134&x=6794132&z=18&l=0&m=sChrist the King college Onitsha http://wikimapia.org/#y=6142774&x=6789894&z=17&l=0&m=sObi of Onitsha palace Onitsha, Guinees eye hospital, all saint primary school Onitsha http://wikimapia.org/#y=6153339&x=6792072&z=18&l=0&m=sNiger Gas company onitsha http://wikimapia.org/#y=6125023&x=6764145&z=17&l=0&m=sCentral library Onitsha, central police station onitsha, Onitsha sport court. http://wikimapia.org/#y=6159670&x=6780978&z=17&l=0&m=sSaint Jude catholic church fegge Onitsha http://wikimapia.org/#y=6133264&x=6787362&z=18&l=0&m=sTourists hotel Onitsha http://wikimapia.org/#y=6127306&x=6785839&z=18&l=0&m=sHoly trinity cathedral Onitsha & Sancta maria primary school Onitsha http://wikimapia.org/#y=6160945&x=6777041&z=18&l=0&m=sUgo form factory Onitsha http://wikimapia.org/#y=6138336&x=6768436&z=18&l=0&m=s 
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Sijien (m)
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seun ignoramuses like this are spoiling the quality of this forum. instead of you to ban them you are banning your good members. i weep for nairaland.
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Afam (m)
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@Nigeria1,
Donzman wants his house in Festac shown not Onitsha.
Do you really need to know a place well before you can point it on the map?
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babyosisi (f)
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this thread has taken a new turn
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nigeria1
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Sorry Afam, I have only been to festac only twice in my life, So listen to yourself, I do not want to lie like Mr Sijien and claim everybody is an engineer, I do not know the area. All this Satellite picture are from NASA I was inform, so Mr Makama is saying NASA lied. The National Aeronautics and Space Agency (NASA) based in USA. I ask any one to help me count kano city house, can someone give us how many houses in Kano city, Here again is my prove below like you and mr makama who claim he use satellite picture . Let mr Makama present is satellite picture period, it is simple, we want to see it, where it shows that kano city is more than Ibadan. In 1991 IBB claim so useless figure for Kano here are the figures, IBB said the Number Of House in kano city was 338 745. please my people if I am a lier you can all disprove me, Can any one help us count the number of house in kano if it is 338745 from this picture, below, we counted only about 111,000, where did IBB get the remain 227745 houses, compare to Ibadan with about 375,000, Kano satellite picture. http://wikimapia.org/#y=12000000&x=8520000&z=13&m=s Below is our own prove, let Mr Makama please paste his prove for all Nigerian to see. there are over 2000 village and town in Oyo state, here is a list of the villages and town, where you compare with kano state of just about a 1000 villages and town , also note this satellite picture below, so what do you think, all the over 2000 villages and towns and cities in Oyo state http://www./smf/index.php/topic,4125.0.html all just about 1000 villages and towns and cities in Kano state http://www./smf/index.php/topic,4124.0.html This is Ibadan from satellite, you can compare it to kano http://wikimapia.org/#y=7380000&x=3930000&z=15&l=0&m=sKano satellite picture. http://wikimapia.org/#y=12000000&x=8520000&z=13&m=s I repent again so 65 year old IBB , Gowon 66 or buhari 60 would fight this men below. You can see their chest "Chineke", lock IBB inside the same room with one of this men and see if he will come out alive. ARE THIS THE MEN WHO WOULD VOTE FOR YAR ADUA, BUHARI OR ATIKU, this guns most be toy guns. wait and see.   
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Mariory (m)
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Lagos has released their census results "The Lagos State government on Monday released its own population census figure of 17, 553, 924, based on the parallel head count conducted by it, stating that the population census figure earlier released by the National Population Commission was an insult on citizens of Lagos State. Describing the entire project as another barren exercise, the Lagos State governor, Bola Tinubu, at a stakeholders' forum/world press conference/ book launch, said the state government would use every arsenal at its disposal to fight against the "injustice perpetrated against the state by the National Population Commission result." The book entitled "Falsification of Lagos Census Figure" was presented to stakeholders to show every detail of how the state government arrived at the 17, 553, 924 figure."
Breaking news from the Guardian front page.
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nigeria1
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at least this is another Prove that Makama did 419, Where iks Nuru ribadu to arrest him,
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