Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication

It is a sin . plain and simple and the bible and Quran sais so . Case closed

Gring-gring! **Lady picks up phone.

     Hello?

     Hi. Em. . . I was wondering if this is the Center for the Study of Language and Information?

     What can we do for you?
  
     I'm just wondering if you could help me with a simple definition of Pre-marital sex?

     _**coughs! What was that again?

     Please could you give me a simple definition of 'pre-marital sex'?

     Well, I. . . er. . . could send you an answer by email if you contact us online.

     Sure thing. Thanks!

     You're welcome.

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**Enquirer checks his Yahoo e-box a while later and got the following:

"Hi,

What a strange call that was! You almost got me ****! Anyhow, here's something for you if you're a student and want to know just a bit to pass your exams.

     Pre-marital sex - sex preceding/before marriage.

If your enquiry needs a detailed answer, I recommend one I sometimes use from Wikipedia:


Just out of curiosity, is there something you wanted to say that you were too shy to . . . voice out on the phone? ."

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Okay, Nairaland - please check the recommendation of this lady at the CSLI and discuss what's possbily wrong with her answer.

For those of you who missed it:-

The Complete Word Study Old Testament suggests three possible meanings for the Hebrew word "zanah." The first being fornication (pre-marital, illicit sex), the second being adultery (marital, illicit sex), and the third being idolatry (worship of a person or thing besides Yahweh).

context definition of FORNICATION: Illicit sex - which means unlawful, illegal or NON CONVENTIONAL sexual activity for example harlotry, incest, homosexuality etc etc etc.

Any sex before marriage is PRE marital sex
Any sex after marriage is POST matrimonial sex.

Does not mean PRE marital sex with the one you're committed to and monogamous with is a SIN.


Extract from an article:-

FORNICATION: "Going after Strange Flesh"
In the New Testament, "fornication" translates the Greek word porneia ("harlotry" or "prostitution"), which Paul and others use broadly to include any illicit sexual activity.

Thus adultery, bestiality, homosexuality, incest, and rape, against all of which there are scriptural laws, are biblically acts of fornication, or, to borrow a phrase from the Letter of Jude (1:7), "going after strange flesh."

In  Ezekiel  illicit sex is almost in a class by himself (see EZEKIEL: TALKING LEWD WOMEN), though certainly the other Old Testament prophets as a group have plenty to say  on the subject (virtually always as a metaphor of Israel's unfaithfulness to Yahweh; see HARLOTRY: "A-WHORING AFTER OTHER GODS:

In the New Testament's book of Revelation, John of Patmos portrays imperial Rome (called "Babylon") as "the great whore" and "mother of harlots," with whom "the kings of the earth have commited fornication" (17:1-5).

End of extract

And finally

There is no evidence that pre-marital sex with one partner between a man and a woman, who are consenting adults, in a committed monogamous relationship, over an extended period of time, is fornication.  It is not illicit, it is not illegal, it is not immoral. IT IS NOT FORNICATION and IT IS NOT A SIN
 
 

@ trini
i am begining to think u have a problem.


what u seem to be evading is that the same Bible and whatever references u use DO NOT state categorically if pre-marital sex 'between committed adults' is pre-marital sex or not.
what it says is that sex before marriage IS FORNICATION. it didnt add anything such as,
'if it were between two committed adults'

u don't have to be a scholar to understand this.

There is no moral justification for sex before marriage.
What is pertinent however is that when two committed unmarried adults have sex, it is an expression of their faith in the union they share. it is solely between both parties. this really is an ideal state,

however, trying to justify your position based on personal conviction will lead u no where.  

Lalas,

Does the Bible categorically state that you should take a bath everyday? And yet one would hope you practice that type of hygiene. 

Let's not go through the verbal gymnastics of what the Bible explicitly or implicitly states.  What I have noticed is that the gender that has most vociferously and vehemently opposed this opinion and spurted out insults and insinuations about my personal life, are MEN. 

I have repeatedly asked if the people who oppose this are virgins, one or two are, and as a result really should not even contribute because their view is biased.

The fact is, men want virgins to take as wives.  The neanderthal mindset is especially prevelant with african men.  Nonsense.

What is moral and immoral is to be judged against the word of God.  The word of god does not say that fornication is sex between a man and a woman in a relationship. 

When you can show me scripture that hasn't been shown before in an attempt to disprove this, which I am quite open to, then you will be taken seriously

And yes, I have a problem, with hypocrites like you who act like they can do no wrong and assume too much of people who have an opinion different from their own!

And please show me where in the Bible it say pre marital sex as I have defined it between a man and woman is fornication!

I have never denied that pre marital sex is not fornication.  It is not a "latest definition".  If you read the thread in its entirety you would see this.  I am agreeing with you, and have been agreeing with the fact that sex whether it is before or after marriage IS fornication if it is ILLICIT.  Worse for after marriage because its adultery AND fornication.

ILLICIT meaning not permitted, example homosexuality, sleeping with your step mom, prostitution etc etc etc
Is normal sex in a healthy heterosexual relationship disallowed? It is not! Of course it is better to marry, but to say that pre marital sex within the right parameters is sin? I don't buy it.  I still wait for the proof. 

If you see that as going around in circles then the only one spinnig is you.  I have held this opinion througout this thread.

Your deliberate attempt to not accede to  my point is obvious and unamusing.  I would hope for your sake that it is truly the case and not the fact you are so bankrupt of the ability to read and understand the content and context therein that you miss the point completely.

@ trini,

i'm not an argumentative type.
to fully dwell on this topic u obviously have to get personal, which i WILL NOT.


Assuming all u have said is true and correct, then;

2 people living together, committed to eachother, and having legal, intimate, non illict sex is ok.
they are married, jus not on paper.


on this earth we are governed by rules. if they were no rules, if non existed, there will be anarchy and chaos.

POINT:
the Bible has been put in place to act as guidelines for CHRISTAINS to follow.
now the choice of whether or not the Bible ommits part of our, now everyday life, is inconsequential.
The Bible was arranged years ago, thus some of its teachings can be flawed.
to successfully 'adjust' the Bible, due to these flaws is a problem. we all know that it cannot be adjusted. modify and modify, besides isnt there a curse on the person who adds or removes from the Bible??,  anyway, back to the issue,


i need you, trini, to agree with part of the above before i conclude.
may i say, u have spoken well. and i appeal to u not to show the daggar.

If those who are virgins should not contribute - "because their views are biased"

And those who are not virgins should not contribute either - "because they are equally sinners like yourself" (as you implied on page one of this thread)

. . . then, who exactly are those that should contribute?

@switosman,

Already answered - read the various posts on the thread.

amazing how easy it is for us to twist the bible to suit our own purpose,trini do not worry the holy spirit is able to bring about conviction just seek his help if u are willing and he will open your heart.

@ thread owner,
hi.
i've missed ur intellect.
please speak.

u were gone too long

She's just being the "good Christian" that she is.

let us leave this woman alone.
trini ride on with your premarital sexual Christian living.
If you can defend it before God when he asks you for an explanation,who are we to judge you.
The bible did not say smoking was evil too or drinking Heinieken.
I have not seen Heineken mentioned anywhere in the Bible


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_{as we say in Igboland}

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