Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication

pls all that l'm saying here is that sex b4 marriage shud not be seen as a fornication anyway for all those who are not clouded by thier religion

The bible tells us that in the last days people will give heed 2 seducing spirits & doctrines of devils,and that people will turn to fables. So d poster's "doctrine" does not surprise me. Fornication means to have sex with someone u've not exchanged marital vows with b4 a minister. It generally means sexual immorality b4 and after marriage. Meaning dat masturbation is under fornication.

The question should be whether pre-marital sex is sin or not.  The word of God in Exodus 22:16,17 states categorically that it is sinful, and the penalty will be for the man to marry the girl or woman either they like it or not by paying a specific dowry there and then.  If the dad will not accept to give his daughter away the boy/man would still have to pay a fine.

Jesus Christ came to properly interprete the law by saying in Matthew 5:28 That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

He emphasised that the state of heart is as deadly as the act itself (1Sam.16:7;Mk.7:19-23;) and that the continual desiring of the mind that is determined to commit the sexual act if possible (James 1:13-16)

James 1:13-16

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither   tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
 

Verse 16 says:  Do not err, my beloved brethren. This means many have been deceived by thinking that God is the author of sin that compels them to commit sin by saying that pre-marital sex is not sin.  We sin when we are drawn away by our own lust and become enticed.  The only provision for the sexual act has been established in the book of the beginning (Gen.2:23,24) where God instituted the first marriage with our first parents and this was after the first surgical operation under general anaesthesia.  Jesus always referred to the beginning, see Matt.19:5; Mk.10:7; Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in 1Cor.6:16; Eph.5:31

The apostle Paul received a letter about the issues of pre-marital sex and the answers in his  reply spell out how Christians should conduct themselves in 1Cor.7:1-2,7-9  In verse 2 he said to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife and let every woman have her own husband.

1 Corinthians 7
1 NOW AS to the matters of which you wrote me. It is well [and by that I mean advantageous, expedient, profitable, and wholesome] for a man not to touch a woman [to cohabit with her] but to remain unmarried.
2 But because of the temptation to impurity and to avoid immorality, let each [man] have his own wife and let each [woman] have her own husband.
 
7 I wish that all men were like I myself am [in this matter of self-control]. But each has his own special gift from God, one of this kind and one of another.

8 But to the unmarried people and to the widows, I declare that it is well (good, advantageous, expedient, and wholesome) for them to remain [single] even as I do.

9 But if they have not self-control (restraint of their passions), they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame [with passion and tortured continually with ungratified desire].
 
In verse7 and 8 he went on to say to the unmarried and widows to be celibate but if they cannot "hold bodi" that they should get married so as not to allow themselves to burn with lust.  We can learn here that their is no permission for pre-marital sex rather "it is better to marry than to burn"  Those who will not marry and cannot remain celibate until they marry have made sex an idol they cannot delay or do without.  Whatever we cannot do without has become an idol.

@Troynow
Fornication as it is stated in the bible as been properly defined in my last post i wonder were you got your own definition of fornication from.

@OLAADEGBU
Your post makes a lot of sense but what can at best be deduced is that Paul implied that it is better to marry than commit sexual immorality. I would like to believe that if pre-marital sex is a sin there would be clear cut instructions on it in the bible (as in the case of adultery). It as already been established that fornication in the bible does not include premarital sex.

@ poster
 consider these words from Torah

Deu 22:28   "If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are found out,

Deu 22:29   "then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife because he has humbled her; he shall not be permitted to divorce her all his days.

Lev 19:29 Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.

Deu 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Yisrayl, nor a sodomite of the sons of Yisrayl.

Pre-marital Sex is whoredom, If a man takes your virginity then that man is your husband for life. Any thing outside of this is whoredom according to Abba YAHAWAH's Righteous LAW !

Salamah
Yisraylite  




 

@Adekunle Oshob

Please don't bear your ignorance of YAHAWAH'S Law out in public like this,cos you only do yourself a disservice

Must be your guilty conscience speaking, you better go find that young girl whose virginity you stole and marry her sharp! sharp! or you are doomed 
Again here it is

Deu 22:28   "If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are found out,

Deu 22:29   "then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife because he has humbled her; he shall not be permitted to divorce her all his days.

Salamah
Yisraylite

@Yisray.

What does that scripture tell you.

It clearly shows that pre-marital sex is not a sin

@Gamine
don't mind him o'jare

@Mr Israel
My name is not Adekunle so stop guessing! You have succeded in demonstrating your ignorance here. I am glad Gamine has already pointed that out. Do you know the difference between the constituition and the criminal code??(traditions/ culture and commandments) Do you know that the Israelites add their own traditions and culture which is recorded in the bible? And do you realise that there is a difference between religion and culture/tradition? Clearly the scripture you quoted in deuteronomy is not divine. What that scripture means is that if i see a girl i really like and i want to marry her against her wiil, all i have to do is to rape her and then she would be compelled to marry me. Does that sound divine to you?? Or does it even sound like the punishment for a sin? This passage you quoted is clearly jewish tradition of that time and not a commndment from  God.

So, does it mean that all you so-called holier-than-thou people have never ever never ever never (for emphasis) indulged in pre-marital sex?

How many of you posting are even married sef?

@Mr Israel
I can see you have a penchant for quoting the torah out of context and quoting from various versions to suit you biases any way to expose you i am posting the relevant parts of deuteronomy 22 for all to see

Passage Deuteronomy 22:23-29:

   23 “Suppose a man meets a young woman, a virgin who is engaged to be married, and he has sexual intercourse with her. If this happens within a town, 24 you must take both of them to the gates of that town and stone them to death. The woman is guilty because she did not scream for help. The man must die because he violated another man’s wife. In this way, you will purge this evil from among you.

   25 “But if the man meets the engaged woman out in the country, and he rapes her, then only the man must die. 26 Do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no crime worthy of death. She is as innocent as a murder victim. 27 Since the man raped her out in the country, it must be assumed that she screamed, but there was no one to rescue her.

   28 “Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered, 29 he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver.[a] Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives.

Also as a christian i am not bound by the laws of Moses, if you want to keep yourself in bondage that is your problem but just remember to memorize and keep the 613 laws

@ Gamine & Kunle

The Dude will reply when Dude wants to  ,  Why are you  so hateful and angry?    Always looking to argue and fight, Go whore yourselves out all you want because man has been given free moral choices.

Keep YAHAWAH'S LAW of Love ,peace and Unity or don't that's your business and choice, your partner Kunle even calls The Creator's perfect law bondage

Isa 5:20 Woe to those who call evil righteousness, and righteousness evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the Prophets ! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Psa 74:10 O YAHAWAH , how long will the adversary reproach? Will the enemy blaspheme Your NAME  forever?

Yer 6:10 To whom shall I speak and give warning, That they may hear? Indeed their ear is uncircumcised, And they cannot give heed. Behold, the word of YAHAWAH is a reproach to them; They have no delight in it.

Yer 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, And the priests rule by their own power; And My people love to have it so. But what will you do in the end?

Pro 6:23 For the commandment [is] a lamp, And the law a light; Reproofs of instruction [are] the way of life, 

Pro 7:2 Keep my commands and live, And my law as the apple of your eye. 

Pro 13:14 The law of the wise is a fountain of life, To turn one away from the snares of death. 

Pro 28:4 Those who forsake the law praise the wicked, But such as keep the law contend with them.

Yer 6:19 Hear, O earth! Behold, I will certainly bring calamity on this people-- The fruit of their thoughts, Because they have not heeded My words Nor My law, but rejected it


Yer 4:22 "For My people are foolish, They have not known ME. They are silly children, And they have no understanding. They are wise to do evil, But to do righteousness they have no knowledge." 

Ecc 12:13   Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Reverence YAHAWAH and keep His commandments, For this is man's all. 

Ecc 12:14   For YAHAWAH will bring every work into judgment,Including every secret thing,Whether righteousness or evil

Please continue to be stiffnecked and keep calling YAHAWAH's Law bondage   

Salamah

Yisraylite 


 

lol.

such a funny loony

Agree to what

I seriously agree with you. Somebody must be missing from yaba

The Holy Spirit speaks through Paul:

Amplified Bible (AMP)
1 Corinthians 7:1-2,7-9.

1 NOW AS to the matters of which you wrote me. It is well [and by that I mean advantageous, expedient, profitable, and wholesome] for a man not to touch a woman [to cohabit with her] but to remain unmarried.
2 But because of the temptation to impurity and to avoid immorality, let each [man] have his own wife and let each [woman] have her own husband.

7 I wish that all men were like I myself am [in this matter of self-control]. But each has his own special gift from God, one of this kind and one of another.

8 But to the unmarried people and to the widows, I declare that it is well (good, advantageous, expedient, and wholesome) for them to remain [single] even as I do.

9 But if they have not self-control (restraint of their passions), they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame [with passion and tortured continually with ungratified desire].
 

God gives man up to his unrighteosness:

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

Romans 1:28-32 (New King James Version)