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OLAADEGBU (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #672 on: August 20, 2008, 05:06 PM »

Alot of people will be surprised on that Day:

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,
10 Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers and slanderers, nor extortioners and robbers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (Amplified Bible)
KunleOshob (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #673 on: August 20, 2008, 05:19 PM »

Passage Galatians 5:16-26:

Living by the Spirit’s Power
   

   16 So I say, let the Holy Spirit guide your lives. Then you won’t be doing what your sinful nature craves. 17 The sinful nature wants to do evil, which is just the opposite of what the Spirit wants. And the Spirit gives us desires that are the opposite of what the sinful nature desires. These two forces are constantly fighting each other, so you are not free to carry out your good intentions. 18 But when you are directed by the Spirit, you are not under obligation to the law of Moses.

   19 When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

   22 But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!

   24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed the passions and desires of their sinful nature to his cross and crucified them there. 25 Since we are living by the Spirit, let us follow the Spirit’s leading in every part of our lives. 26 Let us not become conceited, or provoke one another, or be jealous of one another.

Yisraylite (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #674 on: August 20, 2008, 06:06 PM »

@Gamine and her fan club( KunleOshob ,Ice_Zik)

Quote from: Gamine on August 20, 2008, 11:29 AM
lol.

such a funny loony

Quite typical  for silly kids like you to resort to name calling when you can't refute the truths written in Torah.

Why not show some bravado and mock the Law Giver instead of the errand boy?


Yer 5:21   'Hear this now, O foolish people, Without understanding, Who have eyes and see not, And who have ears and hear not:


Yer 5:22   Do you not fear Me?' says YAHAWAH. 'Will you not tremble at My presence, Who have placed the sand as the bound of the sea,By a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass beyond it?And though its waves toss to and fro,Yet they cannot prevail; Though they roar, yet they cannot pass over it.

Yer 5:23   But this people has a defiant and rebellious heart;They have revolted and departed.

Yer 5:24   They do not say in their heart,Let us now fear YAHAWAH our FATHER,
Who gives rain, both the former and the latter, in its season.He reserves for us the appointed weeks of the harvest."

Yer 5:25   Your iniquities have turned these things away, And your sins have withheld righteousness  from you.

Isa 48:22 "There is no peace," says YAHAWAH, "for the wicked." 

Isa 57:21 "There is no peace," Says my FATHER, "for the wicked." 

Isa 59:8 The way of peace they have not known, And there is no justice in their ways; They have made themselves crooked paths; Whoever takes that way shall not
know peace



Now go wallow in your ignorance and keep laughing at your own foolishness


Yisraylite  Sad
Gamine (f)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #675 on: August 20, 2008, 06:09 PM »

You cant even Copy and Paste Correctly.

Well, i never called you names.

i only spoke the truth  Undecided
OLAADEGBU (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #676 on: August 20, 2008, 06:16 PM »

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his.  And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

2 Timothy 2:19 (King James Version)
OlowoTee (f)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #677 on: August 20, 2008, 06:32 PM »

@KunleOsho and @Gamine

 May I ask you this question (So sorry, I couldn't read through the whole thread to fully understand the gist), but from the few I've read, It's obvious you two are giving different definition to fornication and Pre-Marital Sex. What then is Fornication and Pre-marital Sex?

I see the later as a subset of the former.   .   .hence, both are sinful and contrary to the will of GOD.



Gamine (f)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #678 on: August 20, 2008, 07:33 PM »

Fornication is having multiple sex partners

God only intended for us to have one, a life-long committed partner.

Whether you term it marriage or not


The bible speaks about a Married person committing fornication

so what will you say about that.

This is the view i see from the bible.
uniquelove (f)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #679 on: August 20, 2008, 07:44 PM »

It is
Yisraylite (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #680 on: August 20, 2008, 10:02 PM »

@ Gamine

You are fornicating with your dead Elohim(Gods) right now, so how then can you understand my speech?

Eze 23:7 Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their Gods(Elohim) she defiled herself. 

Eze 23:8 Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her.



You do not speak according to the Law & the Prophets so there is no light in you,


Isa 8:19   And when they say to you, "Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter," should not a people seek their FATHER ? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living?

Isa 8:20   To the law and to the Prophets! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

you therefore are morally bankrupt and are not a sincere seeker of  YAHAWAH'S Ancient knowledge, so from now I shall no more cast YAHAWAH'S pearls on Swine such as yourself.

Isa 57:21 "There is no peace," Says my FATHER, "for the wicked."


so it's good riddance to bad rubbish Sad

ezer (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #681 on: August 20, 2008, 10:51 PM »

Quote from: Gamine on August 20, 2008, 07:33 PM
Fornication is having multiple sex partners

i'll score u 10%. fornication is a consensual intercourse between 2 persons not married to each other

God only intended for us to have one, a life-long committed partner.

Whether you term it marriage or not

dont mis quote God ma friend

The bible speaks about a Married person committing fornication

so what will you say about that.

That's called adultery

This is the view i see from the bible.

dont think so Undecided
ezer (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #682 on: August 20, 2008, 11:06 PM »

there's nothing to argue about here. The word fornication is used for consensual intercourse between 2 persons not married to each other. On the other hand, pre-marital sex is consensual intercourse between two persons before they get married. So what are u guys arguing about, they are the same thing. Undecided
If a married man/woman involves in sexual intercourse outside his/her married home, it is called adultery.

betterstill, u can use pre-marital sex for 2 persons intending to get married but do have sex, whilst fornication can be used for everyday, u know Cheesy

U all should know this

@gamine and yisraylite
stop the arguements and insults.
Yisraylite (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #683 on: August 21, 2008, 12:09 AM »

@ ezer

Thanx for the peace making effort Bros,

If Gamine disagrees then let her say I disagree with you Yisraylite, but instead she resorts to calling me a funny looney, so exactly what  is funny about being obedient children to our FATHER with regards to His Laws of Peace , Love and Unity? , I'D like to think that when it comes to matters of Faith, we should all consider it a serious matter concerning one's eternal life or eternal destruction, so her jesting ain't going to fly  Angry , Sorry I ain't no Christian,I'm like  my soon to be resurrected Warrior King Dawad

Hos 3:5   Afterward the children of Yisrayl shall return and seek YAHAWAH their FATHER and Dawad(David) their king. And will Reverence YAHAWAH and His Righteousness in the latter days.
   
Yer(Jeremiah) 30:9   But they shall serve YAHAWAH   their Father, and Dawad(David) their king, WHOM I WILL RAISE UP FOR THEM 

Zec 12:8   "In that day YAHAWAH will defend the inhabitants of Yahrushalayim(Jerusalem); the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like Dawad(David), and the house of Dawad(David) shall be like YAHAWAH, like the Malak(Angel) of YAHAWAH before them 



(I don't turn the cheek) so if she comes at me like that, I'll try to knock her head off, figuratively speaking !!! I may be lowly but with YAHAWAH'S TORAH I'll take down any want to be intellectual gaints(Goliaths) that come at me the wrong way here in Nairaland!

Salamah Ezer Smiley

Yis

Gamine (f)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #684 on: August 21, 2008, 09:12 AM »

Im not Arguing with this guy Undecided

Neither did i throw an insult.

Im stating what the Bible says, take it or leave it alone
Yisraylite (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #685 on: August 21, 2008, 09:22 AM »

@ Gamine
Where did your Bible state that Yisraylite is a funny Looney? Please post the verse for all to see  Huh
KunleOshob (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #686 on: August 21, 2008, 09:43 AM »

Just popped in to say hi to Mr ISRAEL Cool
OLAADEGBU (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #687 on: August 21, 2008, 10:44 AM »

Hebrews 10:24-31 (King James Version)

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Yisraylite (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #688 on: August 21, 2008, 10:44 AM »

@ KunleOshob

If your greeting is  truely from your heart and of a right intent,then you would show your fellow man some respect by spelling my name properly instead of willfully distorting it as I have pointed out to you earlier?

I sense that you still under the spirit of mockery, so please reserve your fake greetings for your nairaland crew !  Sad

Gamine (f)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #689 on: August 21, 2008, 10:58 AM »

ROTFLSH!!!! Grin Grin

Did you see me mention that Funny Looney is from the bible??? Undecided

im stating what the bible says concerning Fornication o Undecided
KunleOshob (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #690 on: August 21, 2008, 11:18 AM »

Quote from: Yisraylite on August 21, 2008, 10:44 AM
@ KunleOshob

If your greeting is  truely from your heart and of a right intent,then you would show your fellow man some respect by spelling my name properly instead of willfully distorting it as I have pointed out to you earlier?

I sense that you still under the spirit of mockery, so please reserve your fake greetings for your nairaland crew !  Sad


Bros i didn't know that was your name i thought it was just your I.D sorry Oh!!!!

what a weird name phew
OLAADEGBU (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #691 on: August 21, 2008, 11:22 AM »

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?  God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein"?


                                                                                                 Romans 6:1-2
OLAADEGBU (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #692 on: August 21, 2008, 11:28 AM »

 "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."

                                                                                                          James 4:17 (KJV)

OLAADEGBU (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #693 on: August 21, 2008, 11:35 AM »

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."
                                                                                                        Galatians 6:7 (KJV)
KunleOshob (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #694 on: August 21, 2008, 11:39 AM »

@OLAADEGBU
Stop spamming this thread, you can summarize all your copy and paste in one post Angry
minute (f)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #695 on: August 21, 2008, 11:40 AM »

To each his own,you are welcome to believe what you want to believe.

Just dont pass judegment on people who dont fit your veiws.
Yisraylite (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #696 on: August 21, 2008, 11:58 AM »

@ KunleOshob

Whether name or ID, it doesn't matter, KunleOshob is your name and ID, and I respected it when you corrected me ! That's my point  Smiley


Salamah

Yisraylite
Gamine (f)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #697 on: August 21, 2008, 12:01 PM »

It can never be to each his own!

If it aint Biblical, it aint right!
KunleOshob (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #698 on: August 21, 2008, 12:20 PM »

YISRAYLITE Grin Grin Grin hope you are happy now Wink
minute (f)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #699 on: August 21, 2008, 12:20 PM »

Not every one has the same beliefs that you do.

It is only a sin if you believe it is.

How do know your veiws are even right?

Please dont answer the question by saying the bible said so.
Gamine (f)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #700 on: August 21, 2008, 12:24 PM »

I know not everyone's belief is my belief and yada yada yada. . . .

But, as a Christian , one should Live by the Word of God.

As another , whatever name  or religon you may subscribe to, you can live anyhow you want.

But im pretty sure this is in the Christianity Section
Undecided
minute (f)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #701 on: August 21, 2008, 12:28 PM »

Yeah right.

Moshi ona nio. im out!
OLAADEGBU (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #702 on: August 21, 2008, 12:36 PM »



"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do."


                                                                                           Hebrews 4:12-13(KJV)
Yisraylite (m)
Re: Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« #703 on: August 21, 2008, 12:43 PM »

@ Gamine

 Huh which Holy Bible are you referring to? The one with 66 books or the one with 70 books, what about the lost books? they ain't lost no more, what version? The king of England's version?(James) or the NIV, ESV, Young's, ASV etc

Do you see any probelms developing here? the all the confusion here, the KJV is King Jame's version of the latin translation of the ancient Torah with a whole new book added called the New testament. There is only one version of Torah the Original and the Dead sea scroll support this account

You guys keep going on like you own christianity when Mary and Jesus just came to Nigeria b/w the 14th and 15th century

From Wiki

Christianity came to Nigeria in the 14th century through Augustine and Capuchine monks from Portugal. The first mission of the Church of England was, though, only established in 1842 in Badagry by Henry Townsend. In 1864 Samuel Ajayi Crowther, a Yoruba and former Slave, was elected bishop of the Niger. Lagos became a diocese of its own in 1919.

Leslie Gordon Vining became bishop of Lagos in 1940 and in 1951 the first Archbishop of the newly inaugurated Province of West Africa. Vining was the last bishop of Lagos of European descent.

Prior to this there was no Jesus in Nigeria, This is a European religion brought to you by the church of England and King James

Ain't this what's written:

Pro 30:6 Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar

Deu 4:2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of YAHAWAH your FATHER which I command you.  

Deu 12:32 "Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it

Ecc 3:14   I know that whatever YAHAWAH does,It shall be forever. Nothing can be added to it, and nothing taken from it.
YAHAWAH does it, that men should fear before Him.

Jos 1:8   "This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate in it day and night, that you may observe to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success


The Book of the Law is not the New testament. Did your christ quote from the new testament when he supposedly said for " it is written"
written where?

what book did your founder of christianity Paul quote from? Are his writtings letters or new commandment?

I look forward to your sincere and earnest response to these questions, and no name calling this time. let's just get to the issue


You can't blame Minute for making those comments, this is what Christianity teaches, Any society that does not have rules and laws becomes lawless

so if christianity teaches that the law is nailed to the cross then there is no standard for Judgment yet  xtians claim that Christ is coming to judge the world,
so I ask , With what Law or standard is he going to carry out his so called Judgment?

Have you been to a court of Law? by what standards does the judge rule on a law suit?

Yisraylite
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