Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication

@KunleOshob

Your ignorance is painfully obvious. I guess in your world Moses was Charleston Heston . Silly child, the word Jew dosen't even exist in the Torah. The letter J is not in the hebrew alphabet, so who the hell is a Jew?. Don't let the white man's langauge make a complete fool of you. The letter J was one of the last letters added to the English langauge and was invented b/w the 14-16th century. Do your self a favor discuss a topic your fluent with,because when it comes to this I own it.

Was Abraham a Jew? by today's standard Ab-ra-ham(father of Ham which is a multitude of African nations) would have been born in Iraq not Russia, young stuff!. You've let these Europeans corrupt your thinking with geneology. What does geneology have to do with keeping Abba YAHAWAH'S LAW? Ab-ra-ham was a pagan who was from Urr of the Chaldees in Mesopotamia. Born to a father(terrah) who worshiped babylonian gods until he was called by YAHAWAH to come out of Babylon.

Gen 11:26 Now Terah lived seventy years, and begot Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

Yah(Jos) 24:2 And Yahshua said to all the people, "Thus says YAHAWAH the FATHER of Yisrayl: 'Your fathers, including Terah, the father of Abraham and the father of Nahor, dwelt on the other side of the River* in old times; and they served hinder gods


[b]By your demented reasoning Abraham too was an imposter since genetically speaking he wasn't from Europe. Can you trace your family tree to Rome? to the Vatican? Since you brainnlessly follow the dogma of the mother church just to justify you false claims of being christian (or whatever you call your self)

You really aren't as smart as I initially gave you credit for [/b]

Which part of the above verse don't you understand?


Know what you're talking about before making utterly foolish & ignorant statements.

As for the Jews or Yiddish people, They are eastern Europeans who have perpetrated a world wide falsehood and deception by claiming to be YAHAWAH'S chosen people



As you can see, the above map shows the original home land of these Jewish impostors,

the guy that wrote the book THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE  Arthur Koestler was a Jew who exposed the lies of his people(Jewish people or Kharzars) and was murdered in 1983 if I'm not mistaken, right outside his house in London for exposing the truth about these people who claim to be the chosen people

Most Jews today claim they are ashkenazi so check this out

Gen 10:1   NOW this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Yapheth. And sons were born to them after the flood.

Gen 10:2   The sons of Yapheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Yavan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.

Gen 10:3   The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath,[fn1] and Togarmah.

Gen 10:4   The sons of Yavan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.[fn2]

Gen 10:5   From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.

Today most  scholars will tell you that GOG or MAGOG  are the Russian people. These Europeans are the Gentiles not us Africans as they have falsely tried to proport us to be.

Since you want to flex like you are an authority on a subject you know absolutely nothing about, I shall proceed to school you on this issue that I live everyday.

Read ma little brother,because knowledege is power !!

Finally Available To ALL - Absolute Historical Proof : Jews are not Israelites!

Research Proves "Jews" are non-Israelite Asiatics!

DATELINE USA. (1977) -- In 1976 Random House published a book that should have hit the Christian Churches like a blockbuster, but instead they chose totally to ignore it. It dealt with the racial origin of the people in Communist and Christian countries who call themselves "Jews," and whom the Churches (and the Jews themselves) generally insist are "God's Chosen People," the Israelite descendants of Abraham. Since the late 1800's a small number of Bible Scholars, who were also students of History and Racial origins, have insisted the Church denominations were wrong; that instead of being Israelites, these Jews from Eastern Europe and Western Asia were descended from Mongolians and other Asiatic peoples who had adopted Judaism as their "religion" over 1,000 years ago and had become know as "Jews." These Bible scholars were ignored or condemned, and often called "cultists" or "anti-Semites."

Now, after many years of research, a well-known Jewish author, Arthur Koestler has published a 255 page book titled THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE in which he proves the same point; i.e. that these Eastern European "Jews" are neither Israelites nor "Semites," but are instead Khazars, Mongols, and Huns! Most major newspapers and magazines reviewed the book during 1976. Also, Random House, the publisher, advertised it extensively and began some of their ads with the following headline: WHAT IF MOST JEWS AREN'T REALLY SEMITES AT ALL? In addition, Random House quoted the following reviews:

"Mr. Koestler's excellent book, Is as readable as it is thought-provoking. Nothing could be more stimulating than the skill, elegance and erudition with which he marshals his facts and develops his theories, " Fitzroy Maclean, New York Times Book Review.

"You do not have to be Jewish to be interested,  Are today's Western Jews really ethnic, Semitic, Biblical Jews, or are most of them descendants of converted Khazars?, This compact, interesting book, examines tragic-ironic implications in [this question] for modern history, It should fascinate." --Edmund Fuller, Wall Street Journal

"Koestler marshals the evidence in a clear and convincing way. He tells a good story, pulling together materials from medieval Muslims and Jewish travelers, scholarly controversy and the mysterious lore of the Khazars." --Raymond Sokolov, Newsweek

Robert Kirsch of the Los Angeles Times stated in his lengthy review that 'Arthur Koestler publicizes with his customary skills a daring hypothesis: that THE KHAZAR JEWS MIGRATED TO POLAND AND BECAME THE FOREBEARS OF EASTERN EUROPEAN JEWRY, ' Then Kirsch quoted Prof. A. N. Poliak of Tel Aviv University, who stated that "The large majority of world Jewry is descended from the Jews of Khazaria." Then he again quoted Koestler in THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE, "If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the Volga; not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race; and that GENETICALLY THEY ARE MORE RELATED TO THE HUN, UIGUR, AND MAGYAR TRIBES THAN TO THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB, " (emphasis added) We cannot stress enough how absolutely imperative it is for all Christian Americans to consider the startling proof in Arthur Koestler's book that today's Jews are not Israelites. The Jewish influence on American life has reached such a stage that no student of contemporary history can ignore it. Not only the news media are Jewish monopolies, but top positions in the US. government are largely filled by Eastern European Jews. The magazine and book publishing houses are in Jewish hands; and movies, television, and the other entertainment industries are dominated by Jews in all phases. America's government and most of her people's sources of information are controlled and directed by Jews. If these people were really "God's Chosen People," perhaps Americans would have little cause for concern -- BUT WHAT IF THEY ARE REALLY THE "HUNS" AND THEREFORE THE ANCIENT ENEMIES OF CHRISTENDOM? Since many Americans may not have an opportunity to read Koestler's book, we shall herewith submit our own index-style review.

THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE
(by Arthur Koestler, Random House)


THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE proves beyond doubt that modern Jews are not Biblical Israelites. Every church member in America should insist that his Pastor investigate these claims. Are our Jewish politicians, publishers, movie makers, and opinion molders God's "Chosen People"? Or are they Mongol and Hun infiltrators of Christendom?

Is The Jews' "Chosen People" Masquerade Finally Over?

Shortly after World War I, Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company, assembled a staff of experts in Detroit to conduct research on the European Jews who had been entering America in large numbers since the 1880's. Ford provided the staff with several million dollars for this research, and in 1923 he published the results in a four-volume work titled "THE INTERNATIONAL JEW." It was Henry Ford's conclusion that very few of these people who called themselves "Jews" were descendants of the Bible Israelites. Ford further proved that these Jews, using all sorts of crimes while under the cloak of being the Chosen People of the Bible, were rapidly taking economic and political control of America. In the religious field, Ford claimed THE JEWS HAD SECRETLY GAINED CONTROL OF MOST PROTESTANT SEMINARIES AND CHRISTIAN BOOK- PUBLISHING HOUSES and had been able to remove almost all criticism of Jews from Christian literature. In summing up his findings, Henry Ford stated, "The Jews are not the Chosen People, though practically the entire Church has succumbed to the propaganda which declares them to be so." Ford's book caused a furor for a few years but soon disappeared from colleges, universities, and public libraries and became unobtainable at any price. The Churches continued to teach "The Jews are God's Chosen People, Israel," and the (by then) Jewish-dominated news media began to refer to Jews always as Israelites. Anyone opposing the increasing Jewish control of the nations was immediately branded "anti-Semitic;" and Jewish dominated Seminaries taught new ministers to quote Genesis 12:1-3 and sternly warn their flocks that anyone speaking unfavorably of the Jews would be "cursed by God." Jewish control of American society, politics, and religions continued to increase.

In 1951 retired US. Military Intelligence Officer, Col. John Beaty, published a scholarly 265-page book IRON CURTAIN OVER AMERICA. In it Col. Beaty gave overwhelming evidence this strange Race of Eastern European "Jews" were actually Khazar and Mongol Asiatics and had no racial ancestory in Israel at all.

He then proved that by 1951 these "Jews" had a stranglehold on American politics, on Banking and Credit, on all sources of news, on the entertainment industry, on America's education system, and that they were the predominant race as judges, lawyers, doctors, and in organized crime. The Jewish news media refused to review the book, Jewish book dealers refused to handle it, Christian book stores ignored it, and only a few thousand copies were distributed. Most Americans never heard of IRON CURTAIN OVER AMERICA. Now, because of renewed interest, both THE INTERNATIONAL JEW (in an abridged edition) and IRON CURTAIN OVER AMERICA have been reprinted and are available. (See ordering information below). The latest, and perhaps the most succinct book on this subject, is ISRAEL'S 5 TRILLION DOLLAR SECRET by Col. Curtis B. Dall, former son-in-law of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and a personal acquaintance of many high officials in the US. Govern ment since the 1930's. Col. Dall lives and works in the Washington, D. C. area, and his book, published in 1977. Col. Dall proves again, from reliable sources, that the Jews are NOT Israelites. In fact, Col. Dall calls their masquerade as "Israel" the greatest "hoax" of the last centuries! It should be read by every non-Jew.

You now know their false identity as "Israel" protects these "Jews" from being exposed as aliens and as anti-Americans. Read the books below. Give this sheet to your Minister. Tell him to preach the truth - or resign! Most preaching today is based on the "Jew-Israel" myth, and it is false.

Link or Source http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

So genious, do yourself a favor, go read before you start making retarded assertions,if not, your ignorance shall be your downfall. Quit being a hater,because you can't be like me
besides I knew your greetings were fake and your words have proven me to be correct.

Now go wallow in your willful lawlessness and remove my name from your mouth

Yisraylite

@KunleOshob



Its obvious you can't respond with facts. Did you even read the post before blindly responding?


Shortly after World War I, Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company, assembled a staff of experts in Detroit to conduct research on the European Jews who had been entering America in large numbers since the 1880's. Ford provided the staff with several million dollars for this research, and in 1923 he published the results in a four-volume work titled "THE INTERNATIONAL JEW." It was Henry Ford's conclusion that very few of these people who called themselves "Jews" were descendants of the Bible Israelites.

I bet you missed that one Don't let your pride get in the way of knowledge youngster! read the origin of your false region in Nigeria

The growth of the Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion) since the end of the Slave Trade has been a very rapid one.
It is interesting to know that within two centuries, Christianity and indeed Anglicanism, which started like child's play in Badagry, and Abeokuta has spread like wild fire to all nooks and crannies of our country Nigeria.
Christianity came into Nigeria in the 15th century through the efforts of Augustinan and Capuchin monks from Portugal. However, it was not until 1842 that Henry Townsend of the Church Missionary Society sowed the seed of Anglicanism properly when he landed in Badagry from Freetown Sierra Leone.
After their ordination in England in 1842, the Revd. Henry Townsend and the Revd. Samuel Ajayi Crowther (a Yoruba ex-slave) returned to Abeokuta. With the untiring efforts of these evangelists, Nigerians began to believe in Jesus as the Lord and Saviour of the entire world. And so, on December 25, 1842 in Abeokuta, Nigerians were able to celebrate for the very first time, the glorious annunciation that the Saviour, who is Christ the Lord, was born.They gave glory to God Almighty, experiencing the peace and joy of the Lord; Anglicanism had been born in Nigeria.
In 1846 the Revd. Samuel Ajayi Crowther, the Revd. Henry Townsend, in company the Revd. Colmer and Mr. Phillips worked together to consolidate the CMS Yoruba Mission.

I guess these are your ancestors who handed you christianity

The Torah's african history has been established and starts from Genesis chapter 2, whereas your christianity was brought to you by the same people who once enslaved our people The Church of England.

Are you an English man genious ? or are you a Greco-Roman? You probably think I printed all those ancient maps that show West Africa was known as Lower Ethiopia "You can lead a donkey to the stream ,but you can't force it to drink"

I truely wonder who' s the one hallucinating  Very sad indeed !!!!  I'll call a spade a spade. You really are behaving like a silly child, A grown up would take heed to facts not the emotional rubbish you keep spewing in light of the facts that are in your face.

Again get my name out of your mouth,since you can not disprove me with factual evidence.

Yisraylite

Pre-marital sex is the key to marital bliss 

Take a test drive before you buy 

Dont end up with something you don't like to drive 

What have the Jews got to do with poking your wife or girlfriend? 

Good point!! do you guys know how many marriages have broken down becos of sexual incompatibilty If i am going to be stuck with someone for life, i think it makes sense i sample the goods b4 buying
Getting married to someone you don't enjoy sex with would definitely lead to a lifetime of adultery which is worse than pre-marital sex.

Haa

KunleOshob,

i dont feel you on that one o!

testing goods

Ehen.

Thats True MARRIAGE

for once i agree with you!!

That was on a lighter note ma dear

@ KunleOshob

Men! such a pest, Learn something or go away already!!!

Yer 5:22   Do you not fear Me?' says YAHAWAH. 'Will you not tremble at My presence, Who have placed the sand as the bound of the sea,By a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass beyond it?And though its waves toss to and fro,Yet they cannot prevail; Though they roar, yet they cannot pass over it.

Isa 42:8 I am YAHAWAH, that is My NAME; And My glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to carved images.

Isa 48:11 For My own sake, I will do it; For how should My Name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to another

Mal 2:2 If you will not hear, And if you will not take it to heart, To give glory to My Name," Says YAHAWAH of hosts, "I will send a curse upon you, And I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have cursed them already, because you do not take it to heart.

Deu 32:39 'Now see that I, even I , am He, And there is no God (EL) with  Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.

How can you give glory to a FATHER that you don't know? Remember you got upset because you thought I was guessing your name   

Ah ha!    So how do you think Abba feels about His Divine Name. Again you prove your ignorance of Abba YAHAWAH'S Word, silly child


As for your God OLUORUN a.k.a OLODUMARE ,this is his fate for this is What Abba has decreed for all the Gods of the Earth

1 Chron 16:26 for all the Gods (Elohim) of the people are demons: but YAHAWAH made the heavens.

Yer 10:11 thus you shall say to them: "The gods (elohim) that have not made the heavens and the
earth shall perish from the earth and from under these heavens."

Psa 95:3 For you O YAHAWAH, are our Almighty Heavenly Father, and a Great King above all gods(elohim).

Psa 96:4 For YAHAWAH is Great, and Greatly to be praised: He is to be Reverenced above all gods (elohim).

Psa 97:9 For You, O YAHAWAH are the Most High above all the earth: You are exalted above every god (el)

Zep 2:11 YHWH will be awesome to them, For He will reduce to nothing all the gods of the earth; People shall worship Him, Each one from his place, Indeed all the shores of the nations


Salamah
Yisraylite

@KunleOshob

Ha ha ha ha Lol !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At least you've got my Name and  Abba YAHAWAH's Name right

Thanks for all the compliments, It confirms that at least somethings that have been said have cut to your core and have been embeded in your psyche 

Cheers!! By the way I'm way worse than any muslim 

Salamah
Yisraylite 

@ Gami

Go answer my questions if you can Confucius!!

Pro 11:12 He that is void of wisdom despiseth his neighbour: but a man of understanding holdeth his peace

Psa 119:126 It is time for You YAHAWAH to work: for they have made void Your  law. 

Pro 7:7 And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding (KunleOshob)

Deu 32:28 For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them.




I wonder from what circus you two clowns escaped from. I stand alone here in Nairaland and none of you jokers can refute Abba YAHAWAH'S LAWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
So just make like the  magicians that you both are and disappear!!! poof!! be gone

Yisraylite

@ KunleOshob

Pro 7:7 And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding (KunleOshob)

 

Yep !  Doomsday Prophet and I do have dreadlocks , I love this one very much ! Thanks again 

Yisraylite

@ latoya

Divorce is only allowed when a man committs adultry and on other major grounds. u cannot marry a wife and divorce her for not washing the dishes, then go marry someone else and then sleep with her, that is FORNICATION ! Fornication is sexual intercourse between a man and woman who are not married, or any form of sexual behaviour considered to be immoral basically. so i will highly suggest you don't justify yourself with all this worldy things, do the right things because it written in black and white, fornication is a sin !!!


All these while, i didn't really want to utter a word cos personally i dont get the point,
everyone think they have a point but they really dont have any fact to buttress it
this world has turned into something else that sentiments have an [color=#000099][b]upper hand in our everyday.
the poster above have tried so much to sway trini with the good book but to my greatest chagrin she has the above to say. sorry
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mattew 5:32 has this to say;

  But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery


mattew 15:19 has this to say;

   For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

  These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

mattew 19:9 has this to say;

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

now, from the above, which biblical injunction justifies this phrase of yours

''Divorce is only allowed''
Never has Divorce been allowed in the good book.

i guess you are a fan of Pastor Chris Okotie who married a divorcee and wishes  God to grant him a furlough and bless his marriage, anyway, his mercies endureth foreva
i didnt hear 'AMEN'

i have a word of advice, please if you see a thread and you feel it is disputable
please for God's sake, do so with real facts.

@ trini girl,

i suspect you must be a school teacher to have had time to educate plebians and tabularasers in this forum.
Anyway, i blame you for starting a well articulated and educative thread like this and eventually, capitulating to the hullabaloos of some ignoramus here.

before i tell you this, i will like to reiterate here that minors join us here so, dont be spooked
when you get showered with abuses.

they missed your point entirely and unfortunately you started arguing in lieu of their misconception
Now listen;

what you said was a biblical issue and you preferred to justify it otherwise
by tracing the origin of the word that was wrong
secondly, they pushed you to the wall to accept that pre-marital sex is not a sin which you never meant, or even insinuated abinitio now, they are using it against you not just to mock you but also to use it as a stand point to derail from your primary focus.
i feel for you because you simply ran out of ideas.
''well done my lady''

The QUESTION is this; IS FORNICATION SAME AS PREMARITAL SEX? very simple
how did the issue of sin come into it?

Ezekiel 16: 15 has this to say;

But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the [color=#000099][b]harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.


Ezekiel 16:26 also has the following;

 26Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger.


  29Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied therewith.

   30How weak is thine heart, saith the LORD GOD, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman;


also jude 1:7 says

 7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Rev also has a nice input

 2For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
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what can you deduce from all these?

In the good book,God has an outright condemnation for FORNICATION  but the issue here is  can  premarital sex with one partner be likened to FORNICATION

the answer is a big [color=#990000][b]NO

this doesn't mean that premarital sex with one partner is not a sin , i think that is where you guys forced Trini girl to accept what she never meant;

the bible passages above though did not explicitly define fornication but its usage was synonymous to WHORES ,PROSTITUTES and HARLOTS
meaning that the people who commit premarital sex with several partners or prostitutes commiteth FORNICATION this is so clear and simple unless you dont know the meaning of the above words which i can still oblige you


About if it is a sin to have premarital sex the Answer is capital YES
but on this verge i will like to lay an emphasis

in the 10 commandments, the good book was explicit when it said
''THOU SHALL NOT STEAL''
meaning a thief is a sinner.

Somewhere i cant remember @ the moment, the good book said
''ALL LIARS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN''
SOME TRANSLATIONS HAVE IT AS ''LYING TONGUES''.

meaning; lying is not just a sin but partakers will equally not inherit the kingdom of heaven
In that case, the later is not just a sin but also has a defined penalty.

FORNICATION is a sin with outright punishment so, since it CANNOT be likened to PRE-MARITAL sex(which is still a sin) is then left for God to decide the punishment to be meted to perpetrators
so stop killing yourselves and stay FAITHFUL
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this topic is going out of hand.

There is nothing that some women will not try just to justify their immoral and loose life lifestyles. Maybe they think if they can convince human beings, then that will nullify God's word.

Let them keep fornicating and they have their rewards awaiting them

my friend so if u break up with that boyfriend and get another boyfriend and have sex with him,  monogamous or not thats still means you've  had multiple sex partners. Lets just call it wat it is,  fornication with a capital 'F'! Idon't even know how people especially girls can keep giving themselves over and over and over and not feel 'dirty' about it,

THE BIBLE SAID ; "LET THERE BE MARRIAGE AND THE BED UNDEFILED". SO AGAIN WE HEAR GOD TELLING TO US THAT WHAT HE DESIRE IS A MARRIAGE THAT HAS NOT BEING STAINED WITH A DEFILED BED. GOD HATE FORNICATION, HE CREATED SEX FOR THE MARRIED ALONE AND NO ONE ELSE. IT IS WELL. FORNICATION IS WRONG.