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davidylan (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #128 on: January 29, 2007, 03:22 AM »

once again, our politically correct world comes up with another word! Fatism indeed!
Donzman (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #129 on: January 29, 2007, 03:23 AM »

Quote from: ThiefOfHearts on January 29, 2007, 03:16 AM
mellable, meaning you wnat to be able to beat them up. aint happening kid.

4 Play, thought Nigerians liked their women "fat"

Haha. . . I knew you'll think that, you have strong feminist tendencies, thank God you weren't born in the 60's.

I think of malleable as being able to absorb pressure and stress without breaking. Cheesy Cheesy
davidylan (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #130 on: January 29, 2007, 03:24 AM »

Quote from: Uche2nna on January 29, 2007, 03:21 AM
@ David  Whatever is being portrayed as Africa today is not entirely wrong. As a matter of fact that is the condition that 80% of Africans find themselves. Now how is that racism if U are pointing out the inadequacies and the stupidity of our leaders even if the person doing the pointing is a white man

Maybe we should remind them that those pointing fingers put us in this mess themselves!
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #131 on: January 29, 2007, 03:29 AM »

Quote from: Uche2nna on January 29, 2007, 03:21 AM

@ David  Whatever is being portrayed as Africa today is not entirely wrong.
As a matter of fact that is the condition that 80% of Africans find themselves. Now how is that racism if U are pointing out the inadequacies and the stupidity of our leaders even if the person doing the pointing is a white man

You ought to read these articles for some reality check  Undecided

inventing Africa:
[url]http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1155
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How AIDS was overstated.

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/05/AR2006040502517.html
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The first one is more shocking. And I no longer blame ignorant Americans for thinking Africa is some place filled with backward lazy thiefing savages.
These stuff affect how Africa is being portrayed today.


davidylan (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #132 on: January 29, 2007, 03:31 AM »

thanks Wes, a lot of people seem to dream of a fantasyland where racism shall be no more
Donzman (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #133 on: January 29, 2007, 03:36 AM »

Reminds me of a story my Geo. teacher was telling us the other day. His professor boldly stated in class that African can sleep with their mothers/father's wives without negative connotations. As a TA he went to confront the prof. as to where he got this information from, the prof. claimed it was from a book that was written in 1963. Why a professor will make such a statement in class without adequate information is dumbfounding to say the least.

Apparently most of these guys have never visited Africa, they do not know what goes on but feel informed enough to write about it anyway. It's like coming to America, watching Nancy Grace on CNN Headline News and concluding that Americans sleep with kids on a daily basis.
4 Play (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #134 on: January 29, 2007, 03:37 AM »

@Wesleyan

There is nothing particularly racist about those issues.It mirrors simply the universal tendency amongst activist groups to exagerate a problem in other to elicit attention towards the problem

This is reflected in a host of issues such as global warming,bird flu,global poverty e.t.c

Some of these exagerated reports are put out by Africans.

Yes it does paint us in a bad light but there is no way most of it is motivated by racism .

Uche2nna (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #135 on: January 29, 2007, 03:40 AM »

I can't go pointing fingers at anybody when our leaders are not helping matters. If some issues were overstated or overestimated, how does it detract from the fact that Africa has serious issues. That to me is not racism , that to me is the reality. There was a time when China was portrayed as hungry nation. Now if that was just borne out of mischief or racism, then they would still be seen in that light today. They took what everybody believed was a kink in their armour and turned it to t6hier greates weapon. As far as Africa continues to have visionless leaders then we will be giving the media a lot to report on and there is no guarantee that some news item will not be blown out of proportion.
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #136 on: January 29, 2007, 03:41 AM »

Quote from: 4 Play on January 29, 2007, 03:37 AM
@Wesleyan

There is nothing particularly racist about those issues.It mirrors simply the universal tendency amongst activist groups to exagerate a problem in other to elicit attention towards the problem

This is reflected in a host of issues such as global warming,bird flu,global poverty e.t.c

Some of these exagerated reports are put out by Africans.

Yes it does paint us in a bad light but there is no way most of it is motivated by racism .



Tell me you're not being serious.  Huh Huh
did you read the articles?
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #137 on: January 29, 2007, 03:46 AM »

As nationalism swept across Africa in the early '60s, the New York Times sent Homer Bigart, the famous two-time Pulitzer-winning reporter, to cover the transition. In Ghana, Bigart wasn't impressed by independence hero Kwame Nkrumah, as a letter he sent to foreign editor Emanuel Freedman in January 1960 reveals:

"I'm afraid I cannot work up any enthusiasm for the emerging republics. The politicians are either crooks or mystics. Dr. Nkrumah is a Henry Wallace in burnt cork. I vastly prefer the primitive bush people. After all, cannibalism may be the logical antidote to this population explosion everyone talks about."



In a letter from Nigeria dated June 5, 1967, Garrison complained bitterly that "tribal" scenarios had been inserted into the edited version of his story, which had been published on May 31, 1967 in the newspaper: "The reference to 'small pagan tribes dressed in leaves' is slightly misleading and could, because of its startling quality, give the reader the impression there are a lot of tribes running around half naked," Garrison wrote to the foreign desk. He protested the numerous uses of the derogative term "tribes" in his story, and added: "Tribesmen connote the grass-leaves image. Plus tribes equals primitive, which in a country like Nigeria just doesn't fit, and is offensive to African readers who know damn well what unwashed American and European readers think when they stumble on the word." Garrison noted that the insertion "invites the image of savages dancing around the fire."

Editorial insertions of stereotypes and fabrications into a Times reporter's copy extended at least into the 1980s. Consider the case of Lelyveld, who completed two tours as a correspondent in South Africa. In the '60s he was expelled by Pretoria for suspected socialist leanings; he returned as the Times' correspondent during the 1980s.



even one of the guys who went to Africa to do the reporting complained that the Newspaper twisted his words.
The first reporter was a blatant racist as you can read.


That's why you need to take most of those books with a grain of salt. And those are the books people use and follow like Donzman said.
I even read a review for a recent book in Amazon. And i can't belief that the author still managed to fabricate stuff in the new millenium about Africa.

WesleyanA (f)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #138 on: January 29, 2007, 03:50 AM »

Also as you can see, using tribes to describe African ethnicities is derogatory. And they are still being widely used up to date.
but you won't hear anyone refering to Asian, European or American ethnic groups as "tribes"

Tribes are now used almost exclusively with Africa.

yoruba "tribe" (mind you, this "tribe" has over 40 million people worldwide. how is it a tribe?)


I'm not saying things are going perfect in countries in Africa, just that the situation is blown out of proportion.
It affects how blacks are looked upon worldwide too.
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #139 on: January 29, 2007, 03:57 AM »

Quote from: WesleyanA on January 29, 2007, 03:50 AM
Also as you can see, using tribes to describe African ethnicities is derogatory. And they are still being widely used up to date.
but you won't hear anyone refering to Asian, European or American ethnic groups as "tribes"

Tribes are now used almost exclusively with Africa.

yoruba tribe (mind you, this tribe has over 40 million people worldwide. how is it a tribe?)


I'm not saying things are going perfect in countries in Africa, just that the situation is blown out of proportion.
It affects how blacks are looked upon worldwide too.

That to me is cosmetic when U compare it to the problems Africa is facing. Y am I concerned about the way we r described when I have more serious problems
4 Play (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #140 on: January 29, 2007, 03:57 AM »

@WesleyanA

I must admit,I only read the Washington Post article initially.

Of course it is true that there are instances where prejudice affects the content of media coverage,a problem that is not unique to Africa,I have seen worse

In 1999 during the Under 21 World Cup,I saw a newspaper article in the Daily Mail in which the journalist conselled against sending the England team to the tourney because inter alia,Nigeria was in the midst of an ebola epidemic

However,this is not unique to Africa.The media is full of examples of such prejudice.I have even read articles in Nigerian newpapers cautioning people against the high crime rate in the US

It is all part of the general prejudice that I said is common to humanity
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #141 on: January 29, 2007, 03:59 AM »

Also about the issue of corrupt leaders,
If an head of state like let's say IBB or Abacha can deposit huge sums of money in foreign/ european accounts, do you think these countries do not have a clue that this stuff is going on?
I read somewhere that some former president's account was bigger than all the money Britain donated to Nigeria in a year!!!
Okay, now so Britain doesn't know that the president keeps this sort of account??? of course they do!!!

so why do they keep donating money to us if they don't know it's going to end up back as deposits in their banks.

I still consider our presidents as western puppets. That's my opinion for now.
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #142 on: January 29, 2007, 04:01 AM »


So how is that their problem if Ur leader decides to be stupid and invest in another person's economy  Undecided
4 Play (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #143 on: January 29, 2007, 04:02 AM »

Would Nigerian banks ask questions if officials from Niger Republic wanted to deposit money with them
Donzman (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #144 on: January 29, 2007, 04:03 AM »

Quote
That to me is cosmetic when U compare it to the problems Africa is facing. Y am I concerned about the way we r described when I have more serious problems

If I see you as an idiot who is not serious about concrete issues, will I offer you concrete solutions to your problems?. . .To use your lingo, I'll offer you cosmetic solutions which will wear out after some rain and sunshine.
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #145 on: January 29, 2007, 04:05 AM »

Quote from: Uche2nna on January 29, 2007, 03:57 AM
That to me is cosmetic when U compare it to the problems Africa is facing. Y am I concerned about the way we r described when I have more serious problems

look at the big picture.

Jim crow wasn't all about segregated water fountains, segregated bus seats and lynchings.
The big picture is: dominate African Americans and keep them subservient to us as inferior beings without power in any area of the American life.
Isn't this what the picture still looked like until present day America (now we're having likes of Obama) but we're not there yet.
segregated buses, fountains disappeared a long time ago but the real major reason for Jim Crow is still hasn't diappeared.

so look at the big picture.


WesleyanA (f)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #146 on: January 29, 2007, 04:07 AM »

Quote from: 4 Play on January 29, 2007, 04:02 AM
Would Nigerian banks ask questions if officials from Niger Republic wanted to deposit money with them

Yes if the money is 300 million pounds???
think about it.

You think they'll not get suspicious that some one from this wretched country in Africa is depositing that amount of money.

plus you can't compare banking in Europe to banking in Nigeria.
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #147 on: January 29, 2007, 04:10 AM »

That might be ur picture Wes, but that is definitely not mine and also not for the millions of people living in drudgery in Africa, drudgery manufactured for them by their incompetent and greedy leaders.That to us is our own big picture and until the trend is reversed we might not be able to see that picture of urs
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #148 on: January 29, 2007, 04:13 AM »

Quote from: Uche2nna on January 29, 2007, 04:01 AM
So how is that their problem if your leader decides to be stupid and invest in another person's economy  Undecided

Exactly.

So they know that we have corrupt govts.
but they keep "giving" money to this govt.  and telling us that they're giving us money (ie helping poor countries in Africa)

Obasanjo recently borrowed 2 million from foreign banks for his personal use on his farm (i don't remember what year)
now this money will most likely count as national debt. not Obasanjo's debt.
And then those European countries will tell us that they're helping us cancel our debts.

we nigerians do not owe them. They are not helping us.

My point is, our problems can be blamed on the corrupt govt we have, and it can also be blamed on the europeans (not counting colonization).
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #149 on: January 29, 2007, 04:14 AM »

Quote from: Uche2nna on January 29, 2007, 04:10 AM
That might be your picture Wes, but that is definitely not mine and also not for the millions of people living in drudgery in Africa, drudgery manufactured for them by their incompetent and greedy leaders.That to us is our own big picture and until the trend is reversed we might not be able to see that picture of urs

I see where you're coming from.
But i still have my opinion
4 Play (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #150 on: January 29, 2007, 04:15 AM »

@WesleyanA

When these people deposit money,they don't deposit the whole amount in one account like u would do.U won't find a Gen Sani Abacha account with UBS for a $1 billion

What they do is break the money into hundreds of different   accounts with different banks under different names.The money is passed through various bizs.Many rich people in Britain illegally avoid tax payments with somewhat similar elaborate arrangements.

There is nothing the West can do if the Nigerian Govt is not particularly interested

There are other places in the world that offer similar banking services.If u think that u can address the problem of corruption by admonishing the West, u are wrong
Donzman (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #151 on: January 29, 2007, 04:16 AM »

Like my people will say, deal with the problems you have at home before you worry about the ones outsiders bring. If the home is strong, outside influence will be weakened.
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #152 on: January 29, 2007, 04:16 AM »

Quote from: WesleyanA on January 29, 2007, 04:07 AM
Yes if the money is 300 million pounds???
think about it.

You think they'll not get suspicious that some one from this wretched country in Africa is depositing that amount of money.

plus you can't compare banking in Europe to banking in Nigeria.

I don't think U know Nigeria or Nigerians. Ask questions when it is money  Grin Then that is not Nigeria. A nigerian once accepted some cash to dump some very toxic chemicals in one of the beaches.  Grin

@ Donzman I don't think I follow ur argument  Embarrassed Y would I even want to solicit solutions from U knowing fully well that we are "enemies".
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #153 on: January 29, 2007, 04:20 AM »

Quote from: Donzman on January 29, 2007, 04:16 AM
Like my people will say, deal with the problems you have at home before you worry about the ones outsiders bring. If the home is strong, outside influence will be weakened.

That I can relate to and that always been my stand in these kind of discourse. Given the West are this and that, but that is because we allowed them. The west can not afford to toy with countries like China or even India because those countries has given them a reason not to. I challenge Nigeria nay Africa to give the west a reason to take them serious
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #154 on: January 29, 2007, 04:20 AM »

I don't believe any of your arguments that western/ developed countries can't know if a Nigerian president deposited money in their banks
I need proove?   Undecided Undecided

It's happened many times before, so they most def should know that it still happens (even if they don't know where)


WesleyanA (f)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #155 on: January 29, 2007, 04:22 AM »

Quote from: Donzman on January 29, 2007, 04:16 AM
Like my people will say, deal with the problems you have at home before you worry about the ones outsiders bring. If the home is strong, outside influence will be weakened.
Quote from: Uche2nna on January 29, 2007, 04:20 AM
That I can relate to and that always been my stand in these kind of discourse. Given the West are this and that, but that is because we allowed them. The west can not afford to toy with countries like China or even India because those countries has given them a reason not to. I challenge Nigeria nay Africa to give the west a reason to take them serious

true.
I think part of it is that we consider ourselves inferior to them and also consider ourselves at their mercy instead of realizing that they're not helping but rather making the problem worse in their own way.
They're making themselves richer at our expense
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #156 on: January 29, 2007, 04:35 AM »

Quote from: WesleyanA on January 29, 2007, 04:22 AM
true.
I think part of it is that we consider ourselves inferior to them and also consider ourselves at their mercy instead of realizing that they're not helping but rather making the problem worse in their own way.
They're making themselves richer at our expense

And do I blame them? Nope. That is just survival instincts. Every serious nation wants to be superior to the other. Emphasis on the word serious because I don't think that Nigeria is a serious nation
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #157 on: January 29, 2007, 04:40 AM »

Yeah. I think the reason USA works is mainly because of the Unity (even though they like to pretend diversity)
Nigeria on the other hand, sometimes, can't be called a real country. some group of ethnicities fighting to be the next one in line to enjoy corruption? not sure if that's what it is.

That's why I made that comment about westernizing being a good thing to an extent. It'll make us unified
even though "fat" wouldn't be seen as favorable anymore. lol j/k
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #158 on: January 29, 2007, 04:42 AM »

 ;d ;d ;d
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist.
« #159 on: January 29, 2007, 04:43 AM »

We have been westernized enough to think that way, Wes. Moreover, it should be more of a health thing than a western thing now
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