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WesleyanA (f)
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yeah we're westernizing but if we're westernized to the extent that the younger generations only speak english, wear western clothes and we all claim America wannabe, there'll be no such thing as "it's ndi ibo's time for presidency" "let omo yoruba stay" blah blah The only thing is that Hausa people are still pretty much dominated by the Middle eastern influences, I wonder how they'll westernize. Like having Iraq and USA share the same border. lol well maybe i'm exaggerating a little.
If unity is achieved, maybe then we can talk about having a clean govt.
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Uche2nna (m)
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Yeah, true. But why am I having this feeling that we will never be united  Maybe my pessimism getting the better of me 
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Donzman (m)
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Unity in what sense?. . .We're united but not at my expense, that's the situation in Nigeria.
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WesleyanA (f)
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we are definitely not united.
Unity is not when your name tells you you're Yoruba instead of Nigerian.
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Uche2nna (m)
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If this is what You call Unity, then there is need for a re definition of the word
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WesleyanA (f)
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I was using it as an example. Of course there's more depth to it than that. 
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Uche2nna (m)
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Nope. I was replying to Donzman's earlier post of Nigeria being united 
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Donzman (m)
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If unity involves getting rid of my customs and traditions then I want no part of it. we are definitely not united.
Unity is not when your name tells you you're Yoruba instead of Nigerian. What is Nigerian?. . .What is an American Name? Nigeria is made up of different ethnic groups, if your name says you're from one of those ethnic groups, your name says you're Nigerian. When I'm watching T.V. and see an Igbo/Yoruba name, I recognize it as a Nigerian name. In our diversity lies our identity!! If we're all uniform, I won't feel the same being Nigerian anymore.
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Uche2nna (m)
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I am not talking about names. You can go ahead and pick up what ever You like as a name it does not make any difference. In Nigeria, there is a serious divide in all the tribes and it manifests itself from the streets up to the Presidency. If we are not acutely aware of our tribes why will we be entertaining the idea of rotational presidency
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Donzman (m)
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Why won't there be a divide between the ethnic groups when none of them were responsible for the formation of this country. There cannot be forced unity, every ethnic group has to come together and lay down a strategy that will suit everybody. That is how unity is built, when people consent to it. Some European can't arbitrarily name a country without the supposed nationals being privy to this formation and expect unity. Unity based on what?. . .A country you had no hand in forming?. . .We need to literally reform the country if we expect any unity whatsoever, begin with giving every region great autonomy and decentralize power. In that manner, every group will have greater control of their own destiny. I propose that if everyone works in their own best interest, the nation will turn out better and more competitive. What incentive does the Lagos State Governor have to improve Lagos if everything he does is monitored by some cow in Abuja? By the way Uche2nna, isn't it ironic you use 'tribe' in your write-up but we have WesleyanA criticizing white reporters for doing same? 
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WesleyanA (f)
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If unity involves getting rid of my customs and traditions then I want no part of it.
lol. That's why i said it also has it's repercusions (ie. "fat" will no longer be favorable) But then probably your kids or grandkids wouldn't care less. Unity will probably be easier for them. But then, I live in the US and i can't compare nigerian kids in US to nigerian kids in Nigeria What is Nigerian?. . .What is an American Name? Nigeria is made up of different ethnic groups, if your name says you're from one of those ethnic groups, your name says you're Nigerian. When I'm watching T.V. and see an Igbo/Yoruba name, I recognize it as a Nigerian name. In our diversity lies our identity!!
If we're all uniform, I won't feel the same being Nigerian anymore. lol A nigerian person's name first tells you he/she is *insert ethnic group here* and then Nigerian comes second. It's different when you're in the US/UK/canada. Just imagine yourself in Nigeria and think about it. In America on the other hand, there's no such thing as "californian name" "new york name" McCarthy, Lieberman, Clinton, Sachs, obama, Bush . . . all american (even though names might have their specific origins). you can't guess people's ethnicities by their names because it doesn't exist!!! not counting immigrant minorities, 'cause you can't count those and that's the funny thing about the US.
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WesleyanA (f)
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By the way Uche2nna, isn't it ironic you use 'tribe' in your write-up but we have WesleyanA criticizing white reporters for doing same?  I myself have refered to us as "tribes" until i saw the article. See what racism does to people. It degrades them. choogaloonga tribe of africa, wabenzi tribe of kenya, zulu "tribe" of africa  Just like African Americans still refering to themselves as "niggers"
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Donzman (m)
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lol. That's why i said it also has it's repercusions (ie. "fat" will no longer be favorable)
But then probably your kids or grandkids wouldn't care less. Unity will probably be easier for them. But then, I live in the US and i can't compare nigerian kids in US to nigerian kids in Nigeria
I can speak my native language and my kids will learn it too whether they like it or not. lol A nigerian person's name first tells you he/she is *insert ethnic group here* and then Nigerian comes second.
It's different when you're in the US/UK/canada. Just imagine yourself in Nigeria and think about it.
In America on the other hand, there's no such thing as "californian name" "new york name" McCarthy, Lieberman, Clinton, Sachs, obama, Bush . . . all american (even though names might have their specific origins). you can't guess people's ethnicities by their names because it doesn't exist!!!
not counting immigrant minorities, 'cause you can't count those and that's the funny thing about the US.
What are you talking about?. . .So we should get rid of our native names and start answering James and John?  . . .Should we get rid of our surnames too and start answering Johnson and Jacobdaughter?
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WesleyanA (f)
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no i was only saying, you compared it with American names and i tried to point out the differences.
Nigeria is divided,no doubts about it. And names is just a minor issue compared to stuff like language, culture, religion, politics and all the big stuff that divide us.
it's ok to have some cultural diversity, but everything else esp. Politics should be ONE.
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kaecy5 (m)
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even in nigeria racism is not only exhibited as a function of skin colour but asa function of tribe
how come each tribe would pass down generations one thing or the other about the next tribe
we in turn become suspicious of the other tribe and be come a little bit careful
like my parents would say don't trust a yoruba guy but most of my friends are yorubas and they r cool even if i have my reservations about some but it is based on individualist tendencies
Racism/tribalism or discrminiation of any sort is all a function of the mind - a thing we have to intentionally stop
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mrpataki (m)
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This is sickening 
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Stilettos (f)
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na wa oo i never thought Ghandi was racist. then again who knows, maybe mother teresa was a serial killer  no seriously though, i wont be surprised although i like to believe he was a good man, i have experienced racism from indians here, no joke. Any way what ever mehn
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Drusilla (f)
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Ghandi was racist.
He even won medals for killing Africans when they tried to rebel from whites in South Africa.
His military record in South Africa is one of extreme bravery in entering African Areas and killing up the Black folks.
Sorry, even Rev. Martin Luther King talked about Ghandi, we had no Classical African Studies departments at the time.
So MLK never got a chance to learn about Ghandi's killing all those Africans.
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Stilettos (f)
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Ghandi was racist.
He even won medals for killing Africans when they tried to rebel from whites in South Africa.
His military record in South Africa is one of extreme bravery in entering African Areas and killing up the Black folks.
Sorry, even Rev. Martin Luther King talked about Ghandi, we had no Classical African Studies departments at the time.
So MLK never got a chance to learn about Ghandi's killing all those Africans.
thanks for the info Drusilla, wow you two are kind of similar, is he a hero of yours? i mean his ideas, just imagine it was white people he hated instead of blacks  joking 
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Drusilla (f)
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Stiletto's,
You don't know me that well, so let me get this straight with you right now.
I care about the 33,000 mostly brown and black who will die today from starvation etc.
My white side has Nuclear Weapons.
They don't need a Black defender.
Although I have had occaision to meet many Nigerians who think that whites need them to be protected from hearing complaints of what whites do in this world.
Those starving people need your voice, not white people.
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ThiefOfHearts (f)
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I think they'D rather have food.
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Drusilla (f)
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Thief,
I am instructed to know the cause (plea) of the poor.
Pro 29:7 The righteous knows the plea of the poor; the wicked cares not to know it.
I am also instructed to beg (plead) their cause.
Pro 31:9 Open your mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.
And you already know that I believe that the White domination of People of Color, is the CAUSE of those people will die TODAY from starvation and disease.
When I speak against Global White Supremacy System that rules this world, I am doing what I am ordered by God to do.
It's good enough for me.
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Donzman (m)
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@Drusilla
If blacks end up dominating the world, will you still be doing what you're doing now in the other direction?
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Drusilla (f)
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@Drusilla
If blacks end up dominating the world, will you still be doing what you're doing now in the other direction? Donzman, I most certainly would. Let me tell you what you may not understand. I actually very much pity whites. I believe this system is a 2 edged sword. It is actually cutting them, while they think it is only cutting us. African children are dying from starvation because of some policy far away in Europe and that is painful and must by it's nature be our top concern because it is so much the walking around reality. But a different policy in Europe/America is destroying their own children and people. Delf747, is actually promoting the Global White System, in that by trying to make "whites" into "browns", he in fact is doing what they want to do. Deny that in fact their 'white' population is dying off by pretending that "brown" people are the whites. Their trying to win over brown people desparately as "whites", so they don't have to face their own destruction of their race, AT THEIR OWN HANDS.
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman,
In short: I do not want Blacks to become the leader of this system.
I think the system is bad, whether you slap a black face on it or not!
I want the system to end. I don't want to reform it (except as a bandaid), I want to end it.
For everybody.
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Donzman (m)
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What system are you talking about?. . .Economic always generates classes and stratas of individuals. If you want to end the system, we should be discussing communism.
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman,
African Americans just call the system: "Global White Supremacy" (i.e. because whites dominate people systems (economics, distributions, etc, etc) they pretty much take from POC (people of color)) while the people of color, starve to death or are just hungry filling boats of food to ship to Europe.
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Ringdove
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Dear Friends This is to help correct the record. Gandhi was not a racist. When he started out in South Africa, he initially made some statements (he was still a very young man then) which showed some of the prevailing prejudice. However as he came to know Africans he grew out of this prejudice. By May 1908, while still in South Africa, he was speaking of a commingling of races and of a civilisation the world has never seen before. See this link http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/history/people/gandhi/anil.htmlwhich sets the record straight. Apparently, he had the ability to correct himself and it was not for nothing that he came to be known worldwide. Ringdove
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