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Sista (f)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #128 on: February 14, 2007, 04:28 AM »

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If you had a response to make to my posts you should have made it IN THE THREAD IT WAS IN!



You were responded to in the other thread.
JosBoy4Lif (m)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #129 on: February 14, 2007, 04:29 AM »

Sista is it true what Drusilla alleged Delf said ealier on today?
Sista (f)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #130 on: February 14, 2007, 05:11 AM »

@Josboy4life


Yes it is true, we are both trying ot find the quote.
Sista (f)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #131 on: February 14, 2007, 05:28 AM »

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-19228.224.html#msg602340

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I hope you can understand this.

But do you know what? Some Americans turn up and the whole place descends into chaos.

Typical old tactic of divide and rule used by Empires.

Sorry but Africa and Europe not falling for it anymore.


Look at Delf trying to separate Europe From America. Doesn't he know that it was Europeans who went into Africa and separated Africans like little animals. The darker ones from th lighter ones, etc. Doesn't he know that Europeans are the ones who started and stole America? 




http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-19228.224.html#msg604554

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It's Christians who say "God is love" and when you look at what has happened in history (especially what Christian Europe has done) that's so weak and pathetic. Humans are not Gods and Europeans have been taught that.

Who is Delf alledging that Europeans were taught by? According to him Europeans were not taught anything by anyone. According to Delf, Europeans are the ones who are responsible for waking up the entire world so who could the Europeans have been taught Christianity by? Delf just contradicts his self all the time.


http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-19228.160.html#msg599208

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I have posted anthropological data clearly showing this to be false. White skin did not come from black skin. The original humans had very pale, pink skin similar to what we see today amongst Chimpanzees - genetically our closest simian relation.


See how he claims the first humans were pale skinned, pink skinned. He is basically saying the first humans were white. Even white people these days don't say that. Delf is a early time racist who is still surviving. Now check out his Darwin theory below.

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-19228.128.html#msg591696


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Humans evolved from primates. Have you ever seen the skin colour of a primate?

Have you ever considered why Europeans, Arabs and South Asians are so hairy?

I'm not interested in the racists game of oneupmanship. Science deals with reality. Race is NOT reality.



At the time he was talking to Drusilla and I and he knew we were African American. That is why he made it a point to specifically mention African Americans below. We all know that African Americans are African descent and if he calls an African American a monkey, he is also calling Africans monkeys. Now look how he takes back whites skinned/ pale skinned and pink skinned were the first humans, he takes that back and now he gives black people the credit for being the original monkeys.



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I agree. But primates have even stronger bone structure than humans.

Hence, this proves that African Americans possess earlier copies of homo-sapien dna.

Sorry, but evolution doesn't go backwards.

The dinosaurs aren't coming back.

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-19228.192.html#msg602192
 


Drusilla (f)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #132 on: February 14, 2007, 05:34 AM »

Sista,

I just found this post from myself:

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http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-19228.320.html#msg667808

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« #341 on: October 21, 2006, 05:30 AM »   

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Proton,

If Nferyn is delf747, then he has done us a great favor. Seeing the buffoons who actually said it is better for blacks not to unite and that blacks have more monkey blood according to his evolution theory.

Only helps to make my case. It's either my way or that buffoons way of thinking about Africans and Africa.

A house on fire unites better than anything.   


Notice the date. Now we know the time about which Delf747 said it. When he first entered the boards. September/October

Unfortunately these threads are not locked and he could find it first and run and change it. I only bring that up because some of the posts on that thread from him, seem changed or strange. He is telling people to get back on topic? I don't remember that we got off topic. So it looks like he is remaking his posts to say things they never said back then. 
Sista (f)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #133 on: February 14, 2007, 05:59 AM »

Drusilla

I noticed him saying the stuff when I went back and reread the Albino thread as well. He never complained about getting off the subject before. And you know what drusilla, I always get Nferyn mixed up with Delf, it never fails, me getting those two mixed up.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #134 on: February 14, 2007, 06:22 AM »

Sista,

For me:

Delf is an obvious fruit cake.

Nferyn is intelligent and nice and sure about what he says. I wouldn't think I could get their writing's mixed up. And not on something this important. Nferyn is careful about what he says. What I remembered was too ugly to be Nferyn's writing. At least in my dealings with Nferyn.
Sista (f)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #135 on: February 14, 2007, 06:32 AM »

Drusilla


You might be right about that because I remember when Proton first made that statement, i remember thinking, he might be right but then I remember thinking nope, they are not the same person. I don't know why I changed my mind about Nferyn but I did.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #136 on: February 14, 2007, 06:43 AM »

Sista,

Yep.Yep.
Stilettos (f)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #137 on: February 16, 2007, 11:06 PM »

lol they are really entertaining sha. hehe real one flew over the cuckoo's nest meets psycho drama we seeing right here.
JustGood (m)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #138 on: February 23, 2007, 10:13 PM »

who are African Americans?
Those guys who migrated to America from Nigeria, Ghana, Ethiopia etc? yeah They all have their national identities still, at least they should.

star01 (m)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #139 on: February 23, 2007, 10:14 PM »

can't u comprehend
JustGood (m)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #140 on: February 23, 2007, 10:18 PM »

wetin make I comprehend?
star01 (m)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #141 on: February 23, 2007, 10:27 PM »

whu african americans re
JustGood (m)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #142 on: February 23, 2007, 10:28 PM »

tell me who them be
star01 (m)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #143 on: February 23, 2007, 10:30 PM »

@ least u graduated from high school start from page 1
JustGood (m)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #144 on: February 23, 2007, 10:38 PM »

i say de people wey them dey call AFRICAN americans no be Africans.

how many Africans no dey proud of them nationalities? make u ask those people say which country them come from. na that time u go see say them no be africans
star01 (m)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #145 on: February 23, 2007, 10:40 PM »

sorry B
Eliza704
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #146 on: April 13, 2008, 03:46 PM »

I'm african american, so i really don't care what some one thinks i should be called thats what i am and will always be.
almondjoy (f)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #147 on: April 13, 2008, 05:52 PM »

No differenceboth groups are narrow minded and lack exposure!  Both have not learned to think about the most important things in life generally speaking and still continue to drift in the overall scheme of things globally!

I wish us well! Kiss
JustGood (m)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #148 on: April 14, 2008, 05:41 PM »

"African American" exists only to suit Black Americans.
Africa is a Continent. There are Nigerian Americans and Ghanaian Americans even Liberian Americans.
What exactly is an African American? what nationalty are they?
lazy (m)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #149 on: April 14, 2008, 09:01 PM »

Quote from: JustGood on April 14, 2008, 05:41 PM
"African American" exists only to suit Black Americans.
Africa is a Continent. There are Nigerian Americans and Ghanaian Americans even Liberian Americans.
What exactly is an African American? what nationalty are they?

You are correct. AA isn't a Nationality but neither is Nigerian American, Ghanaian American. There is only American, Nigerian, or Ghanaian. That is it.

No ones passports says AA or Nigerian American.

Only if you carry a dual citizenship will you have more than one Nationality.

I don't think Black American is a good term either the way you used it because every one that is of the Black "Race" and a citizen of the States is a Black American. Black is a "Race" and American is a Nationality. They are two separate ways of classifying the Human Species.  It is either American or nothing when talking about Nationality.   

I have also never heard of a Black Country, Black Continent, Black Land Mass, or anything else you can think of. LOL!

Have you ever also thought why do they classify Asians as Asian American when Asia is a continent as well?? The term is really used to replace the "Race" term because you don't want to call them Yellow people. I think that is not a Nationality just like AA either but you posed the question about Africa being a continent and placing it in front of American.

I think most people when they refer to themselves it is by culture and when speaking of culture then that is a different story (then you can start talking about all this other stuff) but you are using the term Nationality which means citizenship and it is basically what is on your passport.
Sista (f)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #150 on: April 20, 2008, 07:56 PM »

Why does everyone have to complicate things so much? Undecided

I am an African American and therefore I am best suited to explain why African Americans are African Americans. It is very simple, When one hears these words African American, one knows that he or she is referring to the people who are descendants of African slaves brought to America. We keep African in our title  so that we never forget that not only are we American but we arealso descendants of African slaves as well. African American people are not new Africans who arrived in America just recently, we have been in America for generations and generations. Unlike Africans such as Nigerians, Liberians and etc. who are new to America, only migrating here for economical reasons. Real African Americans are not in America by choice, we are here because the only family we know of has been in America for generation after  generations. No Nigerian or Liberian or any other African recently migrating to America can attest to that.


America is made up from many different nationalities, races of people etc. but the true Americans weather they be white, Asians, Hispanic or black, they have family, roots, that have been in America for generation after generation. You have some people in America who do not refer to their self as African or Asian or Latin American, they just refer to their self as American but for those of us Asian America, African Americans and etc. who do not want to throw away where we came from and what we are a result of in terms of being American, we choose to keep our heritage in our title hence fourth, I am of African decent first and American second. Making me an African American. No one call tell me who I am or what to call my self not even a passport. Also, just so you all know, in America, when we fill out the application for a passport, we have to say what race we are, Black etc. When we get our passport, it does say American on it but when the passport is issued a number, that number links back to ht original paper work which will stipulate that the individual is a black American. Passports are not issued numbers for nothing. In case you didn't know, also when a black person is travelling to certain places, he is considered high risk, just like Arabs are considered the same. My point is, just because your passport labels you as American, or African, trust me, what race you are makes a big difference, even more so than where you were born.


lazy (m)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #151 on: April 21, 2008, 12:20 AM »

Quote from: Sista on April 20, 2008, 07:56 PM
Why does everyone have to complicate things so much? Undecided

 I am an African American and therefore I am best suited to explain why African Americans are African Americans. It is very simple, When one hears these words African American, one knows that he or she is referring to the people who are descendants of African slaves brought to America. We keep African in our title  so that we never forget that not only are we American but we arealso descendants of African slaves as well. African American people are not new Africans who arrived in America just recently, we have been in America for generations and generations. Unlike Africans such as Nigerians, Liberians and etc. who are new to America, only migrating here for economical reasons. Real African Americans are not in America by choice, we are here because the only family we know of has been in America for generation after  generations. No Nigerian or Liberian or any other African recently migrating to America can attest to that.


America is made up from many different nationalities, races of people etc. but the true Americans weather they be white, Asians, Hispanic or black, they have family, roots, that have been in America for generation after generation. You have some people in America who do not refer to their self as African or Asian or Latin American, they just refer to their self as American but for those of us Asian America, African Americans and etc. who do not want to throw away where we came from and what we are a result of in terms of being American, we choose to keep our heritage in our title hence fourth, I am of African decent first and American second. Making me an African American. No one call tell me who I am or what to call my self not even a passport. Also, just so you all know, in America, when we fill out the application for a passport, we have to say what race we are, Black etc. When we get our passport, it does say American on it but when the passport is issued a number, that number links back to ht original paper work which will stipulate that the individual is a black American. Passports are not issued numbers for nothing. In case you didn't know, also when a black person is travelling to certain places, he is considered high risk, just like Arabs are considered the same. My point is, just because your passport labels you as American, or African, trust me, what race you are makes a big difference, even more so than where you were born.

You can believe what you would like to but as I responded to the question of "Nationality" by the previous poster. Nationality means citizenship.

Now I understand you talked about during the application process what you may check as far as "Race". Please take a look at your passport if you have one. Please tell me where on that passport is says "African American"?? Please tell me where it says "Nigerian American" Huh . Now lets look under Nationality?? Please tell me what is says. If you are a citizen of the States, it will say UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. That is it,  I don't care if your ancestors came to the States as enslaved Africans or you are a more recent migration. The only other way is if you carry dual citizenship with some other Nation-State.

Now most people when they describe themselves they do it by culture. Thus people will say AA when describing who they are or Nigerian American because that is the culture they live under.

Lets use word Nationality correctly.  I don't know how by understanding that your Nationality is American is throwing anything away. The concept of Nation-State (the way countries exist today) is a new concept. I think if someone looks at you they will be able to tell that you are AA or Black, Yellow, Red,  White, etc,  I think when someone spends time with you they will understand your culture is AA. 
wendymanda
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #152 on: April 21, 2008, 12:52 AM »

Why can't everyone that has been here for generations be termed an "American"?
lazy (m)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #153 on: April 21, 2008, 01:03 AM »

Quote from: wendymanda on April 21, 2008, 12:52 AM
Why can't everyone that has been here for generations be termed an "American"?

That is an open ended question. What do u consider generations? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Huh If you only say 2 generations then many of the European Americans wouldn't be considered just American. They came during the early 1900's.

You would also have to change the history of the States as well. The country you see today is only 40 years old. The only people that were considered real "Americans" were Europeans that came to the States. It is going to take sometime to get to what you are stating.

When most people not in the States think of what a real "All American" is they don't think of an African American but a European American.



wendymanda
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #154 on: April 21, 2008, 01:07 AM »

I consider '2' generations. The term American is such an exclusionist term because almost any white person without an accent considers themselves an 'American' but all other races including the NATIVES of the country are called Americans with a prefix of their ethnicity. 
lazy (m)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #155 on: April 21, 2008, 01:13 AM »

Quote from: wendymanda on April 21, 2008, 01:07 AM
I consider '2' generations. The term American is such an exclusionist term because almost any white person without an accent considers themselves an 'American' but all other races including the NATIVES of the country are called Americans with a prefix of their ethnicity. 

I agree with you that it is an exclusionary term but that has to do with the history of the States. That is just how it is. A real American is not someone that is not a European  in many peoples eyes around the world and in the States as well. Many people wont say that but I have never heard of anyone other than an European mentioned as having "All American looks".
JustGood (m)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #156 on: April 22, 2008, 12:17 PM »

Quote from: wendymanda on April 21, 2008, 01:07 AM
I consider '2' generations. The term American is such an exclusionist term because almost any white person without an accent considers themselves an 'American' but all other races including the NATIVES of the country are called Americans with a prefix of their ethnicity.

If that is not racism, nothing else will ever be
Sista (f)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #157 on: April 24, 2008, 07:15 PM »

@Lazy



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"Nigerian American"  . Now lets look under Nationality?? Please tell me what is says. If you are a citizen of the States, it will say UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. That is it,  I don't care if your ancestors came to the States as enslaved Africans or you are a more recent migration. The only other way is if you carry dual citizenship with some other Nation-State.



I see why you title yourself lazy Kiss


If you read the second paragraph of my post you would have seen that I had already covered this.


 
lazy (m)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #158 on: April 24, 2008, 07:20 PM »

Quote from: Sista on April 24, 2008, 07:15 PM
@Lazy





I see why you title yourself lazy Kiss


If you read the second paragraph of my post you would have seen that I had already covered this.


 


I have been told that my name fits me!  Wink

Great! Then no need to debate.  Grin   The only Nationality of a citizen of the States is American.  Anything else is talking about other things like cultural.
Sista (f)
Re: Difference Between African Americans And Africans?
« #159 on: April 24, 2008, 07:27 PM »

@Wendy



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Why can't everyone that has been here for generations be termed an "American"?



Some people do term their self as such but shouldn't those who term their self as African American have that choice? After all, it was the African Americans who's ancestors were taken from Africa and over time, Descendants of African slaves began to realize just how much they had been misplaced. A misplaced people should not have to lose everything, including the right to say who they are.

Now, what I just said in the above does not go for all black people in America. Some black people in America don't even akckowledge their African ancestory, nor do they care to but for thsoe who do, that should be their choice and no on elses.


It's kind of like a person who is mixed with white and black are you going to ask the question that why can't that person be termed as either or, white or black? Or, are you going to let that choice be up to the individual? It's really no one else's business quit frankly. The individual is the one who has to live with his or hers choices, not the other people on the outisde looking in, wondering why can't.



 
Quote from: wendymanda on April 21, 2008, 01:07 AM
I consider '2' generations. The term American is such an exclusionist term because almost any white person without an accent considers themselves an 'American' but all other races including the NATIVES of the country are called Americans with a prefix of their ethnicity.


This is because at one time, America was all Native Indians. Now America is made up of many different people from all over the world. Not to mention all of those people are mixing up. Anyone can become an American. After all, American is really just a way of life, a lifstyle.

Any way, as a result of America being a place where many people from many nations come to live, people put their prefix to show that hey, this is really who I am, America is where i just happen to be or have become the result of.
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