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Islam
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #416 on: March 04, 2006, 01:49 PM »

dear mysummerro,
i understand ur confusion so please think about what i'll say,
God created life to all humans as a test, it may sound silly but if u think about it, why are u born? why are evil and good are made? why is it for u to choose? why warent u born to have fun? well alot lose faith and think that thats life, but u will die eventually, and u will not just die and thats it bcause there is a God and there s a judgement day where all what u did will be recorded on u and u will be accounted on it, so if u people also think about these questions and reply i will be grateful.
and sallam
dblock (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #417 on: March 05, 2006, 07:33 AM »

Christianity might have been made up for the satisfaction of humans. Meaning, one day a guy sat down thinking we are no different from other animals we are born then we die "I refuse to believe that it is too depresiing I'll make something up" voila. But then again I still believe in christianity, I'm only human. Christianity is a religion of faith and not of proof you looking for proof without been close to God yoy must be wasting your time. It's really a situation of choosing to believe or choosing not to believe. I choose too believe I will be rewarded amen. The best made up story is budhism (note, i don't think christianity is a made up story).
nicetohave (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #418 on: March 14, 2006, 09:58 PM »

Just something to wet your apetite on the topicĀ  Cheesy Cool :

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allonym
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #419 on: March 22, 2006, 11:34 PM »

there is one problem with the barber.

In order to get a haircut, you have to pay the barber.

The poor man never paid the barber, so the existence of hair on his face, is independent of the existence of a barber.
nicetohave (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #420 on: March 23, 2006, 01:12 AM »

there is one problem with not seeing the hand of God

you got to believe he is, for whoever cometh to God must believe he is and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

so your unbelief in God is independent of the existence of God, seek and you shall find; seek not and you shall find not!
allonym
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #421 on: March 24, 2006, 06:13 AM »

wow, in order to know God exists, I must believe in him.

So, it must follow that if I don't believe in him, God does not exist.

Otherwise, I could believe in say. ,  the Grand Coconut, ruler of the Universe, and it would exist.
jayvinnie (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #422 on: March 31, 2006, 08:54 AM »

I Believe my God
mum (f)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #423 on: April 02, 2006, 03:46 AM »

Do believe in God, it's as simple and stop arguing  guys. I do believe!
lordimpaq (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #424 on: April 03, 2006, 08:42 AM »

God have mercy on your souls,
nirron1 (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #425 on: April 04, 2006, 10:24 PM »

 
Kismat,thanks for ur effort,u ve highlighted the truth,u ve done your own part,its now left for him to either believe or not.
Anyway it is also written in the holy Quran that "WE (ALLAH)ve pull wool over their eyes so they cannot see".
This confirms that no matter how u tell them the truth if it is not ordained by almighty ALLAH that they should hear,they will never hear.
So if u like believe in God if u like don't believe,but let me just remind u that ''NO ONE SHALL BEAR THE BURDENĀ  OF OTHERS".
zatoichi (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #426 on: April 06, 2006, 08:30 AM »

I believe God is grossly being misrepresented in the bible and other books , and my people does the definition of an atheist include anyone who does not believe in God as revealed in the bible and other books? 
nferyn (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #427 on: April 06, 2006, 10:59 AM »

@ zatoichi
You've got many definitions of atheism. All with a different slant, depending on their own position (many theists believe that atheism is only an active disbelief in God(s)). Most atheists would define atheism as a lack of belief in (a) supreme being(s).

So if you believe in a supreme being of any kind, you are not an atheist. Atheism is not limited to the God of the Bible.
zatoichi (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #428 on: April 06, 2006, 11:38 AM »

@nferyn
Very well said!!! thanks for the clarification.
I believe in GOD, closest expression so far is by Spinoza.

"NATURE is everything. There is mass, energy, atoms, molecules, life, thought, people, societies, galaxies and perhaps even multiple universes (pure speculation). But there is nothing outside nature, including spiritual visions and other phenomena we don't yet understand. If they exist, they are part of nature.

Spinoza asserted that for a concept of god to make any sense at all, it must simply be nature. That is, god cannot be something outside nature that controls it, but must necessarily be part of it. According to Spinoza, God IS nature. While Spinoza was excommunicated from his Jewish community in Amsterdam and condemned by Christians as well for being an atheist, he was very devoutly religious. He saw the traditional anthropomorphic (man-like) god as an abomination, completely rejecting the wonder of nature, from which life comes. To Spinoza, nature is the true expression of God. And each of us is part of it. Unfortunately, his highly technical, mathematical style of writing limited widespread appreciation of his work"

http://home.netcom.com/~zeno7/spinoza.html
nferyn (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #429 on: April 06, 2006, 12:39 PM »

@ zatoichi
If you go by the definition you posted here, you are a either a religious atheist or a pantheist.
zatoichi (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #430 on: April 06, 2006, 12:48 PM »

@nferyn

more of a pantheist, but religious atheist  Undecided i'D ponder that  Smiley
kenshin (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #431 on: April 06, 2006, 04:23 PM »

one thing is sure, that you choose not to believe in God does not mean he does not exist Cool
nferyn (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #432 on: April 06, 2006, 06:12 PM »

One cannot choose to believe in anything. Believing is not a matter of choice. It is consequence of exposure to information.
blinx4real (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #433 on: April 06, 2006, 06:19 PM »

Even Physics defines that before anything can occur there must be a CAUSE. . .
the cause of life, is God and he has revealed himself as more than a force but a personal being.
nferyn (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #434 on: April 06, 2006, 07:05 PM »

Quote from: blinx4real on April 06, 2006, 06:19 PM
Even Physics defines that before anything can occur there must be a CAUSE. . .
Actually, that is not true

Quote from: blinx4real on April 06, 2006, 06:19 PM
the cause of life, is God
Care to explain?

Quote from: blinx4real on April 06, 2006, 06:19 PM
and he has revealed himself as more than a force but a personal being.
Where's the evidence?
blinx4real (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #435 on: April 06, 2006, 07:28 PM »

Quote from: nferyn on April 06, 2006, 07:05 PM
Actually, that is not true
The Law of inertia
Quote from: nferyn on April 06, 2006, 07:05 PM
Care to explain?
History, science and religion even evolution does not deny that there was a beginning, they all tell us that there is a starting point to everything, there was a time when there was nothing. Then there were the inanimate things, then living things and finally man.
Quote from: nferyn on April 06, 2006, 07:05 PM
Where's the evidence?
I think it is only fair to say that all of what we see today is not here by MISTAKE, the perfect synergy of the whole of nature points to the fact that the INITIATOR thought this scheme through before he created anything. Ask yourself how come the only things that don't work right are those made by man. Has the sun ever slowed down its speed? and its been in existence for billions of years
nferyn (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #436 on: April 06, 2006, 08:03 PM »

Quote from: blinx4real on April 06, 2006, 07:28 PM
The Law of inertia
Scientific laws are descriptive, not explanative. What about the Big bang Theory? And the creator still needs a cause in this framework. It adds absolutely nothing to our understanding of the universe to put a God at the beginning.

Quote from: blinx4real on April 06, 2006, 07:28 PM
History, science and religion even evolution does not deny that there was a beginning, they all tell us that there is a starting point to everything, there was a time when there was nothing. Then there were the inanimate things, then living things and finally man.
Even though evolution works cumulatively, it does not have a direction. Man is not the pinnacle of evolution.
Begining and end imply a linear perception of time. This is far from a given. It is not because it is true in our day to day experience that it must be true in all circumstances

Quote from: blinx4real on April 06, 2006, 07:28 PM
I think it is only fair to say that all of what we see today is not here by MISTAKE, the perfect synergy of the whole of nature points to the fact that the INITIATOR thought this scheme through before he created anything.
No it isn't. The Theory of Evolution is perfectly capable of explaining our biodiversity without having to bring in any supernatural explanations. By the way, if that initiator thought through this scheme beforehand, than either he did a really lousy job or he is cruel and sadistic.

Quote from: blinx4real on April 06, 2006, 07:28 PM
Ask yourself how come the only things that don't work right are those made by man. Has the sun ever slowed down its speed? and its been in existence for billions of years
Actually, speed is a relative concept and the sun has changed considerably over those billions of years. Nature is far from perfect and the biological "designs" are even worse. Just think about he blind spot in the eyes of the vertebrates: bad design that can only be explained by the unguided force of evolution.
blinx4real (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #437 on: April 06, 2006, 08:30 PM »

Quote from: nferyn on April 06, 2006, 08:03 PM
Scientific laws are descriptive, not explanative. What about the Big bang Theory? And the creator still needs a cause in this framework. It adds absolutely nothing to our understanding of the universe to put a God at the beginning.
Scientific laws describe based on the data available, the big bang theory is crap because it does not have data to back it up. The laaw of inertia however has been validated and proven to be a law, thats why its not called a theory.
Quote from: nferyn on April 06, 2006, 08:03 PM
Even though evolution works cumulatively, it does not have a direction. Man is not the pinnacle of evolution.
Begining and end imply a linear perception of time. This is far from a given. It is not because it is true in our day to day experience that it must be true in all circumstances
in other words evolution can return man to ape just as it evolved man from ape?

Quote from: nferyn on April 06, 2006, 08:03 PM
Actually, speed is a relative concept and the sun has changed considerably over those billions of years. Nature is far from perfect and the biological "designs" are even worse. Just think about he blind spot in the eyes of the vertebrates: bad design that can only be explained by the unguided force of evolution.
Have u ever wondered what the effect could be if u had it? don't u think that u were made a black man(now I am assuming that u r black) for a reason
nferyn (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #438 on: April 07, 2006, 09:03 AM »

Quote from: blinx4real on April 06, 2006, 08:30 PM
Scientific laws describe based on the data available, the big bang theory is crap because it does not have data to back it up. The laaw of inertia however has been validated and proven to be a law, thats why its not called a theory.
It seems that you do not have a proper understandig of what a scientific theory really entails. If you would understand, you wouldn't call the Big Bang Theory just a theory (in it's colloquial meaning)
Have a look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
the work of Popper is also very enlightning:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper

Anyway you still need to explain the creator.

Quote from: blinx4real on January 01, 1970, 04:10 AM
in other words evolution can return man to ape just as it evolved man from ape?
Under the appropriate selective pressure that is very well possible, yes. But stil, it's not because man has an exceptionally large and powerful brain that he is no longer an ape. We are the third chimpanzee (or chimps and bonobo's are the second and third living species hominins if you prefer that)
There are many cases where the blind force of evolution worked 'backwards', blind cave fish and salamanders with eyes, whales and ostriches just to name a few.

Quote from: blinx4real on January 01, 1970, 04:10 AM
Have u ever wondered what the effect could be if u had it? don't u think that u were made a black man(now I am assuming that you're black) for a reason
Well, you're wrong here (see my profile). Skin color is an adaptation that we, hairless apes, underwent because it protects us from UV radiaton. Whites lost that adaptation because it was no longer beneficial in the climate of Europe
zatoichi (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #439 on: April 07, 2006, 10:41 AM »

It is a limitation of the human intellect that neccessitates our having to talk most times in terms of bipolarities (end and begining of time,good and evil etc, )

@blinx4real
 you may want to think more deeply about what Albert Einstein said -"Time and Space are not conditions in which we live in,but "MODES" by which we reason"

@Nfreyn
There are certain kinds of minds i've had the opportunity of interracting with I call them "ELECTS" you rank as one of them, The seat of evolution in man has shifted from the physicals to the more granular levels of mind (a personal opinion,please).
Please tell me what is your area of speciality? What do you do?
nferyn (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #440 on: April 07, 2006, 12:44 PM »

Quote from: zatoichi on April 07, 2006, 10:41 AM
@Nfreyn
There are certain kinds of minds i've had the opportunity of interracting with I call them "ELECTS" you rank as one of them, The seat of evolution in man has shifted from the physicals to the more granular levels of mind (a personal opinion,please).
Please tell me what is your area of speciality? What do you do?
Professionally, I'm a project manager. I studied communication science at university, but I stil maintained a keen interest in the life sciences (I'D probably study biology if I could start over again).

What exactly do you mean with The seat of evolution in man has shifted from the physicals to the more granular levels of mind? Are you talking about memetics?
zatoichi (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #441 on: April 07, 2006, 02:36 PM »

Quote from: nferyn on April 07, 2006, 12:44 PM
Professionally, I'm a project manager. I studied communication science at university, but I stil maintained a keen interest in the life sciences (I'D probably study biology if I could start over again).

What exactly do you mean with The seat of evolution in man has shifted from the physicals to the more granular levels of mind? Are you talking about memetics?

Never heard of memetics before now,did  a little scan on it and WOW!!! very lovely concept! http://www.aleph.se/Trans/Cultural/Memetics/

On the seat of evolution: My original thought was with the assumption that man has just 2 natures (physical body and intangible spirit) and that as evolution on the physical dwindles that of the spiritual increases and that tiny packets of individuals spread all over the world have started manifesting some observable trends as a result of this "modified mind-program" (and please don't ask me Smiley ) .

You'D notice from the lines above- i do not believe in the tripartite nature of man, so i ususlly say for simplicity let's assume man has just 2 natures,or else we may have to deal with grasping his Manifold nature,   


nferyn (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #442 on: April 07, 2006, 03:03 PM »

I'm a hard naturalist. I do not believe that the mind or the spiritual are separate from the physical, but only a manifestation of the material. It's obvious that this link is still very murky and not very well understood, but I have confidence that we will soon find the material basis for the immaterial mind and:or spirit.
I do believe -and there we're touching the thee of memes again - that information can evolve as well, as long as it has an appropriate medium to replicate in. Human brains are prime source material  Wink
retro (f)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #443 on: April 07, 2006, 06:39 PM »

I'm Agnostic, means I have doubts, I don't have enough proof of "God's" existence, till I do, I'm going to remain this way.
nferyn (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #444 on: April 07, 2006, 07:13 PM »

Quote from: retro on April 07, 2006, 06:39 PM
I'm Agnostic, means I have doubts, I don't have enough proof of "God's" existence, till I do, I'm going to remain this way.
If you are agnostic, it actually means that you have no knowledge (or cannot obtain that knowledge) of the existence of God. It doesn't say anything about what you believe in.
You can either be a theist, beliving in a personal, active God (like the one from the Bible), a deist (believing in a impersonal God, that is no longer active in in the world) or an atheist (lacking the belief in a God) (I leave out the other  options for clarity)
retro (f)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #445 on: April 08, 2006, 04:46 PM »

Quote from: nferyn on April 07, 2006, 07:13 PM
If you are agnostic, it actually means that you have no knowledge (or cannot obtain that knowledge) of the existence of God. It doesn't say anything about what you believe in.
You can either be a theist, beliving in a personal, active God (like the one from the Bible), a deist (believing in a impersonal God, that is no longer active in in the world) or an atheist (lacking the belief in a God) (I leave out the other options for clarity)
Erm, I never said anything about "believing",
http://www.religioustolerance.org/agnostic.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

What's your point?
allonym
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #446 on: April 09, 2006, 05:46 PM »

Umm. . . there is a little known secretoutside of the world of those who study physics. . .

all laws of physicsare not exact.  Essentially, they describe what would happen on a probabilistic basis.

For example, if you toss a fair coin, you expect that over time, the ratio of heads to tails will approach 1:1.

Similarly, if you push an object a lot of times while it rests on a surface which imparts zero friction onto it and somehow manage to isolate it from all forces that don't act perpendicular to the plan of motion, you would probabilistically expect the object to remain in motion.

Just like it is actually impossible to "prove" the fair coin experiment - ie, you deform the coin each time you flip it and its contact with air, light waves, hitting the floor changes its composition and distribution so you'D never be flipping the exact same coin the exact same way,

neither can you really conduct an experiment that would definitively prove the law of inertia holds for all cases.

If this wasn't enough, there are alternate theories which can explain the effects that we currently observe (ie - if correct, it means that our concept of inertia is actually wrong) but those theories have not been proven beyond . . . a scientific doubt - or we don't have the technology or knowledge to observe effects which would prove this theory.

This is a basic . . .example in bayesian decision texts.  A man has a burglar alarm which goes off when a burglar is detected.  however, it also goes off if an earthquake is experience near his home.  When the alarm goes off, the man gets a message on his phone.   So, the man is at work one day and gets the message.  If there was a burglary, he should probably rush home.  However, if it was just an earthquake, then he can stay at work.  If the man turns on the radio, and hears that an earthquake occurred, then that can explain the alarm and decrease the man's belief that it was a burglar.

Right now, for "large" masses, newton's laws apply.  However, we already know that inertia does not apply to an electron or many other "small" molecules.  We have relativity and associated theories which seem to explain the effects we observe (to some degree), however, there are people who are working on new theories that can explain those effects and show newton and relativity to be wrong.

These new theories are like the man discovering he had rats in his basement which sometimes would cause the alarm to go off.  The rats would only move when an earthquake occurred.  So, now, while the alarm and the observations as to the cause remain correlated, there is a hidden link exposed between the two.
jayvinnie (m)
Re: I Do Not Believe in God
« #447 on: April 20, 2006, 12:01 AM »

I will believe in God if you show me some solid evidence of his existence. There is none.
The moment you start describing properties of God, he becomes self contradictory. All what is left in the end if faith in the unknown and unknowable.

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