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Drusilla (f)
Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« on: February 10, 2007, 07:11 AM »

Barak's Democratic Keynote Speech:

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That we can participate in the political process without fear of retribution, and that our votes will be counted -- or at least, most of the time.

Did this man miss republicans openly sending letters to black and hispanic voters that they will be put in jail if they show up to vote? (called voter suppression by strategists)

Does he really think the 55,000 mostly Black area votes that Katherine Harris was found guilty of throwing out in 2000, to be okay because most other people's votes counted?

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They know that parents have to parent, that children can't achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white.

Is Mr. Obama aware of the system in place in the Ghetto's where mostly poor residents are forced by threat of jail to send their kids to schools that are violent?

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No, people don't expect government to solve all their problems.

Is Mr. Barak aware that at the height of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, President Bush got on TV to announce changes in telemarketing laws. So that Americans did not have to be disturbed by telemarketers during dinner?

Americans expect the government to solve even small trivial problems such as having to answer the phone maybe once a week and hanging up on a telemarketer.

The man does not seem to have a grasp of what America really cares about.  We are pretty fat and lazy and hope the government does everything for us.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #1 on: February 10, 2007, 07:20 AM »

Barak reminds me of President Bush. Who suppossedly asked in Brazil -- do you have Blacks here too? (Brazil is 50 percent Black outright and then many variations of Black to about 90 percent.)

Just dumb.

WesleyanA (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #2 on: February 10, 2007, 07:52 PM »

do you mind putting up the whole speech up.
selective quotes only confuses people.


He worked for years as a civil rights attorney in Chicago and a south side community organizer.
you can't assume that he knows nothing about minority or poor residents. Or try to convince people that just because of some selective quotes you put up.

put the whole speech up please.  Undecided
Drusilla (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #3 on: February 10, 2007, 08:05 PM »

Wes,

Selective quotes actually end confusion and get right to what I want to talk about, sometimes.

In my opinion.

I was just picking on Barak, the words that disturb me.

However, You should feel free to post the whole speech. It's widely available on the internet.  Show me what you want me to see about him, I am open.
Sista (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #4 on: February 10, 2007, 10:56 PM »

Hello WesleyanA, how are you? I miss you so much!  Cheesy
JosBoy4Lif (m)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #5 on: February 10, 2007, 10:58 PM »

Barak is the people's champ, but he won't win, im tipping for Mrs. Clinton
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #6 on: February 10, 2007, 10:59 PM »

"Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Dick Durbin. You make us all proud.

On behalf of the great state of Illinois, crossroads of a nation, Land of Lincoln, let me express my deepest gratitude for the privilege of addressing this convention.

Tonight is a particular honor for me because, let’s face it, my presence on this stage is pretty unlikely. My father was a foreign student, born and raised in a small village in Kenya. He grew up herding goats, went to school in a tin-roof shack. His father -- my grandfather -- was a cook, a domestic servant to the British.

But my grandfather had larger dreams for his son. Through hard work and perseverance my father got a scholarship to study in a magical place, America, that shone as a beacon of freedom and opportunity to so many who had come before.

While studying here, my father met my mother. She was born in a town on the other side of the world, in Kansas. Her father worked on oil rigs and farms through most of the Depression. The day after Pearl Harbor my grandfather signed up for duty; joined Patton’s army, marched across Europe. Back home, my grandmother raised a baby and went to work on a bomber assembly line. After the war, they studied on the G.I. Bill, bought a house through F.H.A., and later moved west all the way to Hawaii in search of opportunity.

And they, too, had big dreams for their daughter. A common dream, born of two continents.

My parents shared not only an improbable love, they shared an abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation. They would give me an African name, Barack, or ”blessed,” believing that in a tolerant America your name is no barrier to success. They imagined -- They imagined me going to the best schools in the land, even though they weren’t rich, because in a generous America you don’t have to be rich to achieve your potential.

  They're both passed away now. And yet, I know that on this night they look down on me with great pride.

They stand here -- And I stand here today, grateful for the diversity of my heritage, aware that my parents’ dreams live on in my two precious daughters. I stand here knowing that my story is part of the larger American story, that I owe a debt to all of those who came before me, and that, in no other country on earth, is my story even possible.

Tonight, we gather to affirm the greatness of our Nation — not because of the height of our skyscrapers, or the power of our military, or the size of our economy. Our pride is based on a very simple premise, summed up in a declaration made over two hundred years ago:

        We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That is the true genius of America, a faith -- a faith in simple dreams, an insistence on small miracles; that we can tuck in our children at night and know that they are fed and clothed and safe from harm; that we can say what we think, write what we think, without hearing a sudden knock on the door; that we can have an idea and start our own business without paying a bribe; that we can participate in the political process without fear of retribution, and that our votes will be counted -- at least most of the time.

This year, in this election we are called to reaffirm our values and our commitments, to hold them against a hard reality and see how we're measuring up to the legacy of our forbearers and the promise of future generations.

And fellow Americans, Democrats, Republicans, Independents, I say to you tonight: We have more work to do --  more work to do for the workers I met in Galesburg, Illinois, who are losing their union jobs at the Maytag plant that’s moving to Mexico, and now are having to compete with their own children for jobs that pay seven bucks an hour; more to do for the father that I met who was losing his job and choking back the tears, wondering how he would pay 4500 dollars a month for the drugs his son needs without the health benefits that he counted on; more to do for the young woman in East St. Louis, and thousands more like her, who has the grades, has the drive, has the will, but doesn’t have the money to go to college.

Now, don’t get me wrong. The people I meet -- in small towns and big cities, in diners and office parks -- they don’t expect government to solve all their problems. They know they have to work hard to get ahead,  and they want to. Go into the collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you they don’t want their tax money wasted, by a welfare agency or by the Pentagon. Go in -- Go into any inner city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can’t teach our kids to learn; they know that parents have to teach, that children can’t achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white. They know those things.

People don’t expect -- People don't expect government to solve all their problems. But they sense, deep in their bones, that with just a slight change in priorities, we can make sure that every child in America has a decent shot at life, and that the doors of opportunity remain open to all.

They know we can do better. And they want that choice.

In this election, we offer that choice. Our Party has chosen a man to lead us who embodies the best this country has to offer. And that man is John Kerry.

 John Kerry understands the ideals of community, faith, and service because they’ve defined his life. From his heroic service to Vietnam, to his years as a prosecutor and lieutenant governor, through two decades in the United States Senate, he's devoted himself to this country. Again and again, we’ve seen him make tough choices when easier ones were available.

His values and his record and affirm what is best in us. John Kerry believes in an America where hard work is rewarded; so instead of offering tax breaks to companies shipping jobs overseas, he offers them to companies creating jobs here at home.

John Kerry believes in an America where all Americans can afford the same health coverage our politicians in Washington have for themselves.

John Kerry believes in energy independence, so we aren’t held hostage to the profits of oil companies, or the sabotage of foreign oil fields.

John Kerry believes in the Constitutional freedoms that have made our country the envy of the world, and he will never sacrifice our basic liberties, nor use faith as a wedge to divide us.

And John Kerry believes that in a dangerous world war must be an option sometimes, but it should never be the first option.

You know, a while back -- awhile back I met a young man named Shamus in a V.F.W. Hall in East Moline, Illinois. He was a good-looking kid -- six two, six three, clear eyed, with an easy smile. He told me he’d joined the Marines and was heading to Iraq the following week. And as I listened to him explain why he’d enlisted, the absolute faith he had in our country and its leaders, his devotion to duty and service, I thought this young man was all that any of us might ever hope for in a child.

But then I asked myself, "Are we serving Shamus as well as he is serving us?"

I thought of the 900 men and women -- sons and daughters, husbands and wives, friends and neighbors, who won’t be returning to their own hometowns. I thought of the families I’ve met who were struggling to get by without a loved one’s full income, or whose loved ones had returned with a limb missing or nerves shattered, but still lacked long-term health benefits because they were Reservists.

When we send our young men and women into harm’s way, we have a solemn obligation not to fudge the numbers or shade the truth about why they’re going, to care for their families while they’re gone, to tend to the soldiers upon their return, and to never ever go to war without enough troops to win the war, secure the peace, and earn the respect of the world.

Now -- Now let me be clear. Let me be clear. We have real enemies in the world. These enemies must be found. They must be pursued. And they must be defeated. John Kerry knows this. And just as Lieutenant Kerry did not hesitate to risk his life to protect the men who served with him in Vietnam, President Kerry will not hesitate one moment to use our military might to keep America safe and secure.

John Kerry believes in America. And he knows that it’s not enough for just some of us to prosper -- for alongside our famous individualism, there’s another ingredient in the American saga,  a belief that we’re all connected as one people. If there is a child on the south side of Chicago who can’t read, that matters to me, even if it’s not my child. If there is a senior citizen somewhere who can’t pay for their prescription drugs, and having to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it’s not my grandparent. If there’s an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties.

It is that fundamental belief -- It is that fundamental belief: I am my brother’s keeper. I am my sister’s keeper that makes this country work. It’s what allows us to pursue our individual dreams and yet still come together as one American family.

E pluribus unum: "Out of many, one."

Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us -- the spin masters, the negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of "anything goes." Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America -- there is the United States of America. There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America -- there’s the United States of America.

The pundits, the pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I’ve got news for them, too. We worship an "awesome God" in the Blue States, and we don’t like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and yes, we’ve got some gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.

In the end -- In the end -- In the end, that’s what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or do we participate in a politics of hope?

John Kerry calls on us to hope. John Edwards calls on us to hope.

I’m not talking about blind optimism here -- the almost willful ignorance that thinks unemployment will go away if we just don’t think about it, or the health care crisis will solve itself if we just ignore it. That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about something more substantial. It’s the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom songs; the hope of immigrants setting out for distant shores; the hope of a young naval lieutenant bravely patrolling the Mekong Delta; the hope of a millworker’s son who dares to defy the odds; the hope of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for him, too.

Hope -- Hope in the face of difficulty. Hope in the face of uncertainty. The audacity of hope!

In the end, that is God’s greatest gift to us, the bedrock of this nation. A belief in things not seen. A belief that there are better days ahead.

I believe that we can give our middle class relief and provide working families with a road to opportunity.

I believe we can provide jobs to the jobless, homes to the homeless, and reclaim young people in cities across America from violence and despair.

I believe that we have a righteous wind at our backs and that as we stand on the crossroads of history, we can make the right choices, and meet the challenges that face us.

America! Tonight, if you feel the same energy that I do, if you feel the same urgency that I do, if you feel the same passion that I do, if you feel the same hopefulness that I do -- if we do what we must do, then I have no doubt that all across the country, from Florida to Oregon, from Washington to Maine, the people will rise up in November, and John Kerry will be sworn in as President, and John Edwards will be sworn in as Vice President, and this country will reclaim its promise, and out of this long political darkness a brighter day will come.

Thank you very much everybody. God bless you. Thank you."

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WesleyanA (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #7 on: February 10, 2007, 11:01 PM »

I don't mind him winning though. I don't mind Clinton winning either
I just don't want a republican as president


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I was just picking on Barak

you may pick on someone else. like bush

btway, that speech was a 2004 speech he was making on behalf of Jonh Kerry when kerry was still running.
did you vote for bush or kerry?
Sista (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #8 on: February 10, 2007, 11:05 PM »

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Is Mr. Obama aware of the system in place in the Ghetto's where mostly poor residents are forced by threat of jail to send their kids to schools that are violent?


Does it really matter? Obama is nothing but a deterrent, he won't win the election. The main stream corporate media has an Agenda in doing it's best to make sure of that as the media does all the time when a black person is running.


Just think about Tom Bradley and Duke Major?


Just think about Ronald Reagan and Jesse Jackson? see the pattern?


Jesse Jackson and Obama are nothing but stalking horses, a sifting an flushing out system to ensure that only significant whites are the ones who end up elected.
Sista (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #9 on: February 10, 2007, 11:09 PM »

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Barak is the people's champ, but he won't win, im tipping for Mrs. Clinton


She won't win either, that is the whole agenda of mainstream corporate media. They are going to wind up coupling Obama and Hilary, which do you think the elite who, happens to be the most influential in in electoral votes, what will they think is the worst? A woman or a black man? Neither one of them is and that is why they are going to wound up bringing in another one of Bush's Allies. That probably would have been Schwarzenegger but he was not born in America and one of the rules is, you have to be born in America to become president but not governor.


Unless however, they conveniently change the rules, LOL
JosBoy4Lif (m)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #10 on: February 10, 2007, 11:11 PM »

Right now Clinton has about 2/5's of america's vote, just for being who she is.
If she can convinve 1/5 of America to vote for her she will win! The picket fence individuals
Sista (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #11 on: February 10, 2007, 11:15 PM »

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Right now Clinton has about 2/5's of america's vote, just for being who she is.
If she can convinve 1/5 of America to vote for her she will win! The picket fence individuals


That would truly be an American revolution, who knows, maybe the time is now, hmmm


I doubt it. Shocked


However, we will soon see. As of yet, they have not coupled the two, that being Clinton and Obama but they are building up to that. As I said, that is a part of the mainstream corporate Agenda.
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #12 on: February 10, 2007, 11:22 PM »

obama is running for presidency. he declared it today
and Hillary already declared hers

I don't see how they'll couple the two.

@sista, we should be optimistic at least. lol
we never know
Sista (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #13 on: February 10, 2007, 11:38 PM »

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obama is running for presidency. he declared it today
and Hillary already declared hers


Uh oh, all hell is about to break loose.  Grin


Being optimistic though, who knows, this year might be the year for an actual revolutionary change in America.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #14 on: February 11, 2007, 01:05 AM »

One thing am very sure of is that one of the above is going to happen; could be Hillary could be Obama, the white man has really failed and this failure was what they were trying to remedy and that eventually gave birth to blacks being allowed to become secretary of states, the American politics is in shambles and America is losing its all mighty status of being the  ever powerful, with America's foreign policies it can not be saved, the only thing I can forsee them  try to do is shift the blame by looking for scape goats, obama should watch out if he ever wins because they would have preferred the blacks to continue in perpetual state of political myrmidon and that means he could end up being a sacrificial lamb.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #15 on: February 11, 2007, 06:19 AM »

I think the campaign alone will strenghthen Barak for a time when maybe he can win.

It never hurts to try, as long as he learns and grows from this campaign.
GNature (m)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #16 on: February 11, 2007, 07:18 AM »

Drusilla, my sister

I think your comparing Obama to george bush is really unfair. You can't seriously believe Barak Obama is that out of touch with common folks like bush.

Barak Obama ? Dumb ??  Its almost as if I am dreaming.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #17 on: February 11, 2007, 07:34 AM »

Gnature,

Really, I know next to nothing about the man. I was just picking on him.

But every thing I hear him say, just seems like some "opie" answer. ("opie" is the little white character of the TV show --Andy Griffin), just dumb and placating the mass's.

He has yet to say anything worth commenting on really, except for the dumb remarks. Everything else he says is the standard bullshyte that politicians are supposed to say.

But like I said, I am open. He could turn out to be a number one stunner, if he grows some balls and says some really unique things.

Wouldn't it be nice, if he had the fearless courage of President Lincoln, whom he likes to relate himself too?
GNature (m)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #18 on: February 11, 2007, 07:42 AM »

Drusiila,

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were serious  Wink

Yes, i don't know much about him either, except for the usual political rhetoric. It'll be nice to know where he stands on the issues, whether he'll  speak his heart or just say whatever in order to appease voters.

He is a very bright guy though - Harvard Law School Graduate. I guess time will tell what he's really all about.
Seun (m)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #19 on: February 11, 2007, 07:47 AM »

Blacks attacking blacks.  Hehe, a backward race indeed.
JosBoy4Lif (m)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #20 on: February 11, 2007, 07:50 AM »

You guys don't know Barak.
I find this sad, I'm from Canada, and even I know he is as liberal as they get, not too mention Mensa IQ Grade
Drusilla (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #21 on: February 11, 2007, 07:55 AM »

Gnature,

Harvard Law tells me that he is Anal retentive as we say and that does mean that he is qualified to run a campaign for president.

However it says nothing to me about who he really is. If you read the whole speech, you get the definite feeling that he is holding something back and that is a sign that he could be just a very smart Black person.

White people however rarely trust "almost whites".

For many years whites discussed openly that the worst people in the world were "Mixed Blacks".  They  proclaimed their love of Full Blacks.

(Look at the animosity between Colin Powell and Bush and the complete submissiveness of Condileeza Rice and Bush)

So he got a hard way to go if he is truly foolish enough to believe that whites are going to vote for him because they will just honestly pick the best person for the job.

No, whites would rather put Condi in office than Obama.

I am hoping she runs for office. I think it will be the best thing in the world for Condi to be the first official Black president. (There have been 5 Black Presidents --i.e. those with one drop of Black, one even fought hard to keep his Blackness from coming to light.)
Drusilla (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #22 on: February 11, 2007, 07:59 AM »

Seun,

I am waiting for the day, when Blacks can attack Blacks and everybody YAWNS.

Instead of how it is in Africa and Ghetto's now, attacked this week and the next week murder.
JosBoy4Lif (m)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #23 on: February 11, 2007, 08:00 AM »

Five Black presidents, Don't tell me you count Lincoln and Co. as black men?
Drusilla (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #24 on: February 11, 2007, 08:03 AM »

Jos,

No. Remember, we have the one drop law in America. This is how we know we have had 5 Black presidents.

And do remember, I am NOT a liberal. I think liberals are worse than conservatives.

JosBoy4Lif (m)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #25 on: February 11, 2007, 08:07 AM »

Drusilla,
So what are you then Democratic? Because that parties main plateau is Liberalism,
Man they never said they were black, all of them except for one denied that they had black heritage. History will never paint them black.
Let us not claim what was never ours. Now if Obama wins then we will be talking business
Seun (m)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #26 on: February 11, 2007, 08:11 AM »

You should be supporting Obama instead of calling him "backward".  Isn't that obvious?  Huh
JosBoy4Lif (m)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #27 on: February 11, 2007, 08:12 AM »

Well how many black people voted for Jesse Jackson?
GNature (m)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #28 on: February 11, 2007, 08:13 AM »

Interesting Drusilla.

Well, in my over 10 years of living and working in the states, I actually feel whites are more comfortable with "mixed blacks" than others. I think they feel that light skinned blacks probably have a white mother or father and are less likely to be racist.

I don't have any evidence to prove this, but it is an observation I (and many others) have made.  So based on this, I think Obama is more electable than Rice (afterall Obama's mom is white).

In the overall scheme of things, I don't think America (actually white america) is ready for a Black President. All those poll numbers are just garbage, because whites seldom show who they really are for polling purposes. Come voting time, it'll be an entirely different story.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #29 on: February 11, 2007, 08:25 AM »

Seun,

Obama just has not left the "Yawn" category for me yet. So I don't support him. 
Drusilla (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #30 on: February 11, 2007, 08:27 AM »

Jos,

Jessie Jackson recieved 7 million votes, this gave him the second highest amount of votes for a democratic contender. I don't know how many were Black.

Jessie Jackson is supported greatly by white conservative democrats, so they voted for him also. (He is brought in during strikes to help striking workers (white) and they love him for it. )
Drusilla (f)
Re: Barak Obama's Backwardness.
« #31 on: February 11, 2007, 08:35 AM »

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Interesting Drusilla.

Well, in my over 10 years of living and working in the states, I actually feel whites are more comfortable with "mixed blacks" than others. I think they feel that light skinned blacks probably have a white mother or father and are less likely to be racist.

I don't have any evidence to prove this, but it is an observation I (and many others) have made.  So based on this, I think Obama is more electable than Rice (afterall Obama's mom is white).

I think you may be observing a trust issue. I may hate your white ass but since you are my mother, I will not kill you. Is the thinking. Their used to being hated by even their own white kids, so that feels 'normal' to them.

And your right, we are not ready for a Black president and by the time we get one, it won't matter anyways, eh?
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