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sage (m)
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It pains me when people expose their ignorance in public without any desire tolearn. Their mind is made up and they just refuse to see reason even in the light of the Word. Let any one that want to verify anything carry a patient who is certified sick by any hospital of your choice. Register him with the Christ Embasy Healing School (ofcourse that is done with medical record only) and then get the same doctors and lab scientists to conduct their tests after Pastor Chris would have ministered to the sick man. If nothing happens, you can them talk out of knowledge not ignorance. Wisodm is profitable to direct.
As for the ban, why have they not banned all the other things that glorify the kingdom of darkness. What of the obscenities that have crept into the home videos? And if I may ask: Who made NBC the discerner of Spiritual Verities?? Dear Christians, who has bewitched you? Have you started in the spirit ans now want to continue in the flesh? Where is the gift of discernment? And even if there is anything false or fake in the miracles (if that is the result of your discernment), did your Lord, Master and Employer not say that the wheat should be allowed to grow with the tares? Are you now wiser than Him??
Did He not say that you will do greater works than He did?? And when He came to the pool of Bethsaida, did He heal all the sick or just the crippled man??
Please ask yourself some honest questions and let the Spirit of god guide you, lest you become the ignorant and zealous Saul(Paul) that kicked against the pricks in his bid to serve and work for God.
Shalom!
My friend i think it is me thet it really pains when ignorant people think others are ignorant. Why can't they verify their miracles? Millions of Aids patients in the miracle performing countries of Africa are dying while people in the west who go for medical treatment live for 20, 30, 40 years without problems. Who is decieving who? Even Paul commended those who verified all he taught and did to make sure they were correct b/4 believing. Y should the nigerian pastors say that verifying miracles is testing GOD? Even Paul did not say that. |
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donnie (m)
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People are dying simply because of their lack of knowledge and unbelief. In Nazareth, Jesus' home town, He could not do any mighty work because of their unbelief.
You certainly are unaware that satan is the God of this world's system and as such, as many as will chose to live without the grace of God will leave under his influence. You are unaware that the spirit of the anti-christ is at work in our day more than ever before. He is in charge of most of the media.
That is why, news about deaths, natural disasters, corruption,rapes, dirty music/ movies and so on travel very very fast. Wheras news of the Kingdom of God is discarded as mere religious fanatism.
I laughed when i saw advertised in a news magazine the 'first case ever of a person(a young man)who was totally healed of AIDS.' I felt pity for them. How blind the world really is! They are only hearing of the first case of AIDS being healed whereas i have witnessed several cases of full-blown AIDS dematerialise under the power of God.
That is why i always fight with religious folks who always seek to bring down those with whom the power of God is being demonstrated, because of envy...rather than bow their faces, lifting up their voices to God in prayer that He might pour more of His glory upon His church in these last days in signs wonders and miracles that the world may marvel...and fear!
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Dmystery
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Well said Donnie.
As for you Sage, where in the Bible did Paul tell you to verify what he taught before believing. Bible said in Rom 8:24: For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? If you are really a christian sage, then you should speak the wisdom of God, but not with words which man's wisdom teaches. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. That is what I knew Paul said in I Corinthians Chapter 2. I mean no offence but why should you choose to camp with the ignorant without yielding yourself to sound doctrine.
As for westerners living longer with AIDS, that is because they have medical science which assists but does not heal the patient. Moreover, we have more AIDS victims here in Africa than there. Go to South Africa and see the number of people that have been healed by the "stone which the builders rejected". One thing is certain, whether you people believe it or not, whether you will accomodate it or not, these miracles will continue. This was the kind of situation that made Jesus reply to Herod in anger in Lk 13:32,: "And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected. " Read upto verse 35 and you will wonder if it is not the same thing that is happening to Nigeria.
If you had read my last posting very well, you would have seen the line that challenged the doubters to go and verify with any sick patient of their choice. It would have been more sagacious for you to do so before coming to write any other thing. Once again I say, Wisdom is justified by her children!
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sage (m)
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Paul commended them 4 verifying the things he had thought and done 4 them. Il be back to give u the correct spelling so i don't spell it wrongly.
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goodguy (m)
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Honestly, I really don't see anything wrong in pastors performing miracles. Who are we humans to judge anyway? As others have rightly said, Satan is the god of this age and will stop at nothing to carry out his plans successfully. He has succeeded in deceiving many already. I just pray God will help us live our lives right.
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allonym
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i thought it was a ban on unverified miracles.
Someone either let me know if I'm wrong or let me know why I should believe a potentially false miracle?
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donnie (m)
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I suggest you read from page 1
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allonym
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i did, and nobody has actually posted anything about th topic which is: The NBC ban of unverified TV miracles in Nigeria
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lagerwhenindoubt (m)
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I am a recipient of some miracles myself.. no doubt they exist, the fact that i am alive today is a miracle. death must be envious after trying several times to get me to kick the bucket.
anyway.. I think miracles should be done like Jesus Christ did.. do not publicise it, just tell them to thank God and repent..
I personally do not take it too kindly to Pastors wearing jerry-curls and reeking of perfume and talking all about prosperity and monies and stealing the wealth the devil owns with constant binding and casting.
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donnie (m)
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Jery curls?... perfumes?... prosperity?... ???hmm
That is your personal problem...with no scriptural basis.
Who told you Jesus dosn't want us to testify of his goodness in our lives?
In fact, he want us to noise them abroad!
...And i don't think you have any problem with all the news of sex, evil, deaths and destruction that is noised daily by the (satan-dominated) media.
Do you know know about His word that says,"they overcame by the blood of the lamb and by te word of their testimony".
When we show miracles on TV, we are giving the recipients opportunity to testify of the Lord's goodness to the world.
You had better keep testifying of the Lord's doings in your life if you want to retain that miracle.
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donnie (m)
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Allonym,
I copied this from one of my previous posts:
If you are looking for a proof, i am a living proof. I have experienced a miracle of healing before in a healing crusade of Christ Embassy.
Apart from that, I have witnessed a blind man regain his sight in one of Pator Chris' meetings in Port Harcourt. I was a councellor in that meeting and i took record of that particular testimony and refered the man to a doctor for testing(verification).
Every one of those miracles you see on TV. have been tested and proven by trained doctors who are part of the healing team. We usually have thousands of doctors, nurses and biochemists in this team. Every one of those healings you see on TV have been verified by these doctors.
The NBC knows for sure that the miracles are true. That is why up till now, they have not come up with an approved verification body or even a well laid down procedure for verification. They are just acting on instructions.
I read about a lady who is a senior officer of NBC who said that Nigerian doctors were not trust worthy and as such should not be given the resposibility of verifying these miracles. This woman happened to be the wife of the General Overseer of Four square gospel Church, who was at the time, the vice president of the PFN and also a major supporter of the Ban. So the Churches can't verify, Nigerian doctors are too currupt to verify...So NBC becomes all and all...from prosecutor to "Almighty judge"!
My question for these PFN leaders is this: They believe in Benny Hinn and Renhard Bonke's ministries. Is it easier for them to go to America to verify miracles than to go to the addresses of those we put on TV? Their names and addresses are available. These people have clear identities in Nigeria. Why don't they go there to prove the miracles wrong?
Many of those who are shown on TV have medical certificates to prove their conditions.
The NBC could even book for an appointment with the healing school of christ embassy so as to interview these candidates, carry out tests on them and watch the healing service live.
But they would not do this...they are only interested in carrying out their anti-christ inspiresd campaign. Unfortunately for those christians who are supporters of the bann, they are unaware of the fact that they are dancing to the tune of the Spirit of the Anti-Christ.
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donnie (m)
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It is too late for the devil... God is bigger than NBC. We now own several satelite stations around the world. Millions are witnessing the power of God right in their homes. All over this country and around the world. check this out: www.loveworldchristiannetwork.net |
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gospelman (m)
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Holy brethren,this is my contribution:
those who are in support of the ban, when they get sick, and the doctor has given up on them,they will look for miracles and none of these guys who have criticized the miracles can help them.
And their pride will not let them go to those they have criticized.So what? They will have two options:
1.Lay down your pride,feel sorry for yourself for criticising, and go to be healed,or
2.Remain in your pride and die of the sickness.
That's the bottom line.Then we would know who be the fake.
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viviansam (f)
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This issue is a sensitive one. personally, I would prefer to leave spiritual matters like this to God. Y. We were not there when the prophets of the old performed miracles. God can still use people now. One thing is clear, it will be difficult for such regulations to sail thro in a democratic dispensation.Religious issues are real sensitive and one is rather careful in commenting on them or passing regulations on them. We don't want to offend God. I agree that some people are fake and are just doing marketing in the tv/radio. but that doesnt foreclose the fact that God still use some people to work miracles depending on your faith. NBC regulation or ban..? Not really the solution.?
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gospelman (m)
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I quite understand you point Viviansam.
But the issue is that we cannot be in between in this matter.The bible says to contend for the faith that has been delivered into our hands,so it is not God who is going to do that.
The most worrisome thing about his matter is that it is those who say they are Christians that are saying some miracles are not real and all that.Some even say miracles don't happen again.Some demand for a scientific proof.This is worrisome!What scientific evidence do they have that Jesus was born of a virgin,or that there is one called God Almighty? What scientific evidence do they have that they are filled with the Holy Ghost? How do they know that the tongues they speak is not fake?
Now if we keep saying that some Miracles performed in the name of Jesus are fake and some real,what we are doing is telling the unbelievers that "they would have a hard time knowing when a miracle is from God".
The point is that most times we think we believe in God,when we actually don't,that we have faith when we actually don't.If you demand a proof of a miracle,it is proof positive that you do not believe!Period.
And as for those who support the ban,what they have just done is sell their votes to the ungodly.The fact is that no one can stop the move of the Spirit;no one has ever contended successfully with the wind.
Now,if you ban miracles on TV,you cannot ban it on the internet;you cannot barn it on satelite TV.
If you do we would go from house to house healling the sick.
The point is that these people have not seen anything yet.We are just warming up.There is a move that is going to hit this country and every ear that hears it will tingle.I mean there would be holy commotion at every street corner,etc because some miracle has just taken place.I mean this won't be Pastor Chris.It would some young fellows out there command miracles to take place in the name of Jesus!
You will see it!The papers will try to play this down,so it will not be in their power to spread it because everyone will see it,especially those who belong to the School of Thomas.
Watch out!
Gospelman
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cutebaby
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they are wasting their time. let them go and verify all the miracles in d bible after that, then approve the bible to use.
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allonym
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Holy brethren,this is my contribution:
those who are in support of the ban, when they get sick, and the doctor has given up on them,they will look for miracles and none of these guys who have criticized the miracles can help them.
And their pride will not let them go to those they have criticized.So what? They will have two options:
1.Lay down your pride,feel sorry for yourself for criticising, and go to be healed,or
2.Remain in your pride and die of the sickness.
That's the bottom line.Then we would know who be the fake.
If this were true, most of the world would be cured of any maladies since most of us would have swallowed our pride (if we were against miracle workers before) to go and be "cured" after exhausting what medical science has to offer. Since Africa is the continent with the greatest number of AIDS and new HIV cases EVERY DAY, I seriously doubt the "miracle" workers are really doing much. |
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gospelman (m)
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Allonym,
I get your point real good.But if you ever read about the ministry of the Lord Jesus,he never went looking for the sick to heal them.He created several opportunities for the sick and all that need a miracle to come.When they came believing they got what they wanted.Now,it was the faith of the sick and in some cases the sick's family member(s), that got the miracle.In Jesus own home tow He could not perform many miracles there and He marvelled at their unbelief. So what? He went about teaching in that city because their unbelief was heavy.Got that?
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gospelman (m)
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Allonym,
I get your point real good.But if you ever read about the ministry of the Lord Jesus,he never went looking for the sick to heal them.He created several opportunities for the sick and all that need a miracle to come.When they came believing they got what they wanted.Now,it was the faith of the sick and in some cases the sick's family member(s), that got the miracle.In Jesus own home tow He could not perform many miracles there and He marvelled at their unbelief. So what? He went about teaching in that city because their unbelief was heavy.Got that?
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donnie (m)
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Allonym,
It may suprise you , but many of those who are sick do not want to be haeld.
Jesus in his day, did not heal every sick person he met.
The crippled man at the gate of the temple had been there for 38 long years. Jesus went through that gate in to the temple several times but never attempted to heal the man.
He went to the pool of Bethsaida where there were several sick folk and healed only one man.
I was in a heling meeting with pastor Chris at the National Syadium Lagos where i saw something that amazed me. While thousands of sick folk struggled to get places in front there was this girl who went about with a paper saying 'DEAF and DUMB'.
Amazed at her, i asked her when she approached me with as much sign language as i could why she was not in the front waiting to be healed.
I tell you, the look she gave me told me and those around me that she hated me for that suggestion and she immediately left me and continued begging around.
Those beggars on the streets....i tell you give one of them a million naira, and you'll see him back there the next day. The same with the sick and crippled....many don't want to be healed.
Anyone who comes to Jesus in faith will not leave disappointed!
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donnie (m)
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Gospel man,
I tell you, that revival is already on.
It's happening in the children's churches, secondary schools, universities and in our churches all around.... Praise God!
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allonym
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Allonym,
It may suprise you , but many of those who are sick do not want to be haeld.
Jesus in his day, did not heal every sick person he met.
The crippled man at the gate of the temple had been there for 38 long years. Jesus went through that gate in to the temple several times but never attempted to heal the man.
He went to the pool of Bethsaida where there were several sick folk and healed only one man.
I was in a heling meeting with pastor Chris at the National Syadium Lagos where i saw something that amazed me. While thousands of sick folk struggled to get places in front there was this girl who went about with a paper saying 'DEAF and DUMB'.
Amazed at her, i asked her when she approached me with as much sign language as i could why she was not in the front waiting to be healed.
I tell you, the look she gave me told me and those around me that she hated me for that suggestion and she immediately left me and continued begging around.
Those beggars on the streets.i tell you give one of them a million naira, and you'll see him back there the next day. The same with the sick and crippled.many don't want to be healed.
Anyone who comes to Jesus in faith will not leave disappointed!
It seems to me that it is you who will encounter surprise in your life. Really, here is the problem. There is a man who currently has a leg problem and comes to the church praying for help confessing that he believes he will be healed. If he is not healed either: 1) He did not truely believe 2) His prayers or those of others were not sincere 3) God has decided it is not his time 4) He was being selfish 5) God has already decided he is never to be healed 6) He will learn to be content and thus go away "satisfied" If he is healed: 1) God answered his prayer and granted him a miracle. For many people, those are their explanations. Maybe you cannot see it, but I see this as total bs. |
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gospelman (m)
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Allonym,
I think the time is ripe for us to get into another topic.How about that?
Believe it or not miracles are real and are happening today!
Maybe what yo need tot do is take a census of all the sick people,so that when anyone of them dares to believe and gets healed,you will then be convinced;because the person would have been in your database of sick folks.
But remember that blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed!So you are blessed simply because you believe in miracles.That also means that you are not blessed for not believing in miracles.Period!
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donnie (m)
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Allonym,
If you are seeking knowledge and information about God's miraculous power and how one can appropriate it in his/her life i think you should do that the proper way. It is not always ideal to appear to be critical, always questioning/doubting God or his works.
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allonym
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Allonym,
If you are seeking knowledge and information about God's miraculous power and how one can appropriate it in his/her life i think you should do that the proper way. It is not always ideal to appear to be critical, always questioning/doubting God or his works.
I'm seeking knowledge and information about the manifestations of God's miraculous powers in other peoples lives. So, I want to see a man who was born blind and gained sight. I want to see someone who was dead and buried who was brought back to life. I want to see someone who was born deaf being able to hear, etc. However, I have never seen it. Not only have I never seen it, but anyone who claimed to be the reciepient of such miracles seem to dissapear off the face of the earth by the time I get around to researching them. Or when others do the research, the doctors conviniently have lost all patient records or don't remember ever diagnosing the person with a condition. I am not being critical of God's works. I'm being critical of the FAKE works of human beings. Those are two different things. I am not doubting God's works, I'm doubting the FAKE works of human beings. Those are two different things. |
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Enigma (m)
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GOD does miracles every day. Most televangelists who claim to perform miracles are liars and deceivers.
Even Jesus said it that when some ask "did we not do miracles in your name?" He will tell them to get lost because they were evil doers.
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owo (m)
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Up to 1992, I had frequent ( about twice a week) bouts of migrain. My academic pursuits suffered as a result. After praying one day, I had an assurance in my heart that it will never come again. Till date it has not showed up again, no, not even the slightest hint of it.
In 1987, my younger brother slumped, struggled with his neck and died, I mean dead (we have more than our fair share of medical practitioners in my family)..as in cold and stretched.
My mum's younger Sister prayed and cried and prayed for this boy until he came back to life. The boy is in the University as I write.
I do not know whether what happened to other people is true/real or not, but I am sure that there is God who hears prayers, answers them and performs things that nobody on earth can do.
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donnie (m)
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Enigma, GOD does miracles every day. Most televangelists who claim to perform miracles are liars and deceivers.
Even Jesus said it that when some ask "did we not do miracles in your name?" He will tell them to get lost because they were evil doers.
Are you speaking from what you know or merely expressing the corruption and deciet that you have in your own heart? You are quoting scripture out of context my friend. If Jesus said they performed miracles in His name, does that not mean that they performed miracles. Do not use your spiritual dryness as a yardstick to judge others. There are those who are annointed/ empowered by God to perform miracles and the bible talks about such. If you have not witnessd a miracle before, its a pity my friend because millions are experiencing the power of God all over the world. 1cor 12:4-10 4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: "...let God alone be true and evey man a liar"You can click here and see miracles unfold before your eyes, maybe if God gives you grace, you will believe: http://www.christembassyhealingschool.org/ |
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Enigma (m)
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donnie
I did not expect any better (than throwing abuse) from your type. It is the fruit of your type of "christianity" evidently.
One day the Almighty God will open your eyes.
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donnie (m)
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Abuse? ..I asked you questions which you havent yet answered.
So what kind of christainity am i expected to practice? The kind of christianity i practice is not the one that compromises with the world in their manner of conversation? It is not the kind that is without the tangible manifested prsence of God in the miraculous.
The kind of christainity i practice is the one that is by absolute faith in God's word from beginning to the end. It is not the kind that exhalts human wisdom, the widom of this world above the knowledge of God. It is a life beyond the senses.
Any other kind is not christainity but mere religion.
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Seun (m)
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Tolerance is very important in a multi-religious world. Donnie, please consider that.
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