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twinkledew (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #32 on: August 26, 2006, 07:26 PM »

i think before u get into someone Else's culture you need to learn or research more. prbly catcat did not research about the west African culture which made her assume about her ex BF or BF. thinking that his behavior was due to what country he came from.
GNature (m)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #33 on: August 26, 2006, 07:44 PM »

@twinkle

True talk  Smiley
Akinagirl (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #34 on: August 26, 2006, 07:47 PM »

GNature

Thankyou so much for your input. i am alittle less worried now. Thanx for showing me a positive example. Smiley
GNature (m)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #35 on: August 26, 2006, 07:48 PM »

Anytime girl
Catcat
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #36 on: August 26, 2006, 08:00 PM »

@Twinkle
Thanks for your input.  I didn't assume [b]anything[/b] about West African culture.  I asked IF this was normal-acceptable Nigerian/Nigerian-raised male behavior to women.  When I was told it was not, I was happy to hear that it is this guy's own behavior, not what he was raised to think is the proper way to act toward women.
I also didn't enter into anyone's culture.  I was aggressively pursued by a Nigerian-raised man who then exhibited what I consider to be disrespectful behavior to me, while insisting that he wasn't being disrespectful at all, which made me wonder if this was a cultural or an individual difference, because usually definitions are somewhat on the same page, especially when raised in the same area.
I have therefore broken up with him.
salsera (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #37 on: August 26, 2006, 09:16 PM »

@catcat
some of the behaviour u mentioned is common to some nigerian men, i suppose its because women are not viewed the same way. in nigeria a man is almost scene as a woman's glory even if he treats her bad it better than her not having one.

as a rule however I do not generalise ALL people but i would say that behaviour is common but definitely not all. besides men from other places behave whack as well

about this culture issue, we all have different cultures but in relationships we need to set our boundaries especially in crosscultural relationships. If something or atitude does not go down well with you and you tried to adapt to it and it still does not sit well with you please leave him.
jessilina (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #38 on: August 26, 2006, 09:32 PM »

CATCAT Wink,
I THINK YOU NEED TO MOVE ON AND DO WHAT I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO AND AM DOING, DATE FEMALES ONLY!!!
MEN WILL BE MEN. THEY THINK DIFFERENTLY THAN WOMAN. IT'S A BIOLOGICAL TRUTH. IT HAS TO DO WITH THE BRAIN. Cheesy
chinani (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #39 on: August 26, 2006, 10:35 PM »

@CatCat
You sound like a very nice lady who trusts her own judgment. Good for you! Cheesy While I'm not trying to change your mind I would say that some of your ex-man's behavior is a bit, er, Nigerian. Don't want to generalise but my parents have left the country before & not called me for days. I was under 16 at the time & under the care of my then 16 yr old sister. For me, it is nothing to not call a man I adore for days. That's just how some people are. I found that alot among Nigerians. Some people are raised not to rely too heavliy on anyone. Having said that, I wouldn't have biblical knowledge of a man who didn't treat me in a way that I found respectful. My advice (not that you asked) would be to outline expectations in a nonaggressive way. That way when anything happens you'll know he knows better.

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I also didn't enter into anyone's culture.  I was aggressively pursued by a Nigerian-raised man who then exhibited what I consider to be disrespectful
I see where you're coming from. It's a very Americana idea that neither person "enters" the other's culture a la the melting pot philosophy. Thing is, while the praxis is sound, the practice or lived experience is rubbish. If you want to make beautiful music w/ a Nigerian man (and the same goes for women) it'll be hard w/o learning about their culture & you will get your feelings hurt. This I can promise.

You pointed out that he's American raised and NYC basedum, yea, this might be the problem. Am not generalising o!
Catcat
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #40 on: August 26, 2006, 11:38 PM »

Thank you, all, for your help.
@ Salsera -
Yes, thank you, I did leave.  Thank you for explaining a bit mor on what I was seeing has him not treating me as a treasured part of his world.  If both people aren't thinking at least half the time how to make things nicer for each other and for the both as a couple, than I don't know what's the point,

@ Jessalina -
hahahaha - The big problem is, I've always only been attracted to confident {and therefore often too self-focused} men,   I'm sure if I ever became attracted to another women, I wouldn't hesitate to check it out,

@ Chinani -
I do appreciate your and everyone's advice.  Although I won't go out with him again. Our behavioral expectations are totally too different. 

Thanks for explaining a bit about the not-calling for days as being often found amid Nigerian culture.  This makes me feel not so ignored,

  It's hard to outline expectations when you aren't aware of the things the man is not going to do until he doesn't do them.  His increasingly [as perceived by me, he denies it] disrespectful behavior actually started AFTER the first [and only] time we were together three weeks ago.  Prior to this, he spent 3 months respectfully but aggressively pursuing me.  He said he feels the same, nothing has changed.  But laughed when I said it seemed as if everything did change once we slept together.  When I asked why he laughed, he said women always say that to him.  I said, see?  If this isn't the first time you have heard this than it isn't just in my head.  Then I said maybe you will be nicer to the next woman you really like, and then left.  This was on Friday, and today, feeling sort of sad and confused, cause I really liked him, I searched the internet and found this chat-group.  I really appreciate everyone's comments. 

chinani (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #41 on: August 26, 2006, 11:50 PM »

Hmmm, so he's been told before & he doesn't see a problem. Yep, sounds like his personal problem.

I once had a person -- male, college professor, mentor -- tell me that you (me, everybody) should always give someone an exit interview & tell him/her what he/she did wrong so that he/she could improve. Sounds like this dude needs to step his game up. . .
Akinagirl (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #42 on: August 26, 2006, 11:52 PM »

@catcat
i m in the same boat i am dating a nigerian man and i want advice too, everyone here is really helpful. i agree to that.
Catcat
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #43 on: August 27, 2006, 12:04 AM »

@ Chinani -
Yes, well, I gave him an exit interview, outlined the sequence of events that made me feel as if he were treating me poorly, and then went.  I don't know if I will hear from him again, hopefully he will bounce some of what I said off of his friends/support group and they will tell him that his behavior doesn't fly with self-respecting women.  So maybe he will try again with me, but I don't think I will see him again.  He's very hard to say no to though, since he doesn't accept that as an answer if he wants to hear a yes, and he argues your objections away.  If I never say yes to seeing him again, I won't have to eventually have another, probably more heart-wrenching "exit interview", since the longer you are involved with the wrong person, the more the two of you get attached anyway, and the harder it is to stop.

Hopefully, this time he will listen, and he will actually treat the next woman like the queen he says I was to him. 
Catcat
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #44 on: August 27, 2006, 12:12 AM »

@Akinagirl-
I love the internet - because there is always support/information for whatever is confusing me in life.  And the great part is, there are people from all over the world who can give their very different or very same view,
Good luck with your boyfriend.  I don't have a boyfriend anymore, but I feel glad that I stopped this before it got further.
But I'm not sorry that I did sleep with him, life is too short for regrets, and we used protection, and if we aren't here on this planet to experience life than I don't know what else we are here for.  We waited over three months from the time we met, and I thought he really liked me.  I know he really liked me.  But he a) didn't know what I was expecting him to do, and, worse, b)didn't apologize once he knew I was upset, just told me I had no right/cause/reasonable reason to be upset.

Because if I made someone upset, I would apologize, find out why they were upset, and if I cared about their feelings, would try to alter my behavior around them so that they wouldn't be upset.  If I didn't care about them, I wouldn't alter my behavior, which was his reaction, which is more why I broke up with him than the behavior to begin with,
chinani (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #45 on: August 27, 2006, 12:14 AM »

@CatCat
Yea, you gave him an opportunity to apologize like a real man & an exit interview. He deserves nothing more from you. They say "a word is enough for the wise" but the choice is his.  It is his own wahala (trouble) as we say.
Bhola (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #46 on: August 27, 2006, 12:32 AM »

Going through the two pages here, I really have to say a big thank you to both Chinani and Gnature. With that said, I think we need to open a thread for AA dating Nigerian and for those that need advice. Seems a lot of misconception about the Nigerian man/female is out there and we, Nigerians, need to change that. Once Oluwaseun's site starts to function better, I think we should open a new thread.

Once again, you all, Akinagirl, Catcat, Tania, y'all should hang in there. Hopefully, will be able to answer your pressing questions and give you the little advice that we have.
Akinagirl (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #47 on: August 27, 2006, 01:49 AM »

@ Catcat
I totally agree with you. And i am sorry more for him cause missed out on a great girl because he doesnt know how to treat women. And i learned just because someone treats me bad that not everyone is that way. I am very happy in my relationship and i hope that one day you will find that person that trully cherishes you and treats you like the Queen you are.
My best wishes to you CatCat
Love
Akinagirl

And thankyou all for you advice i appreciate them.
Catcat
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #48 on: August 27, 2006, 01:57 AM »

Thanks Akinagirl - 
I am happy for you that you love your partner and he/she loves you back.  I have always tried to love the wrong men I think.  Confidence, which I like, seems to almost always be paired with self-absorption, or never-wrong-ness, or lack of interest in growing toward a togetherness, only a drive to have his needs met.
Sigh.
I am ever hopeful, though, and I pretty much give any guy a first, second and (like with my recent), third+ chances to explain and/or adjust behavior mis-communications before I can't deal anymore. 

While I am glad to learn through this forum that many of his behavior traits were just his, I am also glad to see there were some that not his being consciously doggy to me, and were more just because that is how he has seen behavior to be normal within his Nigerian background.
jessilina (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #49 on: August 27, 2006, 03:46 AM »

 ;@CATCAT~~~~~~ARE YOU CLOSE? WE SHOULD GET TOGETHER. YOU SOULD LIKE A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN. AS I STATED IN MY RECENT POST MY EX PASSED AWAY SUDDENLY TWO MONTHS AGO. GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A GOOD TIME TOGETHER BEFORE HIS DEMISE, BUT AS I STATED EARLIAR I LOVE MY WOMEN Wink Wink Wink!!!



Catcat
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #50 on: August 27, 2006, 04:41 AM »

Aww - thanks Jessilina - but I'm a guy's girl, one at a time, year or years between each different one.  That's why I was a little sad for having such mis-judgement of my recent boy-friend, since I hadn't been with anyone since my ex-fiancee over a year ago,

I'm sorry to hear your ex passed away.  That must have been traumatic. 
twinkledew (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #51 on: August 27, 2006, 05:47 PM »

@ catcat
am happy for u now because u are happy (no longer with the dude)

 Grin Grin Grin
twinkledew (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #52 on: August 27, 2006, 05:50 PM »

@ jesli,

are u bi-sexual?

just curious
jessilina (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #53 on: August 27, 2006, 08:45 PM »

@TWINKLEDEW,

AREN'T WE ALL BISEXUAL?HuhHuh? Wink Wink Wink
BigSis (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #54 on: August 27, 2006, 09:49 PM »

Sista Girls,

Be very careful about accepting advice from "some"  Nigerian women.  If you have what they consider a "good" one, it will be resented.  So be careful.  The best advice is to talk to the man involved, and non-African women.
Bhola (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #55 on: August 27, 2006, 10:55 PM »

True you should all be careful about the advices you get from Nigerian women. That is why we all have brains. To filter out the bad from the good.

I have created a thread for you all to bring in your questions.
http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-21516.0.html

No matter what you think about Nigerians, there are still some of us out there, that will tell you the way it is. The best way to get answers is to ask those of us that understand the culture and our men.

BigSis, believe me, no one is trying to take their guys. There are enough men to go round all the Nigerians ladies.
mamaput (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #56 on: August 27, 2006, 11:26 PM »

Quote from: BigSis on August 27, 2006, 09:49 PM
Sista Girls,

Be very careful about accepting advice from "some" Nigerian women. If you have what they consider a "good" one, it will be resented. So be careful. The best advice is to talk to the man involved, and non-African women.


Please now you are going over board.
The only reason why i do not like taking advise from "Nigerian" women is because they have a higher Tolerance when it comes to men than i do.
But  less when it comes to  kids
Catcat
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #57 on: August 27, 2006, 11:27 PM »

@ Twinkledew.
Thanks - although I'm still a little sad.

@BigSis-
Yeah, I wonder about that too - especially in a bi-racial situation.  I mean, I know life is a function of one-on-one, so any differences between two people ARE surmountable if enough effort from both is made, but when I am walking next to this amazing African-American (Nigerian-raised) man, I wonder if other women are hating me.  I would hate to think that, but reality is reality.

@ Bhola
Thankyou  - I have answered you at the other thread, which is more related to my situation than this thread here.  I hope everyone on this thread can get back to helping advise those who are actually in the situation described by the thread, I am sorry for butting in, but thank you all, so very much, for all of your help and kindness to me.
mamaput (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #58 on: August 27, 2006, 11:35 PM »

Catcat, The advise i give my kids today is
Never get involved with a man that has a much different background that you can not handle.
Its better to wait for the right man than to go out with any just for going out sake.
And never marry a man were you many not later know were to look for your kids.
The background of a man has nothing to do with if he is good or bad.
But if you grew up in "Equal rights then look for an egual rights"man.
The way a man is afteryou dose not show the love or respect he has. He is only hunting, what comes after is yet to be seen.
Sorry to say but from whatyou wrote the man is a bastard.
I real Nigerian man that holds anything of him self will spend on a woman  and not let the woman spend on him
Catcat
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #59 on: August 27, 2006, 11:50 PM »

Thanks Mamaput -
I definitely know what you mean by "hunting!"  From day one, I told him no, this can not work, and he wore me down by his arguing away every reason I had to say no.

He always paid for every meal.  He wanted me to pay to come to a performance of his, where I  expected him to provide a ticket for me.  I did see his point, and even argued the same points to my girlfriends when I was still deciding if I should go, and I told my friends, maybe he had to get a certain number of paying viewers,
But everyone said, no matter what, if you are his girl, he should have a seat for you.  I really wanted to go, and I ended up not going because of, not the money, but the lack of gesture from him.

And then, the lack of calling, after what I assumed to have been a changing point in our togethrness - it was a rapid series of what felt like slaps in the face, one after the other.  Perhaps I am too sensitive, or just expect different behavior from someone I am intimate with.   I mean, I really expected him to call that night after we were together, at least to say, mmm that was great let's do it again soon,

Like I said at first, this was a relationship completely out of my usual world - he is the first African-American I've dated, and the first Nigerian-raised man, but not the first super-confident, super handsome, super-self-focused man I've dated [which I know men often need to be like to succeed, but, then, why bother with me if you don't have time?].  So, I think these aspects of his personality has more to do with his behavior than anything.
Anyway, I do appreciate all of your and everyone's insights.
Akinagirl (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #60 on: August 28, 2006, 03:02 AM »

Again guys thanx so much for your adive and input. i will be looking for more advice in the future and if i have any more questions. However, is it true that when people come from a different country they can put don't whatever age they want to on their papers rather than their real age?Just wondering cause everyone is saying my b/f looks older than he says he is. He says he is 27 but looks 34. So can they put down what ever age they want?

Confused

P.S. but i trust and believe him. However i don't want to be concidered as niieve.
Akinagirl (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #61 on: August 28, 2006, 03:12 AM »

@CatCat
actually i hate to say this but that man was a self rightious a$#@4. Sorry, you will find some one actually worth your time. I never had any man treat me that way, that is super wierd. but just don't worry the right guy will come along
Catcat
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #62 on: August 28, 2006, 03:50 AM »

Thanks Akinagirl -
I hope you can trust your man.  Sometimes the details are really important, sometimes not, but trust is key.  Your gut can tell you more than words sometimes.  Men do lie to get what they want, but sometimes they lie because they know the truth will hurt them. 
I hate liars.  I think that lying is so twisted and it ruins everything.
Akinagirl (f)
Re: Nigerian Men & African-american Women
« #63 on: August 28, 2006, 03:57 AM »

Your right CatCat, things to me would be much easier if people would tell the truth first hand,  because believe it or not the truth always comes out, and when it does, hope you can salvage your relationship or it might be too late. That is why i like straight forward people.
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