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adconline (m)
Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« on: February 18, 2007, 09:45 PM »

Drusilla (f)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #1 on: February 18, 2007, 09:56 PM »

That's what they tell us. Smile.
hot-angel (f)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #2 on: February 18, 2007, 10:21 PM »

According to THEM.

We all know he's the first black president.  Smiley Smiley Well technically?
Donzman (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #3 on: February 19, 2007, 12:40 AM »

If you wish to get technical then Obama isn't the first black president, after all he's half black/half white like a bunch of those people listed.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #4 on: February 19, 2007, 01:34 AM »

Donzman,

Actually, those 5 suppossed 'Black' Presidents, would have been quadroon blacks or less who 'passed' into the white race at some earlier time.

Barak is a Mulatto Black (i.e. white and black parent), not a Quadroon Black (white parent and Mulatto or Quadroon parent) who passed into white.

Technically now.
Donzman (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #5 on: February 19, 2007, 01:43 AM »

What happened to the one-drop rule you so proudly expound whenever someone tells you that you're mixed?. . .It suddenly does not count because it isn't convenient for you?

SMILE!
Drusilla (f)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #6 on: February 19, 2007, 01:49 AM »

Donzman,

Slowdown. Explain?

Or are you just surprised to find out they had names for each of these different kind of blacks back in the days of those presidents?
Donzman (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #7 on: February 19, 2007, 01:58 AM »

Don't run away from the issue, are they suddenly not black? What happened to your one drop rule? You reject it when it's inconvenient for you?
Drusilla (f)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #8 on: February 19, 2007, 02:20 AM »

Donzman,

Their all Black. But you know what 'Black' means to me, eh?

I was just thinking about this.

1. Thomas Jefferson --known for best sayings about freedom. (David Walker used what he said to state that African Americans have the right to revolution.)

2. Andrew Jackson -- ""and urged greater democracy through direct election for all government officers""

(This is something African Americans advocate NOW.)

3. Lincoln -- Freed the slaves.

4. Harding -- Known for support of Women's right to vote.

Quote: "How do I know, Jim? One of my ancestors may have jumped the fence." (Passing)

5. Calvin Coolidge -- President during Harlem Renaissance.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #9 on: February 19, 2007, 02:23 AM »

That would indeed make Barak the 6th Black president in my book.
Donzman (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #10 on: February 19, 2007, 02:39 AM »

I had you where I wanted you, you were smart enough to throw in the towel and avert the damning blow.

SMILE!
Drusilla (f)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #11 on: February 19, 2007, 02:55 AM »

Donzman,

You were this close. Smile.

Sticking out Tongue.
Ndipe (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #12 on: February 19, 2007, 04:11 AM »

@donzman, Barack is mixed, no doubt, but as an African, you should know that it is the father's lineage that determines the child's family tree. So, if his dad was white, and his mom was black, then he would be regarded as a white politician. Afterall, in Naija, when we are asked of our heritage, we don't mix up our father and mother's villages into one and claim it as ours. Anyway, different society has different rules.
Donzman (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #13 on: February 19, 2007, 04:36 AM »

@Ndipe

Do some research before you speak, some African societies like the Akan in nearby Ghana have a matrilineal lineage system. Different societies have different rules, you should have applied that in your thinking about African societies.

Even at that, lineage system does not have anything to do with racial grouping.
Ndipe (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #14 on: February 19, 2007, 04:52 AM »

I am aware of the Akan/Ashanti, where a child's lineage is traced through the matrilineal line. But theirs is atypical of the African society, because majority of the tribes in Africa, or at least West Africa traces a child's heritage towards the family. I also read, though I don't know how true it is, that the Bemba of Zambia also places more importance on a child's materilineal side, over the father's side.
Donzman (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #15 on: February 19, 2007, 04:56 AM »

There are LOTS of African societies who trace their lineage through the mother's side! Add the Tonga of Zambia to that list.

P.S.: Kenya isn't in West Africa.
Ndipe (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #16 on: February 19, 2007, 05:14 AM »

Yeah, Kenya is not in West Africa, or are you trying to imply that I wrote that Kenya is in West Africa? By our African tradition, Barack Obama would still be considered black, because his dad was Kenyan, as long as his tribe goes by the usual norm of placing emphasis on a child's patrilineal lineage.
hot-angel (f)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #17 on: February 19, 2007, 05:18 AM »

To me and thousand more people. . .   Barack OBAMA will be the first "black" president!
Donzman (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #18 on: February 19, 2007, 05:32 AM »

Quote from: Ndipe on February 19, 2007, 05:14 AM
Yeah, Kenya is not in West Africa, or are you trying to imply that I wrote that Kenya is in West Africa? By our African tradition, Barack Obama would still be considered black, because his dad was Kenyan, as long as his tribe goes by the usual norm of placing emphasis on a child's patrilineal lineage.

Last I checked, lineage wasn't meant for racial categorizing. Even at that, don't paint all of Africa and it's multiple ethnic group in one paint (you sound like an imperialist). Some groups trace their lineage patrilinealy, other do so matrilieanly while we have those who have a bilateral lineage system. Recognize the diversity!  Angry
kobe (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #19 on: February 19, 2007, 06:30 AM »

umm I thought black in America meant one drop.
kabiyesi (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #20 on: February 19, 2007, 07:15 AM »

History is set of lies, agreed upon. Which also applies to current events. If one wants to know about important European and American families of Black (African) descent, here is the starting point:

Sex and Race: The Old World, Vol. 1, by J. A. Rogers
ISBN: 096022940X
Hardcover, 411pp

Sex and Race: A History of White, Negro, and Indian Miscegenation in the Two Americas Vol. 2, by J. A. Rogers
ISBN: 0960229418
Hardcover, 304pp

Sex and Race: Why White and Black Do Mate, Vol. 3, by J. A. Rogers
ISBN: 0960229426
Hardcover, 359pp

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/096022940X/aalbccom-20
Drusilla (f)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #21 on: February 20, 2007, 10:22 PM »

Kobe,

Quote
umm I thought black in America meant one drop.

Kabiyesi gave you three books about Black people by African American J.A. Rogers.

Here is J.A. Rogers.



It's one drop.
ashely (f)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #22 on: March 05, 2007, 04:44 PM »

This topic make no sense.
Horus (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #23 on: August 26, 2007, 07:50 PM »

Barack Obama has plans of running for President of the United States, But will he be the first Black President or the 8th Black President? I know this posting will stir controversty but George Washington was not the first President of the US. Let's take a look at history.
A "Black" Man, A Moor, John Hanson Was the First President of the United States! 1781-1782 A.D.George Washington was really the 8th President of the United States! George Washington was not the first President of the United States. In fact, the first President of the United States was John Hanson.
 

John Hanson
 
Don't go checking the encyclopedia for this guy's name - he is one of those great men that are lost to history. If you're extremely lucky, you may actually find a brief mention of his name. The new country was actually formed on March 1, 1781 with the adoption of The Articles of Confederation. This document was actually proposed on June 11, 1776, but not agreed upon by Congress until November 15, 1777. Maryland refused to sign this document until Virginia and New York ceded their western lands (Maryland was afraid that these states would gain too much power in the new government from such large amounts of land). Once the signing took place in 1781, a President was needed to run the country. John Hanson was chosen unanimously by Congress (which included George Washington). In fact, all the other potential candidates refused to run against him, as he was a major player in the revolution and an extremely influential member of Congress. As the first President, Hanson had quite the shoes to fill. No one had ever been President and the role was poorly defined. His actions in office would set precedent for all future Presidents. He took office just as the Revolutionary War ended. Almost immediately, the troops demanded to be paid. As would be expected after any long war, there were no funds to meet the salaries. As a result, the soldiers threatened to overthrow the new government and put Washington on the throne as a monarch. All the members of Congress ran for their lives, leaving Hanson as the only guy left running the government. He somehow managed to calm the troops down and hold the country together. If he had failed, the government would have fallen almost immediately and everyone would have been bowing to King Washington. In fact, Hanson sent 800 pounds of sterling siliver by his brother Samuel Hanson to George Washington to provide the troops with shoes. Hanson, as President, ordered all foreign troops off American soil, as well as the removal of all foreign flags. This was quite the feat, considering the fact that so many European countries had a stake in the United States since the days following Columbus. Hanson established the Great Seal of the United States, which all Presidents have since been required to use on all official documents. President Hanson also established the first Treasury Department, the first Secretary of War, and the first Foreign Affairs Department. Lastly, he declared that the fourth Thursday of every November was to be Thanksgiving Day, which is still true today. The Articles of Confederation only allowed a President to serve a one year term during any three year period, so Hanson actually accomplished quite a bit in such little time. Six other presidents were elected after him - Elias Boudinot (1783), Thomas Mifflin (1784), Richard Henry Lee (1785), Nathan Gorman (1786), Arthur St. Clair (1787), and Cyrus Griffin (1788) - all prior to Washington taking office. So what happened? Why don't we ever hear about the first seven Presidents of the United States? It's quite simple - The Articles of Confederation didn't work well. The individual states had too much power and nothing could be agreed upon. A new doctrine needed to be written - something we know as the Constitution. And that leads us to the end of our story. George Washington was definitely not the first President of the United States. He was the first President of the United States under the Constitution we follow today. And the first seven Presidents are forgotten in history.
 
 
thecavsman
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #24 on: August 28, 2007, 04:30 AM »

Really? Obama is black?

The nigga ain't black as far as I'm concerned. Get out of here.

He is about as black as Bill Clinton or Condi Rice in my mind. lol
Free (f)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #25 on: October 04, 2007, 03:51 AM »

@thecavsman

What is Being Black  to You???
beneli (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #26 on: October 05, 2007, 10:07 AM »

@Horus

Where did you get that picture of John Hanson from?
Most that i have seen show him to be "White"  Embarrassed.

http://www.marshallhall.org/hanson.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hanson

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9039179/John-Hanson
Horus (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #27 on: October 05, 2007, 10:51 AM »

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Where did you get that picture of John Hanson from?
He is on the Back of the Dollard bill.

What is on the Back of the Two Dollar Bill?

The back of the $2 bill has an engraving of the signing of the Declaration of Independence. In the image is a man who has dark skin and wearing a powdered wig while sitting at the table just to the left of the men standing in the center of the engraving. This dark skinned man is John Hanson in his position as president of the continental congress.

Source: http://www.dickgregory.com/index_hanson.html
Donzman (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #28 on: October 06, 2007, 02:38 AM »

That's a very incospicuous president. Honestly, how do you believe anyone is going to make a black man president back in the day?. . .Let's be a little realistic here.
Horus (m)
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #29 on: October 06, 2007, 01:35 PM »

Quote
That's a very incospicuous president. Honestly, how do you believe anyone is going to make a black man president back in the day?. . .Let's be a little realistic here.
Because at this time nobody was ruling the country.(did you read the article?)
What you have to know is that he was a Black Moor,(It is mentioned in the article!)
Black Moors were not slaves.Moor is Not synonymous with Moslem
Black Moors civilised the white man and ruled in many part of Europe.
It would not be inaccurate to say that the Moors helped reintroduce Europe to civilization.  But just who were the Moors of antiquity anyway?  As early as the Middle Ages, and as early as the seventeenth century, "The Moors were," according to the Oxford English Dictionary, "commonly supposed to be mostly black or very swarthy, and hence the word is often used for negro."  Dr. Chancellor Williams stated that "The original Moors, like the original Egyptians, were Black Africans."




At the beginning of the eighth century Moorish soldiers crossed over from Africa into Spain, Portugal, and France, where their swift victories became the substance of legends.  To the Christians of early Europe there was no question regarding the ethnicity of the Moors, and numerous sources support the view that the Moors were a black-skinned people.  Morien, for example, is the adventure of a heroic Moorish knight supposed to have lived during the days of King Arthur.  Morien is described as "all black: his head, his body, and his hands were all black."  In the French epic known as the Song of Roland the Moors are described as "blacker than ink."



William Shakespeare used the word Moor as a synonym for African. Christopher Marlowe used African and Moor interchangeably.  Arab writers further buttress the Black identity of the Moors.  The powerful Moorish emperor Yusuf ben-Tachfin is described by an Arab chronicler as "a brown man with wooly hair."
Black soldiers, specifically identified as Moors, were actively recruited by Rome, and served in Britain, France, Switzerland, Austria, Hungary, Poland, and Romania.  St. Maurice, patron saint of medieval Europe, was only one of many Black soldiers and officers under the employ of the Roman Empire.

SOURCES:
Golden Age Of The Moor, Edited by Ivan Van Sertima
Natures Knows No Color-Line, by J.A. Rogers

Also see: THE MOORISH CONQUEST OF SPAIN
and: THE INFLUENCE OF THE MOORS IN SPAIN AND PORTUGAL
and: THE MOORS IN ANTIQUITY: A BIBLIOGRAPHY

Source: http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/moors1.html

Source: http://members.tripod.com/jrmoore1958/moors.html


2Legit
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #30 on: October 15, 2007, 08:43 PM »

Obama is not Black
His mother is white so how is he black and not white?
2Legit
Re: Obama Wouldn't Be First Black President
« #31 on: April 16, 2008, 07:30 PM »

what's happening with the election now?
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