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kobe (m)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #32 on: February 20, 2007, 08:48 AM »

It is one thing to be rational, it is another to be irrational. criticizing/scrutinizing an innocent young child.

the motifs behind calling someone's bouncing baby boy a defect, is so unwarranted.

Why don't we start calling those black/white mixed babies defects when their hairs come out frizzly while we're at it.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #33 on: February 20, 2007, 09:09 AM »

Why the dog association does not accept Albino dogs

Why does the DPCA reject the Albino?


We know that these dogs are photophobic, (sensitive to sun light). They have vision problems resulting from abnormal development of the retina.

They are prone to skin cancer and skin lesions. Due to the lack of pigment, they are extremely susceptible to skin damage from the sun.

Poor temperament is a significant concern. Due to the intense inbreeding to obtain the mutation, the temperaments on a great many are totally unstable. These problems range from fear biting to outright vicious attacks. Shyness is prevalent. Most are not suitable for homes with small children. Yes, there are exceptions, but hardly enough to make them acceptable to most families.

In addition to the above problems concerning health and temperament, these dogs have a total lack of breed type.

There is dialog currently between the DPCA and the American Kennel Club to impose a breeding restriction on the Albinos. They would still be registered, but would have the same restrictions as an ILP registered dog. Owners would not be allowed to register any progeny of the Albinos.

While negotiations continue, the DPCA is utilizing a tracking system, call The "Z" List. This tracking system identifies any dogs that may carry this mutant gene. It enables ethical breeders to avoid breeding to animals with the defect.

While we can understand the attachment one can have for animals of all colors, sizes, shapes and pedigreed or not, we must realize that the Doberman Pinscher was a breed created for a purpose.

A standard of excellence was drawn up describing what the ideal Doberman should look like, how it should act, and what colors it should be. Albino cannot be classified as a color. It is just the opposite. It is the lack of color.

No recognized standard would call for a dog that is Albinoid. It is a genetic defect in all creatures.

http://www.dpca.org/albinoinfo1.html
Ndipe (m)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #34 on: February 20, 2007, 09:18 AM »

Druscilla, how does your explanation of an albino dog relate to the story of the cute little black baby with blue eyes?
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #35 on: February 20, 2007, 09:50 AM »

Ndipe,

I suppose it was just a tasteless outburst trying to justify putting the words "Adorable and Defect" together.
Ndipe (m)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #36 on: February 20, 2007, 10:16 AM »

Still don't get it. are you implying that the blue eyes of the black baby is a defect?
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #37 on: February 20, 2007, 10:25 AM »

Ndipe,

Yes, if the cause of the blue eyes is Albinoism, then it is a defect.
Ndipe (m)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #38 on: February 20, 2007, 10:37 AM »

how do you know? Instead of celebrating the birth of a baby, one of the unique mysteries in life, you are out here, writing about defects, and albinism.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #39 on: February 20, 2007, 11:38 AM »

Ndipe,

I suppose your right. I don't stop to smell the roses enough.  Undecided
JustGood (m)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #40 on: February 20, 2007, 12:03 PM »

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I prefer a baby with typical black eyes. That kid looks more scary than adorable. And why is he suddenly "adorable"? Because he has blue eyes? Are we still suffering from inferiority complex that everything related to caucasians is now "adorable"?

this is very precisely to the point.

I'd be scared of that baby anyday
Gamine (f)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #41 on: February 20, 2007, 01:32 PM »

Nawa, on top one small innocent baby  Undecided


The eyes are scary, no doubt
the baby is still aiight

im Parents like am ooooooooh!!!!! Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
Free (f)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #42 on: February 21, 2007, 12:13 AM »

wow

never heard or seen a black person with blue eyes before

it kind of looks scary n' adorable at the same time

his eyes are beautiful Grin Grin Grin
nike4luv (f)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #43 on: February 21, 2007, 12:30 AM »

beautiful, but strange.
iice (f)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #44 on: February 21, 2007, 12:34 AM »

Thank you jare, he's just a chile, haba blue or no blue eyes, he's adorable. Cheesy
trini_girl (f)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #45 on: February 21, 2007, 07:21 AM »

Quote from: Drusilla on February 20, 2007, 09:09 AM
Why the dog association does not accept Albino dogs

Why does the DPCA reject the Albino?


We know that these dogs are photophobic, (sensitive to sun light). They have vision problems resulting from abnormal development of the retina.

They are prone to skin cancer and skin lesions. Due to the lack of pigment, they are extremely susceptible to skin damage from the sun.

Poor temperament is a significant concern. Due to the intense inbreeding to obtain the mutation, the temperaments on a great many are totally unstable. These problems range from fear biting to outright vicious attacks. Shyness is prevalent. Most are not suitable for homes with small children. Yes, there are exceptions, but hardly enough to make them acceptable to most families.

In addition to the above problems concerning health and temperament, these dogs have a total lack of breed type.

There is dialog currently between the DPCA and the American Kennel Club to impose a breeding restriction on the Albinos. They would still be registered, but would have the same restrictions as an ILP registered dog. Owners would not be allowed to register any progeny of the Albinos.

While negotiations continue, the DPCA is utilizing a tracking system, call The "Z" List. This tracking system identifies any dogs that may carry this mutant gene. It enables ethical breeders to avoid breeding to animals with the defect.

While we can understand the attachment one can have for animals of all colors, sizes, shapes and pedigreed or not, we must realize that the Doberman Pinscher was a breed created for a purpose.

A standard of excellence was drawn up describing what the ideal Doberman should look like, how it should act, and what colors it should be. Albino cannot be classified as a color. It is just the opposite. It is the lack of color.

No recognized standard would call for a dog that is Albinoid. It is a genetic defect in all creatures.

http://www.dpca.org/albinoinfo1.html

Druscilla,

please stop trying to insult people's intelligence with that ignorant bullshit! Wonders shall never end!
How can you compare human genetics with albino defects in dogs??? Are you african? Please tell me you're making a very bad and very stupid joke and you're not really that obtuse! What an insult!

If I were you I would delete that post.

That baby is just the product of a dormant gene.  Maybe somewhere in the mother's ancestry there was a caucasian male or female.  The gene can remain dormant for up to 100 years then suddenly manifest itself by two african parents having a half cast child, or in this case, blue eyes.

Personally I think the child looks scary and unnatural.  Not his fault, all children are blessings from God.
He looks like he can move objects with his stare.  Smiley

Also, it's very disturbing that people are going off on him just because he has a white man's trait, I wonder if they are all african.  If they are it's sad.

I wonder if it was a white baby with kinky black hair if the reaction would be the same.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #46 on: February 21, 2007, 08:23 AM »

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How can you compare human genetics with albino defects in dogs???



Trini_girl,

Yeah I understand your sentiment. I got at least 2 Albino newphews from one sister alone. We don't ever mention the fact that they are Albino. We just see it as a kick back to my sister's mother who was white.

However, I did not agree with a different sisters decision to call one of the babies a monster. She thought my sister accepted and acknowledged that the babies looked ugly, at least the first one.

I also have a school days friend with bright blue eyes, she is so ugly, it makes people look at her and say "be careful what you pray for" (i.e. for blacks who think having blue eyes automatically makes one pretty.

In America there is something of a phenomenon of dark skinned blackmen with green eyes. People just go gaga over these men.
toshmann (m)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #47 on: February 21, 2007, 08:29 PM »

 Angry   Angry   I have seen how tolerant our black brothers and sisters are.  for the fact that something is strange does not mean it is a defect. they have called the innocent lovely (yes,lovely-and not just b/c of hte eyes) kid abnormal. someone has made an analogy to a dog. Gawd. to a Dog. na wa o.
tell me the meaning of racism-even within a race Angry

Drs have emerged to blast the baby.

you guys disappoint me Angry
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #48 on: February 21, 2007, 08:51 PM »

toshman,

Your right. I got to stop doing that. Generally defect and mutations are scientific words when referring to Albino's. I know though that it is mean spirited to use the words relating to human beings, even though a scientist or doctor will in a minute.

No excuse for being tasteless but it wasn't racist. I should not have done that.

Forgive me and put me back on your christmas card list.

Smile
Donzman (m)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #49 on: February 21, 2007, 08:57 PM »

The baby has no genetic defect, he just has European ancestry somewhere in his lineage, why is that hard to accept?  Huh
Gamine (f)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #50 on: February 21, 2007, 09:02 PM »

i wunda ooh Undecided
toshmann (m)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #51 on: February 21, 2007, 11:03 PM »

the guy is a healthy baby. he is fine, unusual though, but great as other babies. period.
lewa (m)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #52 on: February 22, 2007, 01:26 AM »

Drusilla, MD,FACP,MPH,Cert.Immunol,PHd(genetics) Wink. Sup Dr!
toshmann (m)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #53 on: February 22, 2007, 02:00 AM »

Quote from: Drusilla on February 21, 2007, 08:51 PM
toshman,

Your right. I got to stop doing that. Generally defect and mutations are scientific words when referring to Albino's. I know though that it is mean spirited to use the words relating to human beings, even though a scientist or doctor will in a minute.

No excuse for being tasteless but it wasn't racist. I should not have done that.

Forgive me and put me back on your christmas card list.

Smile
apology accepted. but i was shocked
Gamine (f)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #54 on: February 22, 2007, 12:10 PM »

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Drusilla, MD,FACP,MPH,Cert.Immunol,PHd(genetics) . Sup Dr!
lol
ghettochyk (f)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #55 on: February 23, 2007, 07:55 PM »

that baby might look unusual, but his eyes are normal because i know this one black dude,  he's really dark-skinned but has naturally blue eyes. one of his great great great grandparents was white. but if that aint da case wid this baby, then he prolly got that albinism thing going on.
Vicjustice (m)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #56 on: April 18, 2008, 12:41 AM »

  I REALLY DON'T LIKE TALKING ON MEDICAL GROUND ESPECIALLY IN NAIRALAND WHERE EVERYONE IS INSULTED FOR SHARING WHAT S/HE KNOWS OR BELIEVES, AND BESIDES, I BECAME A MEMBER OF THIS FORUM FOR THE FUN AND ENTERTAINMENT ESPECIALLY ON TRAVEL MATTER BECAUSE, I LOVE TRAVELLING. I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE GIVING MEDICAL LESSONS ESPECIALLY AFTER I WAS INSULTED FOR EVER SAYING MY PROFESSION (THAT WAS THE GREATEST MISTAKE I MADE IN NAIRALAND).
   BUT BECAUSE THE ARTICLE OF THIS THREAD CONCERNING A BLACK PERSON HAVING BLUE EYES SEEMS AMAZING TO MOST OF YOU, I'VE DECIDED TO MAKE MY CONTRIBUTION.[/b]
  Though it is something fascinating, but it is not supposed to be something desirable because such blue eyes especially in a baby of black African race is usually due to Genetic Disorder known as Waardenburg Syndrome.
  This condition reveals the presence of Congenital Albinism which is characterised with abnormal eye and hair suffuse (pigment) and (in some extreme cases) deafness.
   Usually due to superiority or inferiority complex (depending on one's race), many people consider blue or green eyes beautiful but the scientific fact is: the development of any eye colour that is not Brown or (depending on the variation of the amount of melanin) Green is as a result of a medical condition known as Genetic Mutation.
   So, (irrespective of race) Blue eyes is as a result of this genetic mutation that interferes with the OCA2 gene in human chromosomes which has resulted in the forming of an organism comonly described as a switch that essentially subdues the ability to produce brown eyes. The OCA2 gene codes for the nitrogenous organic compounds known as the P protein, which helps in producing the melanin, (that is the pigment that gives colour to our hair, eyes and skin).
  This stuff is comonly called switch, and it can be found in the gene close to OCA2 does not, nevertheless, turn off the gene completely, but instead, it reduces the ability to produce melanin in the iris (that's the muscular diaphragm which controls the size and colour of the eye pupil): this condition lessen the strength of brown eyes to blue ones.
  In the event of extreme conditions of this development whereby the OCA2 gene had been completely destroyed or turned off, the person will then be without melanin in the hair, eyes or skin colour and this condition is known as extreme Albinism.

   FACT: The normal colour for the human eye is BROWN, Green is not too bad, but as for BLUE colour, it is as a result of Genetic Mutation.
   FACT: There is absolutely NO natural thing that is BLACK in colour, not even the darkest human or Animal hair. Perhaps they appear black to the ordinary eyes, but in the real light, it's either extreme dark brown or blue. NO NATURAL THING THAT IS BLACK.

darfur (m)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #57 on: April 18, 2008, 10:53 PM »

Quote from: Vicjustice on April 18, 2008, 12:41 AM
  I REALLY DON'T LIKE TALKING ON MEDICAL GROUND ESPECIALLY IN NAIRALAND WHERE EVERYONE IS INSULTED FOR SHARING WHAT S/HE KNOWS OR BELIEVES, AND BESIDES, I BECAME A MEMBER OF THIS FORUM FOR THE FUN AND ENTERTAINMENT ESPECIALLY ON TRAVEL MATTER BECAUSE, I LOVE TRAVELLING. I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE GIVING MEDICAL LESSONS ESPECIALLY AFTER I WAS INSULTED FOR EVER SAYING MY PROFESSION (THAT WAS THE GREATEST MISTAKE I MADE IN NAIRALAND).
 BUT BECAUSE THE ARTICLE OF THIS THREAD CONCERNING A BLACK PERSON HAVING BLUE EYES SEEMS AMAZING TO MOST OF YOU, I'VE DECIDED TO MAKE MY CONTRIBUTION.[/b]
 Though it is something fascinating, but it is not supposed to be something desirable because such blue eyes especially in a baby of black African race is usually due to Genetic Disorder known as Waardenburg Syndrome.
 This condition reveals the presence of Congenital Albinism which is characterised with abnormal eye and hair suffuse (pigment) and (in some extreme cases) deafness.
 Usually due to superiority or inferiority complex (depending on one's race), many people consider blue or green eyes beautiful but the scientific fact is: the development of any eye colour that is not Brown or (depending on the variation of the amount of melanin) Green is as a result of a medical condition known as Genetic Mutation.
 So, (irrespective of race) Blue eyes is as a result of this genetic mutation that interferes with the OCA2 gene in human chromosomes which has resulted in the forming of an organism comonly described as a switch that essentially subdues the ability to produce brown eyes. The OCA2 gene codes for the nitrogenous organic compounds known as the P protein, which helps in producing the melanin, (that is the pigment that gives colour to our hair, eyes and skin).
 This stuff is comonly called switch, and it can be found in the gene close to OCA2 does not, nevertheless, turn off the gene completely, but instead, it reduces the ability to produce melanin in the iris (that's the muscular diaphragm which controls the size and colour of the eye pupil): this condition lessen the strength of brown eyes to blue ones.
 In the event of extreme conditions of this development whereby the OCA2 gene had been completely destroyed or turned off, the person will then be without melanin in the hair, eyes or skin colour and this condition is known as extreme Albinism.

  Note: there is absolutely NO natural thing that is BLACK in colour, not even the darkest human or Animal hair. Perhaps they appear black to the ordinary eyes, but in the real light, it's either extreme dark brown or blue. NO NATURAL THING THAT IS BLACK.


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ebelebe igba Grin Grin
OrumbaS89 (f)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #58 on: April 20, 2008, 05:00 AM »

Good lord. The child looks likes he's possessed.

I guess its another take on "Blue Eyed Devil", huh?  Grin
English1 (f)
Re: Black Baby With Blue Eyes.
« #59 on: May 04, 2008, 12:24 AM »

TO some extent Dru is right - blue eyes are a mutation BUT this mutation happened thousands of years ago and it is now a perfectly normal eye colour. It certainly isn't caused by the absence of eye-colour genes. It is not a sign of albinism. As this child is African-American all it means is that he had two blue eyed ancestors (one of each side of the family as he needs to have inherited the blue gene from both parents. It is recessive meaning that people with brown eyes can carry a blue-eye gene for generation after generation but nothing happens until it combines with another blue eye gene).

From Wiki
Blue eyes contain low amounts of melanin within the iris stroma; longer wavelengths of light tend to be absorbed by the underlying iris pigment epithelium, and shorter wavelengths are reflected and undergo Rayleigh scattering.[5] The type of melanin present is eumelanin.[24] The inheritance pattern followed by blue eyes is considered similar to that of a recessive trait, however it is a polygenic trait (meaning that it is controlled by the interactions of several genes, not just one).[7] Eiberg and colleagues showed in a study published in Human Genetics that a mutation in the 86th intron of the HERC2 gene, which is hypothesized to interact with the OCA2 gene promoter, reduced expression of OCA2 with subsequent reduction in melanin production.[25]

The authors concluded that the mutation may have arisen in a single individual around the Black Sea region 6,000-10,000 years ago, perhaps suggesting that all people with true blue eyes are more closely related. However, blue eyes with brown spots around the pupil are not related to this mutation.[25]

One survey estimated that nearly 90% of Icelanders have blue or green eyes. Blue eyes are often found in Northern European countries, and are most common in Ireland, Germany, Netherlands, Iceland, Austria, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Estonia and the United Kingdom.[26] They are also present, to a lesser extent, in Southern Europe, the Middle East, Afghanistan and India. A 2002 study found the prevalence of blue eye color among Whites in the United States to be 33.8% for those born between 1936 and 1951 compared to 57.4% for those born between 1899 and 1905.[7]

As melanin production generally increases during the first few years of life (especially if exposed to the sun), the blue eyes of some babies may darken as they get older.[citation needed]

Though the percentage is not clear, a few people have eyes that appear as differing shades of blue and green in different lighting and moods.


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