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Donzman (m)
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@sisimose
I'll let you iron it the issue with the feminists, you're a women and more involved than I can ever tell.
@WesleyanA
By natural, I do not mean status quo even though status quo tends to point us to the natural mode of affairs. By natural I mean physical, mental strength. Men have that intimidating factor to be able to guide a ship that will be often rocked like a family unit, women have the attributes required to oil and help the ship operate efficiently. It's a partnership, head and body, one cannot do without the other but there has to be one that's on top and takes control when there is trouble.
It has nothing to to with intelligence or brain size, a girl was the top student in my secondary school graduating class, I should know about women and intelligence. Higher intelligence does not equate to good leadership though!
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davidylan (m)
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men are also emotional. society forces them to conceal their emotions though. especially in the west.
that's why male friends can hold hand in Nigeria (i hope this has not changed) while in the US, you'll be considered a "sissy" or "girl"
1. Where in Nigeria do you find male friends holding hands? I can't remember doing that with any friend of mine. 2. Sissy men are a product of our increasing need to prove that we are now "enlightened". Western values have now taught us that men who shed tears, hold hands, sound weepy, write poems, open car doors for women are romantic while the rest are not. Every man now wants to distance himself from the days of our fathers when the mere sound of their footsteps sent us scampering under the table in the name of westernisation. |
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WesleyanA (f)
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what's funny is we women cry for more emotional men, blah blah , yet when we get it, we cry to our family and friends that we want strong leading men,besides while the feminist are breaking down the gender structures in the work place etc, do they ask or wonder who the men go home to? all broken and forced to assume an unnatural role. Answer is another woman like them lol . There is more , so much more to this interesting topic so i leave it here. You made me laugh Donzman. I know i must sound strange to some women, but it is not strange, many women are now running back to traditional values , because the rights they fight for in the work place etc are not so pretty anymore. Check this out. My sister and her husband were doing modern family , she is feminist . She had their baby . they had a crazy idea to have him stay home because she earns a whole heap more than him, she went straight to work after my nephew was born. She had a break down from stress and depression because she felt guilty and sad that she should be home with her baby. It's not worth it sometimes. Let men play their role, that is how mama did it  feminists are breaking down the gender structures? yes you won't be making posts here if they weren't. It was considered "unnatural" in the past for women to discuss serious topics (they're mentally incapable remember and weak ). It was "unnatural" for women to be authors (now i read many books authored by females and males, rather than just males) It was "unnatural" for women to take professional jobs (now we have numerous female professionals even though we're not there yet) it was unatural for women to vote let alone hold public office (look what we have now. i'll call it progress. but you're entitled to your opinion) |
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davidylan (m)
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feminists are breaking down the gender structures? yes you won't be making posts here if they weren't. It was considered "unnatural" in the past for women to discuss serious topics (they're mentally incapable remember and weak ). It was "unnatural" for women to be authors (now i read many books authored by females and males, rather than just males) It was "unnatural" for women to take professional jobs (now we have numerous female professionals even though we're not there yet) it was unatural for women to vote let alone hold public office (look what we have now. i'll call it progress. but you're entitled to your opinion) When was it unnatural for women to go to school, discuss serious topics, take up professional jobs and hold public office? Year 1592? |
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WesleyanA (f)
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1. Where in Nigeria do you find male friends holding hands? I can't remember doing that with any friend of mine.
yeah. In nigeria and some other parts of the world, guys are free to express their feelings and you can see male friends that are able to hug each other, go arm in arms. here, you're gay or a sissie.
2. Sissy men are a product of our increasing need to prove that we are now "enlightened". Western values have now taught us that men who shed tears, hold hands, sound weepy, write poems, open car doors for women are romantic while the rest are not.
do you mind explaining? shakespeare didn't live in modern western world and he wrote romance novels. men wrote poems to their loves e.t.c, they shed tears and what not. those are just natural emotions. can you elaborate please. on this western value of men showing emotions? It's the opposite of this that's going on from my understanding. |
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Donzman (m)
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Women are way more influential than they think even way back from the biblical era but what do they know?
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WesleyanA (f)
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When was it unnatural for women to go to school, discuss serious topics, take up professional jobs and hold public office? Year 1592?
have you heard of George Eliot? well, she must have beleived women and men have equal rights to write books. don't you think. she loved to write and she did it under a pseudonym so she wouldn't be caught and punished for doing a man's job. feminism has been in place for a LONG time. not just recently or 1952. it's been unatural for a LONG TIME and gradually, it's vanishing. It's still considered unnatural (here and especially other parts of the world) for women to discuss serious topics and take up professional jobs especially in politics and math/ science. |
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WesleyanA (f)
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Women are way more influential than they think even way back from the biblical era but what do they know?
of course women are influential. you wouldn't be here without one would you? slaves were also influential. all the cotton of the south wouldn't be produced without them would it. but what do they know. of course they're just a bunch of weak dummies. someone should repeal their right to vote. |
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sisimose (f)
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lol lets not make this tedious now lol Shakespeare too lol , i respect that man. Anyway it's not about all the things like writing books, going to school etc, that i would say is wrong. We are talking the very essence of our lives and existence and the relationship between the sexes hurray hurray the bang. right on the money Donzman. Women are way more influential than they think even way back from the biblical era but what do they know?
this is what i said on the last page, we have more power than we know, i think its been dulled out by feminist noise. If only we re- new our minds to see we have more power than we allow ourselves to feel, we should harness this. All this aggressor stance being adopted is so not necessary . I know my strength and i don't need to stand nose to nose with a man to show it, i bask in my femininity and command respect in a quiet way |
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davidylan (m)
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It's still considered unnatural (here and especially other parts of the world) for women to discuss serious topics and take up professional jobs especially in politics and math/ science.
Except in muslim countries where there are religion-inspired restrictions for women, the above is untrue. Feminism has very little to do with women fighting for emancipation, it is mainly for those who feel the need to dominate men. |
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WesleyanA (f)
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husbands and wives were "partners" i thought. not employer and employee
who said employer and employess weren't partners ? Shocked . you kidding? do we want o get into socio - economic? Grin
LMAO.  I hope you're kidding though  are you married? |
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sisimose (f)
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affirmative  |
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WesleyanA (f)
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Except in muslim countries where there are religion-inspired restrictions for women, the above is untrue.
most south american countries are christians not muslim. nigeria is not a muslim country either. go to the primary schools. women teach nursery schools while men predominantly taught primary schools. I came to the US and was surprised there was a female history and math teacher and a guy taught the lower class - 6th grade. the catholic no female priest rule is a religous-inspired restriction to women. Feminism has very little to do with women fighting for emancipation, it is mainly for those who feel the need to dominate men. you got proove? please elaborate oh. . I hope sisimore agrees with you on this one. she claims to be a former feminism. let's ask her if her aim was to dominate men. |
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WesleyanA (f)
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affirmative so your husband is the employer and you're the employee (employess. lol) right? cool different strokes for different folks. i see all women aren't alike btway. some (like me) prefer to be equal partners in the marriage institution |
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davidylan (m)
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most south american countries are catholic not muslim.
nigeria is not a muslim country either. go to the primary schools. women teach nursery schools while men predominantly taught primary schools.
I came to the US and was surprised there was a female history and math teacher and a guy taught the lower class - 6th grade.
you got proove?
please elaborate
1. Do we have conclusive evidence that discrimination against women occurs in south american countries? I school with 2 south american women, i will definitely ask them so do not say what you don't know. 2. Where in the constitution of Nigeria does it say that women are only allowed to teach nursery school and men teach primary school? I had a female teacher for JSS 2 and JSS3. My school principal and Vice principals for JSS 1 - 3 were female and i knew them personally. I had a female lecturer of physical chemistry in college. So what really was ur point there? 3. Why are you surprised that a male teacher was teaching a "lower" grade? It did not conform to your own preconcieved idea of the place of men? oh. . I hope sisimore agrees with you on this one. she claims to be a former feminism. let's ask her if her aim was to dominate men.
The place of a woman has never been in jeopardy at least in the developed world, all these over aggressive positions will not yield new grounds. Women have fought for "liberation" from nothing. What has it brought us? 50% of all marriages in the US now end in divorce because divorce laws have now been reformed to favour women. That is why women like Anna nicole smith can marry an 89 yr old for less than 9 months and be laying claim to half of his fortune!!! |
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Donzman (m)
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@WesleyanA
My nursey school had a female principal, ditto for my primary school which had a female principal and proprietor, my secondary school had a female principal and Head of Centre. All these were in Nigeria, I do not know where you get this info. that women are not allowed to teach pass a certain level.
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WesleyanA (f)
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@Donzman, my school in Nigeria also had a female proprietress but she was white (British). all the upper classes of the school had male teachers though while the lower classes had female teachers. I do not know where you get this info. that women are not allowed to teach pass a certain level. please do not twist my words. I said they weren't allowed as teachers in the past. and now they are and even still we have a long way to go. there is obviously more equality in the sexes in more developed countries than third world countries. that was my point. women are allowed to be scientists but are there a lot of women scientists as there should be? No. watch Pink's "stupid girl" music video in your free time. that's a feministic song. melikes. |
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davidylan (m)
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@Donzman, my school in Nigeria also had a female proprietress but she was white (British).
but all the upper classes of the school had male teachers though while the lower classes had female teachers.
Since when did your experience become a barometer for what obtains in Nigeria? Was it a coincidence or a deliberate policy of discrimination that had female teachers handling "lower" classes in your school? What has the color of your proprietress got to do with the place of Nigerian women in Nigeria? don't forget some of us still have mothers living in Nigeria. They are not busy grovelling at the feet of their men. |
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WesleyanA (f)
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yeah. but the point is there are more housewife nigerians than in developed countries whose job is just to make babies and more babies (what's the population count again?  ) women in nigeria are also less likely to vote than women in the west. this means that they get less policies to their benefit and improvement (family, healthcare e.t.c) anecdotes don't work i guess. i won't use it anymore unless i really need to. |
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davidylan (m)
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yeah. but the point is there are more housewife nigerians than in developed countries whose job is just to make babies and more babies (what's the population count again? ) Yet again you fail to provide evidence that this is due to a deliberate policy to undermine women. There are also more unemployed men in Nigeria than in developed countries, does that mean that Nigerian men are under a policy of discrimination too compared to western men? That there are more housewives in Nigeria may not be unconnected with the near comatose state of the economy. women in nigeria are also less likely to vote than women in the west. this means that they get less policies to their benefit and improvement (family, healthcare e.t.c)
this made me laugh. 1. Is there a law that prohibits Nigerian women from voting? It may be interesting to note that far less men are likely to vote in Nigeria compared to men from the west. 2. Are there gender specific policies that are tied to voting? What are the "benefits and improvements" that men in Nigeria get for voting? |
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WesleyanA (f)
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Do we have conclusive evidence that discrimination against women occurs in south american countries? I school with 2 south american women, i will definitely ask them so do not say what you don't know. facts proove that third world countries have less equality among sexes. boys more likely to be sent to school e.t.c i just finished reading a mexican book "Like water for chocolate" it shows the divided between sexes. this is relevant enough. hehe there were so many google links for discrimination against women in south american countries. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=355493. Why are you surprised that a male teacher was teaching a "lower" grade? It did not conform to your own preconcieved idea of the place of men? I didn't know there were countries that gave women more rights, affirmative action in employment. and it came as a surprise to me still beats me. Hillary '08. woah. we are making progress. |
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davidylan (m)
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facts proove that third world countries have less equality among sexes. boys more likely to be sent to school e.t.c
what "facts"? Do you know that more boys are likely to go to school in America than boys in third world countries? Do we percieve that as inequality among races too? I read the link. It does not prove your point. Maryam Abacha had countless conferences, dialogues and conventions "fighting for the rights" of women. Was that an indication that Nigerian women were specifically discriminated agaiinst as a matter of government policy? I didn't know there were countries that gave women more rights, affirmative action in employment. and it came as a surprise to me still beats me. Hillary '08. woah. we are making progress. Since when did it become a thing to celebrate that women are now teaching higher grades?  Who denied women that right? |
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sisimose (f)
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0k did i miss much? i am back wow you have all gotten deep now, very interesting.I like! |
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WesleyanA (f)
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Yet again you fail to provide evidence that this is due to a deliberate policy to undermine women. There are also more unemployed men in Nigeria than in developed countries, does that mean that Nigerian men are under a policy of discrimination too compared to western men?
That there are more housewives in Nigeria may not be unconnected with the near comatose state of the economy.
this made me laugh.
1. Is there a law that prohibits Nigerian women from voting? It may be interesting to note that far less men are likely to vote in Nigeria compared to men from the west.
2. Are there gender specific policies that are tied to voting? What are the "benefits and improvements" that men in Nigeria get for voting?
You like to deviate from topic by making ridiculous comments or twisting my words. counter my points please: 1. compared to western countries, women in third world countries are more likely to be unemployed in comparison to the men that are employed. this also goes with education.
2. women in nigeria are less likely to vote than men compared to women voting ratio to men in western countries. 3. yes there specific policies tied to voting that tend to benefit specific people. policies that affect healthcare, employment affirmative action, labor (especially in third world countries like nigeria with housegirls phenomena), abortion e.t.c that's why women in US are more likely to be recognized with the democratic party than GOP (this is a fact. look it up in google and don't bother to ask a dumb question) i can't believe you don't know these stuff. lmao |
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WesleyanA (f)
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Since when did it become a thing to celebrate that women are now teaching higher grades? Shocked
Who denied women that right? they are celebrated because they inspire. females are more likely to go into a field if they see other females in the field or aren't pressured negatively about it. I can asssure you that Hillary's feat will encourage many females to pursue politics. they did it not because they didn't have the right to do it, but because they overcame challenges. female authors of the 17th and 18th century are also celebrated because of the extreme risk and challenge they faced in paving the way for it to be easier now for women to do the same thing. |
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WesleyanA (f)
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My school principal and Vice principals for JSS 1 - 3 were female and i knew them personally. oh. now you can use this info to support yourself, huh. I thought women's job was in her kitchen and not in leading/ controlling institutions, businesses and corporations  |
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davidylan (m)
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Madam wesley o!! You like to deviate from topic by making ridiculous comments or twisting my words.
counter my points please:
1. compared to western countries, women in third world countries are more likely to be unemployed in comparison to the men that are employed. this also goes with education.
Can you please cite an authentic statistical data that supports your careless statement? Is there a discriminatory policy in place in Nigeria that specifically states that preference be given to men in terms of employment? Are Nigerian women complaining of discrimination in terms of employment opportunities? 2. women in nigeria are less likely to vote than men compared to women voting ratio to men in western countries.
Again, is there an INEC policy that bars women from voting? 3. yes there specific policies tied to voting that tend to benefit specific people. policies that affect healthcare, employment affirmative action, labor (especially in third world countries like nigeria with housegirls phenomena), abortion e.t.c
that's why women in US are more likely to be recognized with the democratic party than GOP (this is a fact. look it up in google and don't bother to ask a dumb question)
i can't believe you don't know these stuff. lmao
LMAO! Are you comparing the GOP and democratic party in the USA to PDP, AC in Nigeria? What are the benefits tied to voting for the PDP in Nigeria?
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davidylan (m)
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oh. now you can use this info to support yourself, huh. I thought women's job was in her kitchen and not in leading/ controlling institutions, businesses and corporations don't tie yourself up into a knot. No one said such a thing. Infact my mom and aunts are full time career women! My mom works at least 12 hrs a day till tomorrow so what's your point? Who said women shld go and sit in the kitchen? |
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lewa (m)
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some people no nathing
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WesleyanA (f)
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It wasn't a careless statement. It most definitely is a FACT that women in Nigeria compared to western countries have less employment opportunities (in ratio to men who do) of course most aren't complaining about it. even though there are those few like Onyeka Omwenu ( a feminist i admire) but most don't have a clue. aren't even educated on it. they believe they're inferior to men. Again, is there an INEC policy that bars women from voting? No. can you answer why women in Nigeria aren't voting even though they're allowed to? (hint: "POLITICS IS MENS BUSINESS") see what i mean by deviating from topic? comparison between american parties and nigerian ones. hmm. benefits of voting PDP. hmm let me see . . . don't tie yourself up into a knot. No one said such a thing. Infact my mom and aunts are full time career women! My mom works at least 12 hrs a day till tomorrow so what's your point? Who said women shld go and sit in the kitchen?
are you going to be the employer when you get married (if you're not) and your wife the employee. lmao. hope you don't pay her minimum wages. At least things have progressed a little. wives are no longer property, it's now employee. just kidding. so how are you anti-feminist. if you have full career women all around you? feminism is all about equal opportunities. what part of equal opportunity do you not agree with i think we're getting to a point. |
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omoge (f)
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I have a friend, she is from another african country. Told me she does not want to marry and I asked why?
She said because African man expect you to do so many things and she just can't because she is a Feminist.
she has a Master degree in her field and in early 30s, hooked up with an oyinbo broke up because that one too
complains that she is in the house and he is eating bread and pnut for dinner. she asked him, did i not tell you I'm a Feminist? why should
you expect me to cook you dinner?
Oh well, some people are just hardcore Feminist. I support the idea of equal partner, respect and mutual understanding.
Feminism, I can be the one I can describe for myself.
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WesleyanA (f)
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I have a friend, she is from another african country. Told me she does not want to marry and I asked why?
She said because African man expect you to do so many things and she just can't because she is a Feminist.
she has a Master degree in her field and in early 30s, hooked up with an oyinbo broke up because that one too
complains that she is in the house and he is eating bread and pnut for dinner. she asked him, did i not tell you I'm a Feminist? why should
you expect me to cook you dinner?
Oh well, some people are just hardcore Feminist. I support the idea of equal partner, respect and mutual understanding.
Feminism, I can be the one I can describe for myself.
thank you!!  yeah, i'll quote TOH again. lol. "there's a difference between feminists and femi-nazis" cracks me up everytime. media and propaganda have distorted what it means to be a feminists so much now that people (who aren't educated on the true definition) believe it to be synonymous with "man-hating" |
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