|
ThiefOfHearts (f)
|
Maybe the Israeli Igbos don't practice it  |
|
|
|
|
|
Nia
|
@ toshman, it's alright. Thanks for clarifying.
|
|
|
|
|
|
j-girl (f)
|
@ topic, I would say feminism is a movement against the oppression of the female gender has a whole. An egalitarian society might be hard to attain but it is possible for it to be more equal. Because of feminism, women can go to school and become professionals, they can become working mothers, and even better yet, they are able to penetrate the boundaries created by men to separate the public sphere from the domestic sphere.
I also see feminism as a movement to go against the norms of what gender roles are assigned to us. By doing so, women don't have to be the one being the housewives and the mothers all the time.
Is it just feminism or do you want to talk about something more specific?
|
|
|
|
|
|
LadyT (f)
|
I don't think there is a clear defintion or balance in some feminists tho. Many reject the female image completely. I think a woman should still be allowed to embrace her sexuality and still be strong. Women should be seen for their potential and intelligence. But just because a female choses to dress in a feminine or so called stereotypical manner doesn't mean she doesn't want to be respected.
|
|
|
|
|
|
ThiefOfHearts (f)
|
. They reject the female image completely.
introducing the femi-naziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis  |
|
|
|
|
|
j-girl (f)
|
I'm reading a book on that 'to be real' by Rebecca Walker and it's a collection of different life experiences from different people and she talks about how feminism is no more a rejection but we all represent one thing of the other. To be a feminist doesn't mean you shouldn't get married, put on nice clothes and go out but it means to have a strong opinion about the oppression women face and try to do something about it by making raising voices about this oppression.
|
|
|
|
|
|
LadyT (f)
|
I agree with you at J - girl but remember the bra burning images of the 60's or was it the 70's.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Nia
|
I don't think there is a balance in feminism tho. They reject the female image completely. I think a woman should still be allowed to embrace her sexuality and still be strong. Women should be seen for their potential and intelligence. But just because a female choses to dress in a feminine or so called stereotypical manner doesn't mean she doesn't want to be respected.
YEs, extremists should be frowned upon. In your example, though, I don't consider it as extreme. If you talk to a handful of professors at your university who are aware of the cultural aspect of places like America, the more "feminine" you look, the less seriously people take you in certain fields, i.e the corporate world. Speaking from personal experience, a lot of people going through grad school learn that early on. Is it right? no. But Ultimately the farther up you want to go in this contry, the more you find yourself steadily battling all the stereotypical ideas society puts in your head. The corporate world does not respect the type of behavior society encourages in females. They respect the go-gether, the ruthless, aggressive, moraless, hard individual. This is typically/steroetypically what men are suppose to be and not women. SO I think that's what those individuals are pointing at when they say things like that. Yes, people should be respected no matter how they dress (or act-feminine vs. masculine stereotypes). I'm a strong advocate of this, but you don't always get that option in a patriarchial society. @ Terracota, yes, bell hooks and patricia hill collins are good on black female perspective on oppression of women. |
|
|
|
|
|
neelsel (f)
|
J-girl t
Great post!!
Once again Peoples' opinion of feminism is one that portrays women as "men haters", and until we understand what Feminism entails, then this ignorance unfortunately will never cease. Once again, excellent post,
Feminism ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
ThiefOfHearts (f)
|
lol  maybe now more females wont be saying crap about something that is benefiting them. |
|
|
|
|
|
neelsel (f)
|
TOH!!
I am a Feminist, and a proud one, I will not be oppressed or subjected to second place.
Equal rights and justice, that's my motto.
I work as hard or even harder than my male counter parts, pay the same taxes as they do etc, so why must I be treated differently?
Now I truly agree with you on the whole "Femi-Nazi" thingy. There are truly some so-called feminists who have really taken it to the extreme.
Feminism ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
|
|
|
|
|
|
Donzman (m)
|
@TerraCotta, LadyT
Where I come from, we do not do naming ceremonies so Babyosisi is right.
|
|
|
|
|
|
LadyT (f)
|
What do you have then? Do you mark births in anyway?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Donzman (m)
|
We mark childbirthWe do not do naming ceremonies.
What does Olutope mean?
|
|
|
|
|
|
ThiefOfHearts (f)
|
OluTope = Oluwa-to-ope = God is worthy of praise
why?
|
|
|
|
|
|
LadyT (f)
|
We mark childbirthWe do not do naming ceremonies.
What does Olutope mean?
You had me worried I was about to ask maybe you are not African. |
|
|
|
|
|
Donzman (m)
|
OluTope = Oluwa-to-ope = God is worthy of praise
why?
NothingLooking to impress someone! You had me worried I was about to ask maybe you are not African.
We still do not do naming ceremonies, maybe some Igbos do but not anyone I know of. I grew up in the East and I'll say I never saw a naming ceremony. When I was living in Lagos, you get 2 or 3 in an area every other weekend! |
|
|
|
|
|
LadyT (f)
|
Ofcourse @donzman any excuse for a party!
|
|
|
|
|
|
ThiefOfHearts (f)
|
you are such a dork My name isnt Olutope so who is this you are impressing? pretending to understand Yoruba typical fraudulent Nigerian  |
|
|
|
|
|
Donzman (m)
|
One name at a timeSo what does Temi mean? What about Dayo? What about Muyiwa?
|
|
|
|
|
|
ThiefOfHearts (f)
|
Temi is Nkem!
Oluwa-Muyiwa, God brings forth Honor.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Donzman (m)
|
So ThiefofHearts, to me you are Temi. |
|
|
|
|
|
ThiefOfHearts (f)
|
and to me you are Mr Oniranu |
|
|
|
|
|
j-girl (f)
|
TOH!!
I am a Feminist, and a proud one, I will not be oppressed or subjected to second place.
Equal rights and justice, that's my motto.
I work as hard or even harder than my male counter parts, pay the same taxes as they do etc, so why must I be treated differently?
Now I truly agree with you on the whole "Femi-Nazi" thingy. There are truly some so-called feminists who have really taken it to the extreme.
Feminism ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
See? That's wassup! Very few girls will call themselves feminist. Just like christians are encouraged to do everything in moderation, so are feminists. For those of us that refused to be labelled as the 'second sex', we just want to be seen as humans and not properties to be acquired by men when we reach the age of marriage. |
|
|
|
|
|
babyosisi (f)
|
@TerraCotta, LadyT
Where I come from, we do not do naming ceremonies so Babyosisi is right.
when we have non Igbos trying to educate us of Igbo tradition,it becomes laughable. that link terra cotta posted said zilch of naming ceremonies in Igboland. There are no naming ceremonies in any part of Igboland,it is not an Igbo culture. Igbos do "ikuputa nwa" which is a Child dedication/christening usually preceeded by a church service and a reception afterwards. having cleared that up,back to the topic
. |
|
|
|
|
|
TerraCotta (m)
|
when we have non Igbos trying to educate us of Igbo tradition,it becomes laughable.
that link terra cotta posted said zilch of naming ceremonies in Igboland. What's laughable is being sadly misinformed about a culture you claim as your own. From the link I posted: As such, Traditional Birth Poetry of the Igbo falls into nine parts or sections; including poems about the quest for children, poems linked with pregnancy, poems that are sung immediately a child is born; Omugwo poems (a period when the mother rests, eats nourishing food and abstains from all forms of physical exertions.
Others include poems connected with the birth of 10 children (by one woman for her husband), recitations for child – namingceremony, lullabies, poems associated with the child’s physical development as well as derogatory poems for children born out of wedlock. If the portion highlighted in red is not clear enough for you, there's not much I can do to help you.  Frankly, there's no reason for me to believe you know any more about traditional Igbo culture than the average American knows about the Founding Fathers or the contents of the Bill of Rights. What happens in your little corner of the world does not mean that you know enough to make a blanket statement. Unless you want to point to evidence of your scholarship on Igbo culture, I'D have to defer to Prof. Bob Uzochukwu, who wrote the book I quoted. No one's stopping you from disputing his work and publishing your own dissertation on the topic There are no naming ceremonies in any part of Igboland,it is not an Igbo culture.
Igbos do "ikuputa nwa" which is a Child dedication/christening usually preceeded by a church service and a reception afterwards. LOL @ "christening". What is a christening if not a naming ceremony? In fact, what happened before the missionaries stopped by eastern Nigeria less than 100 years ago? Look, I'm not interested in message board arguments so I won't go much further with this, but please don't debate issues of culture that you're not familiar with. Being of a particular cultural background doesn't make you immune from ignorance about it. having cleared that up,back to the topic
. My exact thoughts. |
|
|
|
|
|
lewa (m)
|
The feminists i meet on a daily basis always seem gung-ho!Always out to prove that they're equally as good and as competent as their male colleagues.Fine with me.But when you make that your mantra and cry wolf always where none is,always eager to prove that the whole establishment is anti-women then i take offence!There's nothing called a glass ceiling when it comes to the corporate world.My mum went to school in the 60's, married my pa after she had settled into a good job and proceeded to shine in her field.She says feminists her whiners.My grand ma,(maternal),raised 4 kids by herself.Her husband who shortly had come into some inheritance just after where married was busy still sowing his wild oats in town and partying!All went to college,paid for by her.Her mother in her tme was a notable trader and a woman of means in the early part of the last century in the Ijebu province.Despite her husband's insistence on not fulfilling his own responsibilty(Nigerian men ) ,she went to business and made good for herself and later generations.
We Ijebus have always had strong and formidable women in our history-women who raised kids,ran their businesses,kept their heads when their husbands almost lost theirs,independent and fiercely protected their marriages.
What can i call these women?Feminists?Rather not!
|
|
|
|
|
|
j-girl (f)
|
Feminism is not about having the strength to raise kids and whatnot.
It's about having the right to be treated as humans and not properties or objects to be acquired.
It's the right for women to sleep with as many men as they want without being degraded for it.
It's about men learning that women are just as independent as they can me.
It's about society to stop blaming the female victims for their rapes.
It's about a woman having the right to wear what she wants without being victimized or being labeled as a ho or a prostitute.
It's about women running for presidency and being rejected on their ability but not their gender.
It's about us having the same paycheck as men for doing the same work they do.
It's about women not being forced to be a "mummy" and a trophy wife when she wants to explore the world
It's about men realizing that we want them not that we need them
|
|
|
|
|
|
toshmann (m)
|
Feminism is not about having the strength to raise kids and whatnot.
It's about having the right to be treated as humans and not properties or objects to be acquired.
It's the right for women to sleep with as many men as they want without being degraded for it.
It's about men learning that women are just as independent as they can me.
It's about society to stop blaming the female victims for their rapes.
It's about a woman having the right to wear what she wants without being victimized or being labeled as a ho or a prostitute.
It's about women running for presidency and being rejected on their ability but not their gender.
It's about us having the same paycheck as men for doing the same work they do.
It's about women not being forced to be a "mummy" and a trophy wife when she wants to explore the world
It's about men realizing that we want them not that we need them
from j-girl continued . . . . it's about women having five husbands or more without being embarrased about it it's about women having five kids from five husbands without the society disturbing their peace it's about women having 4 or more boyfriends apart from their five husbands and nobody should bother them it's about women sleeping with their daughter's boyfriends as well as their boyfriend's fathers -no stress it's about women not working at all but collecting pay cheques from their divorced husbands (14 of them) it's about a woman's right to be a whore. it's about a woman right to relax at home while her husbands/boyfriends/ sex mates do all the work for her it's about a woman's right to slap her husband as and when due it's about a woman's right to be a fool. after all, na your business? . . . . . . . . .it's . .about . . .a . . .fool's . . . .right . . .to . . . .be . . . a . . . . .woman |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
ThiefOfHearts (f)
|
you're not funny toshmann. Go back to kissing Sista's ass.
Lol and osisi, are you saying that Igbos were practicing "Christening" for their children even before the missionaries brought Christianity to Nigeria? Or perhaps they didnt have children til the Europeans arrived?
Rofl, you're killing me here.
|
|
|
|
|
|
toshmann (m)
|
you're not funny toshmann. Go back to kissing Sista's ass.
@ thief, it's the right of a woman to be a thief and how did sista come into this discussion? are jelous of something or are you being stupid? ahaaa!!!!!!!! i forgot, it's the right of a woman to be stupid please make your contribution, toshmann no dey for all of una quarrel. count me out. |
|
|
|
|
|
![Nairaland [Nigerian Forum] Home](http://www.nairaland.com/Themes/default/images/english/home.gif)
Poll
Author
