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ThiefOfHearts (f)
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Dude, I'D have to care to argue with you.
Compare what j-girl wrote to the useless garbage you added and see for yourself where the stupidity lies.
Stop pretending to understand something you OBVIOUSLY don't. Now if you were joking that's a whole different matter but I have my suspcions that you werent.
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toshmann (m)
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look thief no be me and you abeg. u hear? sogbo? abeg. i take God beg you. i no be una type wey sabi quarrel. abeg. i come nairaland for fun and relaxation no be to make enemies wey i no fit see. the one i fit see don too much, make i no add unseen enemies join am. ejoo i no go ever respond to wetin you yarn.if that will please you.
na joke i joke .happy?
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ThiefOfHearts (f)
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Better. Guys really shouldnt reply to female issues anyway except for when they actually know what they are talking about. 
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sharetroll (m)
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There is much room in society for the defined feminist anymore. Those that oppose equal rights are in the severe minority.
That leaves the crazy feminists that want women to be in control, even though they claim are going for equal rights. It basically entails not having a sense of humor as far as I can tell.
The thing is that most women and men don't WANT totally equal rights. A lot of things that are done in society (holding doors for women, men buying dinner for women) are NOT something that is considered to be equality in society. Women like that kind of stuff, so they lose some of the perks with total equality, otherwise it's not equality.
Equality is an impossible goal.
We can do our best to help "curb" the gap as much as humanely possible. However, true progress cannot be achieved unless we accept that men and women are vastly different in some areas.
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LadyT (f)
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Sharetroll are you the same person you have just spoken so much sense. 
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toshmann (m)
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feminism is crap. it is just another unnecessary movt. women are women and men are men. why should we be talking about gender equality and between what do you mean by gender equality? men should start sharing pregnancy with women, or men should start sharing the role of breast feeding? or women want to have some balls in a scrotum?
methinks women are human beings and if we concentrate on human rights and make it efficient it will benefit the women folk. b/c under human rights we have the right of the woman to vote and be voted for, to seek whatever employment she qualifies for, to fall in love and get married, the right to life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness. under human rights the woman will have the right of a say in her marriage, fundamental human rights will protect the woman from Domestiv Violence and other anti women societal cultures such as female circumsicion and early marriage/sex/pregnancy/childbirth------->V V F societal rejection etc. these can and should be fought under tha banner of Human rights. we don't need to create a new movt called feminism which is packed with a high percentage of women with a history of failed marriage(s).
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Radiant (f)
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what do you mean by gender equality? men should start sharing pregnancy with women, or men should start sharing the role of breast feeding? or women want to have some balls in a scrotum?
 Trying to be funny or som'n? I personally, am not a "feminist". Whatever right an individual has and is allowed to have, I certainly do have it. That a woman can't climb a palm tree doesn't mean she's being a feminist  . Every individual should have equal rights irrespective of gender. That's my opinion though.  I find it gross fighting for rights with men 
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ThiefOfHearts (f)
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He tries to be and constantly fails miserably at it.
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LadyT (f)
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Toshman most feminists start off as young single women. You need to get it out of your head that a feminist is some bitter divorcee! And stop your ranting you sound like a chauvinistic pig. Those human rights are why feminism is here today! Its just that there is clear need to see real feminists and to see Feminist Nazis! Hey TOH!
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ThiefOfHearts (f)
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Hey love.  Maybe the dude will listen to you. Lord knows I tried.
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debosky (m)
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some feminists have given the whole movement a bad name, such as those who claim everyman is a fundamentally a rapist, and that the main purpose of the phallus is to ensure male dominance (what bollocks)
more recently third world feminists have emerged as those trying to make clear distinction between binaries - what constitutes true 'equality' and tokenism, and the true defining characteristic differences between the sexes
and the question of whether true 'equality' can ever be achieved. women deserve all the same rights as men, but since there are some fundamental differences that help define roles in society (e.g childbirth, physical strength), absolute equality will never be attained
there shouldn't be discrimination in terms of pay, promotion, political acceptance, sexual choice/freedom and so on, but the basic differences should never be forgotten - a man will never be a woman or vice versa.
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sharetroll (m)
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Sharetroll are you the same person you have just spoken so much sense.  Sociology class.
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toshmann (m)
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@debo, if u read in between the lines of my last post u'll recognise that what i'm saying is not far from what u are saying. @thief, if you were an intelligent thief u'll know that i'm not joking. let us forget about the 2nd part of the last sentence of my last post, what else in that post looks like a joke? for the person whose problems include the right to climb palm wine, can't you see that your fundamental human rights give u the right to climb palm wine tree (if the tree is urs or if the owner of the tree allows u to do so). what are we talking about here. let us concentrate on fundamental human rights which will cover not only women but also other vulnerable groups in a population such as minorities, children(including orphans) immigrant(legal and illegal) refugees, and all those who are underprevileged in the society. i'll see y'all later, i got a train to catch. i need to see my fiancee(and she's no feminist  ) this night 
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babyosisi (f)
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you're not funny toshmann. Go back to kissing Sista's ass.
Lol and osisi, are you saying that Igbos were practicing "Christening" for their children even before the missionaries brought Christianity to Nigeria? Or perhaps they didnt have children til the Europeans arrived?
Rofl, you're killing me here.
TOH,there is no ceremony in Igboland called "Naming ceremony" like you have in Yorubaland. When you find out what it was called before the missionaries,tell me,my parents nor grandparents had no ceremonies called by that name. That should be simple to understand. Please don't die of laughter,it would be difficult to get a conclusive autopsy report on that. When terracotta finds another Igbo poetry on argungu festival,I'll learn something "new". we have never called it a naming ceremony,we name our babies way before then so that phrase is not in the celebration. Any Igbo person here who has attended a naming ceremony in Igboland should please tell us. back to the topic.
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j-girl (f)
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@ TOH, thank you - i thought i would have had to answer toshmann's additions
@ toshmann, i think TOH has already answered for me but feminists are not men haters. Get your facts rights. Feminists do fall in love, give birth, build their families.
We know that a gender egalitarian society can never occur but the distinction between men and women is unnecessarily great. However, i know of a gender egalitarian society just outside of China. As in couples cook together, go to the farm together, and the husband's job during the childbirth is not as painful as the wife but he's gotta be in charge of it. Men carry children on their back when they want to go hunting. It wasn't until the patriarchal society of China invaded that they understood what was going on. That study was done in 2002, i think. For this kind of society, women are not oppressed or called all kinds of names and you can't expect them to be fighting for what they have already. But in this part of the world, we have to fight to get anywhere close and if we're going to fight for something, we might as well aim for the highest.
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ThiefOfHearts (f)
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Nobody said you had "naming ceramony" but I'D like to BELIEVE that there was another way of celebrating childbirth/naming before the Europeans came along with Christening and all, because you claiming that all you people do is Christening doesnt make any sense if you people indeed have children before the missionaries arrived Nigeria.
j girl, I'm done exchanging comments with the likes of toshmann, hopefully you wont waste your time anymore either. I already said that guys shouldnt even bother replying unless they know what the hell they are talking about. How can anyone read your list and then confuse it with the garbage that toshmann added to it *rolls eyes* Debo and even Sharetroll have contributed nicely, everything else is filler. There was a reason why I said what I said in the beginning of this thread, I was expecting dumb reponses ESP from those who have no idea on what the word means and tend to confuse feminism with crazy fem-nazis. Good forbid they try to learn something.
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neelsel (f)
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I think the problem that most men are having with females acquiring leading roles, is the fact that their supposedly reign of "power" would be threatened.
I grew with in a nuclear family, however, it was my mom who molded and kept the family together, while my dad was busy "servicing" the women in the town and anywhere else they could have been found.
Now, fortunately, not all men have issues with females wanting to be heard. There are men who admire ladies for taking a stand.
As TOH and J-girl meticulously pointed out, Feminism does not entails, being a Man-hater, or anti-family. It is just a notion of not wanting to be subjected to certain roles, but otherwise be appreciated for who we are.
I was taking the subway home a few nights ago, and this man almost ran me over to take the only available seat. Another gentleman sitting adjacent to him remarked about his demeanor, to which this "idiot" responded. "Well ladies said they want equality as men, so we have to treat them as such" His demeanor totally blew me away. With this type of mentality the problem of gender bickering will be here for a long time.
Another factor worthy of not is that of androgyny. Androgyny should never be a part of anyone's society. My mom (when she was younger) could assemble any electrical equipment, while my dad spent hours trying to decode the manual. I strongly believe that when issues as such are eradicated from our societies, then and only then will we experience changes.
Just like MLK had his dream, I have one too. That Men and women will be treated equally. We need to snap out of this mentality, and the sooner the better.
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my2cents (m)
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Nope.
It is probably (emphasis on "probably") single-handedly responsible for the following:
1) High divorce rates
2) Single parent homes
3) Lack of proper child home training which is most likely (emphasis on "most likely") the result of one parent not being able to spend the right amount of time with their kids
Now, before the zealots on here issue the equivalent of a fatwa calling for my assassination, I am not saying that a woman should be relegated to the bottom of the food chain. All humans are equal. There is a difference however b/w being equal and "being equal" if you understand what I mean. My mom for instance has always been in positions of power, many of which being positions my Dad rejected and offered to my Mom instead but she sure did know her place in the home. She knew when to put on which face where. And my parents hv been married for over 30 years.
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sisimose (f)
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@ toshmann, i think TOH has already answered for me but feminists are not men haters. Get your facts rights. Feminists do fall in love, give birth, build their families. haha yes they do all the above then it all falls apart  because they want to swap roles with men. My view on this is , NO TO FEMINISM. I do not like the idea, do not buy it , do not agree with it. It causes too many unnecessary problems in marriages. If only Feminist would have the good sense to choose a husband that is submissive  or docile to cope with their their ideas on family life then we won't have a problem. Instead they get married and give the poor man grief for life. No way thanks but no thanks, i strongly believe we all have natural given roles i.e among the sexes and these should not be interfered with. Too often we think we are smarter or more intelligent than nature, its hilarious  . Women, we cause our own problems sometimes.A little education and we begin to develop feminist ways. Love , care, respect and companionship are what matter , women have very unique position in this life, if only we could tap into the naturally given power we possess. I take pride in being a woman '' non feminist'' 
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sisimose (f)
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2cents thumbs up my brother 
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ThiefOfHearts (f)
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Nope.
It is probably (emphasis on "probably") single-handedly responsible for the following:
1) High divorce rates
2) Single parent homes
3) Lack of proper child home training which is most likely (emphasis on "most likely") the result of one parent not being able to spend the right amount of time with their kids
what's it like to be utterly clueless? and sisi you also don't know what you are talking about. look up the word instead of making up stuff and try again.
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sisimose (f)
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Thiefofheart
maybe you can try discussing why you think my opinion is wrong, instead of taking an attitude that your opinion must reign supreme. You gave yours , i give mine, you want to discuss, i am open to that, just be more articulate. By the way i know the meaning of the word sorry i didnt impress you this time around,, i'll sure try again, just let me know how
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ThiefOfHearts (f)
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From your comment, i believe you don't.
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sharetroll (m)
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Thiefofheart
maybe you can try discussing why you think my opinion is wrong, instead of taking an attitude that your opinion must reign supreme. You gave yours , i give mine, you want to discuss, i am open to that, just be more articulate. By the way i know the meaning of the word sorry i didnt impress you this time around,, i'll sure try again, just let me know how
To be honest, I highly doubt if she's not troll herself. If she is a troll indeed, it would bring me some tears of joy.
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sisimose (f)
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sharetroll what do you mean  sorry i didn't get that? From your comment, i believe you don't.
and you are?  , are you the nairaland postometer? are you the resident post analyser? sorry i said tell me where you disagree and i will oblige you with a mature discussion on this topic. One off comments like the above are easy but not the way to go 
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ThiefOfHearts (f)
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wee! 
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ThiefOfHearts (f)
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what is more to say sisimore, you believe a woman standing up for herself is giving people grief, why would I argue with someone who thinks like that.
we are talking about people standing up for their own rights, you are talking about a poor husband. what does husband have to do with issue at hand. there are many places where still 2 people of opposite gender do the same job at a workplace and one gets more money than the other, it's things like that we are referring to. I'm so sick of explaining the difference between someone who stands up for her rights and that of other women and a crazy fem-nazi. Appaently you people don't want to believe there's a damn difference so why the hell should I bother?
african women would do anything to land a man even if it means being a doormat. That's why you have women who are beaten up in their homes and they are still the same ones who ask for forgiveness. I have no more to say to you.
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sisimose (f)
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smile! Your opinon, that's just what this is, and on the other hand we have those who have opposing views to yours, i do not think this topic is about one person or one voice, that is the beauty of a public forum. you have spoken i guess in your mind we all have to observe silence now.  Anyway staying on topic, to anyone who cares to read without feeding me their opinion by force this is what i agree with 1) High divorce rates
2) Single parent homes Hard enough expecting your china to be safe with a bull around ''china shop ring a bell?''
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my2cents (m)
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One big problem with feminism is that not only has it turned some women into, as we say in naija, tigers, but now it is breeding an entirely evolved species of tigers which now have wings to boot. Worse still, when some of us leave Naija for "greener pastures", they take "when in Rome, do as the Romans" too literally. In other words, they copy both the bad and the good, often in an attempt to be "cool" or "hip". We take the words "independence" and "freedom" beyond even what the actual citizens of the country we are emigrating to intended for it to be.
Granted there are probably not many christians on this forum, but it is safe to say what I am about to say in any religion, "Woman obey your husband" and "Husband love your wife".
If we do the aforementioned, this world would be a better place.
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WesleyanA (f)
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I'm for feminism.
imo, men are more likely to oppose to feminism than women because they don't benefit from it or they feel it may be detrimental to them. individuals who grew up in environments that foster equality, have more female head figures around e.t.c are more likely to support feminism. I think education and knowledge on the history of feminism, on works by feminists etc also gives people a positive view of it
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Donzman, your comment on kids who were raised by single parents. well, imo, they probably are more likely to support feminism depending on the environment they were raised in.
like TOH said, there's a difference between feminists and "femi-nazis". lol since feminism is now synonymous with man-hating.
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WesleyanA (f)
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@my2cents Granted there are probably not many christians on this forum, but it is safe to say what I am about to say in any religion,
"Woman obey your husband" and "Husband love your wife".
If we do the aforementioned, this world would be a better place. "man obey your wife" and "wife love your husband" would this also make the world a better place?
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j-girl (f)
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@ sisi, You're the first female i've seen who said no to feminism. We (TOH, WesleyanA, I and neelsel) have been saying over and over again that there is a difference between Feminists and as they called it "Femi-Nazis". There are extremists and there are those that take things in moderation. You have to distinguish between both of them.
About the divorce rates: You guys are blaming it on women? Are you freaking kidding me? So what happens to a woman who keeps being maltreated by her husband?(The Movie: Diary of a Mad Black woman) What happens to a woman who is slapped for not cutting off the tails of shrimp on her husband's table? (The Book: Confessions of a Video Vixens by Karrine Steffans) You want women to tolerate being treated anyhow by men who believe that they own women? When things go wrong in a marriage why blame it on the women?
Do you know what really gets to me? I read a story about a rapist who claimed it was the girl's fault that he raped her and he actually was let off after 6 months. He took that girl's virginity, pride, self-esteem and security. Apparently, it's her fault for wearing jeans and T-shirts. It's her fault for putting on lip gloss because it taunts men and he couldnt "control" the ravaging beast inside of him so he just had to rape the girl.
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