Do You Believe In Fate?

you give me something to think about......do you speak here for yourself or is it a general statement?

It is not an assumption that God is omniscient, because he tells the end from the beginning and he declares to us what will happen in the end of times...........if perhaps a God might exist, have you cared to search to know this even as you have done diligently the work of science? if you would discard the bible, perhaps have you sought other means to find this God if he so exists?

fair statement on the surface, but not enough to justify your unbelief in God..........i pray you find what you need.

Let God bring u d evidence u so badly need.
Like every researcher u must do it yourself!
If u have the same determination to discover it, as u affirm your view,
you'll get d evidence by yourself? It's one-on-one!
Sing HU today 4 20minutes at bedtime.
Goodluck 4 d courage to meet your evidence!

Your brief story is a true gift of love; which means any gift from life to you which you pass on to another!
Let me also share my own true story:
At twenty, I got so disappointed with the concept of God in my Catholic Church that I changed its order of worship and re-wrote its prayers to suit me. For example, the Lord's Prayer, I had noticed that few if anyone forgave others as easily as the prayer assumed. Not to mention that so few other christians used that right-way-to-pray anymore. 5years after in March 1980, I came into my office at a university hospital and on my desk was a bookmark from my new religion, it introduced the concept of dreams as a one-on-one contact time with the Holy Spirit. and how to Sing HU to meet this Life Force. In my heart and in my head I was already ready for a change, but I had been willing to wait for it to happen. I knew no other member of my religion in that city at the time. The rest is history.
Please accept my sympathy for your very strong feelings, but I can assure you that it's a first step to realizing that you are the Image & Likeness of God yourself.

@ nferyn, I refer to yr conclusion!
I'D like to infer instead that it urges us to understand the goal of religion, beginning from the known.
What is the goal of religion? Should it be one that no one wishes to achieve?
Should death be a burden of fear or, like Saint Paul, can each of us also die daily?
I bet we may agree that every goal is one which will inspire even compel effort in particular direction.
So let me say that life is like a school of God, and the goal of religion is to train each and every child of God to be like God through direct and regular contact and curriculum. And not a one-off thing, to mention visible evidence of those who have achieved this goal already, plus the rest who are at varying stages learning and growing to reach it here and now. That is an evidence, I believe, you need now.
If you will, let me post-mail u a present, a book titled: [b][/b][i][/i]Those Wonderful ECK Masters, by Harold Klemp. It's an insight into hundreds and thousands of guardian angels, people like u & me, who have seen God and become godlike, living all around to teach the rest.

Actually, there are many scientists that do believe in God, ask our friend chrisd. Both are not mutually exclusive, but it does mean that their beliefs cannot be of the literalist fire-and-brimstone kind. If you are open, tolerant and look for meaning and context rather than obedience and blind faith, both can certainly co-exist.

Thanks 4 d observation, nicetohave!
But please let me explain how fate and destiny are not different. Both are popular names for one of the four parts of a natural law which keep life moving. This rule of doer beware is called: cause & effect, or retributive justice, or what u sow u reap, or Karma.
When u are born - your skin color, parents, sex, tribe, appearance, family members and circumstances, interests including talent, relationships - these are determined by the accounting balancesheet of how u lived the pastlives. This is what fate you bring into a new life, and as you grow up into these conditions, you like some and you don't like some, but its your life. Your talents and interests are tools of your freewill to accept or not to accept the ones you do not like. It is how you can change your destiny or what fate-karma prescribes for you.
On a daily basis however, each day you face choices and take action, manage your thoughts and feelings and words. The karma in each case credits or debits u accordingly. This is daily-karma in your accounting ledger.
Depending on how u use your freewill, at the end of each life, there are surplusses where you sowed good and bad that you didn't payback. There are debits, eg. grave offences such as murder, and credits, eg. gracious gifts of love and service, which you have not settled through payback or receipts from those involved.
There are some whose settlement would require drastic changes in fortune and so need to be administered to you at a pace to recreate the exact same circumstances under which you did them to others. These issues are reserved in a ledger until circumstances are right; such as a sudden lottery win and sudden death/accident/incapacity. This is reserve-karma.
The balancesheet places the normal day-to-day debits and credits, at each end of life into the fate-karma for the next incarnation. Such that when you meet someone even for the first time, you can feel such love or hate without knowing where it came from because you have both met before.

There are two problems in the co-existence of science and religion. It's not that they cannot exist together, but the relationship between the two beliefs will be problematic at least in some respects. Both problems try to limit the scope of science in one way or another. The core concept of any religion is faith, the belief in something without evidence, a belief that rests on prior acceptance of the basic premises of that religion.

1. The treatment of the religious source material (texts and tradition). You can read that material in two distinct ways. Either you take them at face value and consider them as a literal source of your religious conviction (e.g. the Bible is the literal word of God and all that is said in the Bible is correct), or you consider that material in an allegorical way, where you need to put it into context to understand the deeper meaning or message of that material. If you follow the first approach (like many protestant, fundamentalist churches do), you immediately come into conflict with science, because it is in direct contradiction with these texts. Some elaborate apologetic attempts have been tried to reason away those differences, but they always fail. Only people that don't have a clue about what science is about could be convinced by these arguments. Either that or they deliberately ignore the scientific findings.

2. There is an epistemological (source of knowledge) problem with bringing together faith and science. The application of reason in the real world requires a rational treatment of the available evidence in the natural world. By having faith in the principles of a religion, you accept these premises on authority. You remove them from rational scrutiny. In effect, you put a wall between those beliefs on faith and what reason can bring you to.
In effect, you limit the scope rationality. You are saying that rational thought cannot investigate these premises. This leads to the famous God-of-the -Gaps, a God that exists only there where science does not have the answers yet. Mind you, by taking that position, you are behaving irrational. This is exactly what many Christian scientists do and in most cases it doesn't cause any problems because their field of expertise does not overlap the domain of their God belief.

You need to define necessity here. You positions can mean a lot of things.

There was very little else to do in that time but believe. In face of the existence evidence at that time, it was a reasonable position to take. Most leading scientists nowadays are atheist or deists. There are very few theist scientists. This is only natural, as our knowledge increases, the gaps the God-of-the-gaps can hide in are getting smaller and smaller.

Depends on where u think your own beleive comes in.



You just dealt with the necessity question. "Science can and will tell u how but it does not deal with the why question".

FATE,DESTINY OR WHAT NOT, all i know is that whatever will be will be and whatever has been was meant to be.

There is nothing like Fate when the situation goes bacd, God never wants his children to experience tough times, Remember the lord says he wil no let us go through what he longs we cannot handle,  Lets just say bad things happen because we are at the wrong place at the wrong time, DONT BLAME God