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henrijin
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ishmael.u are my kind of person jo.who does this tithe go to?the pastors or God?does it go to God for him to buy a hummer in heaven?this so-called xtians are deceiving themselves.imagine a man with a wife,4 children,rent to pay and other obligations and he earns #5000.u xpect him to pay 5%(500) out of that.no way!ismael,we should give to those who are in need when we have what to give.
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olrotimi (m)
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better dont be deceived, God cant be mocked, read your malachi chap 3 very very well.you could still give to the needy but omo, pay your tithe oh!
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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this so-called xtians are deceiving themselves.imagine a man with a wife,4 children,rent to pay and other obligations and he earns #5000.u xpect him to pay 5%(500) out of that.no way!ismael,we should give to those who are in need when we have what to give. Lol. . . if the reasons you enunciated make any sense for not tithing, does it make any sense to "give" anything at all out of the same N5,000 that you're grudging against?  2 Corinthians 8:12 - "For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not." |
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henrijin
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u only give when u have something to give. would u have nothing and give something?
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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u only give when u have something to give. would u have nothing and give something?
Lol. . . did you not "explain" that the hypothetical family-man had N5,000? And for all that you were disenchanted with him giving anything: u xpect him to pay 5%(500) out of that.no way! Person wey no get heart to experience God's power in the supernatural will miss out. Even if such a person has N15,000 and he is not willing to give, nothing go drop from his hand! |
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Fileki (f)
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u could check page 2 on religion that says '' paying tithes to widows and orphans.
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Kobojunkie
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u could check page 2 on religion that says '' paying tithes to widows and orphans.
Page 2 or what ?? There is wisdom and there is reason. The Christian Religion has never been based on man's reasoning but God's word and man's faith in his word. Giving to the poor is good but disobeying God because based on reasoning, we feel that it is the best route has never really paid anyone. For those who believe God does exist, and he is not just a figment of your imagination. The Question should be why you believe that going against his word will be better if He is really who you believe He is. If Jesus himself who is the one Christians are to follow, knew to pay his tithes to the temple which he considered corrupt, Why is it a bigger deal for you??? |
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Reverend (m)
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If you are to believe the book of fairy stories they call the holee bible, then you will know that Jesus supposedly went into a temple a overturned the tables of the merchants there and told them to get out of his daddies house Seems a bit of a contradiction that he would later pay monies to to same institution? Oh Well, that is what religion is all about - MONEY< MONEY AND MORE MONEY  |
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Kobojunkie
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If you are to believe the book of fairy stories they call the holee bible, then you will know that Jesus supposedly went into a temple a overturned the tables of the merchants there and told them to get out of his daddies house Seems a bit of a contradiction that he would later pay monies to to same institution? Oh Well, that is what religion is all about - MONEY< MONEY AND MORE MONEY The Topic is apparently for those who believe in the bible I guess. What has Jesus overturning the tables of MERCHANTS in the temple to do with paying tithes?? Well, I do not expect any answer but thought you could think about that for a bit. There is nothing EVIL about money in Christianity. It is, just like food, land and other resources gifts from God. Possible to use each wisely or for evil. That is just what it is. |
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Reverend (m)
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A tithe (from Old English teogoþa "tenth") is a one-tenth part of something, paid as a (usually) voluntary contribution or as a tax or levy, usually to support a Jewish or Christian religious organization. To support a religious organisation and as you see not neccesarily to help the poor at all Tax or Levy is the key word here The merchants in the story were supposedly paying tax and levies for the use of the church to the priests |
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Kobojunkie
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So according to your post there, the tithe should be seen in the same light as one would rent paid by a shop owner to his landlord?? |
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Kobojunkie
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Matthew 23 vs 23, King James, Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Matthew 23 vs 23, New International Version , 23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
Matthew 23 vs 23, The Message, 23-24"You're hopeless, you religion scholars and Pharisees! Frauds! You keep meticulous account books, tithing on every nickel and dime you get, but on the meat of God's Law, things like fairness and compassion and commitment—the absolute basics!—you carelessly take it or leave it. Careful bookkeeping is commendable, but the basics are required. Do you have any idea how silly you look, writing a life story that's wrong from start to finish, nitpicking over commas and semicolons?
Matthew 23 vs 23, Contemporary English Version, 23You Pharisees and teachers are show-offs, and you're in for trouble! You give God a tenth of the spices from your garden, such as mint, dill, and cumin. Yet you neglect the more important matters of the Law, such as justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the important things you should have done, though you should not have left the others undone either.
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@tomX (m)
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Paying of tithe in the scriptural essence is about the same as giving to the needy.
The book of deuteronomy (deut 14:22-29 and deut 26:12 & 13) list those who should benefit from the tithe as
1) the levites - They have no inheritance with the rest of Israel ecxept land to build their homestead. They thus didn't have farms or graze land for sheep and cattle and such like
2) The widows - women generaly weren't supposed to inherit land and property. They were either married back to their late husbands brother (in which case they are no more widows) or if they are rejected (tough luck).
3) The "Fatherless" - This will not be orphans. More like bastards. Children born to Israeli mothers without a man laying claim to the pregnancy. The mothers will be put to death anyway and since the childs father is unknown he cannot inherit any land. A child of the state. A welfare case.
4) Strangers within the gates - Probably refugees from other cities either sacked by war or famine or such. Poor and un-eligible to own land within Israel.
The tithe was basicaly a means of welfare for the needy and sustenance for the priests. Though the priest benefitted more since they get tithes every year as opposed to the "others" who only partake of the tithes once in 3 years on the year of tithing (deut 14: 26-29).
Sure other provisions were made for the "others" in form of alms, gleaning of fields etc.
Malachi's call for a restoration of the tithes of Isreal should not be taken as a call that the tithe is meant for priest alone. His emphasis was on the preist because he was pointing out the reason why the preist had to forsake their preiestly duties in order to eke a living ffrom the land, to the detriment of the spiritual well being of the nation. Restoration of the tithes would be a sure remedy. He did not pronounce any new laws however. He refered to the same Mosaic laws as stated in Deuteronomy.
The welfare of the needy is very important to God (deut 15:8-11). So witholding your tithe is robbing God. And God also said he who gives to the poor Lends unto God (Proverbs 19:17).
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dafidixone (m)
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Paying of tithe in the scriptural essence is about the same as giving to the needy.
The book of deuteronomy (deut 14:22-29 and deut 26:12 & 13) list those who should benefit from the tithe as
1) the levites - They have no inheritance with the rest of Israel ecxept land to build their homestead. They thus didn't have farms or graze land for sheep and cattle and such like
2) The widows - women generaly weren't supposed to inherit land and property. They were either married back to their late husbands brother (in which case they are no more widows) or if they are rejected (tough luck).
3) The "Fatherless" - This will not be orphans. More like bastards. Children born to Israeli mothers without a man laying claim to the pregnancy. The mothers will be put to death anyway and since the childs father is unknown he cannot inherit any land. A child of the state. A welfare case.
4) Strangers within the gates - Probably refugees from other cities either sacked by war or famine or such. Poor and un-eligible to own land within Israel.
The tithe was basicaly a means of welfare for the needy and sustenance for the priests. Though the priest benefitted more since they get tithes every year as opposed to the "others" who only partake of the tithes once in 3 years on the year of tithing (deut 14: 26-29).
Sure other provisions were made for the "others" in form of alms, gleaning of fields etc.
Malachi's call for a restoration of the tithes of Isreal should not be taken as a call that the tithe is meant for priest alone. His emphasis was on the preist because he was pointing out the reason why the preist had to forsake their preiestly duties in order to eke a living ffrom the land, to the detriment of the spiritual well being of the nation. Restoration of the tithes would be a sure remedy. He did not pronounce any new laws however. He refered to the same Mosaic laws as stated in Deuteronomy.
The welfare of the needy is very important to God (deut 15:8-11). So witholding your tithe is robbing God. And God also said he who gives to the poor Lends unto God (Proverbs 19:17). Please I will encourage you to read the verses carefully. Tithe is only meant for the Levites. Sharing the Promised Land and other Possession is where God commanded what should be giving to the Levites. This is not sharing formular for the tithe. Tithe is different form giving to the needy. |
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akinalabi (m)
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Tithing is not compulsory. It's a cheap shot to
make money by the churches.
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@tomX (m)
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Please I will encourage you to read the verses carefully. Tithe is only meant for the Levites. Sharing the Promised Land and other Possession is where God commanded what should be giving to the Levites. This is not sharing formular for the tithe. Tithe is different form giving to the needy.
Well, from what I see in the scriptures, Christians should indeed pay tithe. But how are we to pay our tithe and who has authority to disburse the tithe? lets consider the following scriptures: Deutoronomy 14:22-29 Deutoronomy 26:12-13 1) The tithe was of two types. There is the regular tithe and there was the tithe paid on the third year (the year of tithe) - see Deuteronomy 26:12 Deu 26:12 When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled. . . .
thus the tithes of the first two years were different from the tithes of the third year. 2) In the first two years, after the tithes had been blessed, the tither disburses the tithes amongst Himself and his family and the levites. - see Deuteronomy 14:26-27 Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever, thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
Deu 14:27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
3) In the third year (the year of tithing) the tither disburses the tithe amongst the levites, the widows, the strangers and the fatherless (neither the tither nor his family will partake of it). - see Deuteronomy 14: 28-29 and Dueteronomy 26:12-13 Deu 14:28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
Deu 14:29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.
Deu 26:12 When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;
Deu 26:13 Then thou shalt say before the LORD thy God, I have brought away the hallowed things out of mine house, and also have given them unto the Levite, and unto the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all thy commandments which thou hast commanded me: I have not transgressed thy commandments, neither have I forgotten them:
these verses clearly show who should benefit from our tithes and when. It is also clear that the tither is responsible for the disbursement of his tithe. So I don't think the attitude of just giving all your tithe to someone and saying you are not concerned with what is done with it is the right one. |
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duabba
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Children of the Most High, this thread no be small suntin o!
My humble view; Apostle Paul admonished everyone (pastors inclusive) to work for their needs (food) so that no-one would be a burden to the other. In the new testament era, everyone should work, therefore, tithing can't be said to be compulsory. We are all advised to care for the needy, which I perceive to be a cardinal point for the Christian faith as what use would be paying your tithes when people around you suffer and are in need. One fact I have come to accept in this era of the multiplicity of churches is that churches should be a place where the word of God is shared (not dictated). We have promoted people to the level of mortal 'gods' that people hardly read their Bibles but believe whatever the pastor reels out. The word says the spirit of God would minister and teach us accordingly. Shouldn't Christianity be a personal experience?
The body of Christ is not the buildings, speakers, chairs etc that we have come to accept as 'the church'. We should see christianity as a faith not religion, for we are saved by faith not by righteous works. The way I see it, most people tithe because of what they would gain spiritually (selfish) while others give to the needy based on the love and concern within their hearts (selfless), which is the foundation of christianity. BOTTOMLINE: Whether it's tithe-based giving or mercy-based giving, it is the intention and faith behind it that matters.
GBAM!
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paulipopo (m)
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Children of the Most High, this thread no be small suntin o!
My humble view; Apostle Paul admonished everyone (pastors inclusive) to work for their needs (food) so that no-one would be a burden to the other. In the new testament era, everyone should work, therefore, tithing can't be said to be compulsory. We are all advised to care for the needy, which I perceive to be a cardinal point for the Christian faith as what use would be paying your tithes when people around you suffer and are in need. One fact I have come to accept in this era of the multiplicity of churches is that churches should be a place where the word of God is shared (not dictated). We have promoted people to the level of mortal 'gods' that people hardly read their Bibles but believe whatever the pastor reels out. The word says the spirit of God would minister and teach us accordingly. Shouldn't Christianity be a personal experience?
The body of Christ is not the buildings, speakers, chairs etc that we have come to accept as 'the church'. We should see christianity as a faith not religion, for we are saved by faith not by righteous works. The way I see it, most people tithe because of what they would gain spiritually (selfish) while others give to the needy based on the love and concern within their hearts (selfless), which is the foundation of christianity. BOTTOMLINE: Whether it's tithe-based giving or mercy-based giving, it is the intention and faith behind it that matters.
GBAM!
You are very correct with your submission. Tithing is historically and scripturally non-christian. |
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sarmy (m)
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The body of Christ is not the buildings, speakers, chairs etc that we have come to accept as 'the church'. We should see christianity as a faith not religion, for we are saved by faith not by righteous works. The way I see it, most people tithe because of what they would gain spiritually (selfish) while others give to the needy based on the love and concern within their hearts (selfless), which is the foundation of christianity. BOTTOMLINE: Whether it's tithe-based giving or mercy-based giving, it is the intention and faith behind it that matters.
GBAM!
True talk. Some are giving because they have been told, windows of heaven will open and not that they really love God or fellow men Some Christians will even dupe another Christian brother, evade tax and still pay tithe "rob man & pay God" Self-centredness. Motive / intention crucial in giving. |
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chukwudi44
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pls those talking about tithe read he book of hebrew chapters 7 n 8.move to 1thesolanians 2:6-9,2nd thes 3;7-9.there u will find out that st paul was working for his own feeding and never relied on anyone .
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disease (m)
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Paying tithe or giving to the needy
I do both. HOLLA!
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