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prettyH (f)
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That's how you became a christian prettyh? By the education of fear. That's why I see so much money blowing bastards as requirement to become pastor in England.
Where are you coming from and where are to headed to? |
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idiot-boop (f)
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@nferyn
You are always very quick to jump down the throats of those who have a religious angle to a post and although i respect that you maybe athetist and have your view, others too have theirs and you are not always right. It is left for people to decide how they want to tackle their problem. I find you at best of time really offensive and i choose to speak now after a long time of watchining you bully with words other's views especially when there is a religious or moral angle to it.
I would also like to know if you are nigerian. not that i am saying you can't engage in discuss if you are not, it's just to satisfy my curiousity. By all means disagree if you must with any religious view, like you its a part of people's lifestyle and as expected would most likely influence one's opinion,just like your beliefs do yours. All i am saying is you can not dismiss another's view outright because you seem to think your belief is above all others.
On the subject at hand i will without fear of opposition state from a ''christian'' stand point say that masturbation is wrong at all levels, those who want to disagree are free to. I will not compromise my faith for the sake of getting along with the majority. According to the rules in my bible, the book i use to live my life according to the laws set out by my God, i do not engage in masturbation and to those who agree or believe too, i say keep living by the laws. It may not be for you or a million others but i stand by this and see no other way for ''me''.
P.s
Dont shoot the messenger
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pearldrops (f)
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lost for words
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nferyn (m)
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@nferyn
You are always very quick to jump down the throats of those who have a religious angle to a post and although i respect that you maybe athetist and have your view, others too have theirs and you are not always right. It is left for people to decide how they want to tackle their problem. I find you at best of time really offensive and i choose to speak now after a long time of watchining you bully with words other's views especially when there is a religious or moral angle to it.
I don't jump to anyone's throat. I debate. I discuss. This is a discussion forum, isn't it? You really must have a weak position if you think I'm bullying anyone for not agreeing with their point of view. Give me a post where I bullied someone. If I unintentionally did such a thing, I appologise, but I'm affraid that it's rather you that is suffering from a persecution complex I would also like to know if you are nigerian. not that i am saying you can't engage in discuss if you are not, it's just to satisfy my curiousity.
No I'm not. If you would have looked at my profile, you would have noticed. My wife's both Nigerian and Christian. You see that I can have good personal relationships with Christians. It all depends on how open you are for other people's point of view. The problem is that many Christians - and maybe you're one of them - think that the moment somebody clearly voices another opinion they think they're out to get them. By all means disagree if you must with any religious view, like you its a part of people's lifestyle and as expected would most likely influence one's opinion,just like your beliefs do yours. All i am saying is you can not dismiss another's view outright because you seem to think your belief is above all others.
The only thing I want is that religious peope shouldn't assume that their point of view is not self-evident and that they should realise that forcing their morality on others - especially if that morality does not have any other sources but their religion - is not an appropriate attitude. On the subject at hand i will without fear of opposition state from a ''christian'' stand point say that masturbation is wrong at all levels, those who want to disagree are free to. I will not compromise my faith for the sake of getting along with the majority. According to the rules in my bible, the book i use to live my life according to the laws set out by my God, i do not engage in masturbation and to those who agree or believe too, i say keep living by the laws. It may not be for you or a million others but i stand by this and see no other way for ''me''.
P.s
Dont shoot the messenger
I must say that that position is not even universal among Christians, but you are entitled to that opnion. But please be aware that your faith in what (you think are) the rules of the Bible (your version that is) is in many cases not based on anything else. As long as you're aware of that, all is fine. To sum things up, I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with people living by what they consider the right moral code of conduct. I draw a line where that code is presented as universal or when it's being imposed on others that do not share their particular faith. |
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rhino
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thank God o the good thing is that i am 18 and i always enjoy perfect sex but i don't know how to masturbate.praise God ooooo .
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Seun (m)
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You "enjoy" sex but you are thanking God you don't masturbate. Isn't fornication a sin?
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pearldrops (f)
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Ask him
he's even 18
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idiot-boop (f)
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@nferyn All i Have to say is i find your views offensive and and i will avoid all you stand for cause i feel i have no futher need to reply to any more of your jaundiced views and beliefs(my opinion)  I can quite frankly say i have been put off by your propaganda against people of faith. In relation to your pic i couldnt give a monkiies if you were black blue , green or pink .The reason i asked is you made an error of judgement about somebody here who said they were muslim and you disputed it because according to you their name suggested they were from the Ijaw tribe and so could not be a muslim. If you were so clued up you would know that lots of people are from the islamic faith including that area because i have relatives who are from the delta area and are moslems. My point is the fact that you are married to a Nigerian does not mean you have complete knowledge of the people , I can not even boast of that fact. It just showed your attitide of your own self importance. I like you am married to a white welsh man and can not say i know the people inside out or attempt to argue their beliefs with them. I am glad to hear you have such a fantastic life , don't assume i don't too love! You come across as terribly insulting without fully understanding people's back ground, where they have been, seen and done all in the name of debate,by all means debate but don't patronise any one and sweetie i suffer no complexes as you say , again you don't know my background to make such statements. We live in different worlds.That don't make mine better or yours better. I think you should get off your high horse and eat some humble pie now and again, no man is above correction . All i wanted to express was that your beliefs are not superior to other's simple. |
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nferyn (m)
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I can quite frankly say i have been put off by your propaganda against people of faith.
That's the first time I hear my views being described as propaganda. I freely express my views and have absolutely nothing against people of faith, as long as they are not preventing others from living their life as they see fit and don't impose their morality on others, that's where I draw the line. If you consider questioning and scrutiny to be offensive, than I'm sorry for you. It is not meant to offend but to engage in an open debate. I have absolutely no problem with people questioning my beliefs, no problem whatsoever. In relation to your pic i couldnt give a monkiies if you were black blue , green or pink .
Your choice of words is telling here  The reason i asked is you made an error of judgement about somebody here who said they were muslim and you disputed it because according to you their name suggested they were from the Ijaw tribe and so could not be a muslim. If you were so clued up you would know that lots of people are from the islamic faith including that area because i have relatives who are from the delta area and are moslems.
I have said no such thing. You must have attributed somebody else's contribution to me. If I don't have sufficient knowledge about something, I ask or just shut up. You are referring to somebody else, as I would never make such a statement. If you would have read my postings (and I honestly don't blame you if you haven't, as you are quite new on the forum), you would have noticed that in several occasions, I came to the defense of Muslims. My point is the fact that you are married to a Nigerian does not mean you have complete knowledge of the people , I can not even boast of that fact. It just showed your attitide of your own self importance. I like you am married to a white welsh man and can not say i know the people inside out or attempt to argue their beliefs with them. I am glad to hear you have such a fantastic life , don't assume i don't too love!
You should check out that fact, because I have made no such claim and I never would make such a claim. Please don't think that I have anything against you or that I think that you are a bad person. Really, I would never say such a thing about somebody I haven't had extensive personal dealings with, so please don't feel threatened by my words, they are not personal in the least. You come across as terribly insulting without fully understanding people's back ground, where they have been, seen and done all in the name of debate,by all means debate but don't patronise any one and sweetie i suffer no complexes as you say , again you don't know my background to make such statements. We live in different worlds.That don't make mine better or yours better.
Tell me where I am insulting, because that's not my intention. If you tell me, I can correct myself. I did not say you suffered from a persecution complex, I just wondered if you were one of these people. Anyway, I understand your point, but please try to read what I wrote, not what you think I mean. I think you should get off your high horse and eat some humble pie now and again, no man is above correction . All i wanted to express was that your beliefs are not superior to other's simple.
Please, I urge you to correct me where I'm wrong, I'm fully aware that I'm fallible. Only through honest, open discussion and conversation can we recongise our own weaknesses. Even though I consider my beliefs superior to many expressed here, that does not mean that I find myself superior, not at all. I speak strongly on subjects I have some knowledge about, you won't hear me discuss subjects I know nothing about. Do realise that I have nothing against you. All the best in your marriage. |
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allonym
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I have said no such thing. You must have attributed somebody else's contribution to me. If I don't have sufficient knowledge about something, I ask or just shut up. You are referring to somebody else, as I would never make such a statement. If you would have read my postings (and I honestly don't blame you if you haven't, as you are quite new on the forum), you would have noticed that in several occasions, I came to the defense of Muslims.
This is what bettyboop was talking about: His post: http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-6236.32.html#msg202843Your response: http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-6236.32.html#msg202843So, she has either misunderstood or missummarized what occurred, though you're response (in the cartoon thread) doesn't make you entirely innocent either nferyn. |
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nferyn (m)
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@ allonym
I really don't understand why you say that I'm not entirely innocent here. I have not picked on Islam specifically and have come to it's defense against baseless allegations in the past. Does that mean that I should defend Islam, where I think it is wrong?
Point is, I said precisely the opposite of what bettyboop attributed to me.
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allonym
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What I was talking about has nothing to do with defending Islam.
Your response to charlisco seemed to indicate you did not think it was possible that charlisco's assumption as to whether a certain person was muslim or not was incorrect.
At least, that was what I was responding to.
Upon further reading of the post, charlisco's declaration was not an assumption but (for his point of view) a statement of fact, so now I withdraw my slight defense of him and restore your innocence.
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Rhodalyn (f)
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masturbation in children aint a sin they just do it 2 satisfy their sexual desires
let da children be isnt it beta 4 them to masturbate than 2 do da actual tin?
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pearldrops (f)
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mastubation or no mastubation in what ever way it is done it all leads to sin
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allonym
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really. .
so if a man and his wife are masturbating togetherthey will sin?
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michelin89 (f)
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masturbation: stimulating sexual organs to receive pleasure.
what is the difference between when you do it yourself and someone does it for you?
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pearldrops (f)
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sure u're right
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retro (f)
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For your information masturbation is healthy.
As for pornography, i'm not sure yet.
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2cantango (f)
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*rolls eyes* whatever
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AbujaBoy (m)
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hahahahahaha, this is hilarious, how did you find out that kids masturbate? Besides, whats it to you if they do anyway, you really shouldn't poke your head inside your next door's garden.
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2cantango (f)
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Besides, whats it to you if they do anyway, you really shouldn't poke your head inside your next door's garden.
who u talkin' to? |
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Labelle (f)
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@papermoon
man you talk a whole load of jibberish!!!
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Shannon (f)
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I've spent over 3 years working in daycares here in the US. as well as having studied education for the last 4 years. In all of the instances that I have been aware of it is actually quite normal for children as young as 2 1/2 - 4 years to "masturbate" without really knowing what they are doing. Young toddlers are just discovering all the parts of themselves and exploration is normal. Most do not masturbate in the sense that people think of, they simply rub blankets against themselves or rock back and forth on the floor in order to stimulate that area. Many find it comforting without actually receiving sexual pleasure from it. Stigmatizing that behavior by telling them it is bad can actually cause problems for them later on. It is better to explain that it is inappropriate behavior in public areas. While working in daycare we were actually instructed to NOT tell children that it was bad. Children would however have to wash their hands if they touched themselves. Overall in children that young it is something they will grow out of and I haven't met a kid yet that actually remembered that they used to do that.
As for older children I think that it is important to stress that it's not ok for someone to touch them in any private areas and absolutely NO CHILD should be exposed to pornography. It will most assuredly corrupt their ideals in a very quick fashion. Whether they are a teenager or not, it's just opening the door to addiction and false ideas about what relationships should be about. As for the idea of boarding schools, I honestly don't know because I grew up in the US where boarding schools are only for the extremely wealthy, which I don't qualify as.
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AbujaBoy (m)
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You own, Shannon.
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nawah (f)
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Many children mastrubate, some start much earlier and some later. Well I tell my kids, it belongs to you an no one else can touch it. I do not stop my kids from masturbating not directly but when t gets too quiet I knock on the door or try to get them occupied . I do not particularly like the idea but i will not forbid it. I too grew up with a very strict father and as kids we used to play house etc. My father would have killed me if he found out. We had a nanny then who used to take care of us. Whenever she caught me doing something I was not supposed to she would threaten to tell my dad, because I was so scared of being beaten, i would beg her not to sometimes she would draw it out for days, building up the fear in me. Then she would blackmail me into doing what she wants- and guess what that was? The first time she penetrated me with her finger the pain was unbearable AD I bled  , I was about 11. When I first took my WAEC with 15 my grades where terrible, so my parents arranged extra lessons for me with this lecturer and I used to have to go to his office on Campus. All the man was interested in was s, So he would complain to my mom that I came late, did not listen and did not do the assignments and my father would get really mad and lash pt at me. I begged him to stop because I was getting so much trouble but that was a mistake, so once more I found myself giving in out of fear. I would never forget those lessons - me leaning across the table while that old man violated me from the back , closing my mouth tight to prevent my screams. |
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VOR (m)
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Nawah
Your post really pulled at my heart strings.
I sincerely hope you have been able to overcome whatever suffering
you must have gone through.
I hate child abusers with a passion.
God bless you.
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2cantango (f)
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@nawah: I admire your strength to openly discuss the abuse you endured. I pray that you have become a survivor and not remained a victim. . . you know what I mean? I am so sorry for what you went through, trust that I know exactly how you felt. I have my own stories that begin at the young age of 9. God bless you nawah. . . be strong  |
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Seun (m)
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Yes, she is also deviating from the topic which is masturbation. I wish she would post her stories under the appropriate topics.  |
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nawah (f)
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Sorry seun it happens sometimes. What I was really trying to point out is that, children are sometimes exposed to such terrible things not only in boarding school.
And secondly it is very important not to instill fear in a child, so much so that it no longer confides in one.
So back to the topic.
I used to mastrubate and play house as a kid. You know those silly games that kids play. They are not silly really but all part of development.
Many girls in Nigeria have never had an orgasm because we are brought up believing that sex, masturbation is evil etc. But sex is one of the most wonderful things in the world when done the right way.
Anyway I still cannot understand now why my parents reacted so madly. I think that masturbation even makes a lady less promiscuous. Lets put it this way I would never come on the idea of cheating on my husband while he is away because no matter how hot I get i still have my fantasy and do- it -yourself kit.
And just imagine a marriage where the sexual feelings are dying , rather than going to meet your spouse all cold, one can warm up a bit privately or in front of the spouse.
2cantango it is important to open up about these things because you know the worse part about being abused is thinking you deserve it and it does not happen to others.
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chinani (f)
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@ Shannon
I just wanted to co-sign your post.
I learned the same thing in my psych classes. Also, children don't masturbate in the conventional sense b/c they do no ejaculate. The act is not sexual for them as Shannon mentioned. Young boys can also get erections when excited by the world not in a sexual sense. For instance, my psych prof told this story: She was at a her girlfriend's house (a Bio prof). The lady woke her toddler up from his nap, changed his diaper and bathed him. It was a warm day (it's TX) and so she let the boy go onto their deck naked. He ran around for awhile. Then the lady sat in her chair and picked the boy up to nurse him. The boy got an erection and held onto it. The lady/mother was like "That happens from time to time." The erection was a response to excitement and happiness not sexual stimulation. It went away when he was done nursing and life went on.
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abeleon (m)
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yeah, i kind of agree with this point of view. many of them don't even know what they're doing, but for as many as know, they should be discouraged from doing it (wanking), and definitely, to any age, porn is not good! it just corrupts. i can still rem some movies i saw way back.
as linkin' park said, it never goes away, please, let's keep our kids safe. so they don't become sex addicts at 13,14,15,, and with your knowledge!-like rod stewart's daughter,
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