Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield

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Razorr (f)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #32 on: March 30, 2007, 08:31 AM »

Quote from: kitaun on March 29, 2007, 05:37 PM
Big name na hin dey kill England u know?

make Lamps siddon for bench make beta players play jare 8)a9gt

even Terry sef needs to rest his arse, Carragher is always a big game player Cool

Kit, it's obvious that you're talking from a biased point of view. How can you say Terry should sit on the bench? Shocked Na wa o! Do you hate Chelsea this much?  Grin   Grin

Quote from: LoverBwoy on March 29, 2007, 06:17 PM
the media and FA are probably the only difference, the English media will hype and dump you! the Nigerian media  Undecided they just talk talk and talk

Spot On!
bolaoni (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #33 on: March 30, 2007, 09:03 AM »

@razoor,

This is not about being biased based on the club you support  Cool

The truth is that Lamps and Gerry CAN NOT fit together in that team.
I have always wondered what Lamps is doing in the first team. Anyday
anytime, Gerrard should be the FIRST choice. This was a major problem
at the world cup.

Lampard id good, but not the BEST for England in that position.

@kit, Carragher is unfortunate to be playing in the same position as Terry
and Rio, but it is the coach's job to experiment and see the perfect combination.
I still remember with so much relish how Jamie stood between Barca and victory.
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Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #34 on: March 30, 2007, 12:10 PM »

with Hargareaves as a standing defensive midfielder who does the dirty job like the likes of Gilberto, Mac4, Alonso, etc,  Gerrard will be a better playmaker for the English team.

if i would have to use lampard at all ooooo, i'll play him as a supporting striker (i'll think he'll fit in),  cos he provides and scores goals when close to the goal area, or maybe I'll play him as a substitute to Gerrard.

betterstill a 4-5-1, or 4-3-3 formation might encourage lampard's place in the english national team with a brainy coach
Abdblues (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #35 on: March 30, 2007, 01:06 PM »

I think it is wrong to say outrightly that they cannot play together. Any good,technically sound/creative coach will be happy to have them both in a single team. Unfortunately, England doesnt have a good coach now neither have they had one in a long long time.
Razorr (f)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #36 on: March 30, 2007, 01:57 PM »

Quote from: Abdblues on March 30, 2007, 01:06 PM
I think it is wrong to say outrightly that they cannot play together. Any good,technically sound/creative coach will be happy to have them both in a single team. Unfortunately, England doesnt have a good coach now neither have they had one in a long long time.

Spot on! Their coach has to stop being lazy and start to use his head!  Angry
RuuDie (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #37 on: March 30, 2007, 02:06 PM »

razorr,

4 a female u've got purty' good knowledge of the game & u really 4lw trends closely; impressive. i'm tripped! but u're gettin dis 1 wrong & i think it's 'cos u're a Chelski  fan.

u talked 'bout Drogba, Sheva & communication, right! but dats a whole lot diff. 4rm Lamps, Stevie G. & d English m/f.

like i noted earlier it's not communication probs but a situation whereby we have 2 players who love 2 attack - neither fancies playin in defensive m/f; players who are "elder statesmen" in their respective clubs (who happen 2 be fiercest of rivals in d ligue).

there's a rivalry here, like i noted ego problems - i agree that McClaren is as dumb as u say but it's hardly his fault that dis 2 guys cannot come 2 terms with each other 4 just 90mins+  !

right now, Steve G. plays much better than Lamps & dats why majority are of d opinion dat Lamps shld sit out a couple of games - not dat i ever considered him as a better player anyways Grin
mukina2 (f)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #38 on: March 30, 2007, 02:17 PM »

i don tire for hear about England .

they sometimes have good  players but useless managers .

lampard and Gerrad are two poles apart

for both club and country
bleghhhh . . .

make persin hear word

too many tactics  , too much hype .

see as they are struggling to qualify .
Razorr (f)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #39 on: March 30, 2007, 02:21 PM »

Ruudboi, I never said Lampie was better than Gerry boy o! I admitted than Gerry is better. However, Lampie scores more goals.
But it is the coach's job to instill discipline in his boys. The boys should play however the coach tells them to, otherwise they should both be benched. That's what Mourinho or Fergusson would do. You can't bring your stupid ego issues into the team!

Vieira (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #40 on: March 30, 2007, 02:27 PM »

Murinho or Ferguson will never end up with a central midfield pairing of two attacking midfielders!

They buy players to complement other players.
Razorr (f)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #41 on: March 30, 2007, 02:37 PM »

Oga Vieira, what do Ballack and Lampie do in the Chelsea squad sir? Please educate me o. You know say I no know book!  Undecided
kitaun (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #42 on: March 30, 2007, 09:29 PM »

@RAZORR


Get it straight;

CHELSEA IS SITTING ON A KEG OF GUNPOWDER and am sure you know what that means Grin

so stop yapping about what rubbish Lamps and Ballack play for Chelsea because they both have not been impressive playing together and even Lampard's game has dropped considerably this season Cool

who is Lampard?

Who is being biased about that useless English team? coupled with the foolish hype they are soaked in ehn? Huh

GERRARD IS THE BEST ENGLISH PLAYER, take it or leave it Cool
9ja4eva (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #43 on: March 30, 2007, 09:31 PM »

I respect dt fact too.For me he is the best English player too.
davidylan (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #44 on: March 30, 2007, 09:47 PM »

The major problem with England is everyone expects them to play the type of soccer played by the likes of Germany, Brazil, Italy, France e.t.c.
It is IMPOSSIBLE for England to play that way without a major ball player dictating the midfield.

Germany - Michael Ballack
France - Zinedine Zidane
Italy - Andreas Pirlo
Brazil - Kaka
Portugal - Deco

England does not have a player 1 tenth as good as these guys. Watch Lampard who is supposed to play the role of a creative midfielder, not a single assist! All he does is shoot on sight. He gets the ball and does not seek to play any of the forwards into space, rather he makes a short diagonal pass and then runs into the box! He cannot hold the ball and find his team mates with a defence splitting pass.

Yes he scores so many goals at club level but that is because he has great players like Drogba, Essien, Ballack covering for his numerous mistakes!

Gerard is only nominally better. He is no ball player in the mould of all famous midfield maestros. Running around like a headless chicken and striking great shots from distance are not the hallmarks of great midfielders.
The above players do not score soo many goals (Zidane is not known for scoring!) but take them out of any team and such team will struggle! Take Lampard out of Chelsea and life continues as usual.

whimsical (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #45 on: March 30, 2007, 10:02 PM »

RuuDie (m)!!!!!!!! why must lampard be the one to go,  Both player are good and I beleive they can play together. If morinho can play Lampard, Ballack, Mikel and get a result why can't McClaren do the same? If U insist one should go, it shouldn't be the one with 42 goals in two season for his club should it?
Tornadoz (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #46 on: March 30, 2007, 11:00 PM »

Razorr  knows a lot of football i must admit, but she keep talking of Mourinho as if he's the best coach in the world. Let Mourihno manage a team like Bolton then I would respect him. Even my grandmother would win the premiership if she has the same people at her disposal. Thank God Chelski won't win it this season. Man U will win it this season but next season the cup will be back where it belongs, at Arsene "genius" Wenger's lap.
kalicoco (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #47 on: March 30, 2007, 11:52 PM »

@davidylan
                  i agree wit u totally as regards the creative midfielder missin in d team.both players cant be said 2 b skillful. i tink joe cole can if he can be modelled towards becoming dat kind of player cos he is skillful but not 2 sure 'bout his passes.

@tornadoz
                  mourinho doesn't need your respect cos he has earned it.he managed porto n turned them into champions ,same wit present club n has said he would like to coach a relatively unknown side. it also takes alot of managerial skills to manage a team wit so many acomplished n well paid stars. u can take a cue from real madrid. DONT HATE THE PLAYER, HATE D GAME.   
sage (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #48 on: March 31, 2007, 05:31 PM »

Quote from: davidylan on March 30, 2007, 09:47 PM
The major problem with England is everyone expects them to play the type of soccer played by the likes of Germany, Brazil, Italy, France e.t.c.
It is IMPOSSIBLE for England to play that way without a major ball player dictating the midfield.

Germany - Michael Ballack
France - Zinedine Zidane
Italy - Andreas Pirlo
Brazil - Kaka
Portugal - Deco

England does not have a player 1 tenth as good as these guys. Watch Lampard who is supposed to play the role of a creative midfielder, not a single assist! All he does is shoot on sight. He gets the ball and does not seek to play any of the forwards into space, rather he makes a short diagonal pass and then runs into the box! He cannot hold the ball and find his team mates with a defence splitting pass.

Yes he scores so many goals at club level but that is because he has great players like Drogba, Essien, Ballack covering for his numerous mistakes!

Gerard is only nominally better. He is no ball player in the mould of all famous midfield maestros. Running around like a headless chicken and striking great shots from distance are not the hallmarks of great midfielders.
The above players do not score soo many goals (Zidane is not known for scoring!) but take them out of any team and such team will struggle! Take Lampard out of Chelsea and life continues as usual.



You are right. England does not have a technically gifted player that can lead the team, what we call a MIDFIELD MASTREO. Other major world teams have that. Maybe England should mould Gerrard to take on the playmaker role. He is better than lampard.
9ja4eva (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #49 on: April 01, 2007, 08:48 AM »

The thing though is anyday,anytime i did play Gerrard ahead of Lampard.Anyhow jare na England sabi.
georgies (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #50 on: April 02, 2007, 11:10 AM »

THEY JUST  CANT FIT INTO ONE TEAM.GERRARD IS EXCEPTIONAL WITH OWEN IN MIDFIELD.ENGLAND NEED A COACH THAT WILL LOOK BEYOND BIG NAME TO BIG MATCH PLAYER. CLUB AND INTERNATIONAL DUTIES ARE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GAMES.
osegwu (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #51 on: April 02, 2007, 11:13 AM »

Gunners don they loose their bullets
Vieira (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #52 on: April 02, 2007, 04:56 PM »

Razorr,

Have you not seen the difference in your team from when it was Makelele and Lampard?
9ja4eva (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #53 on: April 02, 2007, 07:08 PM »

Quote from: georgies on April 02, 2007, 11:10 AM
THEY JUST CANT FIT INTO ONE TEAM.GERRARD IS EXCEPTIONAL WITH OWEN IN MIDFIELD.ENGLAND NEED A COACH THAT WILL LOOK BEYOND BIG NAME TO BIG MATCH PLAYER. CLUB AND INTERNATIONAL DUTIES ARE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GAMES.

 Exactly cos d big name players dey kill England now.
ehie007 (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #54 on: April 03, 2007, 09:29 AM »

Gerrard and Lampard cant play together
its either one sits down and the other play.
i will prefer Gerard play with Hargrevves in the midfield.
Gerard is a better team player then Lampard.

Or better still the coach shuld go down on his knees to beg Almighty Scholes to come back.
If scholes is in that team england will go far.

UP MAN UTD
tng (f)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #55 on: April 03, 2007, 10:48 AM »

there's a rivalry here, like i noted ego problems
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Exactly! They can play together its just ego and one trying to outdo the other.I don't think gerrard is better than lamps.At the same time all the clamour for lamps to be dropped is because he is a chelsea player.I pray that he wont play the matches against Russia and Croatia and lets see what the "wonderful"StevieG would do.
@davidylan
Spot on.
whimsical (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #56 on: April 03, 2007, 11:10 AM »

why must lampard be the one to go,  Both player are good and I beleive they can play together. If morinho can play Lampard, Ballack, Mikel and get a result why can't McClaren do the same? If U insist one should go, it shouldn't be the one with 42 goals in two season for his club should it?
RuuDie (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #57 on: April 03, 2007, 12:39 PM »

@ Razorr, whimsical, tng & all Chelski fans

nobody is sayin dis guys can't play 2geda; but it'll be 2 d detriment of d team.
Utd plays 2 like players in the center of their m/f but at times u can see 'em struggle 'cos none of those guys is a natural holdin m/fder in d mould of P. viera, C. makalele or S. gilberto. same 4 d national team of england - S. gerrard & F. lampard are not particularly cut out 4 d defensive job even though we can't really say they are world class attackin m/f's 2, so 1 has 2 make way 4 1 xpecially when there's a far better option in O. Hargreaves on d defensive side.
RuuDie (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #58 on: April 03, 2007, 12:43 PM »

@ whimsical

42 goals or not Lampie is outta sorts at the moment - he's just not in form, so he should rest his butt!
kitaun (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #59 on: April 03, 2007, 02:16 PM »

HAD LAMPARD EVER BEEN IN FORM FOR ENGLAND? Huh
gabe
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #60 on: April 03, 2007, 04:14 PM »

english players play big boy football, like our naija  footballers. lampard and gerrard are not skilled players, they are hard workers,hard work they do for their teams-lampard-20 goals this season! take away the hard work and they are less than mediocre. thats englands problem. a lil bit of seriousness.
9ja4eva (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #61 on: April 04, 2007, 07:03 AM »

I second.
marlet01 (m)
Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #62 on: April 04, 2007, 03:33 PM »

GERRARD LAMPARD

Skill 8 8

Passing 9 9

Leadership 10 8

Shooting 8 10

Tackling 9 7

Defending 8 7

Speed 9 8

As You can see, Gerrard just shades it scoring 61/70 with Lampard achieving 57/70.

In a game of Top trumps, Gerrard would only be ‘Gazumped’ by Lampard in his shooting ability. Off topic slightly, how many other midfielders in Europe would score as consistently high across the board as Gerrard? Sure, there are those who are more sublime in the pass, stronger in the tackle, faster and better at shooting. But he has no weak aspect to his game. He can play central midfield (as a holding or attacking player), in the whole just behind the srikers, as a right winger and also as a makeshift right back or centre half.

Therefore (in my slightly biased opinion!), I rate him as the most complete midfield player in Europe…with Fatty Lumplard a close second. In fact why should McClaren leave one out? He should give them both a kick up the arse and demand that they get their act together. It would be such a waste otherwise.

Does anybody agree?

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Re: Lampard, Gerard And The England Midfield
« #63 on: April 12, 2007, 06:22 PM »

I disagree

                     Gerrard  Lampard
Passing             10          8
Shooting           9.5        10
Leadership        10          5

Does anybody agree?

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