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babs787 (m)
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@stimulus
I had the premonition that you were going to reharsh already weathered arguments here as in previous threads. Rest your heart, as it's not my style to push for unsubstantiated lingusitic misconceptions paraded by Muslim so-called 'scholars' who have no idea of the Hebrew language. That is why your efforts to sweat out their misconceptions is untenable here.
You know what, thats just the problem with most christians here on nairaland. You believe that you are the most knowledgeable. You always think that yours should be the most acceptable, thereby ignoring others.
It is not new for christians to utter the above when they are being cornered.
Did Jesus ever heard the word 'Jehovah' during his ministry? Was Jehovah part of Aramaic language.
I am leaving you in your drivel. Its a free world.
okay.
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stimulus (m)
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@ishmael, You're trying to play a very infantile game with your drivel, and it's not such a bother to keep you busy at it. I've offered you several challenges: #1. Extract from the Bible the verse that stipulates that Ishmael worshipped Jehovah God, and then you can rest your heart. #2. To the question: "Is Allah Not The Arabic Word for Jehovah God?" I've offered you that there's no word as 'JEHOVAH' in the Arabic language. If there is, please point it out. #3. When you bear out the texts that establish your assertion that Ishmael worshipped Jehovah God, then I'll point out just the sort of man he in the Genesis account; and what impact that had on his progeny. If you're so lame in your defence as to offer textual evidence for your misconceptions, you can as well shout many pages in this thread about the same misconceptions - it won't change anything. Thank God that you agree and acknowledge that God Blessed Ishmael because of Abraham's prayer(s) for him; He was Blessed that's it!! Was it not God's Blessings that was poured upon him?? Or is there any Blessings more than God's Blessings?? did the blessings transform into curse?? Or did God reverse the blessings?? Edit or modify it as many times as you want, God answered the prayers of ABRAHAM - not Ishmael's prayers. The rascal was only a mocker whose career was clearly spelt out in Genesis 16:12 - "And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren". It's quite easy to rest your arguments. As soon as you adduce texts for the personal devotion of Ishmael towards Jehovah God, then I will spell out the rest for you of the sort of man he was. Sorry he's your name sake; but it won't change anything bro. Regards. |
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stimulus (m)
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@babs787, @stimulus
I had the premonition that you were going to reharsh already weathered arguments here as in previous threads. Rest your heart, as it's not my style to push for unsubstantiated lingusitic misconceptions paraded by Muslim so-called 'scholars' who have no idea of the Hebrew language. That is why your efforts to sweat out their misconceptions is untenable here.
You know what, thats just the problem with most christians here on nairaland. You believe that you are the most knowledgeable. You always think that yours should be the most acceptable, thereby ignoring others.
It is not new for christians to utter the above when they are being cornered.
Did Jesus ever heard the word 'Jehovah' during his ministry? Was Jehovah part of Aramaic language.
I am leaving you in your drivel. Its a free world.
okay. Haba, babs787. . . I did NOT claim to be the most knowledgeable.  Infact, if I ever did, then I should NOT have had to post the disclaimer that I am NOT a Hebrew scholar: In Genesis 1:1, the word used for God is אלהים ['ĕlôhîym - el-o-heem'], not "Allah". I am not a Hebrew scholar; but here's a website that could offer sound help from those who know the language well enough: Hebrew Names of God. Then you will understand why such dishonest transliterations by disingenuous fellows are not worth the noise they make. The simple premise is for you to challenge and investigate the claims of the dressed-up article you reposted from that website. Those gentlemen are misleading the public reader into believing their linguistic re-engineering of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek words into Arabic idiosyncracies, which is shamefully dishonest. If anyone is being "cornered", take an honest and bold step to challenge those articles (the same thing I do in challenging even "Christian" writers) - then you will see how my assertion stands that those chaps are disingenuous. Cheers. |
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babs787 (m)
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@stimulus
The simple premise is for you to challenge and investigate the claims of the dressed-up article you reposted from that website. Those gentlemen are misleading the public reader into believing their linguistic re-engineering of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek words into Arabic idiosyncracies, which is shamefully dishonest.
If anyone is being "cornered", take an honest and bold step to challenge those articles (the same thing I do in challenging even "Christian" writers) - then you will see how my assertion stands that those chaps are disingenuous.
Thanks but no thanks for the advice. The topic should have been "what is His name"
Astonishing as it may sound, it is an admitted fact that prior to the sixteenth century, the word "Jehovah," was unheard of. Have you noticed that Hebrew Language is being read from right to left as in Arabic).
The Christians claim that they have in their possession over twenty-four thousand so-called "originals" of their Holy Writ in the Greek language, and yet not a single parchment has "Jehovah" written in it. Curiously this "name of God" (?) has been sacrilegiously replaced by the Greek words ky'ri.os and the.os', which mean 'Lord' and 'God.'
Have you ever received any Jehovah witness?They have made the word JEHOVAH famous. They knock at people's doors, asking the question - "What is His Name?" The orthodox Christian replies - "God." They say, "God is not a name, it is an object of worship.
Stimulus, I have questions for you on the word 'jehovah"
1. Did Jesus heard the word Jehovah?
2. What is the word for 'God' in Aramaic and Hebrew?
3. How did Y H W H become Jehovah
4. What is a 'tetragrammaton'
As you are answering the questions, let us look at the below lists:
THE HEBREW ARABIC ENGLISH
Elah Ilah god
Ikhud Ahud one
Yaum Yaum day
Shaloam Salaam peace
Yahuwa Ya Huwa oh he
Thanks
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ishmael (m)
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@stimulus
What do you understand by " he will be a wildman"?? Don't give a literal meaning to it, you hear?? and what do you understand by "he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren"?? Who are his brethren??
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stimulus (m)
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@babs787, @stimulus
The simple premise is for you to challenge and investigate the claims of the dressed-up article you reposted from that website. Those gentlemen are misleading the public reader into believing their linguistic re-engineering of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek words into Arabic idiosyncracies, which is shamefully dishonest.
If anyone is being "cornered", take an honest and bold step to challenge those articles (the same thing I do in challenging even "Christian" writers) - then you will see how my assertion stands that those chaps are disingenuous.
Thanks but no thanks for the advice. The topic should have been "what is His name"
Astonishing as it may sound, it is an admitted fact that prior to the sixteenth century, the word "Jehovah," was unheard of. Have you noticed that Hebrew Language is being read from right to left as in Arabic).
The Christians claim that they have in their possession over twenty-four thousand so-called "originals" of their Holy Writ in the Greek language, and yet not a single parchment has "Jehovah" written in it. Curiously this "name of God" (?) has been sacrilegiously replaced by the Greek words ky'ri.os and the.os', which mean 'Lord' and 'God.'
Have you ever received any Jehovah witness?They have made the word JEHOVAH famous. They knock at people's doors, asking the question - "What is His Name?" The orthodox Christian replies - "God." They say, "God is not a name, it is an object of worship.
Stimulus, I have questions for you on the word 'jehovah"
1. Did Jesus heard the word Jehovah?
2. What is the word for 'God' in Aramaic and Hebrew?
3. How did Y H W H become Jehovah
4. What is a 'tetragrammaton'
As you are answering the questions, let us look at the below lists:
THE HEBREW ARABIC ENGLISH
Elah Ilah god
Ikhud Ahud one
Yaum Yaum day
Shaloam Salaam peace
Yahuwa Ya Huwa oh he
Thanks It seems you're still dripping wet with the same arguments that haven't helped your case. If you can't take my advise, is it any wonder that you perhaps might be a little unsettled as to discover the painful truth? When you claim that the name of God has been sacrilegiously replaced by the Greek words ky'ri.os and the.os', what exactly was His original Name before the 'replacement'? The philological argument you're advancing still show the difference between Hebrew and Arabic, regardless the closeness. What I have pointed out still holds: the claim of the author whose article you dressed up that Genesis 1:1 uses "Allah" is false. That is a re-engineered lingusitic blooper that won't stand scrutiny. |
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stimulus (m)
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@ishmael, @stimulus
What do you understand by " he will be a wildman"?? Don't give a literal meaning to it, you hear?? Okay, I hear you. So, please give us your own abstract meaning and let's hear more. and what do you understand by "he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren"?? Who are his brethren?? I've made the case already in another thread that besides Isaac by Sarah, Ishmael had other half-brethren from Abraham's second wife, Keturah. Their names are Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah (Gen. 25:1-2 and I Chron. 1:32). Are we to argue again that those were not a "literal meaning" as well? Further, in Gen. 25:6, Abraham sent away the other sons 'eastward, unto the east country'; while Isaac dwelt at Lahairoi in the south country (vs. 11; and Gen. 24:62), which was located between Kadesh and Bered (Gen. 16:14). The expression "he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren" points to Ishmael's original or native country/people - the Arab Egyptians. "These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations. And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people. And they dwelt from Havilah unto Shur, that is before Egypt, as thou goest toward Assyria: and he died in the presence of all his brethren" (Gen. 25:16-18). Here is the gist: 'all his brethren' is in particular reference to his native people the Egyptians ("gathered unto his own people"), and not narrowly in reference to Isaac's progeny. Hagar was from Egypt (Gen. 16:1); the political boundaries defined for the Ishmaelites were around Egypt (ch. 25:18); and the covenant son Isaac dwelt rather in the south country (Gen. 24:62). Therefore, when you read that clause "he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren", do not mistake it for the same geographic spot, or an idea of intermingling of peoples in the same confines. Now, if you really want to settle this greasy windscreen of Ishmael worshipping Jehovah God, may I ask you once more to kindly advance your texts for them and then I'll oblige you the very essence of what you've been missing out. If otherwise, you are not obliged to proffer any answers since you have no texts ready to your defence. Hence, you may retract on your assertions until otherwise when you can present something more to the point. Ciao! |
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drbelloim (m)
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ishmael (m)
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@stimulus
And the Bible now told you that ishmael and his descendants did not worship God, abi?? Quote your Bible for me, probably i don't have that verse in my own Bible.
Allah is an Arabic word as we all know, while Jehovah is Hebrew. Is God a Hebrew word??
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stimulus (m)
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@ishmael, @stimulus
And the Bible now told you that ishmael and his descendants did not worship God, abi?? Quote your Bible for me, probably i don't have that verse in my own Bible.
Allah is an Arabic word as we all know, while Jehovah is Hebrew. Is God a Hebrew word??
I have said repeatedly and I hope your don't have wax in your eyes: " As soon as you adduce texts for the personal devotion of Ishmael towards Jehovah God, then I will spell out the rest for you of the sort of man he was." And if you really don't have a text for your dribbling assertions, then: ". . . you are not obliged to proffer any answers since you have no texts ready to your defence. Hence, you may retract on your assertions until otherwise when you can present something more to the point." Just be man enough to take up my challenge, and you will read the real stuff that will lay your drivel to rest. Cheers. |
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ishmael (m)
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@stimulus
You are only arguing as a christian, i don't think you know the truth.
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stimulus (m)
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@stimulus
You are only arguing as a christian, i don't think you know the truth.
How else have you been arguing - or did you not say that you're a Christian? If you know the truth, why has it been difficult for you to share the same? |
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babyosisi (f)
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Jehovah and allah are not the same O.
They are different attributes
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