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babs787 (m)
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@Doyenn & Muhsin
Salam brothers.
May Allah be pleased with you. Please leave them alone, they are not ready to wise up and they should thank their star that Babs has been very busy. A dog that wants to get lost will not listen to its Master's whistle.
@Pilgrims, Davidylan, nossycheeks and other christian apologists
Like I said earlier, I don't want to be giving you biblical verses again but learnt that you are not ready to accept explanation and as a result of that I came with some verses in which you must explain them to me from the bible.
Muslims here have explained 19 v 71 but you are not satisfied and as a result of that, I came up with just two verses out of very many from your bible.
Like I do say, he who live in glass house must not throw stone
Still on Quran 19 v 71.
Please I want you to explain these verses to me
1.
What creature was crying in the sky? (Revelation 8 v 13)
According to King James Version, it was an angel
According to the New English Bible, , Good News Bible, Revised Standard Version, Living Bibleetc it was an eagle (a bird).
Please provide explanation.
2.
What was the age of Saul when he began to reign?
In 1 samuel 13 v 3, New English Bible says he was 50 years.
New International Version (NIV) says he was 30.
Amplified Bible (AB) and New American Standard Bible (NASB) says he was 40 years while
in King James Version, Revised Standard Version, Living Bible, Holy Bible, New Jerusalem Bible and American Translation of the Holy Bible his age is quite unknown
The whole verse has been dropped out of the Good News Bible.
Please provide explanation to the above.
Still on 19 v 71, when you provide explanation to the above, I will provide you verses from different versions that go against each other.
Take care.
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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@babs787, Please leave them alone, they are not ready to wise up and they should thank their star that Babs has been very busy. A dog that wants to get lost will not listen to its Master's whistle. People get busy, so don't hide behind that excuse. If the 'whistle' was meant to be pejorative about others, then perhaps you need to take your own advice and not get lost on issues you have been dribble about. @Pilgrims, Davidylan, nossycheeks and other christian apologists
Like I said earlier, I don't want to be giving you biblical verses again but learnt that you are not ready to accept explanation and as a result of that I came with some verses in which you must explain them to me from the bible. There are answers to the questions you're asking; but you don't have to demand them on a "MUST". Nobody set you on this Forum to boss others; and I've stated that as soon as you respect others and answer questions offered you, then we may oblige you. Trying to dribble awy from the Sura 19:71 and making excuses with translations on Rev. 8:13 and others are not going to help your distractions. Muslims always do that - and you can't play games anymore with such distractions. Muslims here have explained 19 v 71 but you are not satisfied and as a result of that, I came up with just two verses out of very many from your bible. Muslims did not "explain" Sura 19:71 - nor did they answer the questions offered as to where they find the Bridge over Hell in the Qur'an. I offered that same question to YOU, which you've cleverly ducked and now making excuses with 'I came up with just two verses'. Ah, me sef, I came have just two verses from your own Qur'an that show how Muslim translators have mistranslated the Qur'an. Ask and I'll gladly serve them. Your attempt to distract and hide away from Sura 19:71 is not working here at all. Like I do say, he who live in glass house must not throw stone I saw you've been throwing stones all along before I joined the Forum. Still on Quran 19 v 71.
Please I want you to explain these verses to me Babs787, why the pretences? I've already answered in the previous page and left you links there to go read my answers to your questions. Have you done so? Why are you repeating yourself and pretending you didn't see my answers in the previous page? Why are you deliberately evading the question I asked? Here again is what I left you earlier: So there. Enjoy. Still on 19 v 71, when you provide explanation to the above, I will provide you verses from different versions that go against each other. It is not my headache that the different versions of the Qur'an go against each other. Afterall, you've once referred to Muslim translators as "deluded liars that lied in order to deceive". Where you get your own translation that go against other Muslim translations that do not mention any BRIDGE over Hell in the Qur'an is still begging for answers. The distractions are not working, babs787. You've enjoyed doing this in the past; but it has grown out of use. Do you mind answering my questions and leave your attempted distractions and games for other times? Thank you. |
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babs787 (m)
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Still on Quran 19 v 71
@pilgrims, David, Vicjustice, babyosis, nossycheeks and other christian apologists
I have provided explanation to the Surah and you said that you would provide the contradictions, please do.
With regards to the above,, I supplied you verses from your bible where versions are saying different things, common, don't act like a coward do justice to my questions.
When you are still providing explanations to my questions, do justice to the below veses from different versions too.
We will see who will get tired at the end.
Please when you are through with 19 v 71, provide explanation to these too.
Where was the denial made?
IN THE BOOK OF MATHEW
King James Version
Mathew 26v71: …and he was gone into the Porch
Revised Standard Version
Mathew 26v71:and when he went out to the Porch
Good News Bible
Mathew 26v71: went out to the entrance of the Courtyard
New Living Translation
Mathew 26v71: , out by the GATE
The Gideon Bible
Mathew 26v71: …gone out to the GATEWAY
IN THE BOOK OF MARK
King James Version
Mark 14v68-69: and he went out into the Porch
Revised Standard Version
Mark 14v68: …and he went out into the Gateway
Good News Bible
Mark 14v68: went out into the Passage
New Living Translation
Mark 14v68: …went out into the ENTRY WAY
The Gideon Bible
Mark 14v68: ….he went out on the PORCH
IN THE BOOK LUKE
King James Version
Luke 22v55-58: …in the midst of the hall.
Revised Standard Version
Luke 22v55: …in the middle of the Courtyard
Good News Bible
Luke 22v55: …center of the Courtyard
New Living Translation
Luke 22v55: the guards lit a fire in the COURTYARD…Peter joined them.
The Gideon Bible
Luke 22v55: Peter sat among them in the COURTYARD
Please provide explanation to the above.
NB: we are still on 19 v 71
Take care.
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babs787 (m)
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@pilgrims
You know that muslims have provided enough answers but you and your cohorts are not satisfied as a result of your mischief.
So please don't act like a coward, provide me explanations to the verses from different versions of the bible.
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babs787 (m)
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@pilgrim You know that muslims gave explanations but you are not satisfied, so please provide explanation to the below questions again from different versions of the bible 1. What creature was crying in the sky? (Revelation 8 v 13)According to King James Version, it was an angel According to the New English Bible, , Good News Bible, Revised Standard Version, Living Bibleetc it was an eagle (a bird). Please provide explanation. KJV said it was an angel while others said it was an eagle or a bird, please explain. Is there any relationship between an angel and eagle/bird? 2. What was the age of Saul when he began to reign?In 1 samuel 13 v 3, New English Bible says he was 50 years. New International Version (NIV) says he was 30. Amplified Bible (AB) and New American Standard Bible (NASB) says he was 40 years while in King James Version, Revised Standard Version, Living Bible, Holy Bible, New Jerusalem Bible and American Translation of the Holy Bible his age is quite unknown The whole verse has been dropped out of the Good News Bible. I need explanation on the above too since the versions are not saying same thing. Which is the truth. |
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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You know that muslims gave explanations but you are not satisfied, so please provide explanation to the below questions again from different versions of the bible I'm still asking that you give me the verse in the Qur'an where Allah mentioned the "bridge" over Hell fire - has ANY Muslim done so? Where is the verse, babs787? And why are you pretending that I have not answered your questions on Sura 19:71? Have you checked out the weblinks I left you? Please go there and see for yourself the usual dribbling that Muslims make when they are faced with their own denials - which again is the same attempt you're trying to make here. Babs787, don't play games by trying to distract this issue. The case is clear; your answers are flawed; and you have not answered the question I left you. Playing games. . . tsk, tsk. . . e no go work with me sam-sam. |
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babs787 (m)
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@pilgrim I'm still asking that you give me the verse in the Qur'an where Allah mentioned the "bridge" over Hell fire - has ANY Muslim done so? Where is the verse, babs787? Calm down, as we proceed, I will be bringing out some verses from different versions of your bible. So you can't use your initiative because Allah didnt mention the word 'BRIDGE'. If He didnt mention it, please what are people 'passing over'And why are you pretending that I have not answered your questions on Sura 19:71? Have you checked out the weblinks I left you? Please go there and see for yourself the usual dribbling that Muslims make when they are faced with their own denials - which again is the same attempt you're trying to make here. In all honesty, I have not checked and didnt bother to check because I for one provided explanation and even referred you and David to the explanation on same. It will even do you good if you can lay your hands on Ibn Kathir translation of the Holy Quran rather than making mockery of yourself. Nobody is denying anything and will never do but you are the mischievous one that is not ready to accept explanation. Like I said, you and David have been posing same for some days and all efforts trying to checkmate you proved abortive even after having given you explanations. You know babs, by the time I start with you giving you verses from your bible, you and David will regret ever starting the debate. I have not even done that when you said that I was deriding Jesus and your faith. You will start a thread and when muslims start giving you verses from your bible, you will start saying all sort of things. I decided to soft-pedalled because of some christians here Quran 5 v 82: verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers the Jews and those who are Al mushrikins and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say 'we are christians'. This is because amongst them are priests and monks and they are not proud. Babs787, don't play games by trying to distract this issue. The case is clear; your answers are flawed; and you have not answered the question I left you. Playing games. . . tsk, tsk. . . e no go work with me sam-sam. I am not playing games and will never do that, since muslims have explained and you are not ready to accept the explanation. I posed those verses to you to help me out by explaining to me like muslims have done to verse 19 v 71. You yourself know very well that I answered you, provided you with explanation too but your denial will not work and your pranks reminds me of nossycheeks and Telly B. Nossycheek posted some Quran verses claiming they are contradictions but muslims explained the verses to her without even diverting the topic but funny enough, when I opened similar thread with the title 'NOT REALLY CONTRADICTIONS; Telly B diverted when he couldnt provide explanations to the verses from the bible and gave me some alleged quranic contradictions and claimed that I must answer him before he would answer my questions. Same goes when I posed some questions on the deity of Jesus and all he could do again was diverted the topic and asked me questions. So yours is not coming as a surprise, muslims have provided explanation to you though you are not satisfied but please try to explain the verses from different versions of your bible. Since you are running from my questions, I will limit them to just two which you must provide explanation as muslims have done. 1. What creature was crying in the sky? (Revelation 8 v 13)According to King James Version, it was an angel According to the New English Bible, , Good News Bible, Revised Standard Version, Living Bibleetc it was an eagle (a bird). Please provide explanation. KJV said it was an angel while others said it was an eagle or a bird, please explain. Is there any relationship between an angel and eagle/bird? Try to provide explanation as muslims have done.2.
What was the age of Saul when he began to reign?In 1 samuel 13 v 3, New English Bible says he was 50 years. New International Version (NIV) says he was 30. Amplified Bible (AB) and New American Standard Bible (NASB) says he was 40 years while in King James Version, Revised Standard Version, Living Bible, Holy Bible, New Jerusalem Bible and American Translation of the Holy Bible his age is quite unknown The whole verse has been dropped out of the Good News Bible. I need explanation on the above too since the versions are not saying same thing. Which is the truth. Provide expalanation as muslims have done. Thanks |
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Horus (m)
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Ramadan breath is a very foul odor. You Muhammadans with your hadith have the nerve to say that Allah will pardon one’s Ramadan breath, and that it likened to the scent of paradise, what nonsense. You mean to tell me paradise smells like a sewer system that can be found right here on earth. Scientifically speaking, the digestive system is not voluntary controlled. The digestive system is an involuntary system; so whether you eat or don’t eat, it is still going to secrete gastric juices, pepsin and hydrochloric acids, which digest the remains on the lining of the stomach. Meaning, the feces that is left on the lining of the stomach is being re-digested over and over again, which is why you have foul-smelling breath during Ramadan, that you seem to take so much pride in having.
I also would like to know where does it state, in the Koran, “you will be hated,” if you use toothpaste? With that stench in your mouth, during the fasting in Ramadan, you, Muhammadans should be running to the stores, grabbing all of the toothpaste off the shelves. Because the miswaks (little bark from trees that take like licorice) are not working. By the way, miswaks are very bad for your teeth, although you say Muhammad used it. Dentists today have proven that it only pushes your teeth back, making them loose and yellow. And, it does not contain any fluoride; therefore, it is not beneficial to your teeth, unless you want no teeth by the time you reach middle age.
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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@babs787, Repeating the same thing over and again is not new - Muslims often do this when they can't face up to their own denials. It's the trademark, and I wasn't expecting anything better than that from you. Making excuses about Telly B's questions that you couldn't answer is not the befitting thing for a man your age to post in a public Forum - it makes you sound like a helpless child seeking sympathy for lost toys. However, as many times as you want to play this game, the same answers that I've already offered to Sura 19:71 will be presented: So there. Pretend all you want as if you suddenly can no longer read. If you care, please go to those links and be the man you've been crying 'salam brothers' every time you want cheap applause from your brethren. NONE of them has yet been able to oblige an answer to the single question of the verse in the Qur'an for the BRIDGE over Hell. Embarrassing, is it? Not my worry - the Qur'an claims to be a "fully detailed" book with nothing left out of it. Where in the Qur'an is the bridge over Hell that has been left out of it? You sabi play games, abi? You never start as yet. Enjoy. |
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babs787 (m)
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@Horus Ramadan breath is a very foul odor. You Muhammadans with your hadith have the nerve to say that Allah will pardon one’s Ramadan breath, and that it likened to the scent of paradise, what nonsense. You mean to tell me paradise smells like a sewer system that can be found right here on earth. Scientifically speaking, the digestive system is not voluntary controlled. The digestive system is an involuntary system; so whether you eat or don’t eat, it is still going to secrete gastric juices, pepsin and hydrochloric acids, which digest the remains on the lining of the stomach. Meaning, the feces that is left on the lining of the stomach is being re-digested over and over again, which is why you have foul-smelling breath during Ramadan, that you seem to take so much pride in having. Whats that supposed to mean dude?  I also would like to know where does it state, in the Koran, “you will be hated,” if you use toothpaste? With that stench in your mouth, during the fasting in Ramadan, you, Muhammadans should be running to the stores, grabbing all of the toothpaste off the shelves. Because the miswaks (little bark from trees that take like licorice) are not working. By the way, miswaks are very bad for your teeth, although you say Muhammad used it. Dentists today have proven that it only pushes your teeth back, making them loose and yellow. And, it does not contain any fluoride; therefore, it is not beneficial to your teeth, unless you want no teeth by the time you reach middle age. Thanks for the advice once again caring brother.  @pilgrim @babs787,
Repeating the same thing over and again is not new - Muslims often do this when they can't face up to their own denials. It's the trademark, and I wasn't expecting anything better than that from you. Making excuses about Telly B's questions that you couldn't answer is not the befitting thing for a man your age to post in a public Forum - it makes you sound like a helpless child seeking sympathy for lost toys. Really? I am not surprised at your post. It has been your trade mark and I told you in my last post that by the time am through with you, you will regret coming on board. I am not making an excuse, If you are not satisfied and very sure of what you are saying about Telly B, you may bring up the thread and lets view it together. However, as many times as you want to play this game, the same answers that I've already offered to Sura 19:71 will be presented: Like I said, I have not been around for sometime now but you felt that you can capitalize on my absence to be posting what you feel like. By the time I open threads specifically for you and I, you will regret coming up with threads against BABS. I don't need to check those links because I have provided explanation but you are up to mischief. Nobody is seeing you now but you will start saying that Babs is deriding your faith when I start with you. When trouble sleep, yanga go go wake am, and when you wake am finish, you no go fit control am. And what about the Muslim translators who know that verse does not speak of "passing over" but translate it as: "except that he will go (herded) down to it" - (Dr. M.M. Ghali) "shall descend into the same [hell]" - (Sale) "There is not one of you who shall not go down to it" - (Hassan Qaribullah & Ahmed Darwish) Where did Yusuf Ali, Muhsin & Khan (Hilali-Khan) and others like them get the idea of "passing over" Hell to justify their own particular slants to that verse (Sura 19:71)? There is no mention of any bridge over hell in the Qur'an; nor did the Qur'an say that Muslims are going to "pass over" Hell. It clearly states that they are going to be taken into Hell (ENTER it, go down to it, be herded down to it). Good. you know that muslims have explained but you are ready to wise up. Let me apply the same method to your bible and you must explain to me too because muslims have explained to you. Please try to explain the below translations from different versions of the bible. 1. What creature was crying in the sky? (Revelation 8 v 13) KJV said it was an angel According to King James Version, it was an angelWHILE According to the New English Bible, , Good News Bible, Revised Standard Version, Living Bibleetc it was an eagle (a bird).Please provide explanation. 2.
What was the age of Saul when he began to reign?In 1 samuel 13 v 3, New English Bible says he was 50 years.New International Version (NIV) says he was 30.Amplified Bible (AB) and New American Standard Bible (NASB) says he was 40 years while in King James Version, Revised Standard Version, Living Bible, Holy Bible, New Jerusalem Bible and American Translation of the Holy Bible his age is quite unknownThe whole verse has been dropped out of the Good News Bible.Please explain the difference in the versions of the bible. So there.
Pretend all you want as if you suddenly can no longer read. If you care, please go to those links and be the man you've been crying 'salam brothers' every time you want cheap applause from your brethren. NONE of them has yet been able to oblige an answer to the single question of the verse in the Qur'an for the BRIDGE over Hell. Embarrassing, is it? Not my worry - the Qur'an claims to be a "fully detailed" book with nothing left out of it. Where in the Qur'an is the bridge over Hell that has been left out of it? You are just wasting your time. I for one explained to you but you are not ready to learn and when I found out that you are not ready to learn, I gave you translation from different versions of your bible in which you should please try and explain as muslims have done to your questions. Now you may be denying the fact that muslims have explained to you but its just that you are not satisfied, so common don't act like a coward, explain those versions for me too. You sabi play games, abi? You never start as yet. I gave you a verse that says they will pass over. Please explain to me from that verse, what will they 'pass over'? You havent seen nothing yet, by the time I go digging into the bible, you will regret starting the verse.
Enjoy.
Sure And when you are through with my questions, you will explain the other verses from the four books from different versions of your bible. |
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babyosisi (f)
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this boy no dey tire
babs, na you biko
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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@babs787, Quit the drama and go there to see the answers I offfered. You Muslims have been playing games forever whenever you find your denials face to face. Look at the excuses you're now covering face with: I don't need to check those links because I have provided explanation but you are up to mischief. Of course you don't need to go check those links because you know your nightmares are facing you there. It won't be my problem if you take a heart attack whenever you do. You pretend the 'salam bother' to whip up cheap applause from you and your folks for not having been able to clearly and simply provide the verse for what you make Allah say that he did not say in the Qur'an. Sorry for you. Like I said, I have not been around for sometime now but you felt that you can capitalize on my absence to be posting what you feel like. By the time I open threads specifically for you and I, you will regret coming up with threads against BABS. Don't make me laugh. If that was meant as another device to hide your weak fallacies, save it - it's not working. Where did I open threads against BABS? What do you represnt - juju that no one has heard of before? Who captalized on your absence - or you just want to to let us know that mouth is paining you to talk beyond what you see? Where did I come up with threads against BABS - do you even exist? You had the intention to make me regret - and only one thread about Muhammad's miracles made your eyes red. You still haven't recovered yet from that one - and you're snuffing smoke to make me regret! Please go to your errand boys and pick another joke: tell them that the one they gave you is not working on pilgrim.1 - they may have stronger juju for you. Now you may be denying the fact that muslims have explained to you but its just that you are not satisfied, so common don't act like a coward, explain those versions for me too. You're right - I'm not satisfied with Muslim so-called 'explanations' that have only turned out to be more deception than 'explanation'. I know - I've dealt with your betters before, and not even Tiptronic was able to sustain his so-called 'explanation'. He knew his noose was getting tighter and he eloped from the Forum. I didn't wish him to have gone so unceremoniously; but he's smart to have saved himself the bang he didn't wish for; and you're here crying 'you must answer my questions.' Babs787, just quit the pretences, Muslims play the games you've been ever playing on the Forum - and that's why you don't want to go over to the other thread for my answers as you're hiding away from your worst nightmares. When you recover just a bit, fold your agbada and go there and show the coward that you're alleging against others but can't see in you. Here again: The coward that you don't want to be should not be chasing you from my answers in that thread. If you guys have any answers at all, you should not be avoiding that thread like the next biggest plague is going to break out on you. You're here crying sheep - and for all your fright, you dream to make me REGRET?!? Whoever sold you that joke should have called you to a quiet corner for advice when I debated you on Muhammade's miracles that you haven't been able to defend till date. Cheerio. |
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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@babs787,
I have just brought up the other thread close by for your attention so that it is easier for you to go there and find answers to your problems with Sura 19:71.
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babs787 (m)
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Insert Quote
this boy no dey tire
babs, na you biko You know what babs can do. @pilgrims Insert Quote
@babs787,
I have just brought up the other thread close by for your attention so that it is easier for you to go there and find answers to your problems with Sura 19:71. I was about posting when I saw your post and will answer it along with your former rejoinder. I have gone through and saw that tiptronic answered more than I ever expected. Quit the drama and go there to see the answers I offfered. You Muslims have been playing games forever whenever you find your denials face to face. Look at the excuses you're now covering face with: Muslims can never play games with, you are the one confusing yourself when you having nothing to proof. Of course you don't need to go check those links because you know your nightmares are facing you there. Honestly sister, no matter how you may twist the debate, the fact remains that when we start, it is you christian that will get tired because there is proof and evidence to knock you and your faith out. It won't be my problem if you take a heart attack whenever you do. You pretend the 'salam bother' to whip up cheap applause from you and your folks for not having been able to clearly and simply provide the verse for what you make Allah say that he did not say in the Qur'an. Sorry for you. I wonder whats your problem in greeting my brothers. Do muslims raise eyebrows when any of your folks greet or congratulate you? Hey, you know that babs doesnt give a damn, it is you that will get tired when we start, you will make me go deep into your bible and start what I have stopped. Don't make me laugh. If that was meant as another device to hide your weak fallacies, save it - it's not working. Where did I open threads against BABS? What do you represnt - juju that no one has heard of before? Who captalized on your absence - or you just want to to let us know that mouth is paining you to talk beyond what you see? Where did I come up with threads against BABS - do you even exist? Hey, I am beginning to diagnose your problem and when I start with you, you will regret debating with babs. I will be very grateful if a favour can be granted which is, leaving two threads for you and I. One will be for Islamic questios and the other will for questions on christianity. Let me know if you are ok with that and Seun should make it possible if you are comfortable with that . Strictly for you and I. You had the intention to make me regret - and only one thread about Muhammad's miracles made your eyes red. You still haven't recovered yet from that one - and you're snuffing smoke to make me regret! Please go to your errand boys and pick another joke: tell them that the one they gave you is not working on pilgrim.1 - they may have stronger juju for you. Nobody'e eyes red. You were just twisting and going round in circles. I didnt see you in that thread of 99 names of Allah and you didnt even go on with that 'Muhammed is not a good man'. Babs is ever ready for you anyhow you want it. By the time I am through with you, you will regret debating with babs. You're right - I'm not satisfied with Muslim so-called 'explanations' that have only turned out to be more deception than 'explanation'. I know - I've dealt with your betters before, and not even Tiptronic was able to sustain his so-called 'explanation'. He knew his noose was getting tighter and he eloped from the Forum. I didn't wish him to have gone so unceremoniously; but he's smart to have saved himself the bang he didn't wish for; and you're here crying 'you must answer my questions.' I am used to your trademark and it wont work for me. Ok lets put it this way, muslims explained to you but you are not satisfied. So please try to explain my questions too if you are up to the task. Remember, I have not started with you yet, but by the time I am through with you, you will regret coming to nairaland. I only wish seun grant my request. And when we start. i mean you and I, both of must answer questions thrown at each other. Babs787, just quit the pretences, Muslims play the games you've been ever playing on the Forum - and that's why you don't want to go over to the other thread for my answers as you're hiding away from your worst nightmares. When you recover just a bit, fold your agbada and go there and show the coward that you're alleging against others but can't see in you. Here again: You are the one hallucinating. Muslim provided enough explanation but you are not satisfied as a result of your mischief. Here you are showing your weakness by not being able to answer my questions. I saw it, just like the explanation I gave to you. http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-66264.32.html#msg1303619 Tiptronic provided enough explanation. May Allah be pleased with him, he provided detailed explanation May Allah be pleased with him for providing enough explanation but only that you are not ready to learn and use what you have in your upstairs WHERE IS THE VERSE IN THE QUR'AN THAT MENTIONS THE BRIDGE OVER HELL? Once again, what are they passing over in the verse I provided for you? The coward that you don't want to be should not be chasing you from my answers in that thread. If you guys have any answers at all, you should not be avoiding that thread like the next biggest plague is going to break out on you. You're here crying sheep - and for all your fright, you dream to make me REGRET?!? Whoever sold you that joke should have called you to a quiet corner for advice when I debated you on Muhammade's miracles that you haven't been able to defend till date. I am not running and will never do that. I have provided explanation for you but you are not satisfied. I am asking you again, please what are they passing over. On the issue of Miracles, I didnt run but ignored you when I realised that you cannot debate sensibly but arguing over what you have no fact for as you have been doing in some threads. Please let me know if you are ok with the opening of two threads strictly for you and I. If you are ok, let me know so we start once and for all. You will be asking me questions in Islamic thread while I will be doing same in christianity thread. Please accept my offer. I have been begging you and still begging you to provide explanation to my questions just like muslims have done to you. |
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Babs787, I brought the thread where you dread your nightmares close by so you can take a look and address what you call "explanation". We know the Muslim games at posting deceptions to cover their denials, and that's why I am asking that you go there and show the joker you are, instead of hiding in this thread. To assure you, there are answers to the small questions that have continually plagued you. . and as soon as you wake up from the usual Muslim dribble you've using to kill time here, you will find answers to your worries in the pretended 'questions' you've been noising endlessly here. One thing you should note is that, none of the verses from the Bible you have quoted amounts to the same thing as Allah promising to send Muslims to Hell fire as we find in the Qur'an. Too bad if you've been hoping for a bridge in the Qur'an where Allah did not remotely promise any bridge over Hell. It is not my problem that you will enter where you fear . . . it is INEVITABLE, and Allah has promised Hell fire for all Muslims! That is the one reason why you dread my answers in the other thread and have been making noise here forever. Grow up, mr babs. . . that thread is not the Hell itself. You will only find answers there that clearly enunciate your irrevocable dread by a hitman decree. So, once again, take your jokes to your errand boys and let them know that it is not working on pilgrim.1, you hear? Let them know that the only way to solve your problem is for them to show you the verse where Allah mentioned the bridge over Hell fire, so that you can be sure not to be taken into it (or, as Dr. M. M. Ghali translates it in his masterpiece, "to be herded down into Hell"). When you land there, I wish you the very best of the hitman decree from Allah. If you're smart at all, you won't be hiding here under this noise you've been making. You would rather go to that thread and smell the flames early enough to clear your fussy thinking. Salam, babs. Whether you like it or not, Sura 19.71 is irrevocable . . and the only way you can escape that hitman decree is when you no longer carry yourself about like the Muslim who does not want to acknowledge his worst nightmare in that verse. One more thing . . . that verse happens to be one of the few that will NEVER be abrogated! So, salam again. Dress lightly, because the flames will not spare you, babs. In case you have forgotten. . . my answers are not far away> http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-66264.32.html#msg1300770http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-66264.32.html#msg1303619http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-66264.32.html#msg1303625http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-66264.32.html#msg1308457http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-66264.32.html#msg1308462http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-66264.32.html#msg1308464Go there and and see the detailed deception exposed that you have pretended to overlook. |
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Nobody'e eyes red. You were just twisting and going round in circles. I didnt see you in that thread of 99 names of Allah and you didnt even go on with that 'Muhammed is not a good man'. Do you have eyes to see at all, or the sands are also disturbing your iris? The thread was locked, and how else could you have expected me to post a reply in a locked thread? Besides, when the tread was first opened, I was one of the first to post a rejoinder to contextualize the idea of Muhammad being bad. Incase you missed it yet again, please go over and take a look> Lol @Vicjustice,
There's really no need for the over-reaction. Coming from the other thread, it's anybody's take that Muhammad was either an all-time bad/evil person, or in some respects 'good'. These terms can only be relative, not absolute.
But there again: just my opinion. Please don't be offended. http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-65190.0.html#msg1278260Because you Muslims cannot see beyond your nose, you deliberately want to pretend that you missed that. It is quite a shame that you are pretending to be a man. No worries - I have told you before, and would yet do it again. . . go back to your errand biys and let them know that your noisy jokes are not working on pilgrim.1 . . you want to keep slipping under cover of your usual Islamic antics. Pity. |
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babs787 (m)
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pilgrim I brought the thread where you dread your nightmares close by so you can take a look and address what you call "explanation". We know the Muslim games at posting deceptions to cover their denials, and that's why I am asking that you go there and show the joker you are, instead of hiding in this thread. It is you that has been playing games and i am just starting with you. More is still coming woth regards to issues in the bible. I have been there and saw detailed explanation to your problem. To assure you, there are answers to the small questions that have continually plagued you. . and as soon as you wake up from the usual Muslim dribble you've using to kill time here, you will find answers to your worries in the pretended 'questions' you've been noising endlessly here. Please provide the answers. One thing you should note is that, none of the verses from the Bible you have quoted amounts to the same thing as Allah promising to send Muslims to Hell fire as we find in the Qur'an. Too bad if you've been hoping for a bridge in the Qur'an where Allah did not remotely promise any bridge over Hell. It is not my problem that you will enter where you fear . . . it is INEVITABLE, and Allah has promised Hell fire for all Muslims! That is the one reason why you dread my answers in the other thread and have been making noise here forever. Grow up, mr babs. . . that thread is not the Hell itself. You will only find answers there that clearly enunciate your irrevocable dread by a hitman decree. Nobody is dreading your answers. Muslims provided DETAILED answers to your sleeplesness. Oh sure they will never meant same thing in as much as a verses is mentioning angel while is mentioning eagle/bird. Or situation where a verse says Peter went to the Courtyard, Gateway, Porch etc. You aint see nothing yet. So, once again, take your jokes to your errand boys and let them know that it is not working on pilgrim.1, you hear? Let them know that the only way to solve your problem is for them to show you the verse where Allah mentioned the bridge over Hell fire, so that you can be sure not to be taken into it (or, as Dr. M. M. Ghali translates it in his masterpiece, "to be herded down into Hell"). Hey, is it only Ghali you are quoting? why not give me from Hilali or Dawood too. You are great player and wasting your time. You should know that when babs is ready for, he will surely make you sweat. So you can't use your initiative because Quran didnt mention bridge and please what are the passing over? When you land there, I wish you the very best of the hitman decree from Allah. If you're smart at all, you won't be hiding here under this noise you've been making. You would rather go to that thread and smell the flames early enough to clear your fussy thinking. Okay. You tell that to 'Jesus that went to Hell in the bible' Salam, babs. Whether you like it or not, Sura 19.71 is irrevocable . . and the only way you can escape that hitman decree is when you no longer carry yourself about like the Muslim who does not want to acknowledge his worst nightmare in that verse. One more thing . . . that verse happens to be one of the few that will NEVER be abrogated!
So, salam again. Dress lightly, because the flames will not spare you, babs. You roundabout denial is not helping matter. Muslims provided explanations but yu are not ready to think so please you provide explanation to my questions too to know that you are up to the task and not just making noise. Tiptronic answered you backing it up with hadith but you were puzzled and lost along the line. http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-66264.32.html#msg1303619 I read it too. Its stil the same link. he provided the answers but you made the denials. http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-66264.32.html#msg1303625 Still same issue http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-66264.32.html#msg1308457 Same issue I went there and saw tiptronic's response to your infantile roundabout argument which you are known for. You were making denials without evidence. Too bad for you. Go there and and see the detailed deception exposed that you have pretended to overlook. Yes I did and I saw his detailed response. Besides, when the tread was first opened, I was one of the first to post a rejoinder to contextualize the idea of Muhammad being bad. Incase you missed it yet again, please go over and take a look> You didnt respond to my last post in the thread about athrocities committed by christians in spreading the message through the use of swords. Quote Lol @Vicjustice, There's really no need for the over-reaction. Coming from the other thread, it's anybody's take that Muhammad was either an all-time bad/evil person, or in some respects 'good'. These terms can only be relative, not absolute. But there again: just my opinion. Please don't be offended. http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-65190.0.html#msg1278260 Okay so its your opinion but its flawed. Making noise without enough fact. This is my response which you ignored http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-65190.32.htmlBecause you Muslims cannot see beyond your nose, you deliberately want to pretend that you missed that. You didnt make reference to the thread opened by vicjustice where I showed you how christianity was spread through the use of force and sword. It is quite a shame that you are pretending to be a man. No worries - I have told you before, and would yet do it again. . . go back to your errand biys and let them know that your noisy jokes are not working on pilgrim.1 . . you want to keep slipping under cover of your usual Islamic antics. Pity. Common enough of your denials and ignorance. please do justice to my questions on some verses from different versions. I didnt pretend and will never do. You left the thread when I posted athrocities committed by your people in spreading christianity . Respond to the thread and lets continue if you are in doubt. Also don't forget to respond to my questions asked in this thread too. |
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@babs787, Your drama will not work, and you're only making a good laugh of yourself. Nobody is dreading your answers. Muslims provided DETAILED answers to your sleeplesness. Muslims provided detailed deception. That's what I pointed out to Tiptronic and because he knew his nosse was getting tighter around his own neck, he rather decided to opt out of the Forum. Hey, is it only Ghali you are quoting? why not give me from Hilali or Dawood too. You're such a joker - and you can add that up as another usual lie of Muslims that you're displaying here. You already know that it was NOT "only" M. M. Ghali I quoted, so why the childish denial? And come to Hilali (Hilali-Khan), I asked a pointed question as to where they got the "bridge" from that Allah never mentioned in the Qur'an - and you swerved like the typical dodger you are to play your usual games. WHERE did Hilali get the "bridge" in the Qur'an to make Allah say what is not in the Qur'an? Please give me that verse directly from the Qur'an (ANY TRANSLATION or VERSION or the Qur'an) - and I would agree with what you have severally tried to whip up here as "explanation". Where you get that deception here to be referring to Hilali is what you have to sort out. No games please, you hear? Muslims provided explanations but yu are not ready to think so please you provide explanation to my questions too to know that you are up to the task and not just making noise. I hope your heart pressure is okay? What's biting you? I'm asking two simple things - which up until now NO MUSLIM has been able to provide. Where is the verse in the Qur'an where Allah mentioned a "bridge" over Hell fire? Secondly, what "explanation" has any Muslim offered in order to cover up their denials that Muslims will be taken to Hell fire by a hitman decree? WHICH Muslim has offered "detailed explanation" to those questions? You're here playing the usual games - but a pity it has become out of use. Try something else. Okay. You tell that to 'Jesus that went to Hell in the bible' I'm not surprised that you'd resort to such childish games - maybe that's what your errand boys recommended this time for you. They asked you to make jokes about "Jesus" and then come back in the same Muslim hypocrisy that 'Muslims love Jesus'. Good that you're displaying your Muslim hypocrisy and hope your 'salam brother' will see you for what you are. In anycase, Jesus went to 'Hades' - the place of the departed. He did not go to 'the lake of fire' where the wicked shall be cast, and which is described in the Bible as the place prepared for the Devil and his angels (Matt. 25:41). You didnt respond to my last post in the thread about athrocities committed by christians in spreading the message through the use of swords. It's not such a difficult thing to respond if you wanted me to; afterall, who does not know that today Muslims hold the number 1 position and reputation for world terrorism? The reason why you don't read my rejoinder in that thread is that it was locked - unless you're blind as a bat to deliberately refuse to see it so. Making excuses again and again after I pointed it out in my previous rejoinder simply shows the hypocrisy in your motive - which is forgiveable, because that is what Muslims do. You didnt make reference to the thread opened by vicjustice where I showed you how christianity was spread through the use of force and sword. Same as above. Did you miss it? Babs, please don't try to confirm indeed that Muslims are under-educated. Unless you cannot read. Common enough of your denials and ignorance. please do justice to my questions on some verses from different versions.
I didnt pretend and will never do. You left the thread when I posted athrocities committed by your people in spreading christianity .
Respond to the thread and lets continue if you are in doubt. Also don't forget to respond to my questions asked in this thread too.
Lol. . . mr babs, how does your question say the same thing as Sura 19:71? I simply want to know how the verses you quoted from the Bible is saying the same thing as Sura 19:71 does. It's simply because you know your nightmares hinge on that verse from the Qur'an, that's why you continued to duck under the excuses you've been drumming up all along and coming here to praise runaway Tiptronic. There's no crime in praising runaways - it's not the first time Muslims have done so. What I simply ask of Muslims is not so difficult. As soon as they show the verse in the Qur'an for the "bridge" over Hell fire that Allah promised, then I'll gladly show you the answers to your nightmares. Oya, take that message again to your errand boys so that they know that the latest recommendation they offered you didn't work as well. Mr babs787, is it a hard thing to settle this simple question? Show me where in the Qur'an Allah promised a "bridge" over Hell fire, and I'll be okay with that. QED. If Allah did NOT say so at all in any verse (abrogated or otherwise) in the Qur'an, why are you trying to make him say what he did not say? Besides, from where in the Qur'an did your favorite translators find the "bridge" to insert in their own Qur'an that Allah mentioned nothing at all in his own Qur'an? Is that a hard thing to do and settle the small question? I really don't mind whatever scholars you can consult for your "explanation" or deception. But let your scholars simply bring out the verse in the Qur'an where Allah mentioned the "BRIDGE" over Hell fire - and that is the one simple thing that will clear your pretended scholarship on the Forum. Abi, is that too DIFFICULT for you and your scholars to show? I beg una again: please give me the verse - any verse in the entire 114 chapters of the Qur'an - where Allah spoke of a BRIDGE over Hell fire. That is all, and that is simple. If there are NO deceptions, why is it taking you guys FOREVER to show the verse where you saw the "BRIDGE"? Cheers. |
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@pilgrim Your drama will not work, and you're only making a good laugh of yourself. Really? We shall see as we proceed. You're such a joker - and you can add that up as another usual lie of Muslims that you're displaying here. You already know that it was NOT "only" M. M. Ghali I quoted, so why the childish denial? And come to Hilali (Hilali-Khan), I asked a pointed question as to where they got the "bridge" from that Allah never mentioned in the Qur'an - and you swerved like the typical dodger you are to play your usual games. WHERE did Hilali get the "bridge" in the Qur'an to make Allah say what is not in the Qur'an? Please give me that verse directly from the Qur'an (ANY TRANSLATION or VERSION or the Qur'an) - and I would agree with what you have severally tried to whip up here as "explanation". Where you get that deception here to be referring to Hilali is what you have to sort out. No games please, you hear? Sister, am not surprised at your confusion just because the verse didnt mention any bridge. If the Quran didnt mention bridge, please what are they passing over?
I'm not surprised that you'd resort to such childish games - maybe that's what your errand boys recommended this time for you. They asked you to make jokes about "Jesus" and then come back in the same Muslim hypocrisy that 'Muslims love Jesus'. Good that you're displaying your Muslim hypocrisy and hope your 'salam brother' will see you for what you are.
I know that you will cry at the mention of Jesus. Is that not written in your bible that he went to Hell? You have been the one crying that muslims have been deriding Jesus at mention of his name even while you yourself is very aware that the verse is being lifted from the bible. If someone goes into the bible to bring a verse for you, it is then you will say that muslims are deriding your faith. Like I keep saying, babs is ever ready to provide evidence for whatever you may be calling 'deriding JESUS' from your bible. In anycase, Jesus went to 'Hades' - the place of the departed. He did not go to 'the lake of fire' where the wicked shall be cast, and which is described in the Bible as the place prepared for the Devil and his angels (Matt. 25:41). Please what is your understanding of Hell? I will be giving you verses to show that babs has not been deriding Jesus but giving you what is in your bible. Let me shed more light on what you are confused about. According to the book of the acts of the Apostles Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left (kataleipo) in hell (hades), neither his flesh did see corruption. (KJV translation) The word kataleipo means, 1) to leave behind a) to depart from, leave 1) to be left b) to bid (one) to remain c) to forsake, leave to one's self a person or thing by ceasing to care for it, to abandon, leave in the lurch 1) to be abandoned, forsaken d) to cause to be left over, to reserve, to leave remaining e) like our "leave behind", it is used of one who on being called away cannot take another with him 1) especially of the dying (to leave behind) f) like our "leave", leave alone, disregard 1) of those who sail past a place without stopping Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/2/1147370736-9394.html The word hades means, 1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions 2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead 3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits. Usually Hades is just the abode of the wicked, Lu. 16:23, Rev. 20:13,14; a very uncomfortable place. Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/8/1147369484-2683.html Bible commentator Matthew Henry says, Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell’’ (in hades, in the invisible state, so hades properly signifies); "but, though thou suffer it for a time to remove thither, and to remain there, yet thou wilt remand it; thou wilt not leave it there, as thou dost the souls of other men.’’ (Matthew Henry Complete Commentary on the Whole Bible, Source) Please when you are through, you provide me the reason why Jesus had to go to Hell and not heaven straight? [quote ]It's not such a difficult thing to respond if you wanted me to; afterall, who does not know that today Muslims hold the number 1 position and reputation for world terrorism? The reason why you don't read my rejoinder in that thread is that it was locked - unless you're blind as a bat to deliberately refuse to see it so. Making excuses again and again after I pointed it out in my previous rejoinder simply shows the hypocrisy in your motive - which is forgiveable, because that is what Muslims do. Please respond. Same as above. Did you miss it? Babs, please don't try to confirm indeed that Muslims are under-educated. Unless you cannot read. It is your problem not mine. You are free to comment on the atrocities here if the thread is locked. Lol. . . mr babs, how does your question say the same thing as Sura 19:71? I simply want to know how the verses you quoted from the Bible is saying the same thing as Sura 19:71 does. It's simply because you know your nightmares hinge on that verse from the Qur'an, that's why you continued to duck under the excuses you've been drumming up all along and coming here to praise runaway Tiptronic. You will never know and I will make you understand despite the fact that you will have nothing to offer as muslims have been doing. The reason for my question is that, you have been stiff-necked on the issue of 19v71 and I decided to let you reason from your bible because your roundabout argument is not helping matters and will never help you. Now, you based your argument on the fact that the no bridge was mentioned and I provided you some different versions of the bible saying different things. Since you are not ready to think, I posed those questions to you to give me the versions that is saying the truth and nothing more. So please answer my question again. I asked you this in order to know the version that is correct and reliable. There's no crime in praising runaways - it's not the first time Muslims have done so. What I simply ask of Muslims is not so difficult. As soon as they show the verse in the Qur'an for the "bridge" over Hell fire that Allah promised, then I'll gladly show you the answers to your nightmares. Oya, take that message again to your errand boys so that they know that the latest recommendation they offered you didn't work as well. Muslims have provided answers but you are not ready to admit that fact. So please let me have answers to my questions and please when giving the answers, let me know the versions you are quoting from, then I will give you other versions that are saying different things. Mr babs787, is it a hard thing to settle this simple question? Show me where in the Qur'an Allah promised a "bridge" over Hell fire, and I'll be okay with that. QED. If Allah did NOT say so at all in any verse (abrogated or otherwise) in the Qur'an, why are you trying to make him say what he did not say? Besides, from where in the Qur'an did your favorite translators find the "bridge" to insert in their own Qur'an that Allah mentioned nothing at all in his own Qur'an? Is that a hard thing to do and settle the small question? Okay please if the Quran didnt mention any bridge, what are they passing over. My questions are still there for you to answer, you will still give me the creature that was crying and also the real age of saul and you will also tell the version you are lifting your answers from. I really don't mind whatever scholars you can consult for your "explanation" or deception. But let your scholars simply bring out the verse in the Qur'an where Allah mentioned the "BRIDGE" over Hell fire - and that is the one simple thing that will clear your pretended scholarship on the Forum. Abi, is that too DIFFICULT for you and your scholars to show? No need doing that since you have already made up your mind and never ready to accept explanation. Here you are, I posed some questions to you saying different things from different versions of your bible but rather than answer the questions, you came up with your usual strategy of avoiding questions. Muslims have answered you, so please provide answers for me too. I came up with those questions just because you have been making fuss of yourself just because a bridge wasnt mention. Applying that to the bible too, one will notice that the versions of the bible arent saying same thing and if you think they are, please provide answers to my qeuestions and where you are lifting same from. I beg una again: please give me the verse - any verse in the entire 114 chapters of the Qur'an - where Allah spoke of a BRIDGE over Hell fire. That is all, and that is simple.
If there are NO deceptions, why is it taking you guys FOREVER to show the verse where you saw the "BRIDGE"? Since you are not ready and up to mischief, please provide answers to my questions and the versions you are lifting from and when you are through, I will provide you other versions going against your own version. Cheers. Thanks |
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this again is more evidence of the hypocrisy that is islam. The title of this topic says - ultimate truth and proof of islam. But as usual since the appologists of islam don't really have any truth or proof (not to talk of ultimate truth), they try to subvert the topic by bringing up their own "shed more light on these christian verses".
This was not about the bible but about islam. stick to the topic if truly islam is not a fraud.
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this again is more evidence of the hypocrisy that is islam. The title of this topic says - ultimate truth and proof of islam. But as usual since the appologists of islam don't really have any truth or proof (not to talk of ultimate truth), they try to subvert the topic by bringing up their own "shed more light on these christian verses". You and your folks are the one behaving funny and avoiding my questions. You raised question on 19 v 71 just because the verse didnt mention bridge and probably the versions didnt use same english language and I brought out some verses from different versions of your bible saying different things. Muslims have provided detailed explanation to the verse but here you are yet to provide same to my question. I am still asking you people to furnish me with answers as to which creation was crying in the wilderness and the age of paul. To be honest with you, you will never be able to do that just because the versions are not saying the same thing. Some may have been as a result of the translators, the language used etc but at the same time, we may at the end of the day arrive at the same conclusion, this is what I have been trying to bring out to you hence my giving you bible verse from different versions. Try to provide explanation to my questions as muslims have done to your nightmare. This was not about the bible but about islam. stick to the topic if truly islam is not a fraud. Sure. If you are talking about fraud, there is no religion that is as fraudulent as CHRISTIANITY. The authors may have used different language in interpreting that verse but it gives same meaning and if you still disagree, please provide explanation to my question and supply the version you are using. We are still on the same topic man |
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