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dblock (m)
Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« on: April 06, 2007, 09:01 AM »

Northern Nigeria is Powerless without the support of the Yoruba

Throughout Nigeria's history there have being "Coup D'états", there have being political struggles and there have being conflicts. People have died, for the sake of Political Justice.

The Biafra Conflict saw;
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Up to 30,000 Igbos were killed in fighting with Hausas, and around 1million refugees fled to their Ibo homeland in the east.



There was instability and dismay, but Biafra could be a country today If the Yorubas wanted it to be.

The Igbos struggle for more prominent role in Nigerian Politics can be accomplished if the Yorubas back them. The Biafran troops didn't lose the war because they were weak, they lost as any other tribe would have lost if they went against the rest of the country.

We talk about ethnicity, and about not seeing ourselvesas different, but a dysfunctional country that knows what it is and what it is made from is better than a functional country in Denial. We have to face the facts before we can ever progress and not sabotage our uniqueness for the sake of Peace. Yoruba will always be different from Hausa and Igbo People, Igbo people will always be different from Yoruba and Hause people as hausa people will always be different Igbo and Yoruba people. Nigeria is split into three major ethnic groups. The truth is Ojukwu is a much better person than IBB, Gowon, Atiku, Kalu or Obasanjo. All the Igbo's that died in the Biafra war hadied in Glory, for I would rather die knowing that I fought for what is right than Live in a system that is wrong.

Like I siad in the previous post this is not about hating nor loving, for a country with hatred and lawlessness but people who know who they are and where they stand is better than a Utopia with people taht keep quiet in Peace.

There is a time in every man's life that they must fight regardless of the consequences, that is what happened in Biafra and that is what is happening in the Niger Delta. A Niger Delta with Militants and Chaos is better than one with poverty but Nobody fighting against it. If I was a slave I would rather die rebelling than Live aimlessly.

Asking for an Igbo president in 2007, is not being ethnic or being unwise. If Yorubas failed Nigeria and Hausas failed Nigeria, why shouldn't the Igbo's get a chance are they inferior?

What did Gowon do for Nigeria.

What did Buhari do for Nigeria.

What did Babaginda do for Nigeria.

What did Abacha do for Nigeria.

What did Abubbakar do for Nigeria.

What did Obasanjo do for Nigeria.

NIGERIA NEEDS A ROTATING SYSTEM. It is only a matter of time before the Yorubas become the next Igbos and another Biafra arises, it is only a matter of time before the Igbo's cry out again. Wether it is stupid, or racial or ethnical It is inevitible. There may be peace today but I doubt there will be peace tommorow. I may be stupid but It will happen unless something is done.

The Niger Delta is a Warning of worse things to come

If you are given a warning will you act or will you sit back and pretend like it is all good.

The Yoruba have kept quiet, for the sake of peace, but it is only a matter of time, before they unite with the Igbos.
Not too long ago, I called Ojukwu a bastard, but today I call him a Hero. I am not Igbo, but if I was alive during Biafra I would have fought for the losing Side
jockey112 (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #1 on: April 06, 2007, 09:22 AM »

@dblock

Asking for an Igbo president in 2007, is not being ethnic or being unwise. If Yorubas failed Nigeria and Hausas failed Nigeria, why shouldn't the Igbo's get a chance are they inferior?

What did Gowon do for Nigeria.

What did Buhari do for Nigeria.

What did Babaginda do for Nigeria.

What did Abacha do for Nigeria.

What did Abubbakar do for Nigeria.

What did Obasanjo do for Nigeria.

i think you are not fair to the youruba nation so to say because out of 6 or seven rulers its only one yoruba ,so how could he have been responsible for the failure of nigeria,when OBJ handed over as a military the nigeria economy wasnt at it worse,one example is aviation industry,OBJ left about 20 or more planes for the then nigeria airways,20 years after we cannot boast of 1 airline ,so what happen between those period , think about it.
one nation ,one people ,one destiny, God bless Nigeria
dblock (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #2 on: April 06, 2007, 09:29 AM »

I am Yoruba myself, and I didn't say that the Yorubas failed Nigeria, I said If (as in Hypothetically yet possibly)

I am Yoruba but I will fight for Igbos if it means that Justice will be served. Even if I am an idiot and just another Nigerian being all ethnically, that doesn't stop the Niger Delta Crisis from continuing. Wether I am crazy or not, If the Nigerian Government doesn't amend the constitution so that it will benefit as much tribes as possible, then there will inevitably be another Civil War.

The Niger Delta is a warning for a greater conflict
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #3 on: April 06, 2007, 07:01 PM »

To dblock,

Thank you for not making me not loose hope, I knew it that there must be some Yoruba people like you, cause if I was a Yoruba, I would  have been having a line of thought like yours, cause the ability to put  yourself in other people's shoe is what that makes a righteous and a good person, and this is what the white man lacks, hence every thing he has ever done is always wrong, from slavery, annihilation of the red Indians, overt racism, invasion of Iraq , you name it, people should follow the example of dblock and let us all be human. I personally voted for Abiola and most Igbos did, the Igbos voted for Obasanjo, would the Yorubas do that for the Igbos, therein the question lyes, please let us all forget about sentiments, let us make our leadership rotational, afterall the EU presidency is rotational, the reason why most African countries are at war is because we Africans don't always try to solve problems when is solvable, be wise NIGERIA.
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #4 on: April 06, 2007, 07:57 PM »

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NIGERIA NEEDS A ROTATING SYSTEM.


I don't support a rotating system for Nigeria. It'll only make ethnic differences more pronounced. soon the edo, efik, uhrobo, ijaws and all the hundreds of little ethnic groups will be asking for their turn. even the major ethnic groups will be divided among themselves over which dialect or subgroup will rule.
it'll become so stupid

instead, i think we should centralize our country like the French did during their revolution. since we can't go back in time to stop the europeans from merging almost entirely different peoples together.  we need to do is make the differences less pronounced rather than more pronounced.

shouldn't nationalism be the way to go, rather than ethnicism, when it comes to politics?  Huh

I don't mind an Igbo president (they've been unduly underrepresented since forever) but the fear that most nigerians have is that since the igbos have tried once to create their own country, they'll only seek their self interest rather than the nation's if one of them is elected to the presidency.
I have this fear myself. Even on nairaland, they create their own separate community. lol

I prefer a centralized/united Nigeria.
this to me is the only benefit of americanization aka "globalization"
yeah we'll lose our cultures and all that if all our youth can't speak their native languages anymore or if they adopt english names, but then differences among us will be less pronounced. just my opinion.


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let us make our leadership rotational, afterall the EU presidency is rotational,
It's not the same. The EU is an organization of different countries in the same region. These individual countries don't have rotational govts.
It'll however make sense if ECOWAS had a rotational govt. 

having a rotational system in Nigeria, we might as well divide the nation into 3 autonomous states with a central govt that's rotating.
fekuti
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #5 on: April 06, 2007, 08:13 PM »

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yeah we\'ll lose our cultures and all that if all our youth can\'t speak their native languages anymore or if they adopt english names, but then differences among us will be less pronounced. just my opinion.
differences will be less pronounced as a result of lingual coherency? hmm.
loss of culture at the expense of experimenting with an unguaranteed speculative idea that \"might\" bring ethnic groups more togetherness?
WesleyanA (f)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #6 on: April 06, 2007, 08:30 PM »

Quote from: fekuti on April 06, 2007, 08:13 PM
differences will be less pronounced as a result of lingual coherency? hmm.
loss of culture at the expense of experimenting with an unguaranteed speculative idea that \"might\" bring ethnic groups more togetherness?

no, not just language. The whole culture, ex. what makes a yoruba different from an igbo etc

you mean that rotation will bring more togetherness among ethnic groups?
you said "experimenting" so you're not sure if it'll work or not but want to try it. I'm not against trying to see if it will work but i'm cynical.

anyways, i'm not promoting "loss of culture" i'm only saying that IT IS HAPPENING ANYWAYS (due to globalization americanization )and that the SOLE benefit to it is the centralization that it's bringing.  ex people intermarrying, speaking a common language, oblivious of the hatred that once existed between them, having common interests etc

I'm not against experimenting to see if rotation might work but my opinion is that it will most likely turn into a mess. we have more than 3 ethnic groups in Nigeria and if we decide to make ethnicity pronounced in our government, other minor ethnicities will take advantage. even the major ones will be divided among themselves.
or, the hausas might say yorubas or igbos are not ruling well or are taking advantage. any law the ethnic govt passes will be shunned by the other groups. it will turn into a power struggle (that' what it is now anyways).
it'll always be a **** verus **** group.
If one group passes a long term law, the other ethnic group comes in, abolishes the law and installs it's own and the cycle goes on and on. and there also will always be bias. I don't think there will be efficiency in that kind of system

i think it'll be a mess but then who knows. maybe i'm just being unnecessarily cynical
fekuti
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #7 on: April 06, 2007, 09:00 PM »

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no, not just language. The whole culture, ex. what makes a yoruba different from an igbo etc
I understand you Ley, but it extends beyond that. People have the natural tendencies that sway them towards being shy, loud, big, small, ghetto, mild-mannered, etc. Though these variety as a whole are shaped by the places we grew up in, the people we associate with also play a big role.  Any possible visions of Utopia will fail to exist unless individuals are able to rise above their stereotypes, prejudice, suspicions, lack of trust, & people who are not like them (people who are not like them in terms of skin color, ethnic affiliation, cultural practices, religion, location, etc).

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you mean that rotation will bring more togetherness among ethnic groups?
No I did not mean that, nor did I tender an opinion on that.  Uniformity is very difficult to bring about, rotation may or may not work, I wouldn\'t know.
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you said \"experimenting\" so you\'re not sure if it\'ll work or not but want to try it. I\'m not against trying to see if it will work but i\'m cynical.
At what costs? at the expense of the people right? that\'s cynicism at work.
We\'re both cynics, selfishness does motivate human actions.

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anyways, i\'m not promoting \"loss of culture\" i\'m only saying that IT IS HAPPENING ANYWAYS (due to globalization americanization )and that the SOLE benefit to it is the centralization that it\'s bringing.  ex people intermarrying, speaking a common language, oblivious of the hatred that once existed between them, having common interests etc
Yes it does happen anyway, but it has always happened, it\'s just slightly more frequent now.  Nigeria is too populous, the impact wouldn\'t be 2 heavy, or too drastic.

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i think it\'ll be a mess but then who knows. maybe i\'m just being unnecessarily cynical
No you were being cogitative and that\'s phenomenal.
I\'D say lobby for your perspective, if you ever get around it, it\'s worth a shot
GNature (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #8 on: April 06, 2007, 09:31 PM »

Quote from: NINETOFIVE on April 06, 2007, 07:01 PM

I personally voted for Abiola and most Igbos did, the Igbos voted for Obasanjo, would the Yorubas do that for the Igbos, therein the question lyes, please let us all forget about sentiments, let us make our leadership rotational, afterall the EU presidency is rotational, the reason why most African countries are at war is because we Africans don't always try to solve problems when is solvable, be wise NIGERIA.[/size]

Ninetofive,

I do realize that an Igbo man should have a short at the Presidency, but you should take the timing into account. Remember OBJ (a Southerner) has been in office for the past 8 years now, so the Northerners are insisting that power must shift to the north.

Its not the yorubas that you really need to convince, its the Northerners ! The Northerners are not going to support anyone short of a Northern candidate for President in 2007.

Think about it - the South south people are going to vote for either Utomi or Goodluck (PDP) and the Northerners are going to vote for a Northern candidate. You can't win the presidency with just the yoruba & igbo votes.

The next time power shifts to the south (4 years ? 8 years ?), you can try to woo the yorubas and the Northerners to support an Igbo for President. Right now, the timing is just not right.

(By the way, I am not necessarily in support of a North/South rotation, but that is the pseudo formula being practiced by our political class to keep the country together).
Tornadoz (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #9 on: April 06, 2007, 11:49 PM »

dblock posted a great article and I wish we had more people like him who love Nigeria rather than those who write articles littered with ethnic sentiments. I am not an Ibo man but now I can see why the Ibos took up arms.
dblock (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #10 on: April 07, 2007, 12:03 PM »

Enough blood has been shed, enough anguish has been felt.
The struggle of Biafra should not be in vain

A rotational electoral system will not fail.
It should consist of Three Geographical Zones.

Northern Nigeria Electoral Zone
Geographical zone, with Hausas, Fulanis and minority tribes.

South Eastern Nigeria Electoral Zone
Geographical zone with Igbos as well as Itsekiris, Ijaws and other minority tribes

South Western Nigeria Electoral Zone
Geographical zone with Yorubas, Edo, Binis and other tribes in the area.

The Electoral system will mean that no tribe is ignored or neglected.



Every four years, power will shift to the Next zone.
I propose it starts like this South Eastern Nigeria Electoral Zone, South Western Nigeria Electoral Zone then Northern Nigeria Electoral Zone. power will rotate every four years

Another good thing about this system is that no politician can be reelected for a second term, unless they are voted for by at least 75% of the Nigerian population in a Phantom Poll

A Phantom poll will be a poll that is held if a president wishes to be elected for a second term. The poll is held at the same time as the normal electoral polls. In a scenario that there be a Phantom poll, voters will vote for a politician from the politician zone of the time as well as the previous president(If he wishes to be re-elected for a 2nd term). If the President gets at least 75% in the Phantom vote, he/she will be eligible to face off the winner of the normal elections to determine the winner of the elections.

An example of a scenario where there might be a phantom vote is;

If Belo Ibrahim a Nigerian form the Northern part of the country rules for 4years but at the end of his tenure wishes to be elected for a 2nd term, even though the designated zone for the elections is the South Eastern Nigeria electoral zone. He will be able to announce a Phantom Vote.

Voters will vote for a politician form South Eastern Nigeria as well as tick wether or not they want Belo Ibrahim to face off the winner of the normal electoral proceedings.

If Belo Ibrahim gathers; 78% in the Phantom vote, he will be eligible to face off the winner of the normal electoral proceedings, since he gathered more than 75%.

If the winner from the South Eastern Nigeria Electoral zone is Chinoso Sunday, Chinoso will face off Belo Ibrahim in an electoral face off, If Belo wins he will be elected for a second term and Chinoso Sunday will be the president once Belo Ibrahim leaves office. If Chinoso dies in that period, another election will be held. Belo Ibrahim will be ineligible to contest, for a third term for it is not permitted in the constitution and he is not from the South Eastern Nigeria Electoral zone.


This procedure guarantees that someone from each of the zones will rule every eight years unless of course there is a phantom vote which may lead to a second term.

This is my solution to a more peaceful Nigeria. Also it will mean that politicians won't be able to be elected for a second term unless 75% of the voters vote Yes. This will mean a better Nigeria Th few tyrants and a revamped society.

We are all Nigerians, we can work together to achieve a better Nigeria. How Igbo brothers have been left unheard for too long.
jockey112 (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #11 on: April 09, 2007, 11:08 AM »

am glad most people ere are talking with a good heart,i could see the bottom line evEryone is saying, is that we want to remain as ONE nation,am not so very comfortable with rotational though,what we need is to continue striving for a united country ,imagine if will all belong to a political party with good intentions to make our country great it would not matter which region the president is coming from.that is the reason we have a national assembly and the lower assembly.


Yeah i think the next government should take the niger delta very seriously,one way to do that is by concentrating the attention of EFCC to their elected leader because no amount of money would do unless there is due process and accountability.Questions need to be ask.

PEACE
ONE NATION
dblock (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #12 on: April 09, 2007, 11:19 AM »

one nation, one people Cheesy
dblock (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #13 on: April 09, 2007, 11:20 AM »

Oh yeah, the thread title is a bit Biased against Northern Nigeria, but I couldn't think of a better title.
laudate
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #14 on: April 11, 2007, 06:13 PM »

Quote from: NINETOFIVE on April 06, 2007, 07:01 PM
I personally voted for Abiola and most Igbos did, the Igbos voted for Obasanjo, would the Yorubas do that for the Igbos, therein the question lyes, please let us all forget about sentiments, let us make our leadership rotational,

Any group that wants another ethnic group to vote for its' own candidate needs to extend a hand of fellowship and respect, to that other ethnic group, whose votes it is trying to win. Rancour, bigotry, rudeness, chest-thumping, and cyberspace wars do NOT win votes.

No one can demand that another group should hand over their votes on a platter. One must work for those votes, seek & pursue them with all the legitimate means at one's disposal. And with all the respect and decorum that one can muster.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #15 on: April 11, 2007, 09:20 PM »

Quote from: laudate on April 11, 2007, 06:13 PM
Any group that wants another ethnic group to vote for its' own candidate needs to extend a hand of fellowship and respect,


I guess is very plain for everybody to see that, that is exactly what you are doing here, in the mist of these big sea of Igbo hating threads and views, unfortunately one can not consider any of these an Extension of fellowship hand and respect, your biasness makes you sound very staged sometimes, do you have the opportunity of listening to yourself sometimes, the Igbos voted for those candidates because of southern solidarity, which you guys lacks, is really a shame on you peoples parts, that is what they call traitors, you still wonder why the issue of trust is always comming up, we are southerners right?.




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to that other ethnic group, whose votes it is trying to win. Rancour, bigotry, rudeness, chest-thumping, and cyberspace wars do NOT win votes.

No one can demand that another group should hand over their votes on a platter. One must work for those votes, seek & pursue them with all the legitimate means at one's disposal. And with all the respect and decorum that one can muster.



blah  blah blah.





IF YOU GUYS ARE SOUTHERNERS AND YOU SUPPORT THE NORTH IS REALLY A BIG SHAME
Tornadoz (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #16 on: April 12, 2007, 12:26 AM »

@NINETOFIVE
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IF YOU GUYS ARE SOUTHERNERS AND YOU SUPPORT THE NORTH IS REALLY A BIG SHAME
Last time I checked, Northerners are Nigerians also.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #17 on: April 12, 2007, 01:27 AM »

Quote from: Tornadoz on April 12, 2007, 12:26 AM
@NINETOFIVELast time I checked, Northerners are Nigerians also.

the last time I checked, when  ever they want to carry out their maiming of the Southerners they don't consider the fact that we are all Nigerians, if you don't have anything  reasonable to say, please don't wast me time, quit being ludic.
laudate
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #18 on: April 12, 2007, 01:13 PM »

Quote from: NINETOFIVE on April 11, 2007, 09:20 PM

I guess is very plain for everybody to see that, that is exactly what you are doing here, in the mist of these big sea of Igbo hating threads and views, unfortunately one can not consider any of these an Extension of fellowship hand and respect, your biasness makes you sound very staged sometimes, do you have the opportunity of listening to yourself sometimes, the Igbos voted for those candidates because of southern solidarity, which you guys lacks, is really a shame on you peoples parts, that is what they call traitors, you still wonder why the issue of trust is always comming up, we are southerners right?.


How sad. Should I reply, or shouldn't I? Nah!

There is no need for me to dignify your diatribe with a response. So I'll just walk away & let you wallow in ignorance.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #19 on: April 13, 2007, 12:24 AM »

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Quote from: NINETOFIVE on April 11, 2007, 09:20 PM

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I guess is very plain for everybody to see that, that is exactly what you are doing here, in the mist of these big sea of Igbo hating threads and views, unfortunately one can not consider any of these an Extension of fellowship hand and respect, your biasness makes you sound very staged sometimes, do you have the opportunity of listening to yourself sometimes, the Igbos voted for those candidates because of southern solidarity, which you guys lacks, is really a shame on you peoples parts, that is what they call traitors, you still wonder why the issue of trust is always comming up, we are southerners right?.



How sad. Should I reply, or shouldn't I? Nah!

There is no need for me to dignify your diatribe with a response. So I'll just walk away & let you wallow in ignorance.
 
 
 




You can play this ball game with other people not me, cause I knew it already that you can't counter this, cause my points hits real hard, is all about number 6, off you pusillanimously stroll away in great disappointment, next!.
laudate
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #20 on: April 13, 2007, 12:32 PM »

Quote from: NINETOFIVE on April 13, 2007, 12:24 AM
You can play this ball game with other people not me, cause I knew it already that you can't counter this, cause my points hits real hard, is all about number 6, off you pusillanimously stroll away in great disappointment, next!.

Play games with 'who'?? You?? Kai! Puh-leeze don't flatter yourself! What tawdry points are you trying to make? And who are you trying to impress with the empty rhetoric and gargatuan words, you keep throwing around? You don't even know their meaning, because you keep using them in the wrong context. Please take your narrow, warped perspective elsewhere & stick it where the sun doesn't shine!

 *Hiss*


P.S. There is no word such as 'biasness' in the dictionary*
mrpataki (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #21 on: April 13, 2007, 12:53 PM »

Are we really one in this country, I read Babayosisi's ppost earlier in another topic which Seun has now locked up and reading some jargons here again, I wonder why don't we just split and go our separate ways.
laudate
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #22 on: April 13, 2007, 01:02 PM »

Quote from: mrpataki on April 13, 2007, 12:53 PM
Are we really one in this country, I read Babayosisi's ppost earlier in another topic which Seun has now locked up and reading some jargons here again, I wonder why don't we just split and go our separate ways.

I really do wish Seun had left that thread open. There were a few rejoinders that still needed to be made to that tribalistic brigade, including their chief Nine-to-Five. The major sins they accuse others of committing, are the same ones they wallow in, themselves.

Abeg jare, make we leave matter for Matthias.

Thank God, the average Nigerian on the streets irrespective of his or her ethnic background, does not think in the same bigoted mode, that they do. It is the ones in cyberspace, that stoke old fires with their inflammatory comments, and bash those who refuse to be drawn into their sick war of words.
Imani (f)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #23 on: April 13, 2007, 01:16 PM »

Quote from: laudate on April 13, 2007, 01:02 PM
I really do wish Seun had left that thread open. There were a few rejoinders that still needed to be made to that tribalistic brigade, including their chief Nine-to-Five. The major sins they accuse others of committing, are the same ones they wallow in, themselves.

Abeg jare, make we leave matter for Matthias.

Thank God, the average Nigerian on the streets irrespective of his or her ethnic background, does not think in the same bigoted mode, that they do. It is the ones in cyberspace, that stoke old fires with their inflammatory comments, and bash those who refuse to be drawn into their sick war of words.

@ Laudate,

Do you really need to always defend your views?

You are entitled to your opinions irrespective of what others think. You can't win either way. Damn if you do, damn if you don't.

I think some nairalanders don't seem to understand that while i may not support your stance, i don't have to condemn it.

The 'cyber bullying' should stop as threads are now getting very personal.
Imani (f)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #24 on: April 13, 2007, 01:25 PM »

@ Topic,


While the rotating leadership may be a good idea in the short run, however, there will always be the treat of sabatage in the long run. 


African leaders are known for their 'sit in power for decades' attititude.
laudate
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #25 on: April 13, 2007, 01:43 PM »

Quote from: Imani on April 13, 2007, 01:16 PM
@ Laudate,

Do you really need to always defend your views?

You are entitled to your opinions irrespective of what others think. You can't win either way. Damn if you do, damn if you don't.

I think some Nairaland users don't seem to understand that while i may not support your stance, i don't have to condemn it.

The 'cyber bullying' should stop as threads are now getting very personal.

Imani, I understand your point. Unfortunately, very few seem to share this view. And I have realised that not everyone has the maturity or common sense, to address issues at face value. They must always impute wrong motives, or ascribe a sinister purpose to anyone whose ideas do not tally with their own.

There is one thing I have discovered on Nairaland. There is a tribalistic cabal here. If anyone makes a comment that doesn't fit into their preconcieved ideas, they jump on that person's tail, tar him with libellious adjectives, going from one thread to another. Why??

Facts are sacred, but comments are free. If an individual does not agree with the next person's opinion, then he should kindly point out the parts that are erroneous with as much decorum as possible, and cite facts and figures or give links where available, to support such statements. A lot of learning takes place this way.

But will the cabal ever allow this to happen? No. They jump on the poster's trail & pour out invectives, without giving concise facts, figures or coherent logic to disprove or dispel what has has been said. They even condemn those who do not share their mindless propensity for hate. What happens next? A lot of mudslinging takes place, and any good points being made, gets lost. Go through the various threads and you'll see what I mean. It is sad.

Peace. Imani, am out.
4 Play (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #26 on: April 13, 2007, 02:01 PM »

Quote from: laudate on April 13, 2007, 01:43 PM
There is one thing I have discovered on Nairaland. There is a tribalistic cabal here. If anyone makes a comment that doesn't fit into their preconcieved ideas, they jump on that person's tail, tar him with libellious adjectives, going from one thread to another. Why??
 

I suppose from your past experience on Nairaland,this tribalistic cabal is an Igbo cabal.What should we do about this cabal?  Grin

You have the same mindset as this cabal than you are prepared to admit.No one expects you to come out and state "I am a tribalist",what they expect you to do is to stop preaching  against something you are-a tribalist  Grin

Imani (f)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #27 on: April 13, 2007, 02:15 PM »

I have learnt a lot of big grammer on Nairaland! Grin. I had to check google for the word cabal.


@ 4Play,

Oga, please take it easy with laudate Wink.

Maybe it is about time you two should kiss and make up.  Grin and become good friends if possible.

4 Play (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #28 on: April 13, 2007, 02:25 PM »

Quote from: Imani on April 13, 2007, 02:15 PM
@ 4Play,

Oga, please take it easy with laudate Wink.

Maybe it is about time you two should kiss and make up.  Grin and become good friends if possible.

In the whole of Nairaland,Laudate has no Igbo friends,which I guess is a mere coincidence  Grin  She/he has never had a good word spoken of he/her on the racism threads from an Igbo person,another coincidence  Grin

So let me break the mould and tell Laudate that she/he is intelligent,real,de-tribalised and a true Nigerian.Anybody who can't see the above qualities in Laudate belongs to a tribal cabal  Grin 
laudate
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #29 on: April 13, 2007, 04:52 PM »

Quote from: 4 Play on April 13, 2007, 02:01 PM
I suppose from your past experience on Nairaland,this tribalistic cabal is an Igbo cabal.What should we do about this cabal? Grin

You have the same mindset as this cabal than you are prepared to admit.No one expects you to come out and state "I am a tribalist",what they expect you to do is to stop preaching against something you are-a tribalist Grin

Quote from: 4 Play on April 13, 2007, 02:25 PM
In the whole of Nairaland,Laudate has no Igbo friends,which I guess is a mere coincidence  Grin  She/he has never had a good word spoken of he/her on the racism threads from an Igbo person,another coincidence  Grin

So let me break the mould and tell Laudate that she/he is intelligent,real,de-tribalised and a true Nigerian.Anybody who can't see the above qualities in Laudate belongs to a tribal cabal  Grin 


Imani, can you see what I mean?? Pity. 4play went round to conduct a census.

@4play, you need help!! Oya, you can have the floor and dish out all the abuse you want. Get it off your chest. It will make you feel better!
dblock (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #30 on: April 14, 2007, 04:19 AM »

Nigeria doesn't need a rotational system. But I and qualified analysts foresee a civil war. Biafra Nigeria's first and hopefully last civil war was the result of a scramble for power. A rotational system then, would have prevented a war. Nigeria is not in a state right now that requires a rotational system, but Nigeria is moving in that direction and quite quickly.

I don't think there is one Igbo that will say; "I'm alright with northern Nigeria ruling te country for eternity". If the Igbos want a fair share, why shouldn't they get a fair share. What is so tribalistic or wrong about ehm getting a fair share?
The reason I proposed a rotational system is becuase that is the only way that they can get power, if you take into account how much The North Love power.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #31 on: April 14, 2007, 04:44 PM »



To Laudate,

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Play games with 'who'?? You?? Kai! Puh-leeze don't flatter yourself! What tawdry points are you trying to make? And who are you trying to impress with the empty rhetoric and gargatuan words, you keep throwing around? You don't even know their meaning, because you keep using them in the wrong context. Please take your narrow, warped perspective elsewhere & stick it where the sun doesn't shine!

 


I equally knew that frustration would eventually drive you towards bankole's style of mud slinging, when all hope is lost apparently, the motorpark boy tendencies in you starts to evince, you must be a complete animal insinuating that am trying to impress you, a low life;

should I be impressing you in English, should I be impressing in French, should i be impressing in German, should i be impressing you in Arabic, should I be impressing you in Russia or Polish, Ukrainian, Igbo, Yoruba etc, you must have a lot of nerve spewing that kind of crap and infesting this thread with banality, if you think you can save face with some superficial crap, you are wasting your time cause am waiting for you to counter the well layed argument I presented to you,

I 've never looked at any of your write ups with any interest rather getting the information you are putting across, to bombard you with points you can not counter, and this a tradition I intend to uphold, if that relegates you in any way, it wasn't intentional, now quit whining and face the issue at hand.

Note

Please get your spellings right next time [gargantuan], cause that may render your post useless, but note that I would never go through this lane with you ever again, this kind of services costs money.
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