Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas

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laudate
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #32 on: April 15, 2007, 02:20 PM »

Quote from: NINETOFIVE on April 14, 2007, 04:44 PM

To Laudate,


I equally knew that frustration would eventually drive you towards bankole's style of mud slinging, when all hope is lost apparently, the motorpark boy tendencies in you starts to evince, you must be a complete animal insinuating that am trying to impress you, a low life;

should I be impressing you in English, should I be impressing in French, should i be impressing in German, should i be impressing you in Arabic, should I be impressing you in Russia or Polish, Ukrainian, Igbo, Yoruba etc, you must have a lot of nerve spewing that kind of crap and infesting this thread with banality, if you think you can save face with some superficial crap, you are wasting your time cause am waiting for you to counter the well layed argument I presented to you,

I 've never looked at any of your write ups with any interest rather getting the information you are putting across, to bombard you with points you can not counter, and this a tradition I intend to uphold, if that relegates you in any way, it wasn't intentional, now quit whining and face the issue at hand.

Note

Please get your spellings right next time [gargantuan], cause that may render your post useless, but note that I would never go through this lane with you ever again, this kind of services costs money.


Nine-To-five, you never presented any well-laid out points, rather you waffled around a bit, and launched into a ridiculous orgy of Laudate-bashing in your 15th post, on this thread. The only people who have presented relevant points so far, have been dblock, fekuti, WesleyanA, jockey etc.

So quit pointing fingers at Laudate, when you hold the world's greatest record in 'whining'. And kindly stop trying to compare me with Bankole01. Face the facts. That guy lashed out at you on an earlier thread, and I called him to order. What was your response at that time? A meek "thank you!" Then, you tried to turn the thread into a Bankole01 v. Nine-to-five title fight. I stepped in, because I was watching a sequence of events unfold, and in your usual spoil-sport manner, you were trying to derail that thread by picking a fight with him. Do you remember? Good.

You said nothing then, but turned round almost a month later, to launch an attack on Laudate in a totally different thread by calling Laudate 'pretentious,' when Laudate had not addressed any remarks to you! Why did you wait that long?! I guess, its' because your tribalistic cohorts were taking pot-shots at Laudate, and you just had to hop on the band-wagon. Hypocrite!! You were too quick to repay good with evil.

As for mud slinging, you remain the resident expert in it. Everyone can confirm this, at a glance. Your previous encounters with several members of this forum, on other threads are a good example.

Finally you went to the dictionary to search for the meaning of  [gargantuan]. Well! I must congratulate you for finally doing something useful. You picked out a 'typo' & elevated it into a complaint. What a joke!!

One last word: Stop talking about trying to impress me. There is nothing you can have, hold, show or can ever even say, that would ever impress me. Now, buzz off. And kindly get a life!
dblock (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #33 on: April 15, 2007, 02:26 PM »

The issue at hand peoples, the issue at hand
laudate
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #34 on: April 15, 2007, 02:36 PM »

Quote from: dblock on April 15, 2007, 02:26 PM
The issue at hand peoples, the issue at hand

Forgive me, dblock. Didn't mean to digress from the topic.

Maybe the nation should go back to the former regional structure it had in the sixties, as stipulated in The Regional Constitutions i.e. the 1960 and 1963 Constitutions. Each Region back then, was "a self-governing Region of the Federal Republic of Nigeria" with economic independence. Those regions were run along the lines of the regional structure, that you outlined in your previous posts. But a fourth region may need to be added .i.e.The Middle Belt. Under Abacha, a six-region structure was proposed, when the idea of rotational presidency was first mooted. But that idea died a natural death.

The structure of government in the early to mid-sixties, has been well-documented by various scholars. "Powers within the country were shared between the federal or central authority, and a number of regionalised governments, allowing each unit, including this central authority, to exist as a government separately and independently from the others, operating directly on persons and property with its territorial area, with a will of its own and its own apparatus for the conduct of affairs, and with an authority in some matters exclusive of all others" as described by Itse Sagay, a professor of law, in his article FEDERALISM, THE CONSTITUTION AND RESOURCE CONTROL.

The centre was weak, but the regions had more autonomy & ability to direct their affairs as they saw fit. And they all co-existed under the umbrella of one country - Nigeria. Elections into the legislature were keenly contested, and it saw non-indigenes from other parts of the country, emerging as representatives in areas different from their own respective home towns. Someone like Umoru Altine became Mayor of Enugu, while Lagos had Mazi Mbonu Ojike as the deputy Mayor of Lagos, and Chief (Mrs). Mercy Eneli from Obosi, on the Lagos city council.

For rotational presidency to succeed, there must be a strong rule of law in place, massive education of the citizenry, and a willingness to adhere to the principles of the Constitution. Checks & balances must also be entrenched, to ensure that if one man from a particular region becomes president, he will not 'under-develop' other regions at the expense of 'developing' his own area. And contestants at each regional level, would still need to reach out across their ethnic enclaves to form alliances, not just with other ethnic groups in their region, but with other ethnic groups across Nigeria. An Ijaw man contesting under the auspices of a Niger-Delta region that includes the Itsekiri, the Efik or Ibibio, the Anang etc. would still have to form relationships and alliances with each of these groups, in order to win. And then he would have to reach out across the ethnic divide, to win the trust and votes of other larger ethnic groups. Politics is a game of numbers. Even if all the members of one ethnic group vote for its' own candidate, those votes are still not enough to take such a man to Aso Rock. And that is where problems may arise.

So how would I cast my vote? I would vote for a return to the regional structure, not a rotational presidency. Each region then, witnessed more development in those short years, than we have seen under the unitary system which has held sway, till date.
4 Play (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #35 on: April 15, 2007, 11:03 PM »

Balderdash and piffle
dblock (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #36 on: April 19, 2007, 01:09 PM »

@ Laudete
But under the old constitution which ethnic gripus were the most active in governing the regions.
What where the regions, was it simply North, S.West, S.East?
Wouldn't this lead to the original problem?

I have an even better idea that I think is better than the 1960/1963 constitution or a Rotational system

**How about an extremely accurate census is carried out (The most acurate census in the world)
**Then Stats are observed, and information is gathered.
**Money from Foriegn Reserves and Non Oil income earners are allocated according to population and population only.
**Even if the money is earned in Kwara, andKwara already has it's fair share of allocations the money would be distributed to Yobe for example (Each state recieves funds according to population, production is not taken into consideration.
**The money is managed by The Governors of each state(elected by the people of the state)

A calender is drawn up that has every recognised ethic group.
**Each ethnic group gets 4 years in office, then the another ethnic group takes over.
**If Ethic group A rules for years now, they'll have to wait 200-300 years for their next turn.
**Because this system is a test of pataience, the Vice president is awarded more power, and he/she may come from any background.
**The V.P makes more decisions

The calender will be like the chinese calender.
**Eg. Year of the Igbo, Year of the Ibibio, Year of the Yoruba, Year of the Fulani, Year of the Hausa etc.

Under this new systme, even if the President is corrupt, as long as funds make their way to the local Government people will enjoy a High Standard of Living. Each state has no excuse for lack of development and each state has equal opportunity.
 
laudate
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #37 on: April 19, 2007, 03:55 PM »

Quote from: dblock on April 19, 2007, 01:09 PM
@ Laudete
But under the old constitution which ethnic gripus were the most active in governing the regions.
What where the regions, was it simply North, S.West, S.East?
Wouldn't this lead to the original problem?

Under the old constitution, the regions were
a). Northern Region (covered the entire Northern Region from old Kabba Province to Maiduguri);
b). Western Region (covered the entire South-western states including present-day Edo & Delta states);
c). Eastern Region. (covered the entire South-eastern states from Onitsha to Port-Harcourt);

Each one was administered by a Premier, and a Deputy Premier. The 4th region was created much later via a plebiscite from the old Western region i.e Mid-Western Region. It comprised of the old Benin/Edo communites as well as most of what is now known as the Delta-Igbo communities.

Quote from: dblock on April 19, 2007, 01:09 PM

I have an even better idea that I think is better than the 1960/1963 constitution or a Rotational system

**How about an extremely accurate census is carried out (The most acurate census in the world)
**Then Stats are observed, and information is gathered.
**Money from Foriegn Reserves and Non Oil income earners are allocated according to population and population only.
**Even if the money is earned in Kwara, andKwara already has it's fair share of allocations the money would be distributed to Yobe for example (Each state recieves funds according to population, production is not taken into consideration.
**The money is managed by The Governors of each state(elected by the people of the state)

Yes, getting an accurate census is a good idea. But allocating the money according to poulation and poulation only, would deprive some areas of fiscal autonomy or the chance to admister their God-given resources properly, in a way that would benefit the areas where such resources are mined or found.

The election of governors in each state, has traditionally been the function of the electorate in that state, but unfortunately, most of the time, 'rigging' and other corrupt practices have often deprived the electorate of the chance to put their own candidate in power. Currently, don't  the governors of each state manage or handle the money allocated to their states? What has been the result? Only a few like Gov. Donal Duke have used their state's funds judiciously.

Quote from: dblock on April 19, 2007, 01:09 PM
A calender is drawn up that has every recognised ethic group.
**Each ethnic group gets 4 years in office, then the another ethnic group takes over.
**If Ethic group A rules for years now, they'll have to wait 200-300 years for their next turn.
**Because this system is a test of pataience, the Vice president is awarded more power, and he/she may come from any background.
**The V.P makes more decisions

The calender will be like the chinese calender.
**Eg. Year of the Igbo, Year of the Ibibio, Year of the Yoruba, Year of the Fulani, Year of the Hausa etc.

Under this new systme, even if the President is corrupt, as long as funds make their way to the local Government people will enjoy a High Standard of Living. Each state has no excuse for lack of development and each state has equal opportunity.

Hmmmn, now this is going to be a bit sticky. If each year all the presidential candidates are to come from a specific region, the the struggle for power will now occur among the various aspirants of that region or ethnic group. It still doesn't seem to be a clear-cut issue.

What would happen if we have a Niger-Delta Region for example, and it is now the turn of that region to produce a president under the rotational system? If that region were to include the Itsekiri, the Ijaw, the Kalabari, the Efik, Ibibio, Anang etc. for instance, it means those ethnic groups could get caught up in a power struggle, within their region, just to produce only one candidate to represent the country.

Don't forget that Nigeria has over 250 ethnic groups. Rotation would mean that if a power struggle were to ensue, the region could eventually suffer from splinter groups emerging from the much smaller ethnic groups, who would also want to take their turn at having a shot at the presidency! Don't you think each ethnic group would clamour for the presidency to be rotated to their own group? What would then be the remedy?
lewa (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #38 on: April 19, 2007, 08:56 PM »

Interesting comment~laudate is a she;UNILAG campus girl;attended MEDILAG!Laudate i think i know you now
No invectives please!
4 Play (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #39 on: April 20, 2007, 12:47 AM »

Quote from: lewa on April 19, 2007, 08:56 PM
Interesting comment~laudate is a she;UNILAG campus girl;attended MEDILAG!Laudate i think i know you now
No invectives please!

We sabi say na she ,the question is why is she always pretending ? Grin
blue-sky (f)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #40 on: April 20, 2007, 12:48 AM »

isnt Laudate a female name  Huh

edit: what does laudate mean? I'm not sure what sex he/she be
lewa (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #41 on: April 20, 2007, 01:21 AM »

Well noticed she's nowhere to be seen on the politics forum;moreover close analysis of all her posts reveal an "effeminate" touch~conclusion -she;masquerading as he
dblock (m)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #42 on: April 20, 2007, 06:26 AM »

Alright I will comment on the actual reason why I created this thread.

The reason the North has so much political power, is becuase the Yoruba back them. The second the Yoruba Isolate themselves from the North, will be the second that Northern Nigeria loses it's might.

1993 was meant to be a consolation prize for the Yoruba, to keep them silent. It didn't go well, the elctions were annauled. The North knew that they had to orgnaise another Consolation prize, so 1999 was handed to the Yoruba. The North know that they need the Yoruba to maintain their political stance. I believe the Igbo are tolerating their political situation, and the North are contnueing to award Consolation prizes to the Yoruba every 8-16 years.

So will the Yoruba speak their mind, and question the political system, or will they speak out for themselves. 
laudate
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #43 on: April 23, 2007, 05:14 PM »

Quote from: dblock on April 20, 2007, 06:26 AM
Alright I will comment on the actual reason why I created this thread.

The reason the North has so much political power, is becuase the Yoruba back them. The second the Yoruba Isolate themselves from the North, will be the second that Northern Nigeria loses it's might.

1993 was meant to be a consolation prize for the Yoruba, to keep them silent. It didn't go well, the elctions were annauled. The North knew that they had to orgnaise another Consolation prize, so 1999 was handed to the Yoruba. The North know that they need the Yoruba to maintain their political stance. I believe the Igbo are tolerating their political situation, and the North are contnueing to award Consolation prizes to the Yoruba every 8-16 years.

So will the Yoruba speak their mind, and question the political system, or will they speak out for themselves.

Can't speak for the Yoruba, but one thing I know is that 1993, was NOT a consolation prize to anybody!

Moshood Kashimawo Abiola vied for the presidency, put his money where his mouth was, ran an effective campaign and built friendships and relationships through out the length and breadth of Nigeria. He reached out and touched the lives of many communities, by providing them with a range of ammenities, from potable drinking water to boreholes and educational scholarships. He had an image that was larger than life. Kindly check the records and please stick to the facts! In fact, he was one of the largest donors to Imo State University in the East, and he redeeemed his pledge promptly at the endowment fund of the institution, at a time when other moneybags, were making unfulfilled promises. In return, people turned out massively to vote for him nationwide, despite the Muslim-Muslim ticket that he presented, during his campaign. So how does the issue of consolation arise?

Please kindly stick to the facts. The facts of Abiola's candidature & his campaign are there for all to see. If that victory was meant to be a consolation, why the heck was it anulled by Ibrahim Babangida, who was also a Northerner? Or was IBB a Yoruba man?
laudate
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #44 on: April 23, 2007, 05:16 PM »

Quote from: lewa on April 19, 2007, 08:56 PM
Interesting comment~laudate is a she;UNILAG campus girl;attended MEDILAG!Laudate i think i know you now
No invectives please!

Where is the proof that Laudate attended Medilag? Kindly desist from peddling falsehood.

Quote from: lewa on April 20, 2007, 01:21 AM
Well noticed she's nowhere to be seen on the politics forum;moreover close analysis of all her posts reveal an "effeminate" touch~conclusion -she;masquerading as he

Your obsession with Laudate's gender leaves a lot to be desired.
laudate
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #45 on: April 23, 2007, 05:24 PM »

Quote from: 4 Play on April 20, 2007, 12:47 AM
We sabi say na she ,the question is why is she always pretending ? Grin

If you have nothing to say, then please find another thread that is suitable for your limited and juvenile contributions.
sisimose (f)
Re: Northern Nigeria Is Powerless Without The Suport Of The Yorubas
« #46 on: April 23, 2007, 05:28 PM »

even if laudate is female wetin concern anybody?

back to topic
yes northern Nigeria is powerless without the support of Yorubas and also why is it that OBJ has been against supporting a southern leader this time around?
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