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Omo Eko (f)
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If rappers can go around calling females hoes , slut and Nappy headed in their songs, i see no problem in someone else saying the same thing.
I don't see nothing wrong in what the guy said.
Everything a white person says something, this black people cry around begging for judgment.
I don't think the guy should be fired
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4 Play (m)
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I do feel its laughable for a middle aged man to defend his deplorable remarks by effectively saying-Snoop Dogg made me say it He and he alone is responsible for his remarks.The excuse that rappers use those same terms is ludicrous.
I do however think its overkill for him to be sacked from the radio.Its even more laughable that the campaign against him is led by the likes of Sharpton and Jackson,2 people who have made racist remarks in the past
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ThiefOfHearts (f)
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lol the man was just trying to get some "street cred" 4Play
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sisimose (f)
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Imus deserved what he got jare, while its wrong to use those terms generally, its a totally different thing IMO for a white man to feel he has the right to say the same thing, who gave him the right? Besides, such terms are not allowed on radio generally, but to use a racially descriptive term on national radio is untenable - double standard or not.
i second that. as long as I'm not calling you a moron, sisi why exactly would it bother you?
I believe they are moronic because they are against advancement, they just want to continue to cry racism for the rest of their lives. That's the act of a moron.
i wont exactly loose sleep over the remark itself. My point is how does name calling help in a discussion? where you win engagement in a discussion is by putting across your view very clearly and where you loose engagement is by name calling. This what i wanted to draw your attention to and don't tell me you ''don't care whether you engage people or not'' because i refuse to accept you come here to just talk without anyone listening, receiving or actually responding to you, this would be classed as ''  =you know what''. you get my drift?  . I thought your intial post was BANG ON , fair dos.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Make una all go sit down, Russians call themselves ''PIANISA'' [drunks], call a Russian ''PIANISA'' one day , and see if they would not cut off your head, you people always feel that deffending every shyt white people do with excuses makes you intelligent, but I would disappoint you, that is not the case, Imus was not under any obligation to use those words period.
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WesleyanA (f)
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Make una all go sit down, Russians call themselves ''PIANISA'' [drunks], call a Russian ''PIANISA'' one day , and see if they would not cut off your head, you people always feel that deffending every shyt white people do with excuses makes you intelligent, but I would disappoint you, that is not the case, Imus was not under any obligation to use those words period.
no one's defending imus. i said he got what he deserves (even thought the suspension would have made more sense) but I hope you don't go around calling black females "bitches" and "hoes." Since it's okay for blacks to do that to ourselves thinking others won't get a message from it. and I thought you hated the Russians (you were ranting against them in some other thread) and since when did they become an example for blacks to follow? funny how the women see the double standard in this while the men didn't. Sisimose doesn't count. (the feminist thread proves that  ) j/k
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ThiefOfHearts (f)
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His white wife is probably Russian. He talks about them quite often
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sisimose (f)
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no one's defending imus. i said he got what he deserves (even thought the suspension would have made more sense) but I hope you don't go around calling black females "bitches" and "hoes." Since it's okay for blacks to do that to ourselves thinking others won't get a message from it. and I thought you hated the Russians (you were ranting against them in some other thread) and since when did they become an example for blacks to follow? funny how the women see the double standard in this while the men didn't. Sisimose doesn't count. (the feminist thread proves that  ) j/k lmao
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sisimose (f)
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Sisimose doesn't count. (the feminist thread proves that ) j/k whacha talking about wessy? 
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WesleyanA (f)
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whacha talking about wessy?  my bad. i went on the first page and saw that amobi & rikkygen were guys too. so i guess it's not a guy v girl thing. 'cause i thought it was and you weren't on our side 
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sisimose (f)
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lmao so i tipped the balance again? awww so sorry love, damn! 
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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no one's defending imus. i said he got what he deserves (even thought the suspension would have made more sense) but I hope you don't go around calling black females "bitches" and "hoes." Since it's okay for blacks to do that to ourselves thinking others won't get a message from it. and I thought you hated the Russians (you were ranting against them in some other thread) and since when did they become an example for blacks to follow? funny how the women see the double standard in this while the men didn't. Sisimose doesn't count. (the feminist thread proves that  ) j/k White people too uses the word ''red necks'' on themselves, particularly on those ones from the south, but would that give you the audacity to call them red necks , hell no, cause that would be the last time you ever say that, they said Britney Spears is a red neck, even in a documentary. Arguing about the stopage of the derogative words and the profanity black People peddle among themselves is a different ball game from what Imus did, now smarten up cause you do this all the time, love yourself. Am an African for Gods sake, I don't use the word Nigga or ho, my making mention of Russia here is pretty much in context with this discussion.
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WesleyanA (f)
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White people too uses the word ''red necks'' on themselves, particularly on those ones from the south, but would that give you the audacity to call them red necks , hell no, cause that would be the last time you ever say that, they said Britney Spears is a red neck, even in a documentary. Arguing about the stopage of the derogative words and the profanity black People peddle among themselves is a different ball game from what Imus did, now smarten up cause you do this all the time, love yourself. Am an African for Gods sake, I don't use the word Nigga or ho, my making mention of Russia here is pretty much in context with this discussion.
I guess you made an undeniable point. but it still doesn't match up. The way we blacks abuse ourselves w/ our everyday speech, in media etc is nothing compared to what others refer to themselves as. I personally can condemn imus 'cause i don't use those provocative words either. but there are those who do these stupid things non stop and they scream loudest about the imus thing. why are they surprised?  Noooooooooo(lol) !!!! they call Britney Spears "white trash" what documentary was that?
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LuvinGuy (m)
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The real problem is hiphop culture. When Bill Cosby brought up this problem, what did the black community do? Didnt they all cry like idiots complaining that he didnt know what he was talking about blah blah. A fellow black person showed them their problem and they couldnt accept it. Hypocritical morons
I somewhat agree w/ you but in the case of rap its messages relate to youth in low-income communities where there are fewer options. The lyrics typically describe an artist's rise to fame and fortune through criminal activities which is an all-to-tragic reality in certain areas. The success these ghetto kids see rappers having coming from similar situations and the glorification of that success makes their actions more appealing. Kids in the suburbs and affluent communities are obviously less likely to take the messages of the lyrics to heart because those messages don't really apply to them, they are more interested in the beats and catchy wording of the songs. Where a teenager from a wealthy community hears about a rapper "slinging rock" its just a phrase that rhymes with "loading my glock". However, there are people where those phrases are a reality in their neighborhood.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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you see, you don't know every thing, do you?, they said Britney Spears is a red neck quote me, the reason why black people started using the word Nigga on themselves can be explained with an Igbo saying that says, if you know the song your enemy would sing to you, sing it and dance to it at your home before going to meet your enemy. haven't you hard of a documentary called ''Britney Spears red neck root''?
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ThiefOfHearts (f)
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what does living in the ghetto have to do with calling women of your race different nasty names though, LivingGuy.
Talib and co all rap about the same stuff but they arent derogatory about it.
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sisimose (f)
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if you know the song your enemy would sing to you, sing it and dance to it at your home before going to meet your enemy. very interesting saying. I like it. i can see the psychology behind it. yes i can see it 
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4 Play (m)
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Would it make any sense if any of you ladies where called a "nappy headed ho" by a middle aged white man,and his response was "black rappers say it too" ?
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babyosisi (f)
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Would it make any sense if any of you ladies where called a "nappy headed ho" by a middle aged white man,and his response was "black rappers say it too" ?
I wouldn't feel better if a black man said it either!!
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LuvinGuy (m)
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what does living in the ghetto have to do with calling women of your race different nasty names though, LivingGuy.
Degrading woman is part of gangsta rap, which is disseminated throughout the "hood", by the influence of mainsteam. Talib and co all rap about the same stuff but they arent derogatory about it.
How many MC's or rappers like Talib Kweli (sp?) are put out on the mainstreams as opposed to the underground nowadays? The ghetto is solely exposed to the rap that's patronized by the mainsteam, like MTV (i.e gangsta rap). This isn't '93 anymore. Good, clean rap has become extinct. Todays Hip Hop era is like the baseball's version of the dead-ball era. . . .DEAD
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4 Play (m)
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@Everybody How do I get to the "jokes" thread?
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LuvinGuy (m)
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very interesting saying. I like it. i can see the psychology behind it. yes i can see it  Homer.
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soulpatrol (f)
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hmm. its like there's no winning this debate sha. black people don't want to be called the n-word or bitches and hoes by non-blacks, yet they call each other just that. at the same time, white people think its ok to call them bitches and hoes because they see blacks calling themselves that too. who's to blame in all this hot mess? i'm just curious to know what the next step will be amidst all of this, just like Oprah asked. "What's next?" where is all of this going to lead to? will there be any significant changes or are these races going to continue to fester in their ignorance? i would like to see the outcome of all of this; hopefully they'll begin to implement a lasting solution to it. might take a while, but is worth trying.
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WesleyanA (f)
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they said Britney Spears is a red neck quote me
I don't doubt that. lol the tone in my post came out different than I intended. just that a lot of whites in my area call her white trash. they call jessica simpson red neck. still can't believe britney got a documentary all to herself.
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WesleyanA (f)
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@Everybody How do I get to the "jokes" thread?
if this is a non-sarcastic comment, main page --> entertainment --> jokes you'll see the creppy math topic. post in it!! 
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4 Play (m)
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if this is a non-sarcastic comment, main page --> entertainment --> jokes you'll see the creppy math topic. post in it!!  Thanks,I have seen it 
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LuvinGuy (m)
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hmm. its like there's no winning this debate sha. black people don't want to be called the n-word or bitches and hoes by non-blacks, yet they call each other just that. at the same time, white people think its ok to call them bitches and hoes because they see blacks calling themselves that too. who's to blame in all this hot mess?
Most blame the rap/hip hop culture. I think the problem is that people think rap somehow ascends any other media form of entertainment. Just like cartoons, major movies, porn, rock, videogames, books, and any other form of entertainment media, it is just that ENTERTAINMENT. Anybody that is going to blame rap, should also blame those other things, which also have subliminal and often derrogatory messages. It is an ART EXPRESSION. That should NEVER be censored, grown people (esp. upper middle class) should know better not to imitate what they see or hear on mainstream, and younger people have parents to blame. THIS is the problem. You have the older, out of touch generation that maybe hears a rap song or sees a music video on MTV, and automatically thinks: wow, this is black people. Okay. And b/c they've never actually been acquainted with a real black person, they make their opinions of an entire race based on that. Violence, sex, and brash forms of media are always the most prominent and make the most waves, but to think that it represents even to a small degree black lifestyle, or young black lifestyle, just shows how limited peoples exposure to other cultures is.
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4 Play (m)
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Check out this article -
Wednesday, April 18th, 2007 Why does hip-hop hate black women?
The comedian Greg Giraldo has a great bit about that guy Brian Nichols who went ape shit in a court room down in Atlanta. He managed to steal a gun from a court officer, pistol whipped a buncha people, murdered a couple more people, then held a woman hostage for about seven hours. But then the woman made him breakfast and he let her go.
The message there, according to Greg Giraldo: “It wouldn’t kill you girls to learn your way around the kitchen.”
Similarly, I wonder if it wouldn’t kill black women to make themselves more likable both in terms of their appearance and their attitudes. And I only say this because important members of the black community such as Oprah and Russell Simmons have been calling for dialogue between black women and the hip-hop community, and I think dialogue has to be a two-way street.
You ‘bags know I live to disagree with Oprah Winfrey, but in this case I have to agree with her about a lot of things. For example, I’ve been complaining for years that hip-hop is turning into the modern day equivalent of a minstrel show. Not to turn this into a regional thing, but is it any wonder that all this is taking place during a time in which hip-hop radio is overrun with god-awful southern rap?
But, then (and this is the part where the whole two-way street comes in), would this even be nearly as much of an issue if there wasn’t such a state of romantic disfunction in the black community? As the incident with the crazed chinaman down in Virginia proved, not having anyone to make love to during the even can cause a person to lash out, and I wonder if that isn’t the case here as well.
The thing about stereotypes that makes them particularly hurtful is that there’s usually an element of truth to them; and the truth of the matter is that black women aren’t exactly the most lovable group of people. I mean, we can go back and forth with the name calling and what have you, but it’s not like they became the least married group of people in this country by choice.
Men lie, and nappy headed hoes lie, but the numbers don’t, people.
Like I said, I tend to agree with Oprah, Rush, et al. that something needs to be done about cleaning up the airwaves, but I wonder if the airwaves wouldn’t have gotten so filthy in the first place if black men had a better overall opinion of black women. If that’s the case, and I think it is, then we all might need to take a look in the mirror.
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WesleyanA (f)
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Yeah, the oprah thing is annoying too. There was a time a lot of blacks were up and arms against her because she refuses to showcase black rappers on her show. people started claiming she was a sell out. when did rap define blackness. lol. yeah maybe it does to an extent but that's like 1/100000000 of the whole thing. I personally love Oprah. lol The thing about stereotypes that makes them particularly hurtful is that there’s usually an element of truth to them; and the truth of the matter is that black women aren’t exactly the most lovable group of people. I mean, we can go back and forth with the name calling and what have you, but it’s not like they became the least married group of people in this country by choice. I think this applies to the black race as a whole, not just the women, as being the least liked/loved. the women have their stereotype of being hoes and all that and the men have their stereotype of being criminals and lazy among the women, yeah blacks are the least likely to marry (43 % unmarried) and among men, blacks are also the least likely to marry (41% unmarried) I guess we have so much hate for each other. or what? I think black entertainment ought to be cleaned up. then let's see what happens, whether the stereotypes will persist or not.
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Hero (m)
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Boo-hoo, boo-hoo, F-ing hoo. Cry a river and float on down it. Get over it crybabies. The deed is done, and will continue to be done in the future. Folks need to learn their place, along with the legendary lesson of that if you mess with FIRE you might get burnt. I'm more than satisfied with the Imus outcome. Another one bites the dust. Bring on the next contestant who wants to challenge. We're becoming masters at this ish.  He was a slippery one for us, but we finally managed to get his can canned. This is a joyous moment. We've been attempting for years to get his show cancelled. This was not the first time he's made blatantly racist remarks on the radio toward blacks. He on air stated that he specifically hired his sidekick because he was good at telling jokes about black folks in which he ((Imus)) loved to get a good laugh at. A couple of years later another fire storm was raised when he stated that sisters Serena and Venus Williams, the famous WTA tennis stars, looked as if they were more fit to be in a Zoo than on the tennis court. That is just two of the many verbal attacks on black he's gotten away with over the years, there's many, many more along with many other racial attacks he's targeted toward Asians, Hispanics, gays and other groups. You'all should be ashamed of yourself for supporting that filthy bastard RACIST. You should look up the stuff he's said about Africa and Africans in general over the years, and I bet you then won't be so fast to support him, Toms. 
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4 Play (m)
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Tuesday, May 16th, 2006 Is rap misogynistic enough?
New Rule: If black women want their complaints about misgogyny in hip-hop taken seriously, they should go on a diet.
In all of the talk about how horribly misogynistic hip-hop is, rarely do you see any discussion of the actual effects all of this misogyny is having on black women. To hear the Essence magazines of the world tell it, black women should hardly be able to walk out of their front doors without being raped or beat up.
Meanwhile, according to that noted expert on education Bill Cosby, in his recent commencement address at Spelman College, 70% of all blacks graduating from college this year are black women. Indeed, it’s black men who should worry about getting either beat up or raped, since as the Cos notes, most of them are in prison.
Furthermore, if rap music is as awful as these bitches say it is, it obviously hasn’t done much for their self-image. When a white woman is greeted with images that portray women as objects, she takes that as an opportunity to eat less and work out more, so as to fit the standard of beauty put forth by magazines, TV commercials and what have you.
Meanwhile, I don’t think I need to pull out any statistics here to illustrate the fact that black women have been doing nothing of the sort. Indeed an argument can be made that if black women were objectified more often, maybe they’d be that much more motivated to hit a treadmill or eat a salad.
And not one of those salads from Wendys that’s basically a bowl of fried chicken, either.
If anything, I wonder if hip-hop isn’t going hard enough on black women. Numerous awful rap songs have been made about the dedication and sacrifices made by black single mothers, but not a one has been made blaming black single mothers for the myriad issues currently facing the black community, and especially black men.
After all, if most black men these days are either unemployed or in jail, and most black men these days were raised by black women exclusively, I don’t think it takes a Rhodes Scholar to put one and two together.
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