Why I Am Not A Christian Anymore

How old are you nferyn? Surely you can't be more than 50 years, right? Now, the Devil has been in existence from time, even before man was created by God. You won't believe this because you don't even believe in God's existence! what a pathetic state you're in. But for the benefit of other people, I will try and explain:

God has a time frame for everything he created - including the Devil. God is a righteous judge. You see man is a free moral agent. You can decide to do what is right or wrong. But God will make you face the consequences of your actions. These 'consequences' might not be immediate, but you'D definitely reap the fruit of your actions.

Now, the Devil sinned from the begining. Hear this:

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil - Matthew 13:30

He's dammed. How?, you may ask, for the Bible says that He will be cast into the Lake of Fire, which burns with fire and brimstone on the Judgement Day. That Judgement Day has not yet come, in fact that's what all righteous believers are waiting for. So God allowed the Devil to continue his evil deeds until such a time that he'll be judged according to his works. Listen:

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. - Revelation 20:10.

Now, you say God allowed evil to kill men, this and that, bla bla bla. Now hear what the Bible says:

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. -  Matthew 13:30

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. -  Matthew 13:40

So, let both good and evil thrive until such a time that they will be separated. The Good from the Evil. So, do you understand now, why good and evil are allowed?

So, you see, God meant that everything he created should be good from the begining - even the Devil himself was initially created for Good, but the Devil came and corrupted a lot of them. He deceived Eve to sin against God. The Devil is the Author of every evil deeds. But he'll receive a just reward for all that he has done on the last day.

One more thing: The Devil knows for sure that his time is very short indeed! So, he's gone all out to deceive as many people as possible to disobey God. He crafted atheism, voodoo, witchcraft, sorcerey, the worship of idols and other false things - to provoke God to anger and to corrupt the works of God.

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:  - 1 Peter 5:8

I fail to see the relevance of my age, but I will confess that I am only 32 years old,  You are in a state of ignorant bliss when it somes to God's self contradictory nature.  You just don't allow any information to enter your head that contradicts your vision of God and define everything that does not conform your vision to be of the devil. This is an intellectually immature mode of attribution.  You keep sidestepping the issue that evil cannot logically exist when there is an all powerfull, all good and all seeing God. God cannot have these attributs as long as evil exists.

It's actually very simple. If God wouldn't want the Devil to be evil, and the world to be evil, evil simply would not exist. Evil exists because God wants it to exist. If God doesn't want it to exist and it still exists, he is not all powerful.

I am an atheist and I am not evil by any stretch of the imagination. How do you explain that away?

You insist evil cannot exist side by side with the works of a good God because all you think of is logic, yet it is logical that both good andevil coexist now.

The world we are leaving in was placed in man's charge and man has handed it over to the evil one, the world we live in now legally does not belong to God again, but biologically it is, its just like having a biological father and a legal father, one that custody has been given to.

I said again, it all stems from the plan of creation and the counter plan of redemption. Yet God has set an appointed time when evil must needs be removed for all times, and he has made a way of escape for us from this evil generation.

How do we say its not logical? or are we saying we know better than him? ono has a point, how do we teach the anciet of days? or reason his ways illogical we who have existed for less that half a century him who never falters in age and wisdom?

When we ignore or reject his plan for us, and a new world and the removal of all evil then we wont see his hand, this world all lies in wickedness.

If he wills all evil will be removed, yes, but you talk so because you believe all God has to do with is us humans, there are a host of unseen witness and he is a great God and faithful and righteous.

He has laid down a plan for you and me to walk in to escape the evil in the world that in itself is removing evil from us but we reject him and ask why evil exists the world belongs to the evil one legally and that is why it must ultimately be removed why do you reject him and wish he wills that all evil be removed, wouldnt that be resumptious and unwise on our part? not for his sake but ours? he is wiser than us for all wisdom comes from him, he is also righteous and just, when he faces us with the question of why we rejected him, not all the worldly wisdom then will be enough to plead our case because we shall see clearly why we shouldnt have while we're on earth.

we cannot dictate no other to him nor reason his ways illogical.

Why is that illogical. Contrary to your God-concept, the physical world does not exist in the absolute. Your God is good in the absolute sense, not in the relative sense.

Evidence?

And what does that make Him in view of his properties?


Again, assuming his existence without evidence

So he doesn't want all evil removed?

Again, starting from the assumption that He exists. Your reasoning is circular.

No! through his WORDS,

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. - Hebrews 4:12

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. - 1 John 5:7

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. -  Revelation 19:13. This passage is talking about Jesus Christ

Now, that question takes us back to knowing where the words in the Bible came from, and I thought we've dealt with that, but for you, take this one:

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. - 2 Peter 1:21

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 3:16,17

, the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

Note that the scriptures, according to Gods command, must be made known unto all the nations of the earth.


Does that answer your question, nferyn?

So, then, what do you want? Are you too saying there's no God?

Anyway, for once, I think you're right. It's useless quoting any passage of the Bible to make someone, who has already made up his mind on something different, to believe in God.

So, nferyn, there's no point in trying to explain here. I think you've had enough from me.

Seun,

Atheists are usually very intellectual and base their arguements on logic. God, however, isn't subject to logic. He tells us that all our wisdom is foolishness to Him and His ways are far above our ways. So I believe that those who choose to believe in Him just have to believe Him as He is.

I don't believe in arguing with atheists because Christianity is about faith- trusting in a God you cannot see. For those who say they can't take that risk. Good for them. For those of us who are willing to take it. Good for us.

Personally, I believe that God is transcendent, and as such, we can't and shouldn't fight (or resort to any form of violence) for Him or try to explain Him or dress Him up. He didn't ask for that. We should stand boldly for our faith in Him.

Also, Christianity, as I have experienced it, isn't just about words but more about power. It is this power that draws billions to Jesus.

However, as a christian, I can't say "Good for you" and walk away because I know that God loves you very much and grieves about your decision to leave Him. I believe that if God reveals Himself and His Power to you, you'll change your mind. So I'll pray that God should do just that and I enjoin other Christians here to do the same for Seun and other atheists/unbelievers.

Do you know that, if your parents were devout (not just secular) muslims, you would be promoting Islam with the same vigour and blind faith you are using to promot Christianity?  Or else, why is it that out of the many many religions in the world, Christianity is the one you have chosen?

Seun, it's up to you to do what is right:

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve;, but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Joshua 24:15

May the Lord help you as you have a rethink on this decision of yours.

That very encouraging layi.

My prayer is for your hearts of mumu to be hardened with the stone of sanity.

See pot calling kettle black

He's praying to the Holy coconut

I used to think Seun exists until the day he banned me.  How can a forum administrator ban his member for NO REASON?  I don't think such a human exists.  Besides, I haven't seen him before so how can I possibly believe he exists?  Others might have seen him before, but since I have not seen him myself, he doesn't exist!

Ha,

But you've seen his 'works'. Therefore he must exist.

Yes, but he left evidence behind pointing to his undeniable existence. Although I have the impression that sometimes evidence of other people's existence disappears