Why I Am Not A Christian Anymore

You said your conscience tells you what's good but you DO hear more than 2 voices in your head. Not just the cliched good and bad voice. There are voices that tell you do what's not neccesarily good but it's not bad either. There's no clear definition of good. A woman killing her husband is wrong but what if he beat her alot or cheated on her. What do you define as good? Should she go on and hold a grudge. Is she expected to forgive and forget? The latter is rather utopic.

wrong is NEVER justified. that's why God REQUIRES that we forgive our fellowman - vengeance is the Lord's.
Also, there is no action that is 'neither good nor bad'. Definitely there are grey issues; but that's where our intentions matter. God looks at the heart. See ICor 13;1-3. "Good actions" are not necessarily right, if our heart's attitude is wrong
I think if you're curious, you should read Romans 7 up till chapter 8. if you pray for illumination, you'D have your questions answered.
what i said is what ultimately matters, there is no one righteous except the Son, His righteousness is our righteousness IICor 5;21, ICor.1;30
Got to go out now. cheers.

thank God i'm not skeptical about the truth. I'm very skeptical about falsehood and deception though.

what you call conscience might not necessariliy be what i call conscience, so we probably don't have any basis for comparison

we see things in totally different light. gotta go.

fyi: for your information rayg stand for rebel against your government wrong doing!!!!

Life is a 0 and 1
0=no 1=yes 0=false 1=True 0=off 1=on
sin=no latin word

Stop posting in all caps, please.

Very big lie. Where did you get that confusion from?

@ nosa,

Yeah, i was expecting a post like this when i made that statement.
First, my mind is 'open' and not 'closed' whatever that means, but what I mean is that, i learn before i speak. At the risk of sounding like a Mr know-all, which i'm not, about the many religions you speak of, i've learnt. And what i do discover is; they speak of different things and many times their claims are so antithetical that definitely they can't all be true. Truth as regards eternity, God etc are absolute and with all things absolute, you're either in or out, you're either right or wrong especially as regards the core issues.
Second, those who serve God and know Him, know He exists, the fact that one doesn't is a wake-up call to find out the true way - that's of course if you beleive that God IS. i once was in a position in life where i didn't know for certain, i won't say that is the case now.
Third, the things men have said about the bible being a book humans wrote, and that some chose 'acceptable chapters' is a lie, it is false. Fine, humans wrote the bible, but the bible doesn't claim to be a mere 'human' book; it claims to be the revealed word of God (Jehovah i mean). For those who take it to be that, they've found out that it is surely and truely the word of God, and through it they've found assurance and evidence for their faith.
The bible was not written by ordinary men, but by men who were inspired by GOd's Spirit; so 'human greed' and what not does not fill into the question. Do you think it is impossible for God to reveal himself through the writings of men so that people can have a yardstick for knowing the truth? i don't see that as being too hard to imagine or accept. Those allegations are mere objections some people have used to try to put down the bible; but for those whose lives have been transformed by it, it doesn't hold water and they know better.
I didn't say any religion is trash; if you notice i don't really involve myself in arguements about religions; however, i know that if the bible is true then other religions are false; they can't both or all be right. If for nothing else the bible claims to be the SOLE revelation of truth. SO you see i doubt if my statement was 'very ignorant' like you put it. If i say 2 + 2 equals 4 and another person says it equals 5; should we say "Ok, don't say i'm wrong because i don't agree with you"? or should we say "they are both right"? NO. There are absolutes with Truth, just like any other field. There is a right approach and there are wrong approaches. I don't know why it's so hard to realize this.

@nosa,
only a small part of the bible was written in aramaic, the old testament was mostly written in Hebrew and the new testament in greek.
The original scrolls are available if one is willing to learn Hebrew and greek. Both languages are still spoken to this day; although they are probably modified; language is dynamic. There are words in the bible that what they definitively mean isn't known and translations like NIV will tell you so.
THe books that make up the bible are like various parts of a whole; they all unite as one and speak in unison even though they were written by different people over the course of long periods of time. If there was a book that said Jesus was a sinner for example, do we need to be told that that book is not of God? it speaks for itself and you can judge a book by its content and know if its inspired or not. its not that hard and there's no conspiracy anywhere.
let's even leave that side; the books we already have, have we learnt what they have to say? have we tried to verify their truth-claims? that's what is important.
You see i know why you're skeptical and why you can't understand someone making absolute claims; because i've been there before. however, the fact that you are in the position you are in says that you are willing to know the truth, and i pray you find it.

The way?

Now that we have established thatn sceptism isn't necessarily a bad and damning thing, it's necessaru to point out that your perception of truth is also relative and others with differing religions know that your beliefs are falsehood and deceptions and theirs is truth  Obvious but worth mentioning.


I doubt that; however, in the name of fostering understanding, maybe you could describe what you mean by conscience? That should show whether there is some basis of comparism and if we are indeed speaking of the same phenomenon.


Well, we have been influenced by different belief systems, cultures and phiosophies.

fair enough, that's why the bible says 'there's a way that seems right to a man but in the end it leads to destruction'. That is of course the case when people get decieved. In the end, we'D find out for certain the truth. But what i know is that no religion gives you an assurance of salvation, at best you suppress the doubts and the voice of your conscience nugging at you.
In my case, i'm not waiting till i die to know the truth, i already am walking in it.

 I don't bother memorising bible verses but for those who always ask why did God allow this and that bad thing to happen.
I know the Bible speaks clearly about phases of the world and we are in the phase where the wheat and the chaff( good and evil) both by humans or not are free to grow together.
So those trying to force others to believe what they do should not get too hot and bothered.The Bible ( I think jesus said this) says God has given everyone the freedom to choose.
The only thing I will say directly to Seun and other atheists is in form of a question.
    How do explain things like some one who is not a believer in the holy spirit being prayed for and he?she falls under the influence of the holy spirit and looses conciousness?
Or how do you explain what is called jazz, juju, voodoo etc.
You can dismiss it ,but unless every thing we see is a dream or from our imagination , these two examples need  rationalisation because I am talking about physically visible things.
I for one find belief in something else  more reasonable than atheism, because that is like saying all the people you see are a dream or visions i.e. denying facts.

Are you sure that wasn't about a millennia ago? You know, the times when Christians were heavily persecuted by the Roman goverment and people who said they were Christians were jailed or killed.



I don't think Jesus said that, but I could be wrong.


Frauds; hoaxes; placeboic effects (I don't think that's the right term).

 
Psychology.


You've physically and personally seen voodoo practiced? In any case, there are simple answers to occurences that involved people going unconscious and people practising voodoo; there's absolutely no need to invoke supernatural beings.


You don't know what atheism is.

Simply put, disbelieving a God, any God, exists. Atheists, though usually individuals with their different sets of beliefs and interpretations of life, generally don't doubt that this life is real and other humans exist.


I'll take that as a no then.

can someone please show me where someone falls "under the power" in the bible? thanks