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nferyn (m)
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Don't want to get to Iraq and get killed
You'll be embedded, so don't worry |
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chrisd (m)
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Reuters news agency says three of its staff were subjected to sexually degrading treatment, allegedly abused at two US military bases, after being detained for covering the shooting down of a US helicopter near the flashpoint city of Falluja.
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elbaron (m)
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Seun, hold fast your new believe. I believe you are intelligent enough not to hold unto unproven convictions on the say so of a supposed devine document without hsitorical and external collaberation. It has not been proven anywhere else aside the bible that even the writers of the said bible existed not to talk about the subject matter on which they wrote. All the intelligent people whom I have known to be christians using it to their personal gains. As exemplified in the current language dominant in most christian churches viz "Give and it shall be given unto you". Only this time, you are giving to the pastor and the council of elders.
You are right, if God existed, how come there is so much evil and imbalance in people's social strata?
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chrisd (m)
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What does it mean, to understand? ... I don't know. (Richard Feynman)
Do not keep saying to yourself, if you can possible avoid it, 'But how can it be like that?' because you will get 'down the drain,' into a blind alley from which nobody has yet escaped. Nobody knows how it can be like that. (Richard Feynman)
If we will only allow that, as we progress, we remain unsure, we will leave opportunities for alternatives. We will not become enthusiastic for the fact, the knowledge, the absolute truth of the day, but remain always uncertain... In order to make progress, one must leave the door to the unknown ajar. (Richard Feynman)
We cannot define anything precisely! If we attempt to, we get into that paralysis of thought that comes to philosophers, who sit opposite each other, one saying to the other, 'You don't know what you are talking about!' The second one says 'What do you mean by know? What do you mean by talking? What do you mean by you?', and so on. (Richard Feynman)
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nuru (m)
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the existence of God for me is proved in this encounter among others.
I felt into a trance one afternoon sometime in 1980. In it, i was saw myself tied to a stake with fire burning round me. Some ugly shaped beings were dancing round me. Obviously, they were in festive mood and i was being sacrificed. Suddenly, i remembered and started shouting a particular religious phrase of LAILAHA ILLA LAU. ( It means there is no other god beside the Almighty God ). Threafter I saw in the trance that Lightning struck those beings and the fire went out and i became unbound. So real was this encounter that 25 years after as i am typing, i can still vividly remember every detail, just like my first day in the University. The fact that the mention of the name of Amighty God could stop what was happening in the trance is enough for me to believe Him. I have other encounters and other reasons to believe, but time is not on my side now.
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chrisd (m)
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Sure it was not LSD
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nuru (m)
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I have never been on drug, never drank beer nor smoke anything in my life. The experience I have is vivid and its like it happened yesterday.
Let me quickly add that my soul search brings to my consciousness that why its difficult to explain certain phenomenon is that they are happening in dimensions higher than that of our physical realm. For example, we as humans are only able to comprehend without any aid, the three dimensions of space and additional dimension of time. I have come to realize that there are countless number of dimensions beyond these four and the Supreme Creator is at the Head of the Highest Dimension. That is why metaphysical and spiritual experience cannot be understood unless somebody is involved. Would one lie against oneself. To deny the existence of God because one has not been personally touched is not rational. What those of us that have encountered Higher presence can only try to do is explain. The similitude of our explanation is like that of a Married person describing the sweetness of sex to a minor that has not reached puberty, such minor cannot understand that flesh upon flesh can bring the kind of sweetness different from sugar that the adult talks of. If one has not experienced God, it is not to mean He does not exist. The fact that most that accept His existence have not experienced Him does not mean He doesn't exist.
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Seun (m)
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Oh dear. You believe in God because you had a scary dream. :roll eyes:
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nferyn (m)
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@ nuru
If you know something about the recent advances in neuroscience, you will understand that these kind of experiences are self-induced and that the fact that you call it God has more to do with your neural programming in a theistic mindset than with any reality of the God concept.
Our brains have evolved to detect purpose and desing in everything we encounter because it proved to be evolutionary beneficial (it does do us good to detect a leopard as having an intention of using us for his next meal, even though he's just strolling by). That's why our overactive brain, with the proper suggestion, see the divine everywhere.
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gbade. x (m)
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You are right, if God existed, how come there is so much evil and imbalance in people's social strata?
please answer this question, is it God that perpertrates evil among men or men themselves? is it not man that brings about an imbalance in people's social strata? at least i know that you know that ALL OF US HAVE MINDS BY WHICH WE MAKE CHOICES EVERYDAY. so if man makes a choice to kill his fellow human, then its God's fault that thereis evil, abi? it is high time people stop blaming God for all their woes and acknowledge the fact that they are the architect of their own misfortunes |
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gbade. x (m)
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how do i insert a quote from the 1st or 2nd into a reply?  . i can't seem to do that. each time i click on reply, it only gives me the current page (page3) so that i can only insert quotes from page 3 for replies. please someone, Seun, anybody, please help |
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wills (m)
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“Most intellects do not believe in God”… Seun and nferyn Almighty ,go ahead Look God in the Eyes and see who Blinks first. @ nuru
If you know something about the recent advances in neuroscience, you will understand that these kind of experiences are self-induced and that the fact that you call it God has more to do with your neural programming in a theistic mindset than with any reality of the God concept.
Our brains have evolved to detect purpose and desing in everything we encounter because it proved to be evolutionary beneficial (it does do us good to detect a leopard as having an intention of using us for his next meal, even though he's just strolling by). That's why our overactive brain, with the proper suggestion, see the divine everywhere.
Oh dear. You believe in God because you had a scary dream. :roll eyes:
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nferyn (m)
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“Most intellects do not believe in God”… Seun and nferyn Almighty ,go ahead Look God in the Eyes and see who Blinks first.
How on earth can I look a non-existing entity in the eyes? Even if God were to exist, aren't you a little to anthropocentric here? Does your God have eyes you can look into? |
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wills (m)
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How on earth can I look a non-existing entity in the eyes?
Even if God were to exist, aren't you a little to anthropocentric here? Does your God have eyes you can look into?
You want to know how you, can Look a non existing God in the eyes, First believe he existing, don’t ask for evidence just believe, And when I use the term Eyes, don’t take it literally, I was just trying to say, In time you will know if there is a God or there is none, either in your life time or in death, either way I guaranty you , you will surly know. And yes my God has Eyes, He created me in his Image and likeness and We call him the Omniscient God. |
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nferyn (m)
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@ wills
I cannot believe in something that has no credible evidence for it's existence. the Bible is nothing more than an inconsistent collection of foundational stories made up by ignorant herders a few thousand years ago and edited by a profoundly political institution (The Catholic Church) with an axe to grind.
The only reason people believe in any of the monotheistic religions is because they were exposed to the religious meme in childhood. There are no people that have not been brought up in a religious environment that believe in the monotheistic God, because that God is conceptually nonsensical for anyone that has no preconceived ideas about him.
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wills (m)
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@nferyn
I won’t argue with your intellectual prowess and your cosmic or evolutionary believes, like it or not, believe it or not. There is a God, Period!!!
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exu (m)
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like it or not, believe it or not. There is a God, Period. interesting... "like" "believe" but no proof... |
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chrisd (m)
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Foundational stories made up by ignorant herders. Interesting. The other says don't ask for evidence, believe. One is right, the other is right. They can't both be right.  |
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wills (m)
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Yes! we both can't be right
If u dare to believe first without evidence
,then u will get all the proof or evidence you want. Its a personal experience
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chrisd (m)
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I think I will stick with the ignorant herders
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wills (m)
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Thank God for, freewill and choice I Keep You ,seun and nferyn in paryers  I think I will stick with the ignorant herders
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nferyn (m)
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@ chrisd
Always there to stirr up the debate, aren't you?
Anyway, people can believe whatever they want, as long as they don't say that there is a rational foundation for that belief when thee isn't. Faith is something profoundly irrational
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chrisd (m)
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So on what rationalistic things you think of Nfern
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nferyn (m)
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I don't see anything rational about faith. It is acceptance of something without solid evidence.
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chrisd (m)
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I separate the Christian faith into two branches, the Irrational, which insists in the absolute truth of the literal word of the Bible and maintains there is no separation between the natural world and the supernatural, and the Rational branch
Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.
I believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. I believe that scientific theory is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children.
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chrisd (m)
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It's not exactly BS though
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chrisd (m)
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Perhaps it is you don't like the fundamentalist approach, like I do. To a smart intelligent man like me, I feel it can give direction even in purely intellectual people.
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wills (m)
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@ chrisd
Faith is something profoundly irrational
Well said! Nferyn, the Book you said is written by ancient Jews and Edit by The catholic church puts it this way; Faith is the Evidence of things Not seen. We Christian chose to be Fools in God, for therein lies our wisdom, Guess this is too hard for you to understand. Since it beats your rational sense. |
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chrisd (m)
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If you say Christianity is intolerant, superstitious, anti-Semitic, joyless, and sex-obsessed, I would agree with you.
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nferyn (m)
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Here's a more recent quote from Dawkins: Oh but of course the story of Adam and Eve was only ever symbolic, wasn't it? Symbolic?! So Jesus had himself tortured and executed for a symbolic sin by a non-existent individual? Nobody not brought up in the faith could reach any other conclusion than 'barking mad'. (from the Root of All Evil) PS: It must take a great intellectual to make sense of what's in the Bible |
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