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OlowoTee (f)
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probably you decided to quit christianity because u asked GOD for a favour and HE didn't grant your request, but that not withstanding let GOD remain GOD in your life. there is a reason for every season. If only you can have faith like a mustard seed, and being patient enough probably would could have been owned something that would affect every section of life. please return to GOD i beg u
Good point! Good point, did you know that this was what came to my mind when i read through Seun's post about his disbelief. Maybe he's been disappointed somehow  who knows  Though i'm not insinuating this, but it sure reminds me of a friend i had in school then, who lost his dear one at the verge of his graduating, he was highly disappointed in God, that despite his many prayers and strong faith in God, the mum still died  . It was such a terrible situation. "why could she have died just like that & when she was about eating the fruit of her labour? Why " he questioned. She's suffered alot to give me her best! he muttered. I discovered that the death of his mum made him to come to a conclusion that there is no Christian God, and if trully he exists "why then did He allow my mother to died! despite my plea!!" I felt for him and encouraged him in ma little way. It's not impossible that such bitter experience and lot more could make someone come to that irrational conclusion. Athough hope deferred maketh the soul sick/weary yet, the consolation is this Weeping may endure for the night but, joy comes in the morningIt is well.
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www_pastor
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Dear Seun,
The truth is you never met with the Saviour and thus you cannot really lay a claim to had been a Christian. You were just a church folk just like many today whose idea of Christianity is some social gathering. Jesus the Christ is a Living Being, who reveals Himself to men who are humble enough to seek His Face. I agree that the whole thing does not make sense but that is not enough to throw away the baby with the water. Though in your own case, there was no baby, just water. Your faith in Christ had no substance. Knowing about the Christ is not enough, an encounter with Him is a must and makes all the difference.
If you think that logic can answer all things, then you will have somany things unanswered. For example, logically, expalin how life started. I wish you well.
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Seun (m)
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I was never a Christian, eh? I see. And what makes you so sure that you are a Christian? Only arrogance!
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IDINRETE
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It's not impossible that such bitter experience and lot more could make someone come to that irrational conclusion.
please can you elucidate on how not being a christian is irrational.
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www_pastor
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I was never a Christian, eh? I see. And what makes you so sure that you are a Christian? Only arrogance!
Dear Seun, I am sorry if I sounded arrogant. Yet, I only spoke from experience that many people who inherit Christianity never actually gets to know the Saviour one on one. They hear about Him, but never hear Him. They know about Him, but never know Him. They "know" that He is everywhere but never experience His Presence. They know He died for all to wash away sin, but they are still bound by sin. I inherited Christianity as well, but only met the Lord after more than 20 years. As a matter of fact, I was about to quit (become an athiest) when He revealed Himself to me. I had packed up all my beliefs from inheritance and then prayed this prayer. "God, if You are there, then make me to know You. Reveal Yourself to me or I will forever believe that you don't exist". That prayer I made from the dept of my being was what opened a channel of communication between us. The faith in God I have today is not out of head knowledge, it is out of heart knowledge. It is not out of inheritance, it is out of revelation. There is a difference between knowing about someone and knowing someone. Even most of the people who saw Jesus face to face, never got to KNOW Him in truth. For example, I know about you Seun, (an that very little) I don't know you. The Lord says, "I know my sheep and my sheep know Me, and they hear My voice". Did you ever hear His voice? Did you ever knew the power of His love? Did you ever experience cleasing from sin? Perhaps since you no longer believe in Him, sin has no definition. Yet if man will tell himself the truth, he will acknoledge that there is this void within. Only the Lord can fill that void. Only the Lord can give peace that nothing in this world can give. What makes me think that I am a christian? Plenty of things! At least I remember the date I got born of the Spirit. And His Spirit bears witness with my own spirit that I belong to Him. If I will say today that I never met with Him, I will be a liar. Dear Seun, your attitude shows me that you would not mind worshiping Him if you get to know Him. Start from somewhere. Tell Him how you feel and what you think. His is Someone, a Person and not a fiction written on pages of a book. The Bible contains facts about Him, but the Bible does not and cannot contain Him. The power of His Kingdom is the mystery of His Love. Dear Seun, I am praying for you.
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samix (m)
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I was never a Christian, eh? I see. And what makes you so sure that you are a Christian? Only arrogance!
nobody ever said you were never a christian, being a christian before is not enough gaurantee that you are still a christian. i believe you started this discussion probably because you felt you need help from people.this life is far more than just ordinary logic reasoning and mathematical calculation it is a supernatural issue caused by a supernatural existing factor. can you explain the principle of how the first human came into existence through ur logical reasoning or your perceived perfect mathematical calculation? just think about the scientists, where did their knowlegde come from? did it metamorphose? or what happened?. Jesus is the way the truth and the life no ne cometh unto the Father except through Him. Where you there at the beginning of creation?ur present belief, did it explain the beginning of creation or can it explain it? JUST THINK MY THERE BROTHER!!!!!!!!!THINK because time waits for no man in any way. JESUS LOVES U N HE WILL ALWAYS DO. Just tell HIM "I am Sorry" genuinely and see what will happen to your life
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cgift (m)
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www_pastor,
we are one together in this praying for Seun. I love him and pray that he meets Jesus personally. With my knowledge of Christ, i am still craving to know mor of him. He is too real, more present than present. His love for me maks me cry for joy thanking him daily that h revaled himself to me.
Seun, Jesus loves you. He will visit you soon. You will still preach this message, I bet you in the name of Jesus.
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Seun (m)
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nobody ever said you were never a christian, www_pastor did. He said: The truth is you never met with the Saviour and thus you cannot really lay a claim to had been a Christian. You were just a church folk just like many today whose idea of Christianity is some social gathering. He is wrong. I was really into this rubbish, even addicted to it, but I got burnt badly, so I woke up!
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cgift (m)
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sorry if it is repititive. Can you kindly narrate that ordeal that woke you up?
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OlowoTee (f)
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@cgift You spoke my mind!!! @Seun I'D like to hear the gist too. What really happened??? Pardon my curiosity. I feel you're too loved to be elsewhere than in Christ Jesus. I do pray for you and i'm believing God for the best in your life and others. reverend , etc. 
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eBIZ
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SEUN! SEUN!! SEUN!!! HOW MANY TIMES DID I CALL YOU? YOU SAID THREE TIMES?GOOD! IF YOU WANT GO TO HEAVEN MAKE YOU NO PLAY WITH GOD O BUT IF YOU SAY BECAUSE OF EVIL YOU DEY SI AND SEE NO GOD AH! YOU MAY BE DE MUST FOOL ON EARTH!~
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www_pastor
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Beloved Seun, I was really into this rubbish, even addicted to it, but I got burnt badly, so I woke up!
Did you really meet Him as in person to person? I am still wondering how one can meet with the Saviour and after deny His existence. One can backslide as in not being faithful, but to deny His existence bits my imagination. I will like you to throw more light on what you mean by being burnt badly. Jesus is alive and well. There are folks here praying for you. I care.
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samix (m)
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dear seun, You said u were burnt badly because of something are you sure this your case is not similar to Job's case?   ? the only difference is that he(job) remained faithful but your case, seems opposite. please you need to re-think about this issue because its not a joking matter in any small means. u need to forget about logical bullshit and voodooism and face the real truth JESUS. whatever the burn could be JESUS will still remain LORD
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OlowoTee (f)
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I know Seun likes going solo silent in situations like this. Seuuuun where art thou??? I only pray he shows up soonest 
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cgift (m)
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Some people use their "misfortunes" as stepping stones. Unfortunatly Seun did not and ended up castigating the faith he was formerly bethrothed to.
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@labiyemmy (m)
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whats our business with that if u r no more a christian - thats your decision - whay the announcement? that doesnt change God or who He is.
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lovemajek (f)
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@ topic maybe you're going astray for now,then later you will come back.
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Aladunni (f)
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Seun, am a new member as at yesterday and i seem to fall in love with u and this beautiful achievement on nairaland. I wish i can imagine what u could be passing through for whatever made u a non-christian afterall. Mine came last year when after being faithful with both my body and soul, pursuing after God and loving everything he wishes me to love. I wanted what He wanted because, i believe He has me. Seun at 30 years, a single lady, i developed multiple fibroids! No man in view, no relationship whatsoever. I became a ghost of my very self. I ask God questions, my mentors could not just passify me. (this may be a less situation than yours) But u know what He said to me "I trust u can handle it datz why its coming ur way" (Quite Unreasonable ryt?). I was operated upon this year May, a complicated case but it was successful, lots of money involved, 5 medical consultants. bravo!!! one of the medical doctors fell in love with me and thatz it. Selwhgn Hughes (Everyday with Jesus) before his death last year, some years back lost his two boys (grown ups) to automobile accident on the same day, lost his wife to a terminal disease the following year, he said "I ll back the world than deny Him". He continued till he died at 72 last year. One of my guardians married for 13 years without children, the hussy died in a ghastly auto crash while going to preach somewhr, leaving her childless. She said to me "Even if God doesnt exist, i ave no regrets but I know He lives" These r just the e.gs not to bore u. This is not to convince you to do anything that u do not desire, but u know what am still with God through Jesus Christ my Saviour and lifter. I know he wont want me to cry again but if not, am too attached to Him than leave Him. There are stories of woes from faithful people out there, some left and some held on because they never had an alternative. Its just like nairaland, was it a minute trial that brot this great result? Mayb u even failed and tried saveral times and here we are. Christianity is not what we are made to believe it is by our hungry ministers these days and thatz why we r always dissapointed and it wont take us time to go even farther than where we r coming from. I can't blame u for any single step u ave taken but ur so-called mentors that don't even know what they are doing. They just establish motivational centres they colour church for us. Oh Seun am tired of going on, and there is an ache in my heart. But please i leave u with this, go on as an achiever that u r! Never settle for less! Go on and rule ur world! Fulfill purpose much more than u ave even done. And maybe, consider God one more time?
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@labiyemmy (m)
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@Aladunni
How sweet - you said last year u developed fibroid at 30 years but your profile says u r 27.
Do you know that all liers shall go to hell fire?
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Backslider (m)
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# Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
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cgift (m)
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# Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
My friend backslider, you are very raw and direct 
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lovemajek (f)
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raw and direct is of the flesh.
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opensource (m)
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wonders they say will never end,
@Seun , make sure you see a doctor
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cola
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In a bid to appeal to Seun to reconsider his stand, all sorts and manners of people have claimed 'personal encounters' with the 'Lord'. Others claimed they talk to him - maybe regularly. Just for certainty, can you please describe how the lord you encountered look. And also his voice - since you listen and talk to him. I hope someone won't say they can't describe him. You must be able to describe someone you have 'personally met' as many people on this thread have claimed. You might be able to help convince Seun since he apparently hasn't.
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Octupus (f)
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First of all,I doubt if seun means what he has said in this thread.I think he just wants to see people's rxn to an attempt to intelectualize spiritual things.
But per chance he means it,I wont be too surprised because it will explain some of his reactions in other threads that we have met.As some body said,let's hope he's passing through a phase and thAt he will come through unharmed.
Seun,I wish u the best of luck.I have no doubts that some responder will provide the soothing answer to ur question.Keep reading.
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lovemajek (f)
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yes, we did already, telling him that a lost sheep will be accepted back anytime.
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www_pastor
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In a bid to appeal to Seun to reconsider his stand, all sorts and manners of people have claimed 'personal encounters' with the 'Lord'. Others claimed they talk to him - maybe regularly. Just for certainty, can you please describe how the lord you encountered look. And also his voice - since you listen and talk to him. I hope someone won't say they can't describe him. You must be able to describe someone you have 'personally met' as many people on this thread have claimed. You might be able to help convince Seun since he apparently hasn't.
Dear Cola, Some of the mad people you see on the street are really possessed by unclean spirits. Such fellows mihgt not be able to describe who or what turned their lives upside down, yet they surely had an encounter. The Lord is a Spirit and only in the spirit can you encounter Him. Some have dreams, others see visions, some experience His Power even on their bodies. He also speak with the inner voice, some have heard Him audibly. The experiences all differ depending on who and situations. Above all, those who He delivered from the Power of sin can boldly testify, "I was lost, but now I am found" "I was blind but now I see" I make bold to say that I have had several encounters with Him and denying them will simply make me a liar. The test of the pudding is in the eating and thus only those who are born of the Spirit can understand the things of the Spirit. God bless you.
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Seun (m)
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Some of the mad people you see on the street are really possessed by unclean spirits. If that is true, then how come they become normal when anti-psychotic drugs are prescribed for them?
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cola
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Dear Cola, Some of the mad people you see on the street are really possessed by unclean spirits. Such fellows mihgt not be able to describe who or what turned their lives upside down, yet they surely had an encounter. The Lord is a Spirit and only in the spirit can you encounter Him. Some have dreams, others see visions, some experience His Power even on their bodies. He also speak with the inner voice, some have heard Him audibly. The experiences all differ depending on who and situations. Above all, those who He delivered from the Power of sin can boldly testify,
"I was lost, but now I am found" "I was blind but now I see"
I make bold to say that I have had several encounters with Him and denying them will simply make me a liar. The test of the pudding is in the eating and thus only those who are born of the Spirit can understand the things of the Spirit.
God bless you.
Dear www pastor You haven't helped matter in any way. You just made the claim again that you have encountered him severally but stopped short of substantiating it. It's easy to trash your claim as unsubstantiated and thus probably fraudulent. Any body can claim anything. You even posted that some hear him audibly, so it should be possible to describe the voice Please pardon any offence. It's not intended.
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cola
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And I beg to diagree that only a category of people can understand things of spirit. That's unlike GOD. In matters that concern GOD, there's a level playing field.
Metaphors are also inappropriate when making statements of fact.
'It was like encountering him' is different from ' I encountered him' and should be used clearly differently.
Doing otherwise smacks of attempt at deceit.
Don't forget that recently in this country, a famous 'man of God' 'encounterd 'him' where 'he' assured him he would make him the president of Nigeria in 2003, then 2007.
Well, the result is history,
So what happened to that claim of encounter/vision/dream/inner voice.
Don't worry, I know there's always an explanantion.
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ricadelide (m)
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If that is true, then how come they become normal when anti-psychotic drugs are prescribed for them?
Actually Seun such patients do not become 'normal' when placed on such medications. That kind of therapy is palliative rather than curative, they relieve patients of their symptoms. That's why the therapy has to be sustained, as the condition reverts if therapy is discontinued. Personally, I've witnessed a patient on such medications and, although sedated or might i say calm, the person was not normal. The draw back is that they usually have a lot of side-effects; some patients even decide to take time off such prescriptions to lessen the toll on the mind and its various side-effects. The movie 'The Beautiful Mind', although exaggerated, provides a little insight into such conditions and the negative effects of such kinds of therapy arising from the non-specific actions of the drugs used. Cheers.
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cgift (m)
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Seun, have you ever pondered why doctors say they cannot understand what is rong with a pateint since all their medical diagnoses show absolutely nothing is wrong?  ?? Come on, wake up, there is more to life than meets the eyes. don't kid yourself.
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