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Chxta (m)
MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« on: January 12, 2006, 03:16 PM »

MARKETS in Enugu witnessed some heightened excitement yesterday as members of the Movement for the Actualisation of the Sovereign State of Biafra (MASSOB) officially introduced the "Biafran pound" into the coal city, defying efforts by security agents to stop the spread of the currency.

Traders in the markets welcomed the MASSOB men enthusiastically and freely offered their wares in exchange for the "Biafran pound" of all denominations. The traders also provided cover for the currency bearers as they moved from shop to shop in the markets daring security officials to arrest them.


www.guardiannewsngr.com/news/article05/120106

Trouble on the horizon.  Jesus!  How can people be so short sighted? Huh
Seun (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #1 on: January 12, 2006, 11:18 PM »

If you are a Nairaland member and you are in Enugu, please get the hell out of there.  Please get the hell out of there, especially if you are living anywhere close to the market.  Do not play with your life.  Please do not play with your life.  Get the hell out of there because I will not mourn for anybody when the inevitable happens and guns start firing.  obasanjo is a military man and we all know what he will do so get the hell out of there.  Cry
Sesan2
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #2 on: January 12, 2006, 11:56 PM »

What a stupid thing to do. Obasanjo does not need to fire a shot. The money is not legal tender. Just print millions of it and give it away in the markets and let's see who will exchange their goods for it. Absolutely stupid.
Seun (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #3 on: January 12, 2006, 11:59 PM »

Yes, but let the Nairaland members in the area get the hell out of there please.  Military men do not know how to solve prolblems like this without the use of guns.  Please, I beg you to get the hell out of there and avoid that market.
prince_onx
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #4 on: January 13, 2006, 06:49 AM »

Good looking out Seun!
Sesan2: Lets not pray for evil. You might think this people can't do nothing or underestimate them but remember a marginalized person can do anything for his/her freedom. What if the whole eastern traders refuses to accept Naira from people that buy their goods? won't that affect other part of the country? All we need this time is God's intervention in Nigeria.
otokx (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #5 on: January 13, 2006, 11:57 AM »

Why all the fretting? do u know that some naira e.g N5 and N10 is no more accepted in some churches and banks. So what is all the noise about some traders accepting biafran notes. If i go to the market i wont accept biafran notes for change; let them be.
CHOCHORI (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #6 on: January 13, 2006, 02:28 PM »

I am really disappointed in wot some of presumed intellects of nairaland are saying i.e segun whom i love reading his post because sometimes they are logical and factual,chexta just dnt kw wot to tell u because i think ur post is very inhumane,just listen to yourself, gather the...... and shoot them. u are talkming about ur fellow humanbeing,who is fighting for his right in a peaceful and diplomatic way,and all u have to say is for them to be gathered and killed.may God help u!!!

Now lets be realistic,this is a group of people fighting for freedom,wants to get it without bloodshed and instead of encouraging them,u are riddiculing them.it took one man to save the whole world,christ,it took one man to give scotland wot they wanted, william wallace,it also took one man to get indians to where they are told,gandh,mandella for south african and martin luther king jnr and rossa park for  the black community in usa.it wasnt easy for them because none of them were supported,they were all called names and treated badly,went to prisons,some had to die because of it,but at the end of the day,the good must overcome the bad.

it takes revolution to cause a drastic change and i so much believe that one day there will be a turn around and and these peoples effort will be reward by God almighty because he sees all things. ""an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. do not dream up thousands of reasons why should not do wot you want to do,only find a reason why u should do it,beware of men who stand aloof and greet every venture with reprove,the world will stop if things are being run by those who say IT can't BE DONE"" VOICE of MARTIN LUTHER KING JNR. (r.i.p) my idol. these are my words for MASSOBS FREEDOM FIGHTERS. DON CHOCHORI
Rottweiler (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #7 on: January 13, 2006, 03:39 PM »

The truth of the matter is that Nigeria is just a Jungle!  A big one at that. Nothing surprises me anymore. We need to genuinely sit down and sort out our problems. I am from the south-west, but I feel bitter thinking of what the Igbos have gone through since the cessation of the civil war. How many Igbos do we have in government? When was the last time an Igbo man headed the military or the Police or even the other security outfits? How many Igbo generals do we have now?We need to reconcile our differences genuinely in order to move forward. May God help us. I love Nigeria!
Missworld (f)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #8 on: January 13, 2006, 03:49 PM »

That's word chochori! the igbos have been waiting patiently for the so called peace settlement but will it ever come I still doubt. Besides these guys are nonviolent, the only reason Obasanjo will fire guns is because he's in a corrupt power and that's what the Massobs are fighting for.
ldollier (f)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #9 on: January 13, 2006, 04:02 PM »

AMEN@chochori

AMEN@ chochori

as for the sarcastic remarks some people made, well only God knows Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Shocked Roll Eyes

AMEN@chochori. thats definitely WORD!!!
prettyH (f)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #10 on: January 13, 2006, 04:51 PM »

The problem with Nigeria today is that we can't call a spade a spade. Will the actions of the MASSOB people ameliorate the problems of the ibo people? Chochori u are talking of revolution? Sorry is the distribution of currency a revolution? The currency they are distributing will never become a legal tender thats for sure. So what r we talking about? Only God knows who MASSOB is fighting for because everything in Nigeria is self gain. Well i know one thing for sure that this must be a political move for 2007 elections. Unfortunately it is the poor that always suffers after everything.


Quote from: CHOCHORI on January 13, 2006, 02:28 PM
I am really disappointed in wot some of presumed intellects of nairaland are saying i.e segun whom i love reading his post because sometimes they are logical and factual,chexta just dnt kw wot to tell u because i think your post is very inhumane,just listen to yourself, gather the...... and shoot them. u are talkming about your fellow humanbeing,who is fighting for his right in a peaceful and diplomatic way,and all u have to say is for them to be gathered and killed.may God help u!!!

Now lets be realistic,this is a group of people fighting for freedom,wants to get it without bloodshed and instead of encouraging them,u are riddiculing them.it took one man to save the whole world,christ,it took one man to give scotland wot they wanted, william wallace,it also took one man to get indians to where they are told,gandh,mandella for south african and martin luther king jnr and rossa park for  the black community in usa.it wasnt easy for them because none of them were supported,they were all called names and treated badly,went to prisons,some had to die because of it,but at the end of the day,the good must overcome the bad.

it takes revolution to cause a drastic change and i so much believe that one day there will be a turn around and and these peoples effort will be reward by God almighty because he sees all things. ""an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. do not dream up thousands of reasons why should not do wot you want to do,only find a reason why u should do it,beware of men who stand aloof and greet every venture with reprove,the world will stop if things are being run by those who say IT can't BE DONE"" VOICE of MARTIN LUTHER KING JNR. (r.i.p) my idol. these are my words for MASSOBS FREEDOM FIGHTERS. DON CHOCHORI
otokx (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #11 on: January 13, 2006, 05:24 PM »

prettyH hit the nail on the head. You took the words out of my mouth
Seun (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #12 on: January 13, 2006, 06:25 PM »

Those who are printing the currency and using it to buy real goods and services which they can later sell for real money (naira) are the ones who are profiting from this funny business.
Chxta (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #13 on: January 13, 2006, 08:46 PM »

Quote from: CHOCHORI on January 13, 2006, 02:28 PM
I am really disappointed in wot some of presumed intellects of nairaland are saying i.e segun whom i love reading his post because sometimes they are logical and factual,chexta just dnt kw wot to tell u because i think your post is very inhumane,just listen to yourself, gather the...... and shoot them. u are talkming about your fellow humanbeing,who is fighting for his right in a peaceful and diplomatic way,and all u have to say is for them to be gathered and killed.may God help u!!!

Now lets be realistic,this is a group of people fighting for freedom,wants to get it without bloodshed and instead of encouraging them,u are riddiculing them.it took one man to save the whole world,christ,it took one man to give scotland wot they wanted, william wallace,it also took one man to get indians to where they are told,gandh,mandella for south african and martin luther king jnr and rossa park for the black community in usa.it wasnt easy for them because none of them were supported,they were all called names and treated badly,went to prisons,some had to die because of it,but at the end of the day,the good must overcome the bad.

it takes revolution to cause a drastic change and i so much believe that one day there will be a turn around and and these peoples effort will be reward by God almighty because he sees all things. ""an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. do not dream up thousands of reasons why should not do wot you want to do,only find a reason why u should do it,beware of men who stand aloof and greet every venture with reprove,the world will stop if things are being run by those who say IT can't BE DONE"" VOICE of MARTIN LUTHER KING JNR. (r.i.p) my idol. these are my words for MASSOBS FREEDOM FIGHTERS. DON CHOCHORI

The punishment for treason is death the last time I checked, and there is no other way to cut it. What these guys are doing is treason! Biafran pound is another legal tender, what country on the planet is running parallel currencies? Even European Union countries phased out their local currencies when they introduced the Euro!

I am a proud Igbo man. But I speak my mind and recognise stupidity when I see it. This MASSOB experiment can only bring us sorrow, tears and blood. I want no part of it.

Does any person of the Igbo ethnic group on this forum really think that the rest of Nigeria will just let us walk away? Does anyone think that in the event of the conflict that would arise from said action we would win? Does anyone think that ndi'Igbo can survive on their own as a country? A landlocked entity?

Take the example of Swaziland and Lesotho who both live in a South African sea and know what will happen to us if we allow this madness to continue. 'Biafra' will be a banana republic in a Nigerian sea. It won't last 5 years before it becomes an impoverished nation. Mark my words.

Do you think the people in Cross River state will back us? You want to know why we lost the civil war? Cameroon didn't support Biafra. The 'Biafran minorities' didn't want to be part of that experiment. The Civil War began at Gakem in today's Cross River state, which was a part of Biafra. But according to the account of Olusegun Obasanjo in his book My Command, Federal troops didn't encounter any resistance on 'Biafran' soil until they got to Nsukka! That alone will tell you that these people do not have our backs!

We have Igbo speaking peoples in Rivers state. Our most Southernmost point is Eleme in Rivers State, and many of them don't consider themselves to be Igbo in the first place! We don't even treat them like they are Igbo. No, we hear such bullshit as 'they are not authentic Igbomen'. Who is authentic and who is fake? I didn't grow up in the East, but whenever I go 'home' for such occassions as Christmas, people laugh at my spoken Igbo. That I speak like onye ocha! That attitude will get us nowhere. That by extension makes me a fake Igboman!

We have Igbo speaking peoples in Benue and Kogi states. How many of you know that. Can we count on them in the event of a conflict?

We have Igbo speaking people in Delta State. Starting from Igbanke in Edo State to Asaba in Delta State (West to East), Illah to Kwale (North to South), these people all speak dialects of Igbo. In all their languages, come is bia and thank you is dalu, but we treat them like they are not our own. There were two massacres of Igbo speaking villages by Federal troops during the war, both in 1968, one was at Ihiala, but by far the larger massacre was at Asaba where 2 generations of Asaba men and boys were wiped out. But we don't consider them to be Igbo. Do you think they'd really support us if we break off from Nigeria?

Even amongst the 'authentic' Igbomen. An Onitsha man would rather describe himself as onye Osha rather than as onye Igbo. Look at us in the National Assembly. The Yorubas didn't vote Uncle Sege into office (they backed Falae for those who don't remember), but when the chips were down, they all almost to a man stood behind their son. Does any of you remember Salisu Buhari? The Hausas backed him until it became ovbious that the man was more a liability than an asset, and they quietly dropped him with the minimum possible damage. But look at the position 'zoned' to us. Since 1999 how many Senate Presidents have we had? I have even forgotten their names. And you know the funny thing? Most of the time it is fellow Igbo men that sponsor the motion(s) to pull them down.

How in God's name can we have someone like Arthur Nzeribe still representing a section of our people? No matter how small that section is? Do you know what that man did to us during the war? He sold arms to both sides. The arms that the Federals got were in good tip-top condition. The arms that Biafra got, his people got were all faulty! And yet such a man still goes 'home' to Oguta in peace and good health. How then can you convince me that a people like this who apparently have no unity of purpose can successfully run a country of their own?

Look at the more recent events in Anambra state. The battle of the Chrises 2 (for those who don't know, the first battle of the Chrises was between Okotie and Oyakhilome, the second which I am referring to was between Ngige and Uba). Do you think that kind of country will survive? How many airports do we have in Igboland? How many roads? And please no one should tell me marginalisation. Ask for the story of how the Awka airport project was scuttled and by whom then you will know that the Igbo mans worst enemy is his fellow Igbo man!

It is said that ndi Igbo are traders by nature, and you want to restrict them to that small territory called Igbo land? I don't think so. Personally, I believe in Nigeria. And once again I make bold to say this: MASSOB and all who back it are traitors. Shoot all traitors!
DoubleRevv (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #14 on: January 13, 2006, 09:38 PM »

You guys this is the beef I have with my brothers nd sisters in the east. the keep crying foul even when the ball is not on the court. Is
Soludo aka solution an Ijebu man or Ndi okereke from Kafanchan. what of kema chikwe,fabian Osuji , Dora Akunyili or Okonjo Iweala. sorry but the Igbos have no onus to cry marginalilsation. Call your politicians to order! sadly most people would swallow Politicians crap hook line and sinker.
The Igbo man may be under-represented in the army but don't fault OBJ. we had other dictators before him.

Also I would like to point out that the Igbos are not as peace loving as the want ME to believe. I have witnessed Igbo youths beating someone from another tribe mercilessly. I don't want to be partisan but the easterners have a lot to learn and do before crying Foul. I can already sense certain people of eastern extraction spoilingfor a fight. or is it an argument?

Long live south-south.north east,north central south west south east north west and everywhere. I hope this means Nigeria. have a nice week all.
Chxta (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #15 on: January 13, 2006, 09:45 PM »

Exactly DoubleRevv. I always wonder when they cry marginalisation. Marginalise what? Bauchi gets way less from the Federation account than Enugu, but which is in better shape?
CHOCHORI (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #16 on: January 13, 2006, 11:27 PM »

prettyH, if u don't really understand wot a revolution means,i will be glad to take u down the line of struggle, when ghandi started his 1000s of miles walk,people thought he was mad and wondered how that will help the situation,but today they celebrate him in india.when martin lutther king jnr and co started the bus boycott in montgomery and alabama in usa, some black brothers thought they were mad and didnt want to aqssociate with them,they were regarded as societal deviants and unguided miscrants but today he is also celebrated and those who were calling him names were the first to enjoy the dividend of his struggle because he didnt live long after the struggle.may his soul rest in peace. when rosa park refused to give up her seat in a bus, some black brothers were taking her for a fool,they were like wot the mess do u think u are doing?why can't u just stand up and behave yourself bla bla bla..... because this has been the system before u were born,u aint smart and can't change it."" her husband park hated her for it but she didnt give up. do u kw that  that single action which people like u might call stupid gave rights to the denied!!

revolution is not all about fight and blood shade,its all about doing little things that really causes a country to quake,it might look stupid to short sighted and biased people but really intense and reasonable for the objective minded. will stop so far,if u are biased i will be here to redirect u better ok. VOICE of don chochori
CHOCHORI (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #17 on: January 14, 2006, 12:02 AM »

CHXTA, do u remember that william wallace was even betrayed by his own country man while he was fighting for their freedom.theres no struggle without betrayal and opposition even by beloved brothers. brutus gave ceaser his last stab,alexandera the great killed by his own men and so on and so forth. but they usually say that the end justifies the means. u shuld be ashamed of yourself if u don't kw hw to speak ur mother tongue, this is not an insult or wot ever bt its not right. i am married to an english girl and told she speaks igbo at least so well to relate with my people back home.

i have visited a family in lagos and was suprise that this family regardless of their status do their morning prayer in igbo and still read igbo bible.the kids were all born in lagos and grew up in lagos but speak igbo and yoruba fluently.why let ur cultrure which is ur identity erode.its not funny,if u lose ur language,u have lost ur identity trust me.

calabar, asaba,rivers bla bla bla,if u remember wot happened during the death of ken sarowiwa, the rivers regrected ever betraying the civil war. go dwn and ask the poor majority of these ethnic group,they will tell u that they are tired of nigeria.this is because they have found knowledge in the words of aldous wisely holmes"" experience is not what happens to one but what man does with what happens to him""

get down to the grass root and see that people are suffering in nigeria,the ibos just like the isrealites want to go and will surely make it. i am happy that u are an ibo man and glad that i met u,i just want to tell u wot the envelope told the stamp as stated by raynald decker "stamp stick on me and we will go places" the stamp and the envelope existed for 200 years without knowing each other,but when they were brought together by decker,the stamp sticked on the envelope and thus started travelling the world round. let us come together and we will go places.remember, "" any wrong decision will be a reality today but a regrect morrow and posterity will not forgive us""
Akolawole (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #18 on: January 14, 2006, 12:36 AM »

Introduce Biafra money ke!

Maybe, they think Igbo is the same Igbo of the 60's.

None of nigeria's 3 major tribes can stand ALONE as Oil boom has killed all of us.   Cry
prettyH (f)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #19 on: January 14, 2006, 01:11 AM »

Chochori see sorry to burst ur bubble but i do fully understand what a revolution is but u didn't get my point obviously. The introduction of the biafran currency is not a revolution. I totally agree with chxta, all Massob's action will only bring more problems than a solution. If the ibos's want a state of their own, see they should all leave Nigeria lets see if they'll survive or do u think owning a state is child's play. All i know is that those of MASSOB will dessert the ibo people when yawa happens.
Missworld (f)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #20 on: January 14, 2006, 04:54 AM »

@prettyH how much more desserted do u want the igbos to be. The fact is that someone has to make that effort and sacrifice. Let's not forget that some problems can be solved without war/sword and some can't be solved without one.
Seun (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #21 on: January 14, 2006, 07:30 AM »

Those people who are printing the Biafra Pound notes are profiting at the expense of their gullible Igbo brothers.  They should be arrested and exposed as fraudsters because they are definitely not emancipators.
Chxta (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #22 on: January 14, 2006, 09:08 AM »

 Cheesy This guy has decided to enter one of my favourite subjects, history! Now let me start with this fellow...
Quote from: CHOCHORI on January 14, 2006, 12:02 AM
CHXTA, do u remember that william wallace was even betrayed by his own country man while he was fighting for their freedom.

By the time Wallace was born, King Alexander III had reigned over Scotland for over twenty years. His rule had seen a period of peace and economic stability, and he had successfully fended off continuing English claims to suzerainty. However Alexander died in 1286 leaving no surviving heir. King Edward I of England took advantage of this potential instability by arranging the Treaty of Birgham with the lords of Scotland, betrothing Margaret (Alexander's nearest surviving relative who was 4 at the time) to his son, Edward II, on the understanding that Scotland would preserve its status as a separate nation. But Margaret fell ill and died at only 8 years old (1290) on her way from her native Norway to Scotland. A number of claimants to the Scottish throne came forward almost immediately.

Contrary to popular belief, John Balliol had a right to the throne since he was next in line to Margaret. However, the Scots deemed it desirable to have an independent arbitrator to determine the issue — in order to avoid accusations of bias. The Scots invited King Edward I of England to decide the royal succession. Instead of coming as an independent arbitrator, he arrived at the Anglo-Scottish border with a large army and announced that he had come as an overlord to solve a dispute in a vassal state, forcing each potential king to pay homage to him and removed the Stone of Destiny from Scone Palace, the stone on which all of the Kings of Scots had been crowned.

Stop basing your historical assumptions of William Wallace on Braveheart. Get to know the real background of the story. Wallace was not a commoner. His father was a titled man. Wallace didn't start a war because someone wanted to mess his wife and then killed her. The real truth is this: two English soldiers challenged Wallace in the Lanark marketplace regarding his catching of fish. The argument escalated into a brawl in which the two soldiers were killed. The authorities issued a warrant for his arrest shortly thereafter. Wallace then murdered Sir William Heselrig, the English Sheriff of Lanark, in May 1297, and dismembered his corpse.

Do you know that Wallace never met Isabella, Edward II's wife? She was 13 when Wallace was executed! The man was a brigand, a murderer and all sorts of other things, but last I checked he wasn't a paedophile...

But then I digress. The point of this is that the Scotland into which Wallace was born had no sense of identity. There was no knowledge of who was what, and you have to understand that those were feudal times, when people had no national identity since they were all serfs. People in those days paid allegiance to whomsoever their overlord paid allegiance to, not to their country. Technically, Wallace was not a traitor to England since he never paid allegiance to the king of England, but in backing Robert the Bruce for the Scottish throne, he backed the wrong horse, Robert was next in line for the throne after Balliol and Monet(hope I got the spelling of the name right), but since both had agreed to pay tribute to the more powerful king to the south (Edward) Wallace decided to pitch his tent with the person who hadn't made that decision.

Once again, back in those days, nations were vested in individuals, the king who was annointed by God. There was no treason as far as a king's actions went. If we look at it in such absolute terms as this: Balliol was the rightful king, Balliol for reasons of political expediency decided to pay tribute to England, Wallace went against Balliol, then Wallace was the traitor and got what was coming to him!

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theres no struggle without betrayal and opposition even by beloved brothers.

I can't fault you on that one, we human beings are so inately selfish that people would always tend to think of their own gain before thinking of the gain of the collective...

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brutus gave ceaser his last stab,

Brutus was Caesar's protegee. But within the context of Roman history at the time, his action is understandable. Let me give you a little background on said Roman history...

According to Roman legend, Rome was founded on April 21, 753 BC by twins descendents of the Trojan prince Aeneas, Romulus and Remus. Romulus, whose name inspired the name Rome, killed Remus in a quarrel over where their new city would be located, and became the first of seven Kings of Rome.

The Roman Republic was established around 510 BC, when the last of the seven king of Rome, Tarquin the Proud, was deposed, and a system based on annually-elected magistrates was established. The most important magistrates were the two consuls, who together exercised executive authority, but had to contend with the Senate, which grew in size and power with the establishment of the Republic. The magistracies were originally restricted to the elite patricians, but were later opened to common people, or plebs.

The Romans gradually subdued the other peoples on the Italian peninsula, including the Etruscans. The last threat to Roman hegemony in Italy came when Tarentum, a major Greek colony, enlisted the aid of Pyrrhus of Epirus in 282 BC, but this effort failed as well. The Romans secured their conquests by founding Roman colonies in strategic areas, and established stable control over the region. In the second half of the 3rd century BC, Rome clashed with Carthage in the first two Punic wars. These wars resulted in Rome's first overseas conquests, of Sicily and Hispania, and the rise of Rome as a significant imperial power. After defeating the Macedonian and Seleucid Empires in the 2nd century BC, the Romans became the masters of the Mediterranean Sea.

But foreign dominance led to internal strife. Senators became rich at the provinces' expense, but soldiers, mostly small farmers, were away from home longer and could not maintain their land, and the increased reliance on foreign slaves reduced the availablility of paid work. The Senate squabbled perpetually, repeatedly blocking important land reforms. Violent gangs of the urban unemployed, controlled by rival Senators, intimidated the electorate by violence. The denial of Roman citizenship to allied Italian cities led to the Social War of 91-88 BC. The military reforms of Marius resulted in soldiers often having more loyalty to their commander than to the city, and a powerful general could hold the city and Senate ransom. This culminated in Sulla's brutal dictatorship of 81-79 BC.

In the mid-1st century BC, three men, Julius Caesar, Pompey, and Crassus, formed a secret pact—the First Triumvirate—to control the Republic. After Caesar's conquest of Gaul, a stand-off between Caesar and the Senate led to civil war, with Pompey leading the Senate's forces. Caesar emerged victorious, and was made dictator for life. In 42 BC, Caesar was assassinated by senators fearing that Caesar sought to restore the monarchy, and a Second Triumvirate, consisting of Caesar's designated heir, Octavius, and his former supporters, Mark Antony and Lepidus, took power. However, this alliance too soon descended into a struggle for dominance. Lepidus was exiled, and when Octavius defeated Antony and Cleopatra of Egypt at the Battle of Actium in 31 BC, he became the undisputed ruler of Rome.

The point is that the senators were right in their fears about Caesar. He wanted undisputed power a la that of a King. He didn't get it, but his nephew did, and when Octavius became Augustus the emperor, the senate's powers were whittled down!
A good current issue to use and compare Caesar's ambition at the time is Abacha's (and/or Obasanjo's) 'life president' bid. Do you support it? That is the kind of thing that Brutus, Cassius and Cicero decided to fight against!

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alexandera the great killed by his own men

Is that so? In 323 BC, Alexander died of a mysterious illness in the palace of Nebuchadrezzar II of Babylon. He was just one month shy of attaining 33 years of age. Various theories have been proposed for the cause of his death which include sickness that followed a drinking party, or a relapse of the malaria he had contracted in 336 BC.

What is certain is that on May 29 323 BC, Alexander participated in a banquet organized by his friend Medius of Larissa. After some heavy drinking, immediately or after a bath, he was forced to bed badly ill. The troops started rumors, more and more anxious, and on June 9, the generals decided to let the soldiers see their king alive one last time. They were admitted to his presence one at a time, while the king, too ill to speak, confined himself to move his hand. The day after, Alexander was dead.

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and so on and so forth. but they usually say that the end justifies the means. u shuld be ashamed of yourself if u don't kw hw to speak your mother tongue, this is not an insult or wot ever bt its not right. i am married to an english girl and told she speaks igbo at least so well to relate with my people back home.

Bite me, but I never said that I can't speak Igbo. I said that my accent is such that people in the village tell me that I speak Igbo with an English accent. And if a child can't speak his 'mother' tongue, who do you blame? Him? Or his parents who didn't speak it to him? My father doesn't speak Igbo well maya tovarish, he was born and bred on Lagos Island and speaks Yoruba better than Uncle Sege. The only reason we spoke Igbo in any form at home was because of my mother, so what are you talking about? If language is your issue, I speak 6 so what are we saying?

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i have visited a family in lagos and was suprise that this family regardless of their status do their morning prayer in igbo and still read igbo bible.the kids were all born in lagos and grew up in lagos but speak igbo and yoruba fluently.

That could easily have been my family, except that we grew up in Benin, not Lagos, so substitution, out: Yoruba, in: Edo!

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why let your cultrure which is your identity erode.its not funny,if u lose your language,u have lost your identity trust me.
Not all the time. Michael Burke III can't speak German, but it hasn't prevented him from becoming one of the world's foremost experts on German history and ancient Germanic culture. The harsh fact is this: language and culture are like people, dynamic. They live and die if they are non-competitive. Only 3 languages spoken now are still spoken in the form they were spoken 2000 years ago: Berber, Arabic and Arhamaic. All other languages have evolved, and/or died!

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calabar, asaba,rivers bla bla bla,if u remember wot happened during the death of ken sarowiwa, the rivers regrected ever betraying the civil war. go dwn and ask the poor majority of these ethnic group,they will tell u that they are tired of nigeria.this is because they have found knowledge in the words of aldous wisely holmes"" experience is not what happens to one but what man does with what happens to him""

Once again, vintage Igbo arrogance. Who said they regret betraying the civil war? Can you provide us with links to that effect? And get one thing right, there is no ethnic group such as Rivers. The people who were affected during the Saro-Wiwa thing are the Ogoni people, and they have never aligned themselves with Igbo people. During the war it was from Ogoni land that 3 Marine Commando began their assault on Biafra from the South!

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get down to the grass root and see that people are suffering in nigeria,the ibos just like the isrealites want to go and will surely make it. i am happy that u are an ibo man and glad that i met u,i just want to tell u wot the envelope told the stamp as stated by raynald decker "stamp stick on me and we will go places" the stamp and the envelope existed for 200 years without knowing each other,but when they were brought together by decker,the stamp sticked on the envelope and thus started travelling the world round. let us come together and we will go places.remember, "" any wrong decision will be a reality today but a regrect morrow and posterity will not forgive us""

Firstly, the 'grassroots' that are suffering in Nigeria are not only Igbo people! Take a trip around the country (the only states I am yet to visit for more than 2 days are Kebbi, Ogun, Akwa Ibom, Gombe, Katsina and Jigawa). Every part of Nigeria has serious issues. Trust me on this: people in Yobe for example have it far worse than any person in the entire Eastern Nigeria! So what are we talking about?
Yes, still Igbo, but I prefer to classify myself as Nigerian before classifying myself as Igbo. Never heard of this Decker fellow whom you just quoted, but I can tell you this: you talk of a wrong decision. Breaking away from Nigeria would be a wrong decision.
Missworld (f)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #23 on: January 14, 2006, 04:04 PM »

@Chxta, good history bro! @Chochori and Chxta, no one actually knows what is wrong or right decision at this time, we are only voicing our opinions. I personally believe that a man should acquire that which he desires therefore, whatever the ibos want should be addressed somehow in that so called government.    Breaking away from Nigeria would be a wrong decision.
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First of all, I think that Nigeria itself is big mistake by the Europeans. Don't get me wrong, I just think that the Europeans messed up the whole African continent by merging countries together since there's no written records. Please correct me if I'm wrong because I want to know more Wink
Chxta (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #24 on: January 14, 2006, 05:21 PM »

Quote from: Missworld on January 14, 2006, 04:04 PM
@Chxta, good history bro! @Chochori and Chxta, no one actually knows what is wrong or right decision at this time, we are only voicing our opinions. I personally believe that a man should acquire that which he desires therefore, whatever the ibos want should be addressed somehow in that so called government. Breaking away from Nigeria would be a wrong decision.

That is the point, there is no clear definition of what the Igbos want as a people. What we have are only personal interests and objectives/motives.

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First of all, I think that Nigeria itself is big mistake by the Europeans. Don't get me wrong, I just think that the Europeans messed up the whole African continent by merging countries together since there's no written records. Please correct me if I'm wrong because I want to know more Wink

Granted, Nigeria and a lot of other African countries may be mistakes in the context of the fact that unlike the Europeans and Asians we have been given less than a century to attain nationhood, while France for example had over 500 years to get to the same place. Germany wasn't even a nation until as recently as 1871. But the mistake has been made, and you do not make another mistake in order to correct a previous one. You only push yourself deeper into the hole.

The Europeans created entities (which have become countries) back in 1884 for their own selfish economic interests. But then again, India was also raped by the Europeans, so what are we saying? The nation of Indonesia is more multi-cultural than Nigeria, but they have gotten up from that and moved on. The only truly homogenous country in the far-east is Japan,  who were never a colony, but the others have moved on. I think it is time Africans stopped blaming Europeans for their problems and learn to solve them. And one of those solutions is to unite and move on. A house divided against itself cannot stand!
prettyH (f)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #25 on: January 14, 2006, 05:38 PM »

Quote from: Missworld on January 14, 2006, 04:54 AM
@prettyH how much more desserted do u want the igbos to be. The fact is that someone has to make that effort and sacrifice. Let's not forget that some problems can be solved without war/sword and some can't be solved without one.


No one disputes the fact that certain situations are solvable without a war. But my bone of contention lies in the fact that MASSOB can not succeed with their plan . Its too obvious to see that only the majority of ibo's will suffer. They went into the market palce distributing their currency which is not a medium of exchange, and taking goods.  At the end of it all , who would have lost..of course those who hold the currency.

Really what are the ibo's fighting for? Is it for a presidential candidate because i do not understand MASSOB's reason(s) for their action(s)
Ralex (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #26 on: January 14, 2006, 09:21 PM »

Now now now now, my friends, this MASSOB thing is actually not being supported by the majority of igbos, The learned ones look down on it as stupidity, it is mostly being debated by "Okada" riders and market women.

There is no doubt that is an avenue for political attention seekers to create awareness for themselves.

I believe that anybody with a little idea of economics, understands history and knows first hand the evirnoment (our neighbours, the Deltains, Rivers, e.t.c)   would consider such move to "part ways" as stupidity. The igbo's are traders, they are also LAND LOCKED. Delta would never follow BIAFRA, neither will Rivers if Biafra "part ways".  They will want to go on their own with their oil wealth and believe me Imo will quitely follow them. (Oil being the incentive).

This is not 1967, We have nothing to offer Deltains and River but we need their water ways, the little oil we have will be stuck inland and moving it out will be at a high cost, if we dreg d niger we still have to pass their water way, if we fly we will pass their air space. We Igbos should be begging Delta and rivers to allow us join them.

The noise of MASSOB doesnt have a popular support, ( I just left East for Lagos), people only react to their warnings not to adhere to go to work so as to prevent being hurt or their goods destroyed.

And believe me .... we do not want to leave the leadership to the present Igbo leaders

Chxta.... give them the economics of being land locked.

Chxta (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #27 on: January 15, 2006, 12:59 AM »

Quote from: Ralex on January 14, 2006, 09:21 PM
Now now now now, my friends, this MASSOB thing is actually not being supported by the majority of igbos, The learned ones look down on it as stupidity, it is mostly being debated by "Okada" riders and market women.

There is no doubt that is an avenue for political attention seekers to create awareness for themselves.

I believe that anybody with a little idea of economics, understands history and knows first hand the evirnoment (our neighbours, the Deltains, Rivers, e.t.c) would consider such move to "part ways" as stupidity. The igbo's are traders, they are also LAND LOCKED. Delta would never follow BIAFRA, neither will Rivers if Biafra "part ways". They will want to go on their own with their oil wealth and believe me Imo will quitely follow them. (Oil being the incentive).

This is not 1967, We have nothing to offer Deltains and River but we need their water ways, the little oil we have will be stuck inland and moving it out will be at a high cost, if we dreg d niger we still have to pass their water way, if we fly we will pass their air space. We Igbos should be begging Delta and rivers to allow us join them.

The noise of MASSOB doesnt have a popular support, ( I just left East for Lagos), people only react to their warnings not to adhere to go to work so as to prevent being hurt or their goods destroyed.

And believe me .... we do not want to leave the leadership to the present Igbo leaders

Chxta.... give them the economics of being land locked.



Enough said!
pkrix (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #28 on: January 15, 2006, 02:57 PM »

MASSOB can afford to do whatever is lawful or lawless afterall Nigeria is a place of mixed jurisdictions, a place here injustice abound.

Isn't it injustice and greed that Biafra should not be given freedom after over 40 years of fight for freedom?

But on the issue of the Biafran pounds, I wish to commend that the Biafran States stop collecting Naira if possible so that the whole of Nigeria will get the heat in the hardest possible gravity.

However, I think the Biafran States will have to take on this issue with some sense of caution.

Chxta (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #29 on: January 15, 2006, 03:53 PM »

Huh
Seun (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #30 on: January 15, 2006, 06:25 PM »

He is betraying the fact that he has not read your previous posts.
owo (m)
Re: MASSOB Officials Introduce Biafran Pound In Enugu
« #31 on: January 16, 2006, 12:49 PM »

Reading of a post or presentation does not imply agreement or acceptance.
He has stated his own view (which is his entitlement).

If there was no basis for their agitation, then a referendum would have been conducted there, so that the people in these areas can say their mind.

If there was no justification for their cry, then it would should have died long ago.

Why is Nigeria so afraid of 'allowing' its constituent units to decide what it wants to do with itself? Why must this 'forced' unity be foisted on all at all cost? Whose interest is being served by this 'unity'? Why is it difficult for more than one star to shine in the Nigerian sky?

This 'landlocked' theory is the most lame crab that I've heard in a long time.
This 'Igbos-are-traders' stereotype is one of the most ignorance based prejudices that is existent on this forum.

Let Igbos be what they want to be. A great deal of Nigeria's freedom/growth/prosperity lies in consciously 'allowing' an 'explosion' of the Igbo race. If you want to find out....remove all of them from the current government and see where it stands.
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