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gracious (f)
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@panthress and @ kokscity. Most jails have more black than white. the reason being the discrimination by the judge. They sentence black guys to many years in jail and white guys to fewer years.
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panthress (f)
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lol thatz what i told kokscity
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Kokscity (m)
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@Gracious & Pantress
Here we go! We have grown women making some careless statement,without facts to back it up." Here say" are not facts. The population of Black males and females in the US is about 1million. Total population is 2.2million. Black population in the US is 16% Blacks in Jail are 47% of Jail Population. Now that is because blacks commit more crime proportional to their population. Now Judges interpret laws, the do not make law. The rockfeller law that you are talking about has harsh sentences for Crack Cocaine versus Regular Cocaine. But in general all law applies to everyone equally.
Now if blacks get bad legal representation is another story, but your blaming everything on Racism and a conspiracy does not pass the smell test in 2006.Damn Pantress i am living as a black man in America, i cannot tell u want is going on in North London. I live this shit everyday!
Kokscity!
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panthress (f)
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ok then. u live there, so I'm going to go with u. im sayin them people r da reason why black pplz r commitin da crimes when they r high. do u agree that that all da drug addicts in america are drug addicts r caused by the govenment. hey i see someone loves talkin to me  holla back dam boy don't u read ma post. ok then(u live there, so I'm going to go with u.) i still think it is the USA governments fault that there r so many addicts in the USA. aah read a bit more homie and how did u kno that north weezee waz north london holla back hugz for ya |
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nferyn (m)
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Damn Panthress
I see you're one deep conspiracy Theorist. You are what i am call a "here say" Lady. But i am going back to the sidelines.
Kokscity Just had to reply that one.
Conspiracy theories are not productive and do not address the issues at all. You can definitely talk about the infiltration of the Black Panthers by the FBI (which was still operating under Hoover), but the funny thing is that the goals and methods of the Black Panther movement were far more progressive and positive than what they try to sell as their ideas nowadays. If you read the 10 point program of the Black Panther movement ( http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Manifestos/Panther_platform.html) and a condensed history of the Black Panther Party ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party), you will understand that they are very different from the idiotic counter-racism that is sometimes displayed by some members of this board. @Nferyn
I said" how is my white brother from another mother". I was saying Hi.
Well, hi to you to.  I'm still learning the idioms, so forgive my ignorance on that matter |
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nferyn (m)
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If you could, I'D be very happy to read about it |
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davidylan (m)
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dam boy don't u read ma post. ok then(u live there, so I'm going to go with u.)
i still think it is the USA governments fault that there r so many addicts in the USA.
aah read a bit more homie and how did u kno that north weezee waz north london
holla back
hugz for ya
a few years ago i would have believed your story but having lived in the USA for a while, i tend to totally disagree with you. How is it the fault of the US government that there are so many addicts in the USA? Did they plant drugs in peoples houses? Why do more blacks do drugs than white? Are drugs sold only where blacks can find them? Dearie, a big no! I am presently doing a doctoral program in a med school in newyork, since day 1 i have been utterly disappointed by the non-chalant attitude of black people to education in general. Do you believe that in a class of over 100 first year students there are only 3 black people (urs sincerely included) in the whole class? Would you believe that in my whole laboratory block i am virtually the only black face? I am yet to come across a black professor in this whole school. now turn to the opposite side of the coin, 90% of cleaners are black! With the exception of senior security officials, the bottom rung of security men, janitors and carpark attendants are black! I must confess there are days i am ashamed to be black! and this is a city where at least 30% of the population are black! I have consistently told anyone that cares to listen that i am NOT AFRICAN AMERICAN but a NIGERIAN! Black americans spend so much time celebrating martin luther king day forgetting that the greatest source of power and freedom lies in education. Most black kids here do not go to school, majority drop out of high school and only a few ever make it to college. it is shameful that the largest teen pregnancy cases in my city are blacks, the worst neighborhoods are black neighborhoods and the largest crime rate is recorded among blacks! I have consistently maintained that black americans do not have the excuse of "racism" to hide their inadequacies, if fellow blacks from africa (who have the compounded problem of being illegal or resident aliens!) can come and make it to the top of the ladder in this same nation! I for one am an international student but i have all my tuition and living expenses paid for by the US govt, why should a black american refuse to go to college with the plethora of schorlaships and federal funding available to them. Thousands of asians and africans are trooping in to the US daily to take advantage of scholarship and fellowship opportunities by the same US govt blacks accuse of neglecting them. QUES: why were the katrina victims mainly black and poor? ANS: Poverty, ignorance, laziness and overdependence on the US welfare system by the blacks. If white people did not have to wait for buses to ship them out of new orleans, why are the blacks accusing the federal govt of "abandoning them. The question to be asked is "how did so many white people get to escape the storm?" Where they preferentially airlifted out of danger by the US govt? |
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Kokscity (m)
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@Daviddylan
I am sure you are good @ Medicine and all, but i think you have it all wrong here bro. Blacks definitely do not do more drugs than white, they might sell it more, but there are more whites on drugs in this country.
Wow i think u may be a total hater, with all these stats you are throwing around. Lousy and carelessly telling people untrue statements about black Americans on this thread. Now i cannot believe an educated critical thinking person like u, will make such dumb statements about Katrina.
Listen Bro! Think before u write, so u do not sound like an EggHead. New Orleans was 70% Black before the storm and therefore more blacks were displaced after the storm.You are running your mouth and less than a thousand people died in that big city after a CAT 5 STORM. Storms in Florida have pass through and killed as many people and they are even more frequent over in FL. The truth is that people did not think it was going to be that strong, and no body knows how hard it will hit land.You are killing me, i feel like shaking some smarts into your head so that you can stop your crazy talk. You claim blacks are lazy and do not care about education and are all about crime abi? I am not sure where all these blanket statements come from when NY city has nearly 3million Blacks in a city with 8-9million blacks. African Americans are the richest and most dynamic black people in the diaspora and you think because you can come to America and use opportunities that are already here, all of a sudden the blacks here are no good. Look at your country and tell me what amount commit crime? How many go to school? How many kill each other savagely ETC.Dude you should be smarter than this, i am disappointed at haters like you, and you make me sad.
I think that u have gone off the plantation and you need to stop making blanket and bone headed statements.
Kokscity is ready, Locked and Loaded. Bring it!!
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davidylan (m)
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@Daviddylan
I am sure you are good @ Medicine and all, but i think you have it all wrong here bro. Blacks definitely do not do more drugs than white, they might sell it more, but there are more whites on drugs in this country.
Wow i think u may be a total hater, with all these stats you are throwing around. Lousy and carelessly telling people untrue statements about black Americans on this thread. Now i cannot believe an educated critical thinking person like u, will make such dumb statements about Katrina.
Listen Bro! Think before u write, so u do not sound like an EggHead. New Orleans was 70% Black before the storm and therefore more blacks were displaced after the storm.You are running your mouth and less than a thousand people died in that big city after a CAT 5 STORM. Storms in Florida have pass through and killed as many people and they are even more frequent over in FL. The truth is that people did not think it was going to be that strong, and no body knows how hard it will hit land.You are killing me, i feel like shaking some smarts into your head so that you can stop your crazy talk. You claim blacks are lazy and do not care about education and are all about crime abi? I am not sure where all these blanket statements come from when NY city has nearly 3million Blacks in a city with 8-9million blacks. African Americans are the richest and most dynamic black people in the diaspora and you think because you can come to America and use opportunities that are already here, all of a sudden the blacks here are no good. Look at your country and tell me what amount commit crime? How many go to school? How many kill each other savagely ETC.Dude you should be smarter than this, i am disappointed at haters like you, and you make me sad.
I think that u have gone off the plantation and you need to stop making blanket and bone headed statements.
Kokscity is ready, Locked and Loaded. Bring it!!
i will sincerely refuse to be drawn to any name calling on this thread because i believe there are mature people here. you just proved my theory right by your undue heat and insults. Sorry if you are african american but that is just but the plain truth. i have no apologies for that! sad to still find "kids" like you on threads like this. |
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gracious (f)
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There is one thing we all seem to be missing out in all our post. Many blacks have not been given an opportunity. This is very true. Most blacks live in the south east or south in different states. Just compare to the south to the north of that state then you will really understand what i am talking about. Do you know that the drugs most black people sell is for white folks????When you see the public facilities in these areas you will be sorry. like the schools, etc. even the teachers in these areas are paid lower salaries when compared to other teachers in the white folks area.
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nferyn (m)
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@Gracious & Pantress
Here we go! We have grown women making some careless statement,without facts to back it up." Here say" are not facts. The population of Black males and females in the US is about 1million. Total population is 2.2million. Black population in the US is 16% Blacks in Jail are 47% of Jail Population. Now that is because blacks commit more crime proportional to their population. Now Judges interpret laws, the do not make law. The rockfeller law that you are talking about has harsh sentences for Crack Cocaine versus Regular Cocaine. But in general all law applies to everyone equally.
Yes, but on the other hand, the kind of crimes the black population is involved in (because of their overall socio-economic position) are punished far harsher than the kind of crimes that whites are usually involved in. That's why we rather need to look at structural racism that is ingrained in the system of governance and the overall superstructure. I'm quite sure that e.g. those judges are not intentionally racist, but by applying those specif laws in these specific circumstances, the outcome is heavily disfavorable for the black population. On top of that comes a form of racism that most are not even consciently aware of, but that is so interwoven in popular culture, that everyone is affected by it. How else can you explain that black receive consistently higher sentences for exactly the same crimes, even after normalising the data for socio-economic position? I asked you before whether or not you think that freedom is something that exist in itself or if freedom is something that needs to be created. That goes at the heart of the fallacy of the American Dream: the chips are stacked very differently for different people and contrary to popular belief, social mobility is much more of a pipedream in the US than it is in Europe. Equal opportunities do not only need to exist de jure (in the legal sense), but also de facto (in concrete, factual reality). Now if blacks get bad legal representation is another story, but your blaming everything on Racism and a conspiracy does not pass the smell test in 2006.Damn Pantress i am living as a black man in America, i cannot tell u want is going on in North London. I live this rubbish everyday!
Kokscity!
I'm not going to say that you cannot make it. If you do, that's an attest to your zeal, perseverance and ability and a show of your personal character. In reality though, you will always have to be a little bit better to get the same. It's this systematic stratification that we need to fight against. That's also why it is very unproductive to come up with conspiracy thinking and create a fictitious reality in support of your self worth. Don't go blame the man, there is no Deus ex machina , no puppet master behind the screen. It is the societal system that needs to be exposed for what it is. And there is more than sufficient to be proud of in your culture, history and heritage without having to resort to counter racist idiocy. (Kokscity, this last paragraph is - as you could have guessed - not really addressed at you) |
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nomad (m)
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Black american rappers song lyrics sure don't help the black cause.
They seem not to be able to talk of anything except sex, violence and money.
White songs are different. They are very poetic and immaterial. Try reading the lyrics of Jethro Tull, Colosseum, Pink Floyd, King Crimson.... and thousands of others.
You might say blacks are disgraced because they had no opportunity. But what opportunity, pray, had the chinese. Being a chinese, in past days' America, was worse than being a dog.
I think the problem of black people is their physical superiority. When you have those muscles, that sense of rhytm, it's very difficult to concentrate on cultural and social matters.
Ethiopians, as a matter of fact, are very small and thin. And look, they can compete with white people.
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nferyn (m)
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Black american rappers song lyrics sure don't help the black cause.
They seem not to be able to talk of anything except sex, violence and money.
That's only the brunt of contemporary rap music. Have you ever listened to Grandmaster Flash, Public Enemy or KRS-one? White songs are different. They are very poetic and immaterial. Try reading the lyrics of Jethro Tull, Colosseum, Pink Floyd, King Crimson.... and thousands of others.
That's painting with a very broad and inaccurate brush. Listen to some blues and to Billie Holiday. You need to expand your musical horizon You might say blacks are disgraced because they had no opportunity. But what opportunity, pray, had the chinese. Being a chinese, in past days' America, was worse than being a dog.
Are you going to compare voluntary immigration to being brought in slaveships? This is very disingenious I think the problem of black people is their physical superiority. When you have those muscles, that sense of rhytm, it's very difficult to concentrate on cultural and social matters.
Racist crap. There is no significant difference between races on the level of populations. Ethiopians, as a matter of fact, are very small and thin. And look, they can compete with white people.
Anyone can. This has nothing to do with posture. |
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gracious (f)
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@nomad. some black rappers are very poetic. plz don't make such generalization anymore. there is this rap by NAS where he was talking from a gun's point of view. it is really nice. haba. nomad i don't really think you listen to all the words. some may talk about sex but most of them talk about what they faced in the underground music industry, prejudice to black people. etc. afterall mostt of these rappers are from poor homes,etc. these days as a matter of fact, it is kind of hard for any ordinary black rapper to sign a contract with recording studios because most of them(studios) prefer rappers that have lived on the street, been shot, been involved in drug deals, suffered so that they can use their music to appeal to the general population. In my opinion many things that happen these days to blacks still point back to prejudice
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panthress (f)
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NOMAD ONE WORD FOR You -TUPAC
and u don't want me mentioning others
rappers talk about what they've been through and it is the country they live in that brought them in that situation
they come from a poor home juz like gracious said, rap is about your experience
go listen to a tupac song and stop listenin to them bitch ass jethro hull( who da hell is him between)
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Sesan2
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Do blacks think of themselves as inferior to other races?.....
Don't be silly!
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allonym
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About 0.7% of the US population were in prison in 2002. About 12% of the US population (~300 million) report themselves as african american. 44% of the 0.7% of americans in prison report themselves as african american. So, 0.7% of 300 million is 2.1 million. 44% of 2.1 million is 924,000.
That means, out of the 33 million african americans in the USA, 924,000 are in jail, or about 2.8% of african americans.
Now, lets look at the white population for comparison. People reporting themselves as white make up 70% of the US population or 210 million. 35% of the prison population is white, or 735,000. This is 0.35% of the white population.
So, there is definitely a disparity in the percentage of the white/black populations in jail but the total numbers of each are close to being the same.
There is a reason why the US is the #1 nation for jailing its citizens. Many people find it hard to believe that they way society worked and today works in america would create this disparity. At least until they live here for a few years. Then either they understand, or they begin perpetuating the same problems which they claim don't exist.
Telling me that blacks don't have valid arguments for racism still being a factor in their lives, and yet you would cross the street if you were approaching a group of black youths in a neighborhood in which you were unfamiliar, but yet you wouldn't do the same if the youth were white, shows me that while you don't understand, your actions show that the racism you claim to be ignorant of is still real.
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gracious (f)
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@ allonym, what is your source??? Do you believe all you read and hear from the media, Most of the time, they use different intelligence to misrepresent, manipulate and change figures just to please the public.
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allonym
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Before I respond with my source,
what part of my post do you think is false or misleading?
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shockreaction (m)
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Well, I don't find myself inferior to other races. I don't even consider skin colour when I'm dealing with people. Everyone else is a fellow human being and well, we all know how to interact with other human beings, don't we?
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zizikazi (f)
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This is a sad reality even here in South Africa. As much as there is political freedom the minds of our people still need to be decolonized or dekaffirnated. I was discussing this very issue with some friends today. I believe the Black Consciousness Movement needs to make a come-back in this country and should not have been discarded. Now we have a situation where there is democracy but people's minds are shackled. Hence the dependency that colonialism fostered is still very much prevalent today. I'm educating myself about precolonial Africa so as to dispell the western version of Africa being a continent of knuckle-draggers "fascinated" by shiny materials, giving away land for mirrors.
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Hunter (m)
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I don't have any racist views towards people of different colour, but it has to go both ways.
There alot of black people as well who feel themselves as superior for that reason... (this might not be that apparant in Nigeria, but it does happen quite a bit, alot of abboriginals hold that view here)
There's probably more white people that view blacks as "lesser' than there are blacks who view whites as "lesser" but it does happen.
Both sides need to be in agreement and we can all live happiliy ever after. :-)
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ijebuman (m)
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Well, I don't find myself inferior to other races. I don't even consider skin colour when I'm dealing with people. Everyone else is a fellow human being and well, we all know how to interact with other human beings, don't we?
I wish others felt that way. But the reality of the situation is that outside Africa your skin colour determines to a large extent how people deal with you. |
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Kokscity (m)
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Ijebuman
Well Said.I think that people "In Country" Do not understand how much racism and xenophobia affects us in the west. I work in Sales and there is a difference in how people relate to me on the phone versus in person. I am in the frontlines of this strange relationship, and i see it everyday of the week.
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Twiklight
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I was born in america but my parents are native nigerians. My parents sent me to nigeria to go to High school and learn the culture and they brought me back to america to countiue my studies and so on. I am always representing nigeria over here and I am terribly home-sick because the love for nigeria to me is very dear to my heart and there is no doubt in my mind that I will eventually settle in nigeria after I've completed my studies. What hurts me as I am in Uni here are the nigerian people I encounter on a daily basis who are trying very hard to assimilate to the american culture. (No matter how bad they looked doing it) They try there possible best to change the accents (even around fellow nigerians). They do not speak there mother tounges to each other and they insult anything which associates them with their african background. those people are insecure about themselves and aren't even people I would like to call my brothers and sisters. it is a shame how people sleep at the embassay's in hope of getting a visa to come to this country where they are forever outcast and they will never fit in. For whoever reads this article I would just like to tell you that no matter where you go try to stay true to you culture and I encourage all of you to come back to nigeria from wherever yall go to get and education, and come back with me to make our country better because I not ashamed of being a nigerian and neither should you guys.
P.S. What's up with the use of english names in nigerian films that is soooooooooooo irritating.
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paddy_lo (m)
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Most blacks don't...and Frankly most Nigerians do actually feel superior.i don't talk with any of my friends in europe without them calling whities mugu.Now coming to white men...i think..in fact i know they feel inferior to Black people..especially when it comes to sexuality and attraction..Picture this...i am chilling in a bar with my Pretty white girlfriend..she is all over me..kissing me...Most white men around me are uncomfortablee..even the bartender tries to pour my girl a mixed drink..and spills it..(True story..).....Now picture me chilling in a majority black bar...a white guy walks in with a fine ass black chick.most black guys there don't give a mess...me in my mind i am like...way to go bro...she is fine....
u all feel me.i honestly think most white men(not all..),secretly fear loosing their wives..or girlfriends to a black person.which is quite sad and honestly ignorant......
That all said..i am Nigerian..and without being too egotistical..i can say that i am smarter than 90% of Americans that i come accross.Black or white.i am talking of general knowledge..and specific knowledge too.and as for hispanics or mexicans...they don't play that with me...they know i will check them in an instant..plus lots of Nigerians are in Mexico city living large.They know who we are.nuff said...
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panthress (f)
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yo paddy lo i aint bein rude or nothin but do u smoke weed or stuff like that?
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larger_20 (m)
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I think i get the point now..
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paddy_lo (m)
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@yo paddy lo i aint bein rude or nothin but do u smoke weed or stuff like that?
Wassup panthress...u never met an aggressive black male b.4...No i dodnt smoke anything..i drink Heineken though...back in Lagos it was Gulder....I don't think u grew up in Nigeria though...if u did u will understand where i am coming from...
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panthress (f)
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nah man i saw your picture, yes i grew up in nigeria east side till i dizzeie. dude u look doped up
either u smoke weed like most of my friends or i don't know
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paddy_lo (m)
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ok i didnt see your picture, i guess u are ugly then, panthress, get it, don't make comments from miles away, i got naturally dreamy eyez though, if u must know,
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