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Ajisafe
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #32 on: February 03, 2006, 09:06 AM »

You're now qualified to be called an idiot.
nferyn (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #33 on: February 03, 2006, 09:12 AM »

Quote from: Ajisafe on February 03, 2006, 09:06 AM
You're now qualified to be called an idiot.
Did you leave your neocortex on the mantlepiece at home after you woke up? What kind of statement is this?
Ajisafe
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #34 on: February 03, 2006, 09:15 AM »

I hope you're not into that type of antisemitic bullshit.

First, I am not an antiSemite. Second, the Jews are not the only Semitic people -- in fact, the Arabs are more Semitic than the Jews. Don't follow the American media's ignorance of associating antiSemitism to the Jews only.
Ajisafe
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #35 on: February 03, 2006, 09:20 AM »

Did you leave your neocortex on the mantlepiece at home after you woke up? What kind of statement is this?

Nferyn, how dare you? Are you nuts?
Hnd-holder (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #36 on: February 03, 2006, 09:21 AM »

War? No way

nferyn

(Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence -C Sagan)

Your claim.
nferyn (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #37 on: February 03, 2006, 09:32 AM »

Quote from: Ajisafe on February 03, 2006, 09:15 AM
I hope you're not into that type of antisemitic bullshit.

First, I am not an antiSemite. Second, the Jews are not the only Semitic people -- in fact, the Arabs are more Semitic than the Jews. Don't follow the American media's ignorance of associating antiSemitism to the Jews only.

Ah, I see, the famous cop out by definition.

1. I am not American and I have no intention of following any of the American ways of thinking about anti-semitism, anti-semitism  is historically a distinctly European phenomenon, closely tied to the Catholic Church. The American and sometimes Israeli abuse of the term in defense of the State of Israel has absolutely nothing to do with my understanding of anti-semitism.
2. Antisemitism is prejudice and/or hostility against the Jews, either as religious or as an ethnic group. The fact that the Arabs are semitic people as well does not change the ethymological roots of the term anti-semitism
3. Your statement Believe me, Nferyn. The Jews are  so crafty -- masters of disguises. is a posterchild of anti-semitic prejudice, especially in reply to my statement I didn't know there were any Jewish people on this board. That's why I was wondering if you've got that idea from the infamous forgery, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
nferyn (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #38 on: February 03, 2006, 09:33 AM »

Quote from: Ajisafe on February 03, 2006, 09:20 AM
Did you leave your neocortex on the mantlepiece at home after you woke up? What kind of statement is this?

Nferyn, how dare you? Are you nuts?

I was actually replying to your insultive remark here:
Quote from: Ajisafe on February 03, 2006, 09:06 AM
You're now qualified to be called an idiot.

but you posted a reply in between
nferyn (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #39 on: February 03, 2006, 09:37 AM »

@ Hnd-holder
I don't really understand what you're asking me
Ajisafe
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #40 on: February 03, 2006, 09:40 AM »

But the remark was not meant for you. Why did you insult me, anyway?
Hnd-holder (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #41 on: February 03, 2006, 09:42 AM »

 I mean your foot note. Extraodinary claims should be left out for reality on this issue. Let us go back to the topic
nferyn (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #42 on: February 03, 2006, 09:49 AM »

Quote from: Ajisafe on February 03, 2006, 09:40 AM
But the remark was not meant for you. Why did you insult me, anyway?
Who then was that insult meant for? It came immediately after my post, so I naturally assumed that you directed it to me.
Ajisafe
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #43 on: February 03, 2006, 10:00 AM »

Look, man, you should know me by now. I don't mince words. If the remark was meant for you I would say so, and I wouldn't budge a bit. Maybe, our posts crossed paths.
UsherGurl (f)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #44 on: February 06, 2006, 09:28 PM »

There is only one Lord for everyone that we all love and  that one is God , Allah! So I definitely think that there is just a lil' bit of difference between the two religions. Our Prophet Muhamet was sent by Allah and Jesus too, to guide people to the right way so.........
OK PEACE AND KISS Kiss
m4malik (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #45 on: February 07, 2006, 03:17 PM »

Deut. 18:18 - Jesus or Mohammed?
 
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him". [Deut. 18:18]
 
There's just a simple key to understanding who the Prophet in that verse is: nativity. If God had been addressing the Arabs in that verse, then we might have had reason to think Mohammed was inferred. However, understand that God was speaking to Moses - a non-Arab; and when He said "among their brethren", He clearly meant the Isrealites. In verse 15, the emphasis is unmistakable: God wants us to know He was addressing the Israelites, not Arabs -
 
      "The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto
       me; unto him ye shall hearken" [Deu 18:15]
 
So, who does this Prophecy point to? No doubt, it points to Jesus Christ. Jesus was not an Arab but a Jew. The Bible never said salvation would come by the Arabs; rather, salvation is of the Jews (John 4:24).
 
Second, the Prophet to come would be like unto Moses. In what ways were there similarities between Jesus and Moses? There are many things claimed in the life of Mohammed to suppose that he was like unto Moses. In my next post, I'll try to show some unmistakable imprints as to how Mohammed could not have been the Prophet spoken of in Deut. 18:15, 18.
 
M.
m4malik (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #46 on: February 07, 2006, 03:28 PM »


Deut. 18:18 - Jesus or Mohammed?

Here are a few events to show that only Jesus Christ would have fulfilled the prophecy in Duet. 18:15,18.
 
1. Threat of death at Infancy:
At infancy, both Moses' and Jesus' lives were imperiled because the rulers of their day threatened to kill all male children among the Israelites: most other Israelite male children of their day and place of birth were murdered -
 
    "And Pharaoh charged all his people, saying, Every son that is born ye shall cast into the river, and every
     daughter ye shall save alive." [Exo 1:22]
 
    "Then Herod, ... was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and
    in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired
    of the wise men." [Mat 2:16]
 
2. Childhood:
Both Moses and Jesus spent their childhood in Egypt:
 
     Of Moses: "And the child grew, and she brought him unto Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son."
     [Exo 2:10]
 
     Of Jesus: "...behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the
     young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will
     seek the young child to destroy him." [Mat 2:13]
 
3. Rejection by the Israelites:
In offering salvation, Moses and Jesus were both initially rejected by the Israelites - their own people - even threatening to stone them:
 
      Of Moses: "This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge?"
      [Act 7:35]  Moses cried out, "They be almost ready to stone me," [Exo.17:4]
 
      Of Jesus: "But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this
      man to reign over us." [Luk 19:14] "Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself,
      and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by." [John 8:59]
 
4. Choosing disciples:
Is it not remarkable that both Moses and Jesus chose and appointed the same exact number of disciples?
 
     Of Moses: "And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the LORD, and gathered the seventy
     men
of the elders of the people, and set them round about the tabernacle." [Num 11:24] "And the
     saying pleased me well: and I took twelve men of you, one of a tribe." [Deut. 1:23]
 
     Of Jesus: "And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth
     to preach" [Mar 3:14]  And again, "After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and
     sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come."
     [Luke 10:1].

5. Powerful miracles attesting their Mission:
Please note the similarities in the power and nature of their miracles -
 
     "And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds."
      [Act 7:22]  "And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go
       back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided."
      [Exo 14:21]
 
      Of Jesus: "But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea
      obey him
!" [Mat 8:27]  "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power:
      who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him."
       [Act 10:38]
 
I could mention more than a score more of the similarities between Moses and Jesus, and note well that Mohammed could not have fulfilled the Prophecy in Deut.18:18 in so far as he was an Arab and not an Israelite or Jew. Even in death, Mohammed did not die in the same way as Moses did. The point should be well carried that Mohammed was not mentioned in the Bible, not in the sense of the Prophet upon whom mankind was to look for salvation; and Moslems who try to force this interpretations into Biblical texts ought to know better.

I meant well,  Smiley

M.
Hnd-holder (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #47 on: February 07, 2006, 04:02 PM »

Read the history of the church and bible then you will know that European wrote some for themselves. So also did the Arabian country made Islam look as its . Isaac and Ishmael who was offered to be Killed by Abraham, The mother of Ismael is an Arab so also the Islamic family. All is Politics.
4get_me (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #48 on: February 07, 2006, 06:12 PM »

Quote from: Hnd-holder on February 07, 2006, 04:02 PM
Read the history of the church and bible then you will know that European wrote some for themselves. So also did the Arabian country made Islam look as its . Isaac and Ishmael who was offered to be Killed by Abraham, The mother of Ismael is an Arab so also the Islamic family. All is Politics.


Phew! And your point is...??

I fail to see the connection between your piece and Deut.18:18 - was it Jesus or Mohammed?

M.
Hnd-holder (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #49 on: February 08, 2006, 08:48 AM »

 Shocked
Softee (f)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #50 on: February 14, 2006, 01:59 AM »

The difference is christians belive that jesus was the son of God. But this dosen't mean biologically infact, no such word in the bible because we are all Gods children. But jesus was the chosen one, he performed miracles, sat with the sinners in order to change their lives and make them people of God, Jesus was a good man and was the closest thing any human will ever be to God, he had Gods spirit in him and had the exact personality as God, he was a loving and wonderful, amazing man!

The islam belief is more on allah, although they belive in mohammed they don't worship him they see him as a respectable prophet. Islam beliefs teachs love to ONLY islams (which i think is wrong). It teaches violence against non-muslims (Kufarrs). Which is why many christians belief it is of the devil (which is my view). Islams have no relationship with allah, they pray, they fast and thats as far as it goes.

Christians have a wonderful relationship with God. They have a special blessed language called 'Tongues', which is mostly spoken when the Holy Spirit touches there hearts. Christians also have a relationship with the holy spirit (Who is just a role of God). The holy spirit speaks to christians, Through situations and guides them through hard times.

2000 years ago a man said in the bible " we are in our last hour" 2000 years later, we must be in our last minute!

You have to know what you are doing these days, God loves all his human beings because he created them! God is not allah, a GOOD God will not teach violence against people. God loves you. Nobody understands christianity and the bible to the full extent, but you just have to ask the holy spirit to guide you and jesus to come into your heart and help you understand as you go through life. We christians life to look at Jesus, Holy Spirit and God as ONE BODY IN HEAVEN. There are a lot of questions that  people have against christianity like 'who made God?' ' Why did the tsunami happen'.


Nobody has the answers to these questions but we as christians have learnt to work ourselves around the answers. God is a good God, If he wasn't good, why would we send his ONLY BEGOTTEN son to die on the cross for OUR SINS!! People who hate him, who diss him, who do things against him! HE MUST REALLY LOVE US!

Now Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews etc,  Think about what i have said and open your heart, God loves you, he has big plans for your life! Don't let the devil ruin it!
Hnd-holder (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #51 on: February 14, 2006, 09:04 AM »

Softee ,

You are not speaking as a wise one at all. Why preaching your dogma here? No point at all from your write up, it only exposes your weak knowledge.
Christian are the first Cult in the whole world during the time of NERO.

So many J Witness were killed. Lot of protestants were murdered in Europe.
All religion use BLOOD! BLOOD!!, and they kill Jesus they claimed he came to die for their sin,
Hnd-holder (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #52 on: February 14, 2006, 09:34 AM »

On the issue of the son of God. Yes so many good men were called son of God in the bible.

Genesis 6:
The Flood
 1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,
2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with [a] man forever, for he is mortal [b] ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

 5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
   


How will you explain the verse above? handle other faiths with respect. Please be wise.
4get_me (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #53 on: February 14, 2006, 11:18 AM »

Misguided passions sometimes cause more problems than they do provide solutions or foster understanding between people of various cultures and worldviews. I agree with Hnd-holder that Softee ought to have made his (or her ??) contributions with decorum, especially when the faith he tries to proclaim is founded on the powerful ingredient of love. We should be wise and remember that the emphasis of our contributions is not necessarily to win arguments, but to offer the love and mutual respect we ourselves have been given to enjoy by Him in whom we put our trust - Jesus Christ. It's well to remember to "let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person." (Col. 4:6). Afterall, we don't want to give the wrong impressions to people who are seeking a better understanding of the Christ we proclaim.

Peace to y'all.  Cheesy
4gt_m.
4get_me (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #54 on: February 14, 2006, 12:33 PM »

Quote from: Hnd-holder on February 14, 2006, 09:04 AM
Christian are the first Cult in the whole world during the time of NERO,
So many J Witness were killed. Lot of protestants were murdered in Europe.
 All religion use BLOOD! BLOOD!!, and they kill Jesus they claimed he came to die for their sin,
So then, what do we do? If all religion use "BLOOD, BLOOD," whose blood do you use?

Hnd-holder, you've got it all mixed up. Christians do not make a bogus claim as if the crucifixion was an accident that they try to explain away. There are a few things you should note about the death of Christ. First, the death of Christ was a prophecy made several hundred years before Jesus walked the earth. Two powerful scriptures that bear this out are:
  (1) (Psa 22:16,18) " - the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture." (please compare this with Matt.27:35 and Mark 15:24 to see the fulfillment of this prophecy).
  (2) (Isa 53:10-13) "Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, ,,,the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand,,, He shall see of the travail of his soul,,,for he shall bear their iniquities ,,,because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." (please see Mark 15:20,25 for the fulfillment of this prophecy of Jesus death and the purpose for which He died.)

Second the death of Jesus Christ was extraordinary. It is not known in history that a man is singled out to be put to death for his extraordinary righteous life and the claims he makes about himself. True, many innocent people have been murdered in capricious and heinous ways like the holocaust that the incumbent President of Iran recently called a myth. But isn't it amazing that Jesus Christ was singled out by the maddening crowd to be put to death for no convicted crimes, and for His extraordinary claims? It was at the confession that He was the very Son of God that Jesus was condemned to death. Again, let me point this out in the Bible:
   (1) His extraordinary righteous life - (John 10:32) "Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?" And, (Mark 15:14) "Then Pilate said unto them, Why, what evil hath he done? And they cried out the more exceedingly, Crucify him."
   (2) Condemned for His claim - (Mark 14:61- 64) ",,,Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death."

You see, when you talk about the death of Jesus Christ but fail to see its significance in history and divine revelation, you'll make the mistake of misconstruing it only in terms of bloody political filibusters. Whatever your galls or resentments at crimes perpetrated under the name of Christianity, I urge you to patiently get a good grasp of the message of the Bible before you misinterpret its essence. It often happens that most people who try to slur Christianity have never even read the Bible with an open and fair inquiry. I trust you're not one of such. Please read the Bible to discover the love of God in Jesus Christ - it's available by faith in His name if only you're willing to lay hold of it.

4gt_m.  Cheesy
Hnd-holder (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #55 on: February 14, 2006, 02:49 PM »

You speak as if you alone knew what happen to JESUS. We all read.

Read this from Koran then you know that Jesus is for everybody.

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

[1.1] All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
[1.2] The Beneficent, the Merciful.
[1.3] Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1.4] Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help.
[1.5] Keep us on the right path.
[1.6] The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.


3.45] When the angels said: O Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the '. Messiah, Isa son of Marium, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah

4.157] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, JESUS son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared  to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
4.171] O followers of the Book! (Meaning Bible)do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa (JESUS)son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son,

whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.

[5.17] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely, Allah-- He is the Messiah, son of Marium. Say: Who then could control anything as against Allah when He wished to destroy the Messiah son of Marium and his mother and all those on the earth? And Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them; He creates what He pleases; and Allah has power over all things,[/b][/color]


How are we sure you are not reading an arranged english story. How can you  Kill the son of God for his BLOOD!  think
chrisd (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #56 on: February 14, 2006, 02:57 PM »

There are lot of similarities, unless you're protestant and have mixed and corrupted everthing up.  Cheesy
Softee (f)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #57 on: February 14, 2006, 04:40 PM »

What is exactly your point?

I was refurring to the subject and i feel i answered it well as a christian. So there is no need for the rudeness.
Softee (f)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #58 on: February 14, 2006, 04:45 PM »

And i must say, with all your scripture verse back up. It dosent mean anything, if you read the bible as just a book it will be only one thing, A BOOK!, but if you open your heart, ask the holy spirit to guide you, pray, the bible will bring great meaning unto your life.

chrisd (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #59 on: February 14, 2006, 04:50 PM »

I'm a semitic person
Hnd-holder (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #60 on: February 14, 2006, 04:52 PM »

You are right, so many have eyes but can not see. How will philosophical interpretation of the bible not mean a lot to them. Please be careful of the version you use because they give diffrent meaning.
ono (m)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #61 on: February 14, 2006, 05:02 PM »

@Chrisd, are you a Jew?
Softee (f)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #62 on: February 14, 2006, 05:06 PM »

ALL bibles give the same meaning
Softee (f)
Re: Islamic And Christian Religion What Is The Difference
« #63 on: February 14, 2006, 05:16 PM »

4get_me,

You have got my statement totally wrong!

You think i wrote that essay to "win an argument" or to save you and other open-hearted good people from hell. I do respect other peoples religion and have many islam friends, but im sorry, im not going to stop preaching the truth because they get offended. The feelings will be much more intense when they get rejected from the gates of heaven because they denied jesus.

MY POINT WAS to spread the goodness of God not to " WIN AN ARGUMENT"
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