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layi (m)
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I am a christian but would put the scriptures aside since we all aint a party to that line of reasoning.
Definition: A clone (from Greek klon) is an individual—plant, animal or human being—derived by asexual reproduction from another organism that has the identical hereditary components.
In as much as I support the Idea of cloning animals, I don't support the Idea of a Clone. Of copurse I know we already have cloned humans. Twins are natural clones. Individuals could derive from the same cell (identical twins), The fertilized egg splits in two, and each of these two ‘daughter’ cells develops separately. They are individual people with an absolutely identical set of genes. Because of this they have the same innate gifts and talents, as well as the same predisposition to particular illnesses. But they Both have their own personality, and their own soul
My Take against cloning stems from what Dr Alan Colman, of people Therapeutics in Edinburgh: a research director recently said
‘My own view is that the research [on human cloning] is immoral at the present time and should always be immoral. To make the technique more efficient would require a great deal of experimentation. And to get this more refined would be at the expense of having deformed babies, etc. To get it into a situation where you could clone humans efficiently would have such a history of misery associated with it.’
This is a cpogent for rejecting the artificial cloning of humans. Each fertilized egg, including those from cloning, is a new human individual. Yet perfecting the cloning technique requires many experiments. Many individuals would be enabled to commence life, only to be deliberately destroyed.
Thus, while it may be right under certain circumstances to clone animals to benefit people, I think it is absolutely wrong to try to clone humans.
Whats ur take?
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luvu567 (f)
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I don't think its right because there are many things that could go wrong with it
and i think its just not needed
Anything could go wrong with it and then itll be another disease or dangerous bacteria that can be created
Its just wrong because God didnt make it himself
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dejiolowe (m)
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am in support of cloning. i guess people are scared for God. Science can't dethrone God.
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nferyn (m)
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I completely disagree with the statement that a fertilised egg is a human being. A human being is an independent lifeform of the species homo sapiens sapiens that has obtained personhood. Personhood kicks in when sentience begins, but that's another discussion.
I am not against using cloning techniques for therapeutical reasons and for reseach (e.g. to obtain stem cells), but these 'clones' should never, ever be allowed to grow into babies for the reasons already mentioned. The risk for those embryo's to be deformed or have one or another defect is just too big, especially if you consider the fact that there is no benefit in letting those clones grow to human beings. The only purpose it can serve is to boost the ego of the person from whom the genetic material was taken, and that is not a valid reason at all.
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dejiolowe (m)
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risks risks risks. thatz all u guys talk about. can you achieve something without risks? if we can clone better human (better as in strong against bacterials and vira) then why not. why r u guys scared?
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nferyn (m)
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risks risks risks. thatz all u guys talk about. can you achieve something without risks? if we can clone better human (better as in strong against bacterials and vira) then why not. why r u guys scared?
How on earth would you clone a better person? A clone is, by definition, genetically identical to the original person. |
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luvu567 (f)
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yeah if they make a clone of u and ur clone goes out and commit a crime u could be arrested instead of ur clone and be punished for something u didn t do....................all because u have a clone that has the same DNA as u......................a clone is basically u
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nferyn (m)
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yeah if they make a clone of u and your clone goes out and commit a crime u could be arrested instead of your clone and be punished for something u didn t do....................all because u have a clone that has the same DNA as u......................a clone is basically u
No, not really. You are far more than your DNA. From the moment of conception, your environment plays a role that is equally as important as your DNA in what you will become |
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dejiolowe (m)
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@luvu567 your clone is not you. your clone came from your single DNA structure while you came from your mum's and dad's. in fact, your clone could be so different from you because there are zillion other things that make u what u r apart from genes. he could be a lot taller, smarter, etc. he could be a genius while u r dumb. he could be extroverted while u r not.
and if ur clone commits murder, he will be shot while u go and create another clone. and mind you, a clone is born so the age disparity will be much. they don't come out your size when they r cloned. in fact, they will be like your baby....
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luridguy (m)
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Physicians from the American Medical Association and scientists with the American Association for the Advancement of Science have issued formal public statements advising against human reproductive cloning. Currently, the US. Congress is considering the passage of legislation that could ban human cloning. many scientists and physicians strongly believe that it would be unethical to attempt to clone humans. Not only do most attempts to clone mammals fail, about 30% of clones born alive are affected with "large offspring syndrome" and other debilitating conditions. Several cloned animals have died prematurely from infections and other complications. The same problems would be expected in human cloning. In addition, scientists do not know how cloning could impact mental development. While factors such as intellect and mood may not be as important for a cow or a mouse, they are crucial for the development of healthy humans. With so many unknowns concerning reproductive cloning, the attempt to clone humans at this time is considered potentially dangerous and ethically irresponsible.  |
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nferyn (m)
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@ luridguy
I fully agree with banning reproductive cloning. Therapeutic cloning should not be banned, though
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roca (f)
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hey i had a debate on that 2 weeks ago i wish had seen this site .
yall that say d result of cloning has always been a deformed baby i tell u that is not a reason 2 show that cloning is bad just that the technology they use is poor more research needs 2 be done 4 better result .
again dey argure that cloning is like playin GOd or dethronein him that is pure bull shit . go look it up when scientist got a break through with heart transplant dsame thing was been said now people believe is a way 2 save lyfe i say give it time and clonin will up and runnin
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layi (m)
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It would surprise u that God cannot be said to be outrightly against cloning.
Of course GOD instituted marriage but he did not mandate reproduction to be sexual. Rather his words were "Go Ye and multiply".
Cloning is merely an asexual means of reproduction. Twins are clones albeit sexual.
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cushman (m)
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I'm always guided by my religion. Cloning whether human or animal is entirely wrong
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roca (f)
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i think this world is about survival of the fitest so clonin is way for us to keep human alive and in good condition. besides why will God give us all this brain if is not to figure such things out
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cushman (m)
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@roca, are you saying we should forget about God and just carry-on with whatever we like?
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layi (m)
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@cushman
What does GOD have to say about cloning in general and human cloning in particular?
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cushman (m)
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God is the only creator of men and the entire universe. Cloning in general (to me) it's like competing with the Almighty. - God forbid!
Mark my words; very soon people will start thinking they are gods
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roca (f)
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cushman i didn't say we should forget about God hez always dere but i think he gave d scientist the brain 2 do this
how do yall know what God is thinkin nigerian as so sreligious sometymes they just go 2 far
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dejiolowe (m)
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God is the only creator of men and the entire universe. Cloning in general (to me) it's like competing with the Almighty. - God forbid!
Mark my words; very soon people will start thinking they are gods
competing with Almighty? what about creating rains, sending satellite. Cushman, u can't compete with God. You can only operate (and clone) within the space He's given you. |
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layi (m)
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Deji took the words out of my mouth fingers. U can't compete wit GOD. Moreover Ps 82: 6 says we are gods. He gave us the ability. We are only acting out what he gave us. I'm not in support of cloning basically because we've not perfected the art yet. If we do now, frequent holocaust is inevitable. Clone or zygote, human spirit would still enter it and make it her/him  |
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luridguy (m)
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lets look at this if cloning does become a success lets look at the emotional risks a child grows up knowing her mother is her sister, her grandmother is her mother. Her father is her brother-in-law. Every time her mother looks at her she is seeing herself growing up. Unbearable emotional pressures on a teenager trying to establish his or her identity. What happens to a marriage when the "father" sees his wife's clone grow up into the exact replica (by appearance) of the beautiful 18 year old he fell in love with 35 years ago? A sexual relationship would of course be with his wife's twin, no incest involved technically. or
what would Hitler have done with cloning technology if available in the 1940s? There are powerful leaders in every generation who will seek to abuse this technology for their own purposes. Going ahead with cloning technology makes this far more likely. You cannot have so-called therapeutic cloning without reproductive cloning because the technique to make cloned babies is the same as to make a cloned embryo to try to make replacement tissues. And at the speed at which biotech is accelerating there will soon be other ways to get such cells
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nferyn (m)
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[SNIP]
You cannot have so-called therapeutic cloning without reproductive cloning because the technique to make cloned babies is the same as to make a cloned embryo to try to make replacement tissues. And at the speed at which biotech is accelerating there will soon be other ways to get such cells
Not true, you can limit it's use to therapeutical needs. |
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dejiolowe (m)
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@luridguy you are just plain emotional. a clone is not you! when someone gets a new heart from transplant do u think he's the dead person that got donated the heart?
a clone is not your sister or brother or you. it is a f**king clone. EOD.
cloning has been more successful than flying planes. do u know how long it took before man could fly? like 500 years right from the time of da vinci.
i support cloning 100% and i can do it if i was a doctor or something like that. and cloning is not evolution. i support full human cloning and part cloning. i dream of days when someone could be sick and u just order for a new heart, skin, nose, leg, d**k, etc we would save lives. and if clones could be born from test tubes, good. at least, women wont go through the pains of childbirth anymore.
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dblock (m)
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It's wrong. Did you know a hair of hitler was kept in some lab what if some evil idiot clones that. Think about it Hitler in the 21st century
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dejiolowe (m)
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even if another hitler is cloned, he might be a pastor. your genes don't make u evil. u become evil from the ecounterers in this world...
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dblock (m)
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So ur saying if I was cloned I might not be cool anymore. Ha Ha
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layi (m)
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Definitely. Our Character is to a large extent formed by our environment. A clone of a yoruba man in china will not be able to speak yoruba (automatically)
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cushman (m)
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@ Layi, why are you in full support of this cloning?
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Typewriter (m)
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that's exactly what i want, if snazzy won't marry me
then i need her clones
somebody stop me!
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layi (m)
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@ Layi, why are you in full support of this cloning?
Read the first post on this thread. I'm not in support of clonning. this however doesnt mean i should allow unfounded arguments just pass by unchecked. Clonning is not another you. Its just a semblance. |
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dejiolowe (m)
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so where r we now? let's clone someone...
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