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RoughCut (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1024 on: September 23, 2007, 03:49 PM »

Quote from: V.C.2007 on September 23, 2007, 05:36 AM
For crying out loud when are we expecting a RALLY?
Somebody please tell me before I lose my mind


As you would have learnt on this forum investing in the capital market requires patience and judgement and if you cant ride the crest and the turbulence that is inherent in investing in stocks then you probably need to start thinking of investing in something else apart from the stock market
mee25 (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1025 on: September 23, 2007, 06:14 PM »

TO ALL THE HOUSE

Which of the PO is going to be the sweetest  Tongue, is it FIDFELITY, AFRI BANK or STERLING BANK Huh Huh Huh
V.C.2007 (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1026 on: September 23, 2007, 09:37 PM »

RoughCut i know what you are talking about,
I just wanted to know when we think we might likely have a rally, thats all
shigidi (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1027 on: September 25, 2007, 12:47 PM »

Quote from: mee25 on September 23, 2007, 06:14 PM
TO ALL THE HOUSE

Which of the PO is going to be the sweetest Tongue, is it FIDFELITY, AFRI BANK or STERLING BANK Huh Huh Huh
wait till we see the prospectus then well know how far, personally, i think it will be between fidelity or afri.
where is vry 1 on this thread. Huh Huh Undecided
whitelexi (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1028 on: September 25, 2007, 01:13 PM »

Still waiting to hear about the IBTC PO Grin
shigidi (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1029 on: September 25, 2007, 01:18 PM »

@ whitelexi, r u for real that ibtc is doing a PO. pls holla cos thats one id love to invest in
whitelexi (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1030 on: September 25, 2007, 01:58 PM »

Quote from: shigidi on September 25, 2007, 01:18 PM
@ whitelexi, r u for real that ibtc is doing a PO. please holla because thats one id love to invest in

Well, except my trusted broker has suddenly gone bunkers, i think i heard correctly. IBTC will be coming out soon with a PO.
ifsez
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1031 on: September 25, 2007, 04:12 PM »

Hi Ayala,please is NAHCO still in the market i saw an ad placed in this day news paper last week i've forgotten when it will close but I don't know how to get their shares offer.Pls reply
RoughCut (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1032 on: September 26, 2007, 04:43 PM »

Quote from: ifsez on September 25, 2007, 04:12 PM
Hi Ayala,please is NAHCO still in the market i saw an ad placed in this day news paper last week i've forgotten when it will close but I don't know how to get their shares offer.Please reply
You can download the app form/prospectus from either   http://www.cashcraft.com/ or    http://www.zenithsecuritiesng.com/downloads.php
The closing date is on the 28th September
Panadol (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1033 on: September 26, 2007, 05:45 PM »

All,

What's your take on these 4 banks.

1.  Diamond
2.  FCMB
3.  Skye
4.  Wema
adeyinkat
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1034 on: September 28, 2007, 09:35 AM »

@ all Gurus,

Could you all pls help revive this thread. This & "Stock Market Tips" are wot makes this business forum tick the most! So let's get the thread tickin again!
slim49z (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1035 on: September 28, 2007, 11:09 AM »

Hello Fellow Naijas,

I have been a big player in the stock market both online and offline. I have made alot of money too with stocks.

Personally I think one doesn't have to sit on stocks for years like our fore-fathers did in other to make money with them. One can buy a good share on the floor of the Stock exchange today and have it sold the next 2 months when it appreciates Grin

There is one catch though, you have got to know b/w good and bad stocks.

Also one shouldn't undermine the value of penny stocks. Good luck to us all Cheesy

Slim.
Temmie10 (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1036 on: September 28, 2007, 03:26 PM »

Quote from: Panadol on September 26, 2007, 05:45 PM
All,

What's your take on these 4 banks.

1. Diamond
2. FCMB
3. Skye
4. Wema
I like all four, at least in the next 6-9 months and bearing any unforseen situations.
RoughCut (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1037 on: September 28, 2007, 03:31 PM »

Quote from: slim49z on September 28, 2007, 11:09 AM
Hello Fellow Naijas,

I have been a big player in the stock market both online and offline. I have made alot of money too with stocks.

Personally I think one doesn't have to sit on stocks for years like our fore-fathers did in other to make money with them. One can buy a good share on the floor of the Stock exchange today and have it sold the next 2 months when it appreciates Grin

There is one catch though, you have got to know b/w good and bad stocks.

Also one shouldn't undermine the value of penny stocks. Good luck to us all Cheesy

Slim.
Quote from: Temmie10 on September 28, 2007, 03:26 PM
I like all four, at least in the next 6-9 months and bearing any unforseen situations.
FCMB
WEMA
are in my to-do list and i have added Costain (WA) and japaul oil
Atam-Man (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1038 on: September 28, 2007, 03:39 PM »

@All
What is going on with Guinness? It is falling even in the face of a reasonable dividend declared last week. Any answers anybody?
easimoni (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1039 on: September 28, 2007, 04:52 PM »

Quote from: Atam-Man on September 28, 2007, 03:39 PM
@All
What is going on with Guinness? It is falling even in the face of a reasonable dividend declared last week. Any answers anybody?

Probably the love of bonus issues! It may also be due to the general bearish atmosphere at the moment .  Guinness is ridiculoulsy solid but unspectacular. IF you own any, don't sell.
enurayce
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1040 on: September 28, 2007, 05:13 PM »

oga easimoni
longest time,how have u been?Whats your take on japaul if uve seen the prospectus and whats your recent views on the insurance sector.anything u will like to share
shigidi (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1041 on: September 28, 2007, 07:06 PM »

Quote from: Panadol on September 26, 2007, 05:45 PM
All,

What's your take on these 4 banks.

1. Diamond
2. FCMB
3. Skye
4. Wema
all are solid.
skye and diamond asre your safest bets but wema is your trump card. you will make more out of wema than any other one on that list.
RoughCut (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1042 on: October 02, 2007, 08:48 AM »

For those who have been agitating for the Japaul Oil stats here are some numbers for you to digest

Trailing P/E for YEnd  Dec 2006=40
Trailing EPS for YEnd  Dec 2006=14.9k

Based on N173.6M PAT for YEnd Dec 2006 and

Outstanding shares of 1.17B as @ Dec 2006

Forward P/E for YEnd Dec 2007=10.36
Forward EPS for YEnd Dec 2007=38.11k

Based on N444M PAT and
Outstanding  shares of 2.4B as @ Dec 2007

Forward P/E for YEnd Dec 2008 =13.5
Forward EPS for YEnd  Dec 2008=29.25k

Based on PAT of N720M and

Outstanding shares 2.4B

PAT is projected to grow about 60% which i think they are more than capable of doing.  PAT has been growing at more more 60% since 2003. So projecting forward for Year 2008 i have calculated  that the stock should be trading at a solid N10-12  and if you are buying into the PO at a price <N4 you are definitely making very good returns.

BUY BUY BUY

shigidi (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1043 on: October 02, 2007, 12:03 PM »

@ roughcut,
how did u get 10-12 naira by december 2008??? its eps will be 0.3, that means it should be 9 naira at a pe of 30 Shocked
thats been a bit on the optimistic side dont u think??? its a good growth stock and more of a long term buy. but 10 naira i think is high.
easimoni (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1044 on: October 02, 2007, 12:17 PM »

Roughtcut,
regarding the YE 2007 numbers (PAT = N444 and shares = 2.4B), the EPS is 19k and forward PE at offer price is ~20. The YE 2007 numbers you quote don't include the offer shares (prob a fair assumption since the certs won't be out). Anyway, my point is the numbers won't start to look good until well into 2008. Not an offer for short-timers.
RoughCut (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1045 on: October 02, 2007, 12:55 PM »

Quote from: shigidi on October 02, 2007, 12:03 PM
@ roughcut,
how did u get 10-12 naira by december 2008??? its eps will be 0.3, that means it should be 9 naira at a pe of 30 Shocked
thats been a bit on the optimistic side don't u think??? its a good growth stock and more of a long term buy. but 10 naira i think is high.

Very very easy

Firstly the PE Ratio by YEnd 2008 will be 13.5 and not 30 as you stated

They have also projected that PAT for YEnd 2008 would have grown by 60% from N444M to N720M

If we agree that  PE = P/EPS and EPS= PAT/Outstanding #Shares

So i'm sure its a reasonable proposition to make that if PAT increases by  60% the EPS will also increase by 60% right?

From our model  P=EPS x PE Ratio

Therefore the share price will increase in the same proportion as EPS from the relationship above

QED
Any questions holla
RoughCut (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1046 on: October 02, 2007, 01:03 PM »

Quote from: easimoni on October 02, 2007, 12:17 PM
Roughtcut,
regarding the YE 2007 numbers (PAT = N444 and shares = 2.4B), the EPS is 19k and forward PE at offer price is ~20. The YE 2007 numbers you quote don't include the offer shares (prob a fair assumption since the certs won't be out). Anyway, my point is the numbers won't start to look good until well into 2008. Not an offer for short-timers.
easimoni you have calculated your forward PE for YEnd 2007 using 1.17B shares listed as at DEC 2006 and that gîves you a PE of  19 if you take into consideration the number of shares that will listed after this offer 2.4B that gives you a forward  PE Ratio of 10.36 for YEnd 2007
Temmie10 (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1047 on: October 02, 2007, 01:24 PM »

The tricky thing about japaul is that eps increases (07), decreases (08) and then increases again (09).
10 naira plus after 2009 fye is very possible according to the forecasts, its possible in 2008 too but that would be largely optimistic
shigidi (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1048 on: October 02, 2007, 05:25 PM »

temmie10, they failed to factor in the shares in the p.o for 2007, they are already telling you these shares aint gonna be listed till 2008. 10 naira by year end 2009 is more like it
MyPeace (f)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1049 on: October 02, 2007, 05:30 PM »

Shigidi,

pls whats the implication of listing the shares in 2009? am about buying the p.o.  pls explain the implication to me.
thx.
shigidi (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1050 on: October 02, 2007, 06:54 PM »

my peace, it doesnt mean anything serious, it just means your not gonna get your certificate till early next year and u knew that already Tongue
RoughCut (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1051 on: October 03, 2007, 06:36 AM »

The projections i made for YEnd  factored in the shares to be listed as result of the PO so you are very free to draw your own conclusions. Going forward as Shigidi said you will not get your cert until next year but if the new SEC regulations kick in before year end you might just be lucky. The new regulation says share certificates must be sent out 6 weeks after share allotment so depends on how long it takes for the allotment and hopefully by year end  2008 all holdings will be dematerialized(no more paper certificates) so you are better off getting a stock-broker who knows what they are doing so your holdings can be registered with CSCS if you don't have one
MyPeace (f)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1052 on: October 03, 2007, 08:33 AM »

Thank you very much.
walcolm (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1053 on: October 03, 2007, 09:02 AM »

Quote from: MyPeace on October 02, 2007, 05:30 PM
Shigidi,

please whats the implication of listing the shares in 2009? am about buying the p.o. please explain the implication to me.
thx.

are you talking about JaPaul offer?
walcolm (m)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1054 on: October 03, 2007, 09:11 AM »

@ temmie & Shigidi,

Japaul has factored in this new shares being offered in their calculations of the forward EPS going from 2008 to 2009.

it is not unusual for the EPS to reduce (2008) after a new offer because u are dividing your old earnings projections by a larger number of shares whilst the actual returns expected from the new capital has not started showing significantly

@MyPeace
the new offer will be listed as soon as the allotment is done and final approval is received from the appropriate body, that can happen from late 2007, early 2008 to worst case; late 2008 (highly unlikely)
MyPeace (f)
Re: Stocks That Can Make You Rich In 2007
« #1055 on: October 03, 2007, 10:09 AM »

@ Walcom

Do you see it as a good buy as Roughcut sees it?
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