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easimoni (m)
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Man Jiro,Rough cut, shigidi, easimoni, aylala & all I hail oooooooo. What is happening to insurance stocks,is it advisable to buy now that they are falling?Is that sector stable yet?How d'you guys c UBA,there results look impressive,the thing just dey disco me,so I be wan put some pepper for like 4 months,but I no know how the levels go be
It is advisable to buy insurance companies now because they are down ~30-50% from the highs in June. They may drop further, they may not but it's a good time to buy. UBA is very impressive and should deliver N23B in profits. But with shares now totalling 11.5B following the PO, N2 EPS is too small for a stock selling at N53. I'd pass on UBA for now. DO NOT invest for 4 months. Stocks are designed to deliver superior returns in the LONG-TERM and not 4 months. Think of it as a long-term savings account and not a trading opportunity.
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RoughCut (m)
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It is advisable to buy insurance companies now because they are down ~30-50% from the highs in June. They may drop further, they may not but it's a good time to buy.
UBA is very impressive and should deliver N23B in profits. But with shares now totalling 11.5B following the PO, N2 EPS is too small for a stock selling at N53. I'd pass on UBA for now.
DO NOT invest for 4 months. Stocks are designed to deliver superior returns in the LONG-TERM and not 4 months. Think of it as a long-term savings account and not a trading opportunity.
UBA has never been my cup of tea and i'm not about to change that habit now!
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Mr. Risky
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UBA has never been my cup of tea and i'm not about to change that habit now!
Roughcut, How you dey? Please, this seems a little diversion. I see that you have this strong faith in C & I Leasing and so do I. What more can you say about their potentials? Can you see it as a N12 or more Naira stock in the next 1 to 2 years. Their profitability is in multiples these days. I would particularly like to read you on this stock. Regards.
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RoughCut (m)
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Roughcut, How you dey? Please, this seems a little diversion. I see that you have this strong faith in C & I Leasing and so do I. What more can you say about their potentials? Can you see it as a N12 or more Naira stock in the next 1 to 2 years. Their profitability is in multiples these days. I would particularly like to read you on this stock. Regards.
Refer back to this thread -----------> http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-52566.64.html#msg1555116For the stats i arrived at a forward(annualized based on half-year results) PE of 22 and EPS of 22 for a stock trading at N5.15 that looks undervalued to me. For the half year YEnd Jan 2008 the PAT is N176M compared to N99M for the whole of 2006 if you annualize this figure they have grown PAT by a massive 255%! I should think the share price should be in the region 10-12 in less than a year's time we are talking of an undervalued stock here so hopefully my projections are conservative and if that is the case i leave you to work out the answer
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RoughCut (m)
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Roughcut, How you dey? Please, this seems a little diversion. I see that you have this strong faith in C & I Leasing and so do I. What more can you say about their potentials? Can you see it as a N12 or more Naira stock in the next 1 to 2 years. Their profitability is in multiples these days. I would particularly like to read you on this stock. Regards.
CI Leasing PAT for YEnd Jan 31 2007 is actually N134M and PAT for YEnd Jan 31 2006=N99M N176M for second quarter YEnd Jan 31 2008 if you annualize these figures assuming the trend is maintained(see no reason why not!) PAT would have grown by 162% Expecting great things for full YEnd Jan 31 2008
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Geees
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CI Leasing PAT for YEnd Jan 31 2007 is actually N134M and PAT for YEnd Jan 31 2006=N99M
N176M for second quarter YEnd Jan 31 2008 if you annualize these figures assuming the trend is maintained(see no reason why not!) PAT would have grown by 162%
Expecting great things for full YEnd Jan 31 2008
Please can you provide a link to where you get this info from. I dont see this info on their web site. Cheers
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manc (m)
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All of you gurus are doing great job on this forum. It is helping a lot of us who are new to stock investing. Please I need an advice on Ecobank, I bought some units at N9.96k and since then it has been falling. I am contemplating on selling off to minimize my loss. Please advice, should I still hold on?
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bibiking1
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i suggest you hold on till the merger with sterling bank is completed and ecobank is fast and rapidly expanding
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rasputinn (m)
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Easimoni,roughcut hw y'all doing.Guys I had a blessed week.Though I was so sad to learn of the deaths of Yemi Tella and Lucky Dube.May their souls rest in peace
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rasputinn (m)
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If I buy C & I now,will I benefit frm their expected Jan 2008 reward for shareholders or is it too late now
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rasputinn (m)
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Man Jiro,Rough cut, easimoni I heard some foreign investors are about to inject funds into African Paints,and they are having a management make over.Took time to monitor the stock for like three weeks now and it apprcted by 4.9%. Is it true that the investors are coming in and what is the quantum of funds xpected 2 b injected
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rasputinn (m)
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I had wanted 2 buy Fidelity shares but my stockbroker said he preferred FCMB that they had better fundamentals.As a result I'm thinking of spliting the funds 50-50 btw FCMB and Fidelity cos I think Fidelity is good too.What say you nairalanders?   ?
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Geees
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I had wanted 2 buy Fidelity shares but my stockbroker said he preferred FCMB that they had better fundamentals.As a result I'm thinking of spliting the funds 50-50 between FCMB and Fidelity because I think Fidelity is good too.What say you nairalanders?   ? Hello, Say when do you want to see returns on your investment? I think FCMB has better fundamentals meaning you are not likely going to lhave a better ROI. These are my thoughts at least i hear more FCMB bank related businesses than Fidelity. Cheers
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RoughCut (m)
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27M shares of WEMA were traded yesterday opening at N8.90 and closing on N9.34 net bid. The soap opera continues!
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wanaj0
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27M shares of WEMA were traded yesterday opening at N8.90 and closing on N9.34 net bid. The soap opera continues!
No go get heart attack with this your Wema OOO. Too me, it is quite a risky venture. Tending to shift towards Diamond Bank now. It appears Actis will be injecting the funds now. That should affect their bottomline. Time to cash out on IBTC. Grossly over valued stocks. Enough returns if you are not greedy. WAPCO and Flour Mills looking good. May start with WAPCo and shift to Flour Mills in February next year. Rumours of Zenith acquiring Equitorial Trust Bank. Not sure how true this is.
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RoughCut (m)
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No go get heart attack with this your Wema OOO. Too me, it is quite a risky venture.
Tending to shift towards Diamond Bank now. It appears Actis will be injecting the funds now. That should affect their bottomline.
Time to cash out on IBTC. Grossly over valued stocks. Enough returns if you are not greedy.
WAPCO and Flour Mills looking good. May start with WAPCo and shift to Flour Mills in February next year.
Rumours of Zenith acquiring Equitorial Trust Bank. Not sure how true this is.
Yaa i go try hold liver for WEMA Does that mean more share dilution for Zenith? I have already missed once on cashing out on Zenith when it was N68 so i will be watching Zenith like a hawk now What's your take on Costain? A technical analyst i was reading sometime ago reckons the resistance level for Costain is N13 and according to him that's a good entry price with the aim of exiting when it gets to N23 sounds reasonable to me but not sure about the price going back down to N13
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wanaj0
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Yaa i go try hold liver for WEMA
Does that mean more share dilution for Zenith? I have already missed once on cashing out on Zenith when it was N68 so i will be watching Zenith like a hawk now
What's your take on Costain? A technical analyst i was reading sometime ago reckons the resistance level for Costain is N13 and according to him that's a good entry price with the aim of exiting when it gets to N23 sounds reasonable to me but not sure about the price going back down to N13
The Zenith bank story is still a rumour so take it with a pinch of salt! As per WEMA, hopefully by December the waiting will be over. On Costain, I am not that convinced about them. Cappa and D'Alberto looks better to me then. Not sure of now. It is a sector that is very volatile!!!!
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bLacK GoLd (m)
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I had wanted 2 buy Fidelity shares but my stockbroker said he preferred FCMB that they had better fundamentals.As a result I'm thinking of spliting the funds 50-50 between FCMB and Fidelity because I think Fidelity is good too.What say you nairalanders?   ? I'm sorry to say but most stockbrokers are ppl that passed the stages of exams set as a measure for qualification(they most at times dont know the rules of investing) but in honest truth the people that make more money in the market are those with good instincts which at times may involve some risk taking(u may ask Warren Buffet  ) We all would agree that the banking sector is the most active sector for now in every sense of the word ( employment, profits,stockmarket please name on!)Now fidelity's IPO is currently selling at N8 while FCMB's IPO is selling at N14, in as much as i carefully analyse the prospectus and also use tools available at SBAresearch, lets look at the probability of doubling for a short-time investor(pardon me long timers  ) At N8, Fidelity bank is one of the few banks below the N10naira mark and while racing to catch up would easily double in price while FCMB at N14 is above the mark and would find it hard racing up to its 'elder brothers' such as Oceanic and Intercontinental which may take a longer time for FCMB to achieve a doubled price. MY TAKEIts always best to enter low. 
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bLacK GoLd (m)
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I had wanted 2 buy Fidelity shares but my stockbroker said he preferred FCMB that they had better fundamentals.As a result I'm thinking of spliting the funds 50-50 between FCMB and Fidelity because I think Fidelity is good too.What say you nairalanders?   ? I'm sorry to say but most stockbrokers are ppl that passed the stages of exams set as a measure for qualification(they most at times dont know the rules of investing) but in honest truth the people that make more money in the market are those with good instincts which at times may involve some risk taking(u may ask Warren Buffet  ) We all would agree that the banking sector is the most active sector for now in every sense of the word ( employment, profits,stockmarket please name on!)Now fidelity's IPO is currently selling at N8 while FCMB's IPO is selling at N14, in as much as i carefully analyse the prospectus and also use tools available at SBAresearch, lets look at the probability of doubling for a short-time investor(pardon me long timers  ) At N8, Fidelity bank is one of the few banks below the N10naira mark and while racing to catch up would easily double in price while FCMB at N14 is above the mark and would find it hard racing up to its 'elder brothers' such as Oceanic and Intercontinental which may take a longer time for FCMB to achieve a doubled price. MY TAKEIts always best to enter low. 
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RoughCut (m)
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The Zenith bank story is still a rumour so take it with a pinch of salt!
As per WEMA, hopefully by December the waiting will be over.
On Costain, I am not that convinced about them. Cappa and D'Alberto looks better to me then. Not sure of now. It is a sector that is very volatile!!!!
All the sectors worth looking at are volatile! and should i add the higher the volatitly the higher the risk and potential to realise fantastic returns and also the potential to incur catastrophic losses. The financials that invested in the so-called mortgage backed securities will know more about what i'm saying. Case in point Northern Rock So there are really no safe bets when it comes down to it!
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wanaj0
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All the sectors worth looking at are volatile! and should i add the higher the volatitly the higher the risk and potential to realise fantastic returns and also the potential to incur catastrophic losses. The financials that invested in the so-called mortgage backed securities will know more about what i'm saying. Case in point Northern Rock
So there are really no safe bets when it comes down to it!
Nigerian environment is different. Different in the sense that the risk matrix differs. You need to know the risk drivers so that you can hedge your risk when you invest. You need to know the business model of Costain and how it fits into the economy at large. Are they set to profit from the economic climate? That information is not totally available in the public domain. No problem in taking risks. But take risks that you UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!! Take calculated risk.
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abriya (m)
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Hi Nairalanders, How do we see this?
Afribank’s N100bn public offer gets SEC approval The Securities and Exchange Commission has approved the bid of Afribank Nigeria Plc to raise N100bn from the capital market. Afribank plans to raise the funds by offering four billion ordinary shares of 50kobo each at N25 per share. The Nigerian Stock Exchange had already given its approval for the listing of the shares after offer.
Personally I think this offer is in itself overpriced but I also want to get informed positions before I decide not to near there. Before now of all the banks coming out I have decided on FCMB, Bank PHB and Diamond bank but I do not want to look back I see I missed out.
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shigidi (m)
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No go get heart attack with this your Wema OOO. Too me, it is quite a risky venture.
Tending to shift towards Diamond Bank now. It appears Actis will be injecting the funds now. That should affect their bottomline.
WAPCO and Flour Mills looking good. May start with WAPCo and shift to Flour Mills in February next year.
@ wanajo, well put! problem is diamond is about hitting 19 naira and that may be an expensive entry price. i also want to hit WAPCO first then moveto flour mills but my concern is by january, flour mills may begin a slight bull run. there is a rumor going round of possible bonus by WAPCO.
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st1 (m)
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All the Gurus
I wanted to buy IBTC a few weeks ago @ 11 naira but had not the cash. In less than a month IBTC close @ 20 naira y'day.
What other stocks looks good for me to cash now that I have little coins to play with?
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RoughCut (m)
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Nigerian environment is different. Different in the sense that the risk matrix differs. You need to know the risk drivers so that you can hedge your risk when you invest. You need to know the business model of Costain and how it fits into the economy at large. Are they set to profit from the economic climate? That information is not totally available in the public domain.
No problem in taking risks. But take risks that you UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!! Take calculated risk.
Oh yes trust me i know a lot about the nigerian investment and operating climate and Costain have totally re-engineered their business model -----> http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=52566.msg1552345#msg1552345There's no question of me not taking a position i just need to know what my entry price should be not too sure if it's going to go down to N13 as some technical analysts would like us to believe
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Geees
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I'm sorry to say but most stockbrokers are people that passed the stages of exams set as a measure for qualification(they most at times don't know the rules of investing) but in honest truth the people that make more money in the market are those with good instincts which at times may involve some risk taking(u may ask Warren Buffet  ) We all would agree that the banking sector is the most active sector for now in every sense of the word ( employment, profits,stockmarket please name on!)Now fidelity's IPO is currently selling at N8 while FCMB's IPO is selling at N14, in as much as i carefully analyse the prospectus and also use tools available at SBAresearch, lets look at the probability of doubling for a short-time investor(pardon me long timers  ) At N8, Fidelity bank is one of the few banks below the N10naira mark and while racing to catch up would easily double in price while FCMB at N14 is above the mark and would find it hard racing up to its 'elder brothers' such as Oceanic and Intercontinental which may take a longer time for FCMB to achieve a doubled price. MY TAKEIts always best to enter low.  Bobs, That is just one way to look at the situation here is another way PROFIT DRIVES PRICE- that is apart from the sentimental investors. Value investors look at how much value one coy has. I think FCMB has more value for now than Fidelity. That should drive up and SUSTAIN the price. Entering low on a poor coy will still not yield good returns. Cheers
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shigidi (m)
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Oh yes trust me i know a lot about the nigerian investment and operating climate and Costain have totally re-engineered their business model -----> http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=52566.msg1552345#msg1552345There's no question of me not taking a position i just need to know what my entry price should be not too sure if it's going to go down to N13 as some technical analysts would like us to believe costain right now has the best fundamentals out there second only to FLOUR MILLS. forecast eps is 2.90, if you can get costain at 17naira, jump in, dont forget a po is coming out soon so you might get 30% on that cos i know they will not want to come out below 20 naira. not sure about the long term yet.
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RoughCut (m)
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costain right now has the best fundamentals out there second only to FLOUR MILLS. forecast eps is 2.90, if you can get costain at 17naira, jump in, don't forget a po is coming out soon so you might get 30% on that because i know they will not want to come out below 20 naira. not sure about the long term yet.
You have scored a direct hit on this one. Their YEnd is March 31 2008 i suspect when they report for the 3rd quarter in Dec or Jan next year and the results meet expectations then i can bet my bottom dollar they will go for the PO and in the meanwhile the share price will be heading in only one direction
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pumping777 (m)
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Costain on TS today @ N18.89. I hear PO is @ N13 and rights issue @N11. Looks attractive looking at the fundamentals but will wait for the prospectus.
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RoughCut (m)
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No go get heart attack with this your Wema OOO. Too me, it is quite a risky venture.
Tending to shift towards Diamond Bank now. It appears Actis will be injecting the funds now. That should affect their bottomline.
Time to cash out on IBTC. Grossly over valued stocks. Enough returns if you are not greedy.
WAPCO and Flour Mills looking good. May start with WAPCo and shift to Flour Mills in February next year.
Rumours of Zenith acquiring Equitorial Trust Bank. Not sure how true this is.
To Diamond bank also add Bank PHP i have just stumbled on some stats which are staggering PAT for YEnd June 2007=N7.7B increase of over 250% on N2.24B for corresponding period last year # shares outstanding~6B(this needs verifying as an additional 1.6B have been listed not sure if this included in the total # of shares outstanding) So that gives us a trailing PE of 19.9 and a whopping EPS =1.28 very rare in the banking sector infact not sure how many banks have achieved this feat Already for the 1st quarter YEnd June 2008 they have made a profit before tax(PBT) of N4.5B and i like the noise i'm hearing about the acquisition of GTI insurance and PHB Asset Management in partnership with Fortis Investments of Europe(One of the big boys in Europe did some consultancy work for them and also one of the major players planning to swallow ABN AMRO in the biggest banking take-over) so this will only add an upside to the bottomline. The share price is currently on TS hoping to float an IPO @N17 when approval is granted this will result in additional shares of 5B being listed. To think this was a bank that did a private placement in 2004 @N1.95 dont know what i was looking at then now it's trading @ N25.51 and i think it went as far as N34 at some point in the year so we are talking N40 stock around June next Year So this is definitely on the watchlist for me!
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