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aktopgun (m)
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teemon, tell me is the N24,000/month payment for the land? after that is fully paid for, is there a company that builds te homes or is it the individual land owners? who exactly is selling this land and when will u get the c of o, after 15months?
many thanxs
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easimoni (m)
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i bought lasaco insurance at 3.00 and now it is 2.33,why?
I don't mean to be cheeky but prices in the stock market go up and down, sometimes for no reason at all. That said, keep your Lasaco. It'll be more than N5 a year from now if they keep up their performance.
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aktopgun (m)
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qiute right H-town. LASACO is a medium to long term gig so for the peeps who own it, hang in there i alredy own 40 big ones of crusader and if i look at its daily gyrations since i bought it i would have hurt someone by now, but i know it will go up basd on their fundamentals which look quite good.
so ride out the waves and u'll be alright
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shakasha
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Please Can Someone advice me on the current Fidelty PO? What are the prospects considering the volume they are selling and future EPS? I'm planning to throw in a large chunk into it, please advice!!
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aktopgun (m)
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fidelity seems to be a loooooonnggggg term thing so if u are the patient type go for it but based on their own prospectus i would say they are a cautious buy if at all. having said that i have asked for a small number of units frm my broker because of the risk proj eps -0.24 proj pe- 50.82!!!!!!!
current eps for 9mths 2007 -0.21 pe ratio based on offer price for 9mths 2007 38.61
fooooooddddd for thought aint'it!
now looking at these figures just sent an e-mail to my broker to ask if i haven't been foolish buying this instead of FCMB
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shakasha
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Thanks aktopgun for your fast response but don't u think Fidelity will be much higher than it's current secondary market value by the time certificates are out or allotment is concluded? This is considering the upward trend in other banks' share prices. Sentiments though! Do you suspect reconstruction of shares post offer??
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pumping777 (m)
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Please Can Someone advice me on the current Fidelty PO? What are the prospects considering the volume they are selling and future EPS? I'm planning to throw in a large chunk into it, please advice!!
Please don't. If you must buy now, go for FCMB. Platinum may even be better than FCMB but it is not out yet.
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RoughCut (m)
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Thanks aktopgun for your fast response but don't u think Fidelity will be much higher than it's current secondary market value by the time certificates are out or allotment is concluded? This is considering the upward trend in other banks' share prices. Sentiments though! Do you suspect reconstruction of shares post offer?? I hope you are not relying on share reconstruction to jerk up the share price. Its always been a bad move look at ACCESS the price has not left the N19 mark since lifting TS and its going to dip when share certs are sent out because a lot of peeps would like to sell to realise the profits from the PO
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shakasha
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Thanks people, Now I can comfortably obey my instincts and chill on Fidelty.
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aktopgun (m)
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the share price will drop once certs are released surely
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aktopgun (m)
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anyone know when the much awaited bank phb p.o is planned for release? any guess-timates on the proposed offer price
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shakasha
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Yeah it was supposed to be out on Nov 1 to run till 30 but they are probably waiting for Fidelity and FCMB to leave the stage. The proposed price is N17 against the suspension price of N25. Will it really be a wonderful buy?
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bankymi (m)
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I hope you are not relying on share reconstruction to jerk up the share price. Its always been a bad move look at ACCESS the price has not left the N19 mark since lifting TS and its going to dip when share certs are sent out because a lot of peeps would like to sell to realise the profits from the PO
Roughcut, I will say you are very wrong on this one.That share reconstruction is ALWAYS a bad move is very incorrect.It was after access bank did their SR that they started to record appreciable raise in their share price,based on more profit of course.fidelity bank is now planning to take a step access took one year ago and I'm very sure that would be good for them.beside that,the bank phb that you have rightly identified to be a very good one also did 3-1(access was only 2-1) share reconstruction back in december 2006.And it was after that that their share price began to surge.
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shakasha
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bankymi, You are right but in all the other cases the reconstructions were made before the public offers but in Fidelity's case they are planning to do that after the PO. Do you still see it as a recommendable??
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RoughCut (m)
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Roughcut, I will say you are very wrong on this one.That share reconstruction is ALWAYS a bad move is very incorrect.It was after access bank did their SR that they started to record appreciable raise in their share price,based on more profit of course.fidelity bank is now planning to take a step access took one year ago and I'm very sure that would be good for them.beside that,the bank phb that you have rightly identified to be a very good one also did 3-1(access was only 2-1) share reconstruction back in december 2006.And it was after that that their share price began to surge.
Correct me if i'm wrong this share reconstruction for bank PHB is not technically a reverse split there was a merger between habib bank and Platinum and they exchanged the shares between the two banks' shareholders in the ratio you mentioned and that's how bank PHB came to be. Check again there was no share recosntruction. ACCESS did a share reconstruction 2 for 1(may be as a result of the banks they acquired) by doubling the price and reducing in half the shares outstanding so that way the shareholders do not see a reduction in the value of their holding this is is no way comparable to the situation with habib and platinum
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wanaj0
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Correct me if i'm wrong this share reconstruction for bank PHB is not technically a reverse split there was a merger between habib bank and Platinum and they exchanged the shares between the two banks' shareholders in the ratio you mentioned and that's how bank PHB came to be. Check again there was no share recosntruction. ACCESS did a share reconstruction 2 for 1(may be as a result of the banks they acquired) by doubling the price and reducing in half the shares outstanding so that way the shareholders do not see a reduction in the value of their holding this is is no way comparable to the situation with habib and platinum
Bank BHP did a share reconstruction. As at 26th April, the price was 5.43. On the 27th of April it was 17.10. It was the same thing that ACCESS did. After the private placement and merger with Habib, the issued share was so huge that without share reconstruction, no way the share price will move up!
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bankymi (m)
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Correct me if i'm wrong this share reconstruction for bank PHB is not technically a reverse split there was a merger between habib bank and Platinum and they exchanged the shares between the two banks' shareholders in the ratio you mentioned and that's how bank PHB came to be. Check again there was no share recosntruction.
ACCESS did a share reconstruction 2 for 1(may be as a result of the banks they acquired) by doubling the price and reducing in half the shares outstanding so that way the shareholders do not see a reduction in the value of their holding this is is no way comparable to the situation with habib and platinum
roughcut, You are very wrong.Habib and platinum bank merger happened long before the SR.In 2005 to be precise.They only did the SR to reduce the number of outstanding shares EXACTLY what access bank did.the article below will tell you that Source: This Day Nigeria Bank PHB has concluded the reconstruction of its shares. This has seen the bank reduce total shares in issue to 6.4 billion ordinary shares from about 19 billion ordinary shares of 50 kobo. Shareholders are expected to be issued one ordinary share each in exchange for every three shares they hold. The total value of the holdings of shareholders in Bank PHB will not however be affected by the share reconstruction as the market value of bank will be adjusted to reflect the new number of shares in issue. This will see the bank's market price triple as the number of shares of the bank reduces. With the lower number of shares now in issue, shareholders are also expected to get higher value as the bank's earnings per share and dividend per share are also expected to triple. Share reconstruction is usually done to enhance the returns shareholders receive. Bank PHB is a 2005 merger of Platinum Bank Plc and Habib Nigeria Bank Limited, which had resulted in the issuance of extra number of shares by Platinum Bank to shareholders of Habib Bank to accommodate them in the new bank. Following the announcement of the reconstruction exercise, the Nigerian Stock Exchange (NSE) placed Bank PHB shares on technical suspension. The technical suspension means Bank PHB's shares will not be traded on the NSE until all formalities on the share reconstruction is completed. Insiders familiar with the share reconstruction procedure say as soon as the NSE is informed that all processes have been completed and new share certificates are being dispatched to shareholders, the current suspension placed on trading on the bank 's shares will be lifted. Meanwhile Bank PHB, will today celebrate one year of launch of its unique brand, which has continued to receive tremendous acclaim. Within just a year of its emergence, the Bank PHB brand has emerged as the benchmark brand in the Nigeria banking industry winning several awards in the process. The bank's high visibility has been enhanced by a sterling financial performance, which has seen both profits and assets double while retaining a high level of efficiency in its operations. The bank's share price has also more than doubled within the period emerging as one of the top twenty most capitalized stocks at end of January on the NSE. Source: This Day Nigeria
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RoughCut (m)
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I stand corrected
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bankymi (m)
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Bank BHP did a share reconstruction. As at 26th April, the price was 5.43. On the 27th of April it was 17.10. It was the same thing that ACCESS did. After the private placement and merger with Habib, the issued share was so huge that without share reconstruction, no way the share price will move up!
wanajo, Thanks wanajo for buttressing that point for me. The truth is share reconstruction was good for access bank as it was for bank BHP.I'm not saying SR will always be good.But i don't believe it will always be bad.
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RoughCut (m)
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wanajo, Thanks wanajo for buttressing that point for me. The truth is share reconstruction was good for access bank as it was for bank BHP.I'm not saying SR will always be good.But i don't believe it will always be bad.
Doesnt look like ACCESS is going anywhere at the minute
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wanaj0
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Doesn't look like ACCESS is going anywhere at the minute
Your bad belle for Access serious OOOO. Do your calculations well and you will see that you have made a LOT of money from ACCESS. (never really likes Access). As to it not going anywhere, what do you expect? Where has First Bank gone since its PO? Let's wait and see where Fidelity and co will co. The liquidity that drove the market in the first half of the year is no longer there. PFA funds are also not available. That's why you are seeing a slow down. Times like this presents opportunity to go for fairly/undervalued stocks.
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RoughCut (m)
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Your bad belle for Access serious OOOO. Do your calculations well and you will see that you have made a LOT of money from ACCESS. (never really likes Access).
As to it not going anywhere, what do you expect? Where has First Bank gone since its PO? Let's wait and see where Fidelity and co will co. The liquidity that drove the market in the first half of the year is no longer there. PFA funds are also not available. That's why you are seeing a slow down. Times like this presents opportunity to go for fairly/undervalued stocks.
Na true true you talk my brother i have made a lot of money on this stock since 04 from N1.65 but somehow i don't think its the fundamentals that's driven the share price to where it is today. The funny thing its my first stock on the NSE and its the single largest holding in my portfolio may be that's why i'm getting frustrated with them First bank is the big elephant in the equation i have decided to ignore not my cup of tea
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RoughCut (m)
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Your bad belle for Access serious OOOO. Do your calculations well and you will see that you have made a LOT of money from ACCESS. (never really likes Access).
As to it not going anywhere, what do you expect? Where has First Bank gone since its PO? Let's wait and see where Fidelity and co will co. The liquidity that drove the market in the first half of the year is no longer there. PFA funds are also not available. That's why you are seeing a slow down. Times like this presents opportunity to go for fairly/undervalued stocks.
I'm just waiting for the thing to drag itself over the N20 mark then i can start 'cleaning' my portfolio i have dumped first bank so i think the time has come for ACCESS to go the way of UBN
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wanaj0
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Na true true you talk my brother i have made a lot of money on this stock since 04 from N1.65 but somehow i don't think its the fundamentals that's driven the share price to where it is today. The funny thing its my first stock on the NSE and its the single largest holding in my portfolio may be that's why i'm getting frustrated with them
First bank is the big elephant in the equation i have decided to ignore not my cup of tea
First Bank will always be a core holding for me. Never liked Access Bank but since the take over by AIG and co, they've DELIVERED to shareholders. If you remove sentiments and calculate your return, you will be surprised that it is one of the BEST performing stocks in your portfolio. Same way I don't like Union Bank (at least ot again), but they sure deliver superior shareholder return. Even better than First Bank. So cut Access some slack!!!!
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RoughCut (m)
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First Bank will always be a core holding for me.
Never liked Access Bank but since the take over by AIG and co, they've DELIVERED to shareholders. If you remove sentiments and calculate your return, you will be surprised that it is one of the BEST performing stocks in your portfolio.
Same way I don't like Union Bank (at least ot again), but they sure deliver superior shareholder return. Even better than First Bank. So cut Access some slack!!!!
May be i will keep my ACCESS then. To matters in hand what say thou about Transnationwide express? have you made any headway i don dey beg Mypeace now she no gree answer me again
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MyPeace (f)
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Roughcut, l don't have that share, as u may believe.
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wanaj0
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May be i will keep my ACCESS then.
To matters in hand what say thou about Transnationwide express? have you made any headway i don dey beg Mypeace now she no gree answer me again
Don't know whether you should keep Access. But do your calculation and you will see that Access has delivered superior shareholder returns. That is a fact. You are angry with the reconstruction that reduces your number of units but it increased your VALUE which is the important thing! Never got Trans Express. My Peace to no get. She don tire for my harrassment also. Na small remain make she report me give her husband. So make we just forget about am dey look at something else. No be all meat man must chop!
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RoughCut (m)
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Don't know whether you should keep Access. But do your calculation and you will see that Access has delivered superior shareholder returns. That is a fact. You are angry with the reconstruction that reduces your number of units but it increased your VALUE which is the important thing!
Never got Trans Express. My Peace to no get. She don tire for my harrassment also. Na small remain make she report me give her usband. So make we just forget about am dey look at something else. No be all meat man must chop!
wetin man go do now? make we begin look at other things then
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wanaj0
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Roughcut, l don't have that share, as u may believe.
well when you get, you go allocate am to me OOOO. between, if I am the architect of my life who is the builder?  ?
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RoughCut (m)
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Roughcut, l don't have that share, as u may believe.
Just remember us when everything dey rosy
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RoughCut (m)
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well when you get, you go allocate am to me OOOO. between, if I am the architect of my life who is the builder?  ? Can you believe this Soludo guy? i have just read a report where he was quoted as saying that CBN will not allow any more foreign take-over of domestic banks and that there would a cap on the equity stakes by foreign investors in nigerian banks. My question is how are the banks supposed to compete on the global stage if willing investors are limited in what they can invest in these banks ? the truth of the matter is there is a limit to which these banks can continue to raise funds from the local capital market (no wonder Zenith has approached the market 3 times in the last 4 years) Foreign take-over, yes may be that needs to be disallowed at least for now but putting a cap on the amount of capital offshore investors can invest is non-starter for me. I hope this guy has not overstayed his welcome!! na wa o
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rasputinn (m)
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roughcut, You are very wrong.Habib and platinum bank merger happened long before the SR.In 2005 to be precise.They only did the SR to reduce the number of outstanding shares EXACTLY what access bank did.the article below will tell you that
Source: This Day Nigeria Bank PHB has concluded the reconstruction of its shares. This has seen the bank reduce total shares in issue to 6.4 billion ordinary shares from about 19 billion ordinary shares of 50 kobo. Shareholders are expected to be issued one ordinary share each in exchange for every three shares they hold.
The total value of the holdings of shareholders in Bank PHB will not however be affected by the share reconstruction as the market value of bank will be adjusted to reflect the new number of shares in issue. This will see the bank's market price triple as the number of shares of the bank reduces. With the lower number of shares now in issue, shareholders are also expected to get higher value as the bank's earnings per share and dividend per share are also expected to triple. Share reconstruction is usually done to enhance the returns shareholders receive.
Bank PHB is a 2005 merger of Platinum Bank Plc and Habib Nigeria Bank Limited, which had resulted in the issuance of extra number of shares by Platinum Bank to shareholders of Habib Bank to accommodate them in the new bank. Following the announcement of the reconstruction exercise, the Nigerian Stock Exchange (NSE) placed Bank PHB shares on technical suspension. The technical suspension means Bank PHB's shares will not be traded on the NSE until all formalities on the share reconstruction is completed. Insiders familiar with the share reconstruction procedure say as soon as the NSE is informed that all processes have been completed and new share certificates are being dispatched to shareholders, the current suspension placed on trading on the bank 's shares will be lifted.
Meanwhile Bank PHB, will today celebrate one year of launch of its unique brand, which has continued to receive tremendous acclaim. Within just a year of its emergence, the Bank PHB brand has emerged as the benchmark brand in the Nigeria banking industry winning several awards in the process.
The bank's high visibility has been enhanced by a sterling financial performance, which has seen both profits and assets double while retaining a high level of efficiency in its operations. The bank's share price has also more than doubled within the period emerging as one of the top twenty most capitalized stocks at end of January on the NSE. Source: This Day Nigeria
@ bankymi,wanaj0 thanks for your very insightful contributions on this thread,I now have added reason to butress the fact that my buying ACCESS in the P.O was a good move,plus the fact that the stocks I’m targeting(of which PHB is one of the pack) will be good buys. @ roughcut,ACCESS doubts or not(like I said in the last thread,you’ve made so much money from the stock),thanx for your initial position that brought out those wonderful contributions from wanajo and bankymi.Thanx again for standing corrected,am proud of all of you guys.Keep it up
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