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there is in compulsion in religion indeedy  I'm sure they've torn that page off the Korans in Malaysia |
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Excerpts from Hassan Al Bannah's treatise,Jihad .Al Bannah is the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood
All Muslims Must Make Jihad
Jihad is an obligation from Allah on every Muslim and cannot be ignored nor evaded. Allah has ascribed great importance to jihad and has made the reward of the martyrs and the fighters in His way a splendid one. Only those who have acted similarly and who have modeled themselves upon the martyrs in their performance of jihad can join them in this reward. Furthermore, Allah has specifically honoured the Mujahideen {those who wage jihad} with certain exceptional qualities, both spiritual and practical, to benefit them in this world and the next. Their pure blood is a symbol of victory in this world and the mark of success and felicity in the world to come.
Those who can only find excuses, however, have been warned of extremely dreadful punishments and Allah has described them with the most unfortunate of names. He has reprimanded them for their cowardice and lack of spirit, and castigated them for their weakness and truancy. In this world, they will be surrounded by dishonour and in the next they will be surrounded by the fire from which they shall not escape though they may possess much wealth. The weaknesses of abstention and evasion of jihad are regarded by Allah as one of the major sins, and one of the seven sins that guarantee failure.
Islam is concerned with the question of jihad and the drafting and the mobilisation of the entire Umma {the global Muslim community} into one body to defend the right cause with all its strength than any other ancient or modern system of living, whether religious or civil. The verses of the Qur'an and the Sunnah of Muhammad (PBUH {Peace Be Unto Him}) are overflowing with all these noble ideals and they summon people in general (with the most eloquent expression and the clearest exposition) to jihad, to warfare, to the armed forces, and all means of land and sea fighting.
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Jihad.
n. warfare in order to promote and establish islam.
p. jihadist, one who dies fighting to please Allah, gain express
admission into jannah (paradise), and be rewarded with 72 virgins.
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@all,
why don't we all just read osacares's post wholly(over and over again if necessary) and let it sink, whatever your belief stick to it, there is one paramount being and only the paramount being can judge us and knows where we will end up.
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@usalawu, @all,
why don't we all just read osacares's post wholly(over and over again if necessary) and let it sink, whatever your belief stick to it, there is one paramount being and only the paramount being can judge us and knows where we will end up. Let's look at it this way: Whatever I believe, I'm sticking to it; and they include the following: I believe that an ideology that promotes jihadist terrorism should be challenged I believe that the deception under jihad should be challenged and exposed I believe that only when we understand this problem would we be able to rightly deal with it I believe that speaking against this jihadist terrorism is the starting point to dealing with it I believe that we should endeavour to appreciate life and hate death I believe that me and my family should NOT be made victims at the expense of rewarding jihadists with 72 virgins in any jannah I believe that we can love Muslims despite differences in beliefs; and practically loving them should include exposing the deception of jihadist terrorism . . . and I believe that to be quiet in the face of this threat is to consciously choose to be a victim. If my beliefs on this topic are unwelcome, it would only mean that your appeal should rather have been left unposted.  |
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@stimulus
it is a free world you can voice out your opinion, but you do not have be judgemental about it (that goes for everbody)The JIHAD topic is one that will continually be debated upon, it is just one of those issues that cannot be clarified, Pray that we do not fall victim of any cruel act,
LOVE CONQUERS ALL
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@usawalu, Your response was quite predictable; but even at that, I wasn't being judgemental - or you should also admit that you were being judgemental in yours as well. Afterall, it was your opinion, abi? While we pray not to fall victim to any act of violence, it is our responsibility to seriously challenge issues that make us potential victims to such acts. The love that conquers anything is that which seeks to expose threats so that people can go about their lives without such threats. Cheers.  |
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@stimulus
1. The being judgmental thing wasn't directed at you,
2. What threats is being exposed? I need more clarification from you.
@poster
Jihad is no 6th pillar of Islam, It's rather unfortunate the context in which the term is being used, What politics has done,
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@usawalu, 1. The being judgmental thing wasn't directed at you, I know - and mine should not sound as if it was directed at you when you wrote this: @stimulus
it is a free world you can voice out your opinion, but you do not have be judgemental about it Mark the highlighted words. 2. What threats is being exposed? I need more clarification from you.
Please scroll up on this link and read them again: http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-53042.64.html#msg1164140 |
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@stimulus
Ok man points noted. Still stand by my first post, we all can get along,
I was going through the Why do muslims face the east, d whole Islam/Christianity thingy as turned into something else, We all can voice out our different opinions no harm in that, One message we should preach is to have RESPECT for people and their religions and these issues would not get out of hand,
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@stimulus
Ok man points noted. Still stand by my first post, we all can get along, Respects. |
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All hail Telly B (someone declare a fatwa on this troublesome adversary! ), Knight Templar Extraordinaire of the Coalition Of Christian Crusaders In Cyberspace(CCCC/). Your fellow soldiers (davidlyan and babyosisi) were going round in circles, using the catch all ´speaking in parables’(who was that dude, back in the 90s, Primate Adebayo, I think(can´t recall).he said bush would win the 92 elections(God must have been speaking to him, same as Chris Okotie(‘God Spoke to me when I was three’) ). when Clinton won, he said he was ‘speaking in parables´). I salute you. CCCC soldier: this here infidel has hit us with the old ‘I come to bring a sword ‘ verse! What do we do? CCCC soldier 2: Stall him! I´ll IM Telly B! he´ll know what to do! Again, I salute you. At least you seek debate, not ridicule. (  ) As to my ‘running off’, well, better late than never Here are four different translations of surah 19.31 Asad and everyone of you will come within sight of it, this with your Sustainer is a decree that must be fulfilled Malik There is not a single one of you, who shall not pass over it, this absolute decree of your Rabb is unavoidable; Picktall There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord Yusuf Ali Not one of you but will pass over it: this is with thy Lord a Decree which must be accomplished three interpretations: 1) every person must pass through or above the fire. those who have taqwa/piety (the love and fear that a Muslim feels for Allah. A person with taqwa desires to be in the good pleasures of Allah and to stay away from those things that would displease Allah. )He is careful not to go beyond the bounds and limits set by Allah.) will be saved by Allah's mercy 2) referring to verse 69 of the surah(which preceded)Then shall We certainly drag out from every sect all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion against (Allah) Most Gracious. this verse can be assumed to refer to the wicked 3) some refer to the verse to the bridge(Sirat) over hell,over which all must pass to their final destiny More on this: hadith 83 Narrated by Jabir ibn Abdullah Jabir was asked about the arrival (of people on the Day of Resurrection). He said: We shall come on the Day of Resurrection like this like this and see, carefully , that which concerns "elevated people". He (the narrator) said: Then the people would be summoned with their idols whom they worshipped, one after another. Then our Lord would come to us and say: For whom are you waiting? They would say: We are waiting for our Lord. He would say: I am your Lord. They would say: (We are not sure) until we gaze at Thee. He would manifest Himself smilingly to them, and would go with them and they would follow Him. Every person, whether a hypocrite or a believer, would be endowed with a light. There would be spikes and hooks on the bridge of Hell, which would catch hold of those whom Allah will. Then the light of the hypocrites would be extinguished, and the believers would secure salvation. The first group to achieve it would comprise seventy thousand men who would have the brightness of the full moon on their faces, and they would not be called to account. Then the faces of the people immediately following them will be like the brightest stars in Heaven. This is how (the groups would follow one after another). Then the stage of intercession would come, and they (who are permitted to intercede) would intercede until he who has declared: "There is no god but Allah" and has in his heart virtue of the weight of a barley grain would come out of the Fire. They would be then brought into the courtyard of Paradise. The inhabitants of Paradise would begin to sprinkle water over them until they sprout like the sprouting of a plant in flood water, and their burns would disappear. They would ask their Lord until they are granted (the bounties) of the world and with them ten more besides hadith 82 Narrated AbuDharr Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) said: I know the last of the inhabitants of Paradise to enter it and the last of the inhabitants of Hell to come out of it. He is a man who would be brought on the Day of Resurrection and it will be said: Present his minor sins to him, and withhold from him his serious sins. Then the minor sins would be placed before him, and it would be said: On such and such a day you did so and so and on such and such a day you did so and so. He would say: Yes. It will not be possible for him to deny, while he would be afraid lest serious sins should be presented before him. It would be said to him: In place of every evil deed you will have good deed He will say: My Lord! I have done things I do not see here. I indeed saw the Messenger of Allah laugh till his front teeth were exposed. Does this answer your question? Please feel free to interpret the above in any way you like. Heh heh, over 100 verses in the Quran on hell, did you miss this one? 21.98 Verily ye (Unbelievers) and the (false) gods that ye worship besides Allah are (but) fuel for Hell! To it will ye (surely) come! 15. 44 To it are seven Gates: for each of those Gates is (special) class (of sinners assigned). Maybe if you´d read this, you´d have a better understanding…. 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As to our debate on ‘militant’ Christianity, I see you deliberately made no comments on the NFRT, the LRA, or the genocide against Bosnian muslims by Croatian and Serbian Christians. As to yor comments on the meaning of Jesus' words in verses cited: Matthew 10:34-39: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. if only pope Urban had seen them the same way; Pope Urban's Call to Crusade at Clermont Reported by Robert the Monk In the year of our Lord's Incarnation one thousand and ninety-five, a great council was celebrated within the bounds of Gaul, in Auvergne, in the city which is called Clermont. Over this Pope Urban II presided, with the Roman bishops and cardinals. This council was a famous one on account of the concourse of both French and German bishops, and of princes as well. Having arranged the matters relating to the Church, the lord pope went forth into a certain spacious plain, for no building was large enough to hold all the people. The pope then, with sweet and persuasive eloquence, addressed those present in words some thing like the following, saying: “Oh, race of Franks, race from across the mountains, race beloved and chosen by God,—as is clear from many of your works,—set apart from all other nations by the situation of your country as well as by your Catholic faith and the honor which you render to the holy Church: ( ) to you our discourse is addressed, and for you our exhortations are intended. We wish you to know what a grievous cause has led us to your country, for it is the imminent peril threatening you and all the faithful which has brought us hither. “From the confines of Jerusalem and from the city of Constantinople a grievous report has gone forth and has repeatedly been brought to our ears; namely, that a race from the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race wholly alienated from God, ‘a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not steadfast with God,  ’ has violently invaded the lands of those Christians and has depopulated them by pillage and fire. They have led away a part of the captives into their own country, and a part they have killed by cruel tortures(the usual Christian propaganda). They have either destroyed the churches of God or appropriated them for the rites of their own religion. They destroy the altars, after having defiled them with their uncleanness.… The kingdom of the Greeks is now dismembered by them and has been deprived of territory so vast in extent that it could not be traversed in two months' time. “On whom, therefore, is the labor of avenging these wrongs and of recovering this territory incumbent, if not upon you,—you, upon whom, above all other nations, G od has conferred remarkable glory in arms, great courage, bodily activity, and strength to humble the heads of those who resist you? ( )Let the deeds of your ancestors encourage you and incite your minds to manly achievements:—the glory and greatness of King Charlemagne, and of his son Louis, and of your other monarchs, w ho have destroyed the kingdoms of the Turks and have extended the sway of the holy Church over lands previously pagan.((what do you call that  ?) Let the holy Sepulcher of our Lord and Saviour, which is possessed by the unclean nations, especially arouse you, and the holy places which are now treated with ignominy and irreverently polluted with the filth of the unclean(must be an apes and monkeys thing). Oh, most valiant soldiers and descendants of invincible ancestors, do not degenerate, but recall the valor of your progenitors. Enough of all that, lets come to the piece de resistance “ But if you are hindered by love of children, parents, or wife, remember what the Lord says in the Gospel, ‘He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me.' ‘Every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.’ Let none of your possessions retain you, nor solicitude for your family affairs. For this land which you inhabit, shut in on all sides by the seas and surrounded by the mountain peaks, is too narrow for your large population; nor does it abound in wealth; and it furnishes scarcely food enough for its cultivators(your comments please). Hence it is that you murder and devour one another, that you wage war, and that very many among you perish in intestine strife. “Let hatred therefore depart from among you, let your quarrels end, let wars cease, and let all dissensions and controversies slumber. Enter upon the road to the Holy Sepulcher; wrest that land from the wicked race, and subject it to yourselves. That land which, as the Scripture says, ‘floweth with milk and honey’ was given by God into the power of the children of Israel. Jerusalem is the center of the earth; the land is fruitful above all others, like another paradise of delights. This spot the Redeemer of mankind has made illustrious by his advent, has beautified by his sojourn, has consecrated by his passion, has redeemed by his death, has glorified by his burial. “This royal city, however, situated at the center of the earth, is now held captive by the enemies of Christ and is subjected, by those who do not know God, to the worship of the heathen. She seeks, therefore, and desires to be liberated and ceases not to implore you to come to her aid. From you especially she asks succor, because, as we have already said, God has conferred upon you above all other nations great glory in arms. Accordingly, undertake this journey eagerly for the remission of your sins, with the assurance of the reward of imperishable glory in the kingdom of heaven.” When Pope Urban had urbanely said these and very many similar things, he so centered in one purpose the desires of all who were present that all cried out, “It is the will of God! It is the will of God!” When the venerable Roman pontiff heard that, with eyes uplifted to heaven, he gave thanks to God and, commanding silence with his hand, said: “Most beloved brethren, to-day is manifest in you what the Lord says in the Gospel, ‘Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them’; for unless God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry; since, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let that then be your war cry in combats, because it is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: ‘It is the will of God! It is the will of God!’ “And we neither command nor advise that the old or feeble, or those incapable of bearing arms, undertake this journey. Nor ought women to set out at all without their husbands, or brothers, or legal guardians. For such are more of a hindrance than aid, more of a burden than an advantage. Let the rich aid the needy; and according to their wealth let them take with them experienced soldiers. The priests and other clerks, whether secular or regular, are not to go without the consent of their bishop; for this journey would profit them nothing if they went without permission. Also, it is not fitting that laymen should enter upon the pilgrimage without the blessing of their priests. “Whoever, therefore, shall determine upon this holy pilgrimage, and shall make his vow to God to that effect, and shall offer himself to him for sacrifice, as a living victim, holy and acceptable to God, shall wear the sign of the cross of the Lord on his forehead or on his breast. When, indeed, he shall return from his journey, having fulfilled his vow, let him place the cross on his back between his shoulders. Thus shall ye, indeed, by this twofold action, fulfill the precept of the Lord, as he commands in the Gospel, ‘He that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.’” A slightly different (and more literal ) interpretation of ‘jesus´s´’ words, don´t you think? Whatever happened to the ‘parabola´?or does it manifest during debate |
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Interpretations of Matthew 10:34-39 (whatever happened to your parabola?)
Advocating violence
Some Christians and non-Christians believe that in these passages Jesus was advocating the use of violence. Applying a literal interpretation, they take the word "sword" to mean a literal metal sword and, by extension, warfare. In that case "division", as used in the verse from the Book of Luke, would tend to mean strife and war. For Christians accepting this interpretation, these passages may be seen as part of a justification for just wars and capital punishme
Predicting violence
Other Christians hold that Jesus is using the word "sword" as a metaphor to describe the division that his message would bring between those who accept it and those who reject it. A further and more mystical interpretation represents a personal conflict, or evolution, as in a rebirth. In the context of the passage, Jesus was warning his disciples. Whether internal or external, conflict will come for Christians. "It will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah than for them."
They conclude that this division between righteous and unrighteous is the "sword" which Jesus brought. And as a result of this division:
"Brother will deliver up brother to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death," indicating that the message would divide families between those who accepted the message and those who rejected it.
Rather than advocating violence, Jesus was warning his disciples that they would encounter violence from those unwilling to accept the Truth. Nowhere in the passage does he instruct them to harm anyone. On the contrary, he instructs them to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cast out demons, and explicitly tells them to be "as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves." These are all instructions consistent with his message of love and grace. He does not command them to resort to violence with those who reject the message. On the contrary, he tells them to leave the homes of those who reject them, because God alone will be the judge of those who reject the Truth.
This interpretation that the Truth will cause division between those who accept it and those who reject it is also reflected in John 1:10-13 (RSV), which reports of Jesus:
"He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world knew him not. He came to his own home, and his own people received him not. But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God."
See also Rejection of Jesus.
A similar theme appears in Romans 1:20-21 (RSV):
"Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse; for although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened."
In the above passage, Paul (the author of Romans) does not advocate violence against the wicked. On the contrary, he indicates that the worst punishment for the sins of wicked is to turn them over to their own desires, because the wicked are perfectly capable of destroying themselves.
Christians separating from nonbelieving families
The final main interpretation is that Jesus was telling His disciples that Christian sons might have to leave unbelieving parents, and vice-versa. Christ has the power to save enemies, and once they are "adopted brothers" in Christ, they are encouraged to "love one another" (1 John 4:7).
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as to Jihad, did you deliberately miss out these verses and hadiths? "Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors." (Qur'an 2:190) "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers." (Qur'an 2:193) "If they seek peace, then you seek peace. And trust in God for He is the One that hears and knows all things." (Qur'an 8:61) hadith 2040 narrated by AbuSaid al Khudri The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: The best fighting (jihad) in the path of Allah is (to speak) a word of justice to an oppressive ruler. Jihad - "Jihad" does not mean "holy war." Literally(enter the parabola! ), jihad means to strive, struggle and exert effort. It is a central and broad Islamic concept that includes struggle against evil inclinations within oneself, struggle to improve the quality of life in society, struggle in the battlefield for self-defense (e.g., - having a standing army for national defense), or fighting against tyranny or oppression. The equivalent of the term "holy war" in Arabic is "harb muqaddasah," a term that cannot be found in the Quran or the Prophet's sayings (hadith). There is no such thing as "holy war" in Islam, as some careless translators may imply. It is rather a loaded Medieval concept that did not arise from within the Muslim community. Because of this myth's frequent repetition, most people in the West accept it as if it were a fact. Many polemical descriptions of Islam have focused critically on the Islamic concept of jihad. Jihad, considered the sixth pillar of Islam by some Muslims, has been understood to mean holy war in these descriptions. However, the word in Arabic means "to struggle" or "to exhaust one's effort," in order to please God. Within the faith of Islam, this effort can be individual or collective, and it can apply to leading a virtuous life; helping other Muslims through charity, education, or other means; preaching Islam; and fighting to defend Muslims. Western media of the 20th century continue to focus on the militant interpretations of the concept of jihad, whereas most Muslims do not. i too, shall be away for a week(mayhap we are in the same org?)cheers. |
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@oyb, Ol' boy, no make me die for laff, because that would be another form of jihad by confusion! The facts boil down to one thing and one thing only: there's no jihad in the career of Jesus Christ, regardless your sweated and pained effort to interpret Biblical verses as such. # Did Jesus Christ go out to attack cities or promise damsels and booties for those who take up a jihad in His name? # Is there any Hadith or even verse in the Qur'an that teaches that Jesus Christ went to war against people in just the same way that Muhammad did? It is clear that Muhammad promised jannah to jihadists through the sword; so coming back to make excuses for him is only wasted effort. |
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I think it's an islamic thing to copy and paste without revealing the Islamic sources.
Just found out one of the original writers of answering christisnity Islamic website has since flushed down his koran and bought a Sword with concordance.
Alas,looks like babs passed on his "knowledge ".
What a comedian!
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dear doctor, you should know my profile by now: my sources have always been unbiased.i don't go to islamic websites . wikipedia(i come not to bring pece but a sword) MS encarta 2007.(your pope's quote) na your pope interpret your saviors words. . no parabola for him. .
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dear doctor, you should know my profile by now: my sources have always been unbiased.i don't go to islamic websites . wikipedia(i come not to bring pece but a sword) MS encarta 2007.(your pope's quote) na your pope interpret your saviors words. . no parabola for him. . honey bun,you never cease to expose your ignorance. There are no unbiased people in the world. Eveyone has a leaning and a view about anything don't kid yourself. To correct your ignorance again,I have no pope. The pope is the head of the Catholic church and that's all that is. I respect him but he is not God Anybody that says anything outside the Scriptures no matter who he or she may be is wrong. Christians are capable of reasoning and are intelligent people.? People of the book,remember! Even mo and your allah asked you to learn from us. If in doubt,ask questions,that's what Muhammad told you to do If you can't obey simple instructions how can you say allah knows best doesn't he |
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please don't derail the thread with the jihad of baseless arguments.Back to da topic keep kidding yourself,you kafir Yoruba Muslims have your heads rolling down the sandy soil of Kano when jihad begins,even before the head has a chance to utter allahu alam don't say I didn't warn |
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sweetie pie, oh well, to misquote george orwell, all people are biased, and some people are more biased than others i have chosen to take from a less biased source(or are wikipedia and encarta islamic aplolgists ) we all know babyosisi's view on muslims . i hope u also disagree with the current popes stand on islam(since you have no pope.is davidlyan catholic?he seems to agree with the current pope). heh, heh, go back to my post.u will see that i underlined the popes reference to the verse concerned.(the piece de resistance) (tears of amazement), I never thought i' d see the day. the doctor actually cherry picked a verse that isn't against christians from the Quran! maybe there's hope after all. but you do realise that i have learnt from you.I have learnt to mock, ridicule and smear another religion.you are a great teacher.I came to nairaland to chat about computers and such.then i came across your oh so cherry comments about muslims/Islam/Muhammed, and i was sucked into your dark ugly world of insult and counter insult, slander and counter slander. since you are aware that anything outside your scriptures must be wrong, why the questions about MFM? or are those within your scriptures? as to the topic, you have already exhausted it.anyway, let me give you that which is most important to you,the last word. |
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I made a statement of fact as far as the Bible is concerned without any reference to any specifics about the pope or davidylan,ok honeycomb oh,have you been reading the mfm thread? see, Christians reason,ask questions,rub minds etc. We don't jump out with machete just because Imam Abdullahi tells us to. That is a big difference you are learning from me? lol The day your brothers in allah stop terrorizing the world,I'll log off threads like this |
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for the record,I don't hate Muslims,never have and never will. I'm a lover not a hater I only expose the fraud as made up by Mohammed |
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if you refer back to my post on pope urban, you will realise that christians go to war because ther pope tells them to. if you are honest , you will realise hat one of the differences between christains and muslims is that when a christian asks a question on the religion thread, he/she discusses with her fellow christians. when a muslim asks a question, people like you jump in and commence your usual game(ridicule).thats what cristians do. i wonder who taught you that, since your savior did not advocate ridicule of other faiths.(unless its in parables).then again, you're probably as much a christian as all thos eother(who need be mentioned) sinners whose scandals make headlines. |
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stimulus (m)
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@oyb, if you refer back to my post on pope urban, you will realise that christians go to war because ther pope tells them to. That may well be true in the past; and you should realize that the Pope is neither Allah nor Jesus Christ. When Muslims go to war in the name of Jihad, they do so believing that they are carrying out a holy war on "infidels" based on Allah's commandment; and not on what some Imam or mullah tells them to do. If it is a question of interpretations of the holy writs and historical antecedents, there have been misinterpretations on both sides and numerous bloody wars. However, you cannot make a case from the Bible that Jesus Christ was a Jihadist to fit the belligerent and military career of Muhammad who claimed to have received Jihad as a revelation from Allah. Even Muslims, (in comparing the careers of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad based on Deut. 18:15 & 18 for 'the Prophet'), usually state that Muhammad was a military leader, while Jesus Christ was not! Take a look at the table of comparison in the following link, where Muhammad is clearly said to have gone after his enemies in hot pursuit with battles; while Jesus Christ did no such: 2. A Prophet Like Moses Encounters with enemies: Moses - Hot Pursuit Muhammad - Hot pursuit w/ battles Jesus - n/a Source: http://www.bilderberg.org/crusade/Islam.htmNo matter how you argue this topic, you can't evade the fact that Muhammad was a warmonger who predicated paradise on warfare for Muslims. if you are honest , you will realise hat one of the differences between christains and muslims is that when a christian asks a question on the religion thread, he/she discusses with her fellow christians. And what is wrong with that? Have Muslims not discussed questions between themselves? Or, have they suddenly developed a phobia for talking to people who don't wear a hijab? when a muslim asks a question, people like you jump in and commence your usual game(ridicule).thats what cristians do. By lumping up every Christian that way, you've displayed your seething bias and prejudice. The same arguments applies to your Muslim apologists who have jumped into threads and sought to ridicule Christianity. Go ask babs787 who has a second-to-none reputation for that on this Forum. He often advanced the excuse that he was only 'retaliating' until he was exposed for who he really was - his "tit-for-tat" games could not compare with his infelicity of referring to your own Muslim translators as "deluded authors that lied in order to deceive"!! I haven't seen any Muslim reaction to that on this Forum, other than the joke you guys often come with as highlighted in your quote above. i wonder who taught you that, since your savior did not advocate ridicule of other faiths.(unless its in parables).then again, you're probably as much a christian as all thos eother(who need be mentioned) sinners whose scandals make headlines. When Muslims have had no answers to questions asked, they predictably read such questions as "ridiculing" Islam. Thanks to Islam, the scandals of terrorism have not once ceased, even for a day to make headlines since 9/11. And if you really want to see how much has made headlines from your jihad recently, please visit this link (borrowed from another thread): http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ I guess the world should be worried as to why Christians have not equalled such Islamic terrorism as a daily event, NO? |
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nossycheek (f)
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@Usalawu @poster
Jihad is no 6th pillar of Islam, It's rather unfortunate the context in which the term is being used, What politics has done , the true position from I-man Excerpts from Hassan Al Bannah's treatise,Jihad .Al Bannah is the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood
All Muslims Must Make Jihad
Jihad is an obligation from Allah on every Muslim and cannot be ignored nor evaded. Allah has ascribed great importance to jihad and has made the reward of the martyrs and the fighters in His way a splendid one. Only those who have acted similarly and who have modeled themselves upon the martyrs in their performance of jihad can join them in this reward. Furthermore, Allah has specifically honoured the Mujahideen {those who wage jihad} with certain exceptional qualities, both spiritual and practical, to benefit them in this world and the next. Their pure blood is a symbol of victory in this world and the mark of success and felicity in the world to come.
Those who can only find excuses, however, have been warned of extremely dreadful punishments and Allah has described them with the most unfortunate of names. He has reprimanded them for their cowardice and lack of spirit, and castigated them for their weakness and truancy. In this world, they will be surrounded by dishonour and in the next they will be surrounded by the fire from which they shall not escape though they may possess much wealth. The weaknesses of abstention and evasion of jihad are regarded by Allah as one of the major sins, and one of the seven sins that guarantee failure.
Islam is concerned with the question of jihad and the drafting and the mobilisation of the entire Umma {the global Muslim community} into one body to defend the right cause with all its strength than any other ancient or modern system of living, whether religious or civil. The verses of the Qur'an and the Sunnah of Muhammad (PBUH {Peace Be Unto Him}) are overflowing with all these noble ideals and they summon people in general (with the most eloquent expression and the clearest exposition) to jihad, to warfare, to the armed forces, and all means of land and sea fighting. And these are the message passed in the qur'an and it remains the true position and need not be politicised for arguments sake. |
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babyosisi (f)
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When Muslims have had no answers to questions asked, they predictably read such questions as "ridiculing" Islam. Thanks to Islam, the scandals of terrorism have not once ceased, even for a day to make headlines since 9/11. And if you really want to see how much has made headlines from your jihad recently, please visit this link (borrowed from another thread): http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ I guess the world should be worried as to why Christians have not equalled such Islamic terrorism as a daily event, NO? Haven't you heard 9/11 was orchestrated by Christians and Jews? They'll be pasting it soon,just wait |
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stimulus (m)
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Haven't you heard 9/11 was orchestrated by Christians and Jews?
They'll be pasting it soon,just wait I know. . . I was only being mischievous to have forgotten that 7/7 in London was actually a Christian thing. The Media (as usual) came up with their propaganda and confused the whole thing to blame it on the wrong people to make it sound like an Islamic problem! Infact sef, it was Jews who sneaked into northern Nigeria (as they usually do) and caused the several riots that left the blood trails. The reason why Christians in Nigeria did not see this is because al-Taqiyya is again a Christian tenet! In Spain and Indonesia, the Media was at it again blaming Muslims for certain "Christian" elements who chanted Allahu Akbar as they blew up innocent civilians. Why are we pretending as if these have not been orchestrated by Christians? Infact, I'm so sorry to have been pretending that Usama bin Laden was a Muslim. He was actually a Coptic Jew in the Orthodox Church! Bottomline - there's no Jihad in the Qur'an. Nothing in that book or even in the Hadiths suggests Jihad. Jihad started when one Quraish- Jew declared that the Torah was lost and the Injil can no longer be found! Or. . . am I still mixing it up?  |
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nossycheek (f)
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am I still mixing it up? Nehi, you are online |
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thesilent1 (m)
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When Muslims go to war in the name of Jihad, they do so believing that they are carrying out a holy war on "infidels" based on Allah's commandment; and not on what some Imam or mullah tells them to do. eh, i think he has a point here. @ stimulus, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you no go kill me o!!!!!! but just in case it is proven not to be the jews (come to think of it, my dad who is a jew did pop out of the house that day) i am sure those " Black Jesus Crew" would have had a hand in it |
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babyosisi (f)
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allahu arched bar!
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Ansary (m)
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hEy, What do you think you are, a muslim or a pegan? we all believe this is not Islam. How fool are you for introducing the sixth pillar of Islam? Heard It from the Prophet, or a great Islamist? Be careful My dear.  How I wish you are online now, or i was online when you posted this. |
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