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Imani (f)
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That's what i meant too. It would be well enough if he makes people know the fact about Estonia or other destinations and what they are good for. I'm not against anyone's business, but i hate deceit. Let your clients know what and how it's like in their destination countries so that they'd know what to expect instead of giving them fake hopes and encouraging them to take desperate measures at the risk of their lives, freedom or deportation. Like i insisted earlier, Estonia is only good for tourism, and not for a "vanish" because, free border movement does not exist here: or, perhaps you want to risk using " resemblance" passport from Estonia  ? Abeg vijustice, don't kill me o  are there oluwole or oriolori passports operating in Estonia yet? 
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Vicjustice (m)
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But, Imani, How many Nigerians do you think would be interested in Estonia if it's just for tourism? If many people responded (as Papabrowne claimed) isn't it understood that they have been misled to hope for "vanish" into other EU states? Papabrowne, do your business with best of accurate informations because, it's not funny if people sell their inheritance to be stranded in Estonia. LET THEM KNOW THAT IT'S STRICTLY FOR TOURISM AND NOT FOR GREENER PASTURE AND THAT THEY CAN NOT VANISH INTO OTHER EU COUNTRIES EXCEPT LATVIA AND LITHUANIA.
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PapaBrowne (m)
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Hmmm, people are funny! I am not obliged to reply any posts since as stated, we are fuller than capacity already. But I would. I checked the website you posted and it is ok. You should have posted it in your first post to avoid any doubts.
Good that you already have people interested but just remember to tell them the real deal and don't encourage them to disappear so it doesnt affect your business later.
I noticed in your posts you didn't retract any of the wrong information you posted earlier especially about Estonia being part of the Schenghen states. It would have been nice and that would convince people that you are human, make mistakes and not afraid to admit them rather going defensive and praising yourself or attacking other posters. Nobody wants spoil your business. It is a good business opportunity but like everything else, you need to build a solid reputation. It is not a Nigerian male thing is it?
I didn't retract any information because none of it was wrong. 1)I stated that Estonia is a member of the E.You. That is very correct. 2)I stated that new E.You states including Estonia would join Schengen in 2007. That is correct. 3)Estonia is presently a member of the schengen agreement, however it starts implementing the agreement in December 2007. 4)Estonia is a gorgeous country.It is located 50 miles from Finland,200 miles from Sweden. The economy is booming.Estonian properties are been rushed by British and Irish citizens.These are facts. Do the research yourself. Please pin point any wrong or misleading information. Imani, while you are genuine in your postings, you shouldn't speak with as much authority as you have on issues you barely understand. Bcos u're nice and genuine, I'll explain the process to you slightly. (not that it matters) First, the programme is intended for genuine applicants.However, there is hardly anything like a genuine applicant in Nigeria,hence the "Vanish"clause. The Estonian Visa issued is for six months starting July, so before it expires the borders will be completely open. In all immigration laws, there are loopholes that can be used to your advantage.And that is what we are using for our clients on this program. The fact that you can marry an American for the sole purpose of getting a Green card is a loophole in the immigration system and the INS knows about it. When Pregnant women were rushing to Ireland to give birth, they were taking advantage of the fact that a child born in Ireland automatically entitles the mother to a permanent residence. That is a loophole in the immigration system. So if we have found a loophole in the E.You immigration policy, and choose to use it to the benefit of our clients, Bravo. On your statement about english speaking countries, be informed that there are only two English speaking countries in Europe(UK & Ireland), so if you insinuate that those are the only countries ideal for Nigerians, then take a tour around Europe and see for yourself whether or not Nigerians have made success elsewhere. Amani, Good that you're in the States. Right from your first comment, and as i followed the discussion, i understood that you were neither fooled nor impressed by this Scammer known as Papabrowne. Keep it up!
Imani, your "boyfriend" (wikjustice) has just called me a scammer. Please tell him I really wouldn't want to join issues with him.
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Vicjustice (m)
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Hmmm, people are funny! I am not obliged to reply any posts since as stated, we are fuller than capacity already. But I would.
I didn't retract any information because none of it was wrong. 1)I stated that Estonia is a member of the E.You. That is very correct. 2)I stated that new E.You states including Estonia would join Schengen in 2007. That is correct. 3)Estonia is presently a member of the schengen agreement, however it starts implementing the agreement in December 2007. 4)Estonia is a gorgeous country.It is located 50 miles from Finland,200 miles from Sweden. The economy is booming.Estonian properties are been rushed by British and Irish citizens.These are facts. Do the research yourself. Please pin point any wrong or misleading information.
Imani, while you are genuine in your postings, you shouldn't speak with as much authority as you have on issues you barely understand. Bcos u're nice and genuine, I'll explain the process to you slightly. (not that it matters) First, the programme is intended for genuine applicants.However, there is hardly anything like a genuine applicant in Nigeria,hence the "Vanish"clause. The Estonian Visa issued is for six months starting July, so before it expires the borders will be completely open. In all immigration laws, there are loopholes that can be used to your advantage.And that is what we are using for our clients on this program. The fact that you can marry an American for the sole purpose of getting a Green card is a loophole in the immigration system and the INS knows about it. When Pregnant women were rushing to Ireland to give birth, they were taking advantage of the fact that a child born in Ireland automatically entitles the mother to a permanent residence. That is a loophole in the immigration system. So if we have found a loophole in the E.You immigration policy, and choose to use it to the benefit of our clients, Bravo.
On your statement about english speaking countries, be informed that there are only two English speaking countries in Europe(UK & Ireland), so if you insinuate that those are the only countries ideal for Nigerians, then take a tour around Europe and see for yourself whether or not Nigerians have made success elsewhere.
Imani, your "boyfriend" (wikjustice) has just called me a scammer. Please tell him I really wouldn't want to join issues with him.
Papabrowne, you make me sick! But i won't give it up because i see that you're just a cheap liar and you amend your lies with further lies. You stated that "Estonia is an E.You country, hence the Visa allows you to enter 25 European Union Countries freely. Are you saying this statement is correct? Is the Schengen visa acceptable in the UK and Ireland? Then how come they're 25 countries and "FREELY"?? You're now trying to say that your potential victims would stay back and wait until the Schengen agreement is fully implemented so they can move freely. If this is accurate, then why did you use the word " vanish"? Again, you're giving senseless hope to your victims by saying that Estonia will be border-free Schengen state in December 2007 where-as, the suggested date is not before december 31 2007 and is liable to a change. You know fully well that your claims are baseless and i see you as an evil man who would ruin others to profit himself. Question: What kind of visas are you going to get for your clients, the Schengen visa or the Estonian visa? FACT: Estonia embassies do not, and can not issue the Schengen visa, so, it's impossible to travel to Estonia with an Estonian visa and then use this same visa to travel to other countries when Estonia would be border-free Schengen state on a date that's not certain and that might not even be next year. FACT: Only immigrants with legal status in the Schengen states enjoy the free movements in it's territories, not the ones with Estonian visas FACT: Whoever comes to Estonia with it's national visa, with the hope of "vanishing" is liable to end up in jail and eventually be deported with the EU fund. FACT: Estonia in the EU, it's economy is as compared to that of Libya. FACT: Estonia like (Latvia and Lithuania) is opportune to be accepted into the EU not by achievements, but by favour because it's low population is not a threat to the EU. FACT: Unlike good EU countries where black people can "vanish" into black communities, a black man in Estonia is an obvious figure, so, it's easy to pick him up as soon as his visa expires: so "vanishing" in Estonia is as risky as swimming across a river that is infested with crocodiles. FACT: Estonia population is just 1,415,681, (far less than 1.5 million). Black people don't live in estonia the few you see here are students who are badly in need of help like those in Russia. FINALLY: I am in Estonia at the moment, and i'm informing you that Estonia is not a place for undocumented immigrant: a black man can not hide among white people. Whoever would go to Estonia, let him have tourism in his mind, don't be deceived by the corrupt evil mind of the scammer known as Papabrowne: I WARN YOU!
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Vicjustice (m)
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Apart from the ones they see on TV movies, many people in Estonia have never met any black person before, even in their capital city: a lot of people told me that i was the first black guy they've seen in person. There are just a countable number of Africans here, Isn't this remarkable?
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English1 (f)
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Whatever the situation is in Estonia (and I doubt it is good) even if you manage to 'vanish' to a more developed European country your opportunites, as an illegal immegrant are very poor. In the past, illegal immigrants could find work but now it is almost impossible. Thousands and thousands of legal EU citizens have moved from the poorer countries to the richer countries, and companies can employ them for tiny wages. Why would they risk huge fines and jail by now employing an illegal immigrant.
If you hit Europe as an illegal immigrant, someone without a work permit, you'll end up doing what you see all the other illegal Africans doing. Standing on street corners selling handbags and running whenever the police appear, and barely earning enough to eat. With virtually no chance of converting to legal status once you are here illegally, it's a bad choice to make.
Work to come here legally. Otherwise you will regret it.
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Imani (f)
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Hmmm, people are funny! I am not obliged to reply any posts since as stated, we are fuller than capacity already. But I would.
I didn't retract any information because none of it was wrong. 1)I stated that Estonia is a member of the E.You. That is very correct. 2)I stated that new E.You states including Estonia would join Schengen in 2007. That is correct. 3)Estonia is presently a member of the schengen agreement, however it starts implementing the agreement in December 2007. 4)Estonia is a gorgeous country.It is located 50 miles from Finland,200 miles from Sweden. The economy is booming.Estonian properties are been rushed by British and Irish citizens.These are facts. Do the research yourself. Please pin point any wrong or misleading information.
Imani, while you are genuine in your postings, you shouldn't speak with as much authority as you have on issues you barely understand. Bcos u're nice and genuine, I'll explain the process to you slightly. (not that it matters) First, the programme is intended for genuine applicants.However, there is hardly anything like a genuine applicant in Nigeria,hence the "Vanish"clause. The Estonian Visa issued is for six months starting July, so before it expires the borders will be completely open. In all immigration laws, there are loopholes that can be used to your advantage.And that is what we are using for our clients on this program. The fact that you can marry an American for the sole purpose of getting a Green card is a loophole in the immigration system and the INS knows about it. When Pregnant women were rushing to Ireland to give birth, they were taking advantage of the fact that a child born in Ireland automatically entitles the mother to a permanent residence. That is a loophole in the immigration system. So if we have found a loophole in the E.You immigration policy, and choose to use it to the benefit of our clients, Bravo.
On your statement about english speaking countries, be informed that there are only two English speaking countries in Europe(UK & Ireland), so if you insinuate that those are the only countries ideal for Nigerians, then take a tour around Europe and see for yourself whether or not Nigerians have made success elsewhere.
Imani, your "boyfriend" (wikjustice) has just called me a scammer. Please tell him I really wouldn't want to join issues with him.
Please reread my post, i did say if people can pick up languages quickly, they should be fine. Of course i am aware of nigerians all over Europe. Nigerians are propabaly the most travelled people in the world. My problem with your first post is, it was not informative enough and you only started giving us a fuller picture when pressed. Maybe you should consider having a website that will be updated regularly and should also include successful applicants testimonials and pictures in Estonia to booster your credibility. Lastly, i am not aware i informed you that vicjutice is my "boyfriend". If you have issues with him, please kindly address him directly. thanks This is just a website, there is no need to get personal. People will not always aggree with you. Please take it easy. All the best in your ventures. I am all for young nigerians actually doing something themselves since the government won't.
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Imani (f)
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Apart from the ones they see on TV movies, many people in Estonia have never met any black person before, even in their capital city: a lot of people told me that i was the first black guy they've seen in person. There are just a countable number of Africans here, Isn't this remarkable?
Mr vicjustice, you have said your own. I am not anywhere close to Estonia but you are and you have made your point clear. I would have thought papabrowne would even ask you what the current situation is in Estonia as i don't know if he has been there himself. Maybe you should just leave it. After all they already have enough applicants before the deadline.
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globalaid (m)
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@vicjustice, you have really done well by your explanation and for exposing papabrowne, it is people like him that deceive nigeria and later dump them after collecting their hard earned money. All what he is saying is just a cock and bull story, he did not know that the people on nairaland are intelligent people, next time he will have his fact before coming to venture here. The first time i saw the post i know it is a scam because if you are sure of yourself why showing all the picture and trying to portary Estonia like a developed country, i can also put Lagos skycrapper also to deceive people, but the fact of the matter is that Lagos is not a developed place, it is some of him that give nigeria bad name outside. I am sure papabrowne or whatever he called himself is really confused and did not know what to write again.
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Vicjustice (m)
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When posting rubbish with your corrupt minds, doesn't it come to your senses that it's not only Nigerians that are reading these articles? I found out this site when i was just searching for some informations about the ill treatments of Nigerians in the hands of the foreign embassies in Nigeria, i was using search engines and here i found myself. You fools, you say all sorts of corrupt things about your activities and illegal intentions openly on these sites, and you're not wise enough to understand that the same way that i found this site, many foreigners and those who work with embassies are visiting this site too. But how would you achieve your desires or succeed in obtaining visa for your clients after exposing yourselves by revealing things like "i can arrange a bank statements", "you can vanish when you get there", "you can marry to have a green card", "my first passport was stamped and i got a new one", "my friend got visa with a fake bank statement", "my brother used my passport", "i sent money to do a new passport"etc? Mind you, the embassy staff are also browsing to check and learn more things about Nigeria. If you expose yourself here because you want to advertise your business, then, how would you succeed in the business except to defraud your clients?
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Rlst84sale (m)
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I don't know why people promise others or paint pictures green and rosy when in fact you you knew it's exactly the opposite. Explain to them in details what they are going to face when they get there and not just what you want them to hear. It is misleading and very wrong. Regardless of wherever you go in Europe, it is not like Niaja that you go to your neighbor and ask for money or help. Just as you tell people the good let them know the other side.
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mrpataki (m)
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@ Paperme? You don't even have a website yet you are a travel agent who has various companies  Do you take Nigerians to be idiots 
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PapaBrowne (m)
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Yeeeeah!! It worked. I'm loving this thread every post after. Thanks Imani and wikjustice for been my pawns. You have fallen victims of one of Robert Greene's 48 Laws of Power. "Draw your enemies closer and use them to further your goals". You have helped promote this program way beyond my expectations. The only problem is that we have limited spaces, if not you would have succeeded in making us ten times richer than expected. Don't you realise that anytime you post something on this thread, you place it at the forefront of the travel page, hence giving it much more exposure? The target audience (now our beloved clients) never goes down the thread to read all the lies and negativity you are painting about Estonia.They are only interested in the Topic. I wish you knew how you've been calculatedly drawn into this thread to help promote it. Thanks a whole lot.Its been a huge success. Once more, there is no place in the Topic with defrauding or misleading information. The website www.isu.ut.ee provides all the details. The info on the posting is the same as stated by the University. For your information, our clients are very intelligent people, as the first thing they do after reading the topic posting, is to research Estonia on their own. They love the country.They want to go. They love the program. They want to attend. So once more, Imani and wikjusticte( or gayjustice), thanks a lot.You've been great instruments in a marketing campaingn. I hope I don't have to pay royaltiesYou guys have a lot to learn from this book: http://www.amazon.com/48-Laws-Power-Robert-Greene/dp/0140280197@globalaid Sincerely, your English is too poor for me to respond to your post. @Mrpataki Mrpataki or whatever you call yourself, ( maybe you think you are the Governor of NewYork). Why would you assume that we don't have a website without asking for one?
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Imani (f)
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Yeeeeah!! It worked. I'm loving this thread every post after. Thanks Imani and wikjustice for been my pawns. You have fallen victims of one of Robert Greene's 48 Laws of Power. "Draw your enemies closer and use them to further your goals". You have helped promote this program way beyond my expectations. The only problem is that we have limited spaces, if not you would have succeeded in making us ten times richer than expected. Don't you realise that anytime you post something on this thread, you place it at the forefront of the travel page, hence giving it much more exposure? The target audience (now our beloved clients) never goes down the thread to read all the lies and negativity you are painting about Estonia.They are only interested in the Topic. I wish you knew how you've been calculatedly drawn into this thread to help promote it. Thanks a whole lot.Its been a huge success. Once more, there is no place in the Topic with defrauding or misleading information. The website www.isu.ut.ee provides all the details. The info on the posting is the same as stated by the University. For your information, our clients are very intelligent people, as the first thing they do after reading the topic posting, is to research Estonia on their own. They love the country.They want to go. They love the program. They want to attend. So once more, Imani and wikjusticte( or gayjustice), thanks a lot.You've been great instruments in a marketing campaingn. I hope I don't have to pay royaltiesYou guys have a lot to learn from this book: http://www.amazon.com/48-Laws-Power-Robert-Greene/dp/0140280197@Mrpataki Mrpataki or whatever you call yourself, ( maybe you think you are the Governor of Newyork). Why would you assume that we don't have a website without asking for one? Wow.  , what do u have here.  , you have started showing your true colours  . First of all, i do not recall in any of my posts in which i attacked you personally. I merely talked about the information presented. Now i am a 'pawn' for starting facts. You can continue with the name calling , great minds talk about issues, small minds talk about and attack people. Secondly, i have been on this forum for over a year and am aware that when you post a topic it goes to the top of the thread. You may think it is free publicity, but i am sure you also know it is also warning people. Thirdly, i am surprised i am now your 'enemy' just because i didnt accept every post you made. I have noticed you label people and resort to name calling when they are not towing your line, a case of trowing your toys out of the pram. Like you said, you already have enough people. If they are smart and intelligent like you claim, the truth will eventually surface. Anybody can start a business, but you need more than street wisdom to build something worthwhile. Like another thread started on this forum, most nigerians are criminally minded. And i wonder why  Maybe it will be for your good to know that there are border control personnels active on this forum. Of course some of them have to infilterate forums like this and may even seek your ' help' to help their cause. I am here to learn, help others and have fun, not fight anyone.
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PapaBrowne (m)
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Imani, Sincerely, I do not have a personal problem with you or anyone on this thread. I respected your posts all through. I don't see you as an enemy. I respect the fact that you try hard to protect the interests of Nairalanders from fraudsters. I posted this Topic genuinely, with no intentions to defraud or mislead anybody. Maybe the word "pawn" is too harsh a description, but I had 2 utilise that negativity for the benefit of the thread and you guys came in handy.
While there is no truth whatsoever, to the extreme negatives posted by some weird fellow, I have never seen anywhere where a company promotes a product or service by bringing out any scratches of the product.
I have watched for five years on CNN, the "Malaysia, Truly Asia" campaign that paints the country as paradise, yet if you drive a few miles out of Kaula Lumpur, you will see some poverty not too far from that of Africa. So how come no regulatory body has complained. It is marketing.
On the new post similar to this, I regret that anyone might want to spin off something similar. I fault you guys for giving it undue publicity.If you feel like the poster is insincere, ignore it , and it would fizzle out in minutes.
@Vicjustice While I really wouldn't want to join issues with you, I have never stated anywhere that we provide bank statements for anybody. The Topic program is closed, so I'm just enjoying myself here. You really don't have to take any post personal, it's just a webpage.And stop getting sick because of me please, it wouldn't do you any good.
Thanks once more, you were the best pawn in the marketing plan.
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Imani (f)
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Imani, Sincerely, I do not have a personal problem with you or anyone on this thread. I respected your posts all through. I don't see you as an enemy. I respect the fact that you try hard to protect the interests of Nairalanders from fraudsters. I posted this Topic genuinely, with no intentions to defraud or mislead anybody. Maybe the word "pawn" is too harsh a description, but I had 2 utilise that negativity for the benefit of the thread and you guys came in handy.
While there is no truth whatsoever, to the extreme negatives posted by some weird fellow, I have never seen anywhere where a company promotes a product or service by bringing out any scratches of the product.
I have watched for five years on CNN, the "Malaysia, Truly Asia" campaign that paints the country as paradise, yet if you drive a few miles out of Kaula Lumpur, you will see some poverty not too far from that of Africa. So how come no regulatory body has complained. It is marketing.
On the new post similar to this, I regret that anyone might want to spin off something similar. I fault you guys for giving it undue publicity.If you feel like the poster is insincere, ignore it , and it would fizzle out in minutes.
@Vicjustice While I really wouldn't want to join issues with you, I have never stated anywhere that we provide bank statements for anybody. Thanks once more, you were the best pawn in the marketing plan.
Papabrowne, it is ok. Like i said earlier, i am all for people with good business ideas. The society in which we live is hard. Unless you employ yourself, there is no job security anywhere.
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Rlst84sale (m)
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Any marketing strategy that lures customers into a disadvange position is false advertising. A marketing strategy should be ethical, direct or indirect but fair.
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omogenaija (f)
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what's your office address ?
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Vicjustice (m)
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Papabrowne, it's obvious the kind of character you are, every post of your's reveals your insincerity: there can't be any better liar. Shame on you!
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PapaBrowne (m)
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@Mr vicjustice. I would definitely not let you have the last word on this thread. Once more thanks. Your posts have really benefitted us. I hope I didn't offend you personally in anyway. The "gay" thing is just a tool I used to keep you pissed off.Don't take it personal.
So I hereby retire this thread.
Papabrowne has just signed out. Thanks people. You've been great.
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beavers007 (m)
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Vicjustice I think u re really making a nuisance of yourself.Your are no more making sense anywhere.
Papabrowne You rock!!!!! The Robert Green book is the bomb. Your marketing strategy worked. The post stayed on top all through. But please make sure you tell your clients every details of the Estonia that they should know.
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Armed-Lion (m)
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beavers007 imao, i suspect you're papabrowne himself undercover or, you are his associate in scam. if not, i can't see any reason for you to encourage a scam. papabrowne, i hope no one from this forum falls into his trap network. papabrowne, where is your office, address and tel number, please?
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mrpataki (m)
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@ Pamperme, Please don't start with me! I don't take shit here, and don't try to give me one either. You are a fraud and that is very easy to decipher. Take your pack of shit to somewhere else.
You didnt give your website to your numerous companies, no office address, no emails forget it! It does not work here!
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Vicjustice (m)
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Funnily, we already have more interested applicants than we can process. It has been more successful than anticipated.
Mr. Papabrowne, i thought you said you have more victims ("applicants") than expected, so, what are you going to do with this thread here? Well, it's obvious that you already abandoned it as it didn't produce your expected results. And if actually you got applicants by other means, we would appreciate if you scanned and paste at least one of the Estonian visas (that you obtained for your clients) to put us to shame. Would you let us see one of the many visas?
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PapaBrowne (m)
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Mr Vicjustice You don't want to leave me alone? What do you think? Should I erase the thread?Or should we leave it for the records? It was so much fun and success for me. You were quite informative but shallow. Anyways, I guess its obvious I won on all grounds.
But Mr Vicjustice, "Medicines Sans Frontiers" and you gat all this time to be on Nairaland? I don't know any doctor that has that much time.
Incase you are spoiling for a fight, I would be glad to crush you on some other thread.
Best Wishes man.
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Vicjustice (m)
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If you were here in person, i would have given you a warm hand shake, it was really interesting corresponding with you. Oh, i'm having a two weeks off, I wish to spend it in Nigeria, but the stress won't let me for now, i'll wait for my big holidays. I hold no grudges, man 
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sundayday
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where and how will a nigerian apply for estonia visa because their is no estonia embassy in nigeria,
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Vicjustice (m)
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If i'd not say anything negative in this thread, he wouldn't have had any probelm with me, but because i exposed the scam, he's taken part with his ancient foe hidding and attacking me from behind him. I'm glad that i'm not a scammer and i'll never try to deceive people to go to hell like Estonia with false claims in order to make money
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Mr. Pataki
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@ Vicjustice, I do not bloody care what your grouse is with on nairaland or for whatever stupid reasons you have decided to revive this this thread, but be rest assured that I will be your living hell on this forum. Get as many nairaland identities as you can, I am going to break your dull skulls and teach you some internet morals.  As Yoruba will say it: Omo ti won ba ko ni ile, wa ko ni ita. Meaning: A child that is not taught respect at home, will be taught outside. You are going to learn that some people are not your peers in addressing on this forum. You intellectually deficient bum.
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PapaBrowne (m)
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Hehe, Mr Vicjustice . . . . you revived this thread! Everybody knows who the scammer is now!! Estonia is now a Schengen country! Time is so beautiful, it vindicates the upright!
Still trying hard 2 rebuild your reputation, huh?? It's damaged already man! Nothing left of it. I feel 4 you sha. Posting in the health section doesn't make you a doctor. All your reputation in life was on Nairaland, now they've taken it away from you! Aaayyaaah!
I bet you, all you need do is start a thread apologising to Nairalanders for the Multiple IDs, the lies and the negativity filled hypocrisy, and they'll forgive you!They are nice people! I feel 4 you sha!
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Imani (f)
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Gosh, this old thread, Vicjustice why? Seriously, Vic, you have been found out. The best thing to do is just hold your hands up and admit your error. No one is error proof. Remember your "brother or is it cousin" i correspond with, who you claim lives in Canada? Can you be bold to mention his name? I brought that up because it looks like you have lost all credibility. Such a shame as you started as so well to expose scammers but you are turning to be one yourself. If we are all proved wrong, i am sure we will apologise for any misunderstanding, i will, at least speaking for myself. Armed Lion your "friend", what does he have to say about all this? 
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