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stranger12
Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« on: June 01, 2007, 11:58 AM »

THIS IS HOW IT WORKS

I will just like to point something out to fellow nairaland users

your family genes are traced in two ways through your father or brothers AND through your mother or sisters

if you are a guy, then here is the line
YOU - FATHER - PATERNAL GRAND FATHER - YOUR GANDPA's FATHER- YOUR GRAND PA's FATHER'S FATHER (as you will notice it is unidirectional your mums side becomes irrelevant because it is passed only from father to son.



if you are a girl,
YOU - MOTHER - MATERNAL GRAND MOTHER - YOUR GANDMA's MOTHER - YOUR GRAND MA's MOTHER'S MOTHER
again, your fathers lineage becomes irrelevant because this gene is passed from mother to daugther.


Bottom line, we might never know how mixed we really are. Generations are lost in the gene search.
(e.g Drusilla's white ancestors cannot be traced from her because her earliest known female ancestor is igbo. Her ancestors DNA might have been mapped from current habitants of igboland.)

However you want to look at it, Drusilla is my cousin, at least Eve made it so.
here is a scientific theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve
Cristally (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #1 on: June 01, 2007, 09:44 PM »

Ohhh, nice to have a BIG family now.

But what about the x-mas presents ?  Shocked

A bit expensive, huh?  Wink
nferyn (m)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #2 on: June 01, 2007, 10:37 PM »

Quote from: stranger12 on June 01, 2007, 11:58 AM
Bottom line, we might never know how mixed we really are.
You can find that out to a reasonable level of certainty, but the testing might become pretty expensive

Quote from: stranger12 on June 01, 2007, 11:58 AM
Generations are lost in the gene search.
(e.g Drusilla's white ancestors cannot be traced from her because her earliest known female ancestor is igbo.
Not true, they can also investigate for specific European genetic markers. The fact that the tests classified her as having Igbo ancestry only means that she has definitely Igbo forebears in her maternal ancestral line but nothing more

Quote from: stranger12 on June 01, 2007, 11:58 AM
Her ancestors DNA might have been mapped from current habitants of igboland.)
Some people in her maternal ancestral line have specific genetic markers that correlate with tested subjects in Igboland. This means that it is almost certain that has at least one Igbo ancestor.
Donzman (m)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #3 on: June 02, 2007, 08:36 AM »

Quote from: nferyn on June 01, 2007, 10:37 PM
Some people in her maternal ancestral line have specific genetic markers that correlate with tested subjects in Igboland. This means that it is almost certain that has at least one Igbo ancestor.

And I guarantee you that the same marker isn't unique to Igbos and can be found among all ethnic groups across South Eastern Nigeria. How then do these DNA clowns know she's Igbo?. . .Genetically, Igbos have several ancestors from several parts of the country, which Igbo group are they talking about exactly? The ones from Anioma, Anaedo, Umunri, Wawa?

The test is rubbish for anyone who knows a thing about African ethnicities, they need to come out with another way of swindling unassuming African Americans because this test makes no sense to me. I don't think there's anything in Igbos that isn't in Efiks, or something in people from Enugu that isn't in people from Southern Benue!
nferyn (m)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #4 on: June 02, 2007, 09:38 AM »

Quote from: Donzman on June 02, 2007, 08:36 AM
And I guarantee you that the same marker isn't unique to Igbos and can be found among all ethnic groups across South Eastern Nigeria. How then do these DNA clowns know she's Igbo?. . .Genetically, Igbos have several ancestors from several parts of the country, which Igbo group are they talking about exactly? The ones from Anioma, Anaedo, Umunri, Wawa?
It really depends on the size of their DNA database and the number of markers they test for. You're absolutely right that they cannot find a 100% match and I doubt that these commercial testers really do a rigorous test. It would probably be too expensive anyway.

Quote from: Donzman on June 02, 2007, 08:36 AM
The test is rubbish for anyone who knows a thing about African ethnicities, they need to come out with another way of swindling unassuming African Americans because this test makes no sense to me.
Technically it's feasible, but I looked up the site Drusilla linked to and it seems just like a scam to me. People without a proper understanding of genetics will read far too much into it

Quote from: Donzman on June 02, 2007, 08:36 AM
I don't think there's anything in Igbos that isn't in Efiks, or something in people from Enugu that isn't in people from Southern Benue!
Yes there are specific markers and they all have a relative spread in populations. If you test for sufficient markers and do a statistical analysis, you can come up with a reasonable estimate concerning ancestry. but it will only tell you whether or not you have an ancestor in a specific population. You can't find out the level of relatedness without introducing a lot of prior assumptions.
What I doubt is whether or not their genetic database really represents the populations they test for.
dafman (m)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #5 on: June 02, 2007, 12:28 PM »

Quote from: Donzman on June 02, 2007, 08:36 AM
And I guarantee you that the same marker isn't unique to Igbos and can be found among all ethnic groups across South Eastern Nigeria. How then do these DNA clowns know she's Igbo?. . .Genetically, Igbos have several ancestors from several parts of the country, which Igbo group are they talking about exactly? The ones from Anioma, Anaedo, Umunri, Wawa?

The test is rubbish for anyone who knows a thing about African ethnicities, they need to come out with another way of swindling unassuming African Americans because this test makes no sense to me. I don't think there's anything in Igbos that isn't in Efiks, or something in people from Enugu that isn't in people from Southern Benue!

Assuming these tests are real, for someone who doesn't know which part of Africa their ancestors originated from talkless of the particular country, knowing the region is enough consolation, so whether it is core igbo or Efik or whatever it don't matter. Southeastern Nigeria is more than enough
Drusilla (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #6 on: June 02, 2007, 02:32 PM »

30 countries
160 ethnic groups
11000 + paternal lines
13000 + maternal lines

This is what they say they have catalouged.


I actually took a snippet of the DNA alleles and markers and whatever these numbers are and tried to look them up on the web. Their there alright. Not being a scientist I could not tell what they mean but their indeed real.
nferyn (m)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #7 on: June 02, 2007, 03:00 PM »

Quote from: Drusilla on June 02, 2007, 02:32 PM
30 countries
160 ethnic groups
11000 + paternal lines
13000 + maternal lines

This is what they say they have catalouged.
No doubt they did. What you should ask yourself is whether or not their markers uniquely represent the ethnic origins they're saying to represent. Donzman's remark about the fact that they could also represent some other geographically close people is correct. It's very difficult to find any unique characteristics to a specific people epecially because  there is very little variability among humans to start with compared to most other mammals (e.g. two packs of lions that live a few hundred kilometers apart show more genetic variability than the whole of humanity combined). You can say that the probability that you descend from an Igbo maternal line is quite high, but you can never be 100% certain, unless they test for several markers and the reference database truly represent the genetic variability of the population it says to represent.

Quote from: Drusilla on June 02, 2007, 02:32 PM
I actually took a snippet of the DNA alleles and markers and whatever these numbers are and tried to look them up on the web. Their there alright. Not being a scientist I could not tell what they mean but their indeed real.
I'm happy for you that you've been able to trace your ancestry back, you only shouldn't read too much in the results, your genetic make up can also include several other peoples that they haven't catalogued yet or the variability that is not in the reference database.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #8 on: June 02, 2007, 03:51 PM »

Nferyn,

All I know is when I am visiting Nigeria, I do not have to eat with a fork. I can mash my greens and cornbread together and eat them with my fingers. Like I would at home when no company is around, just family.

I think this is true of me and all African people's. 

The tests -- personal cuteness but no relevance for what we as African people's around the world are going to do in this world.
ghettochyk (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #9 on: June 03, 2007, 11:47 PM »

Quote from: Donzman on June 02, 2007, 08:36 AM
And I guarantee you that the same marker isn't unique to Igbos and can be found among all ethnic groups across South Eastern Nigeria. How then do these DNA clowns know she's Igbo?. . .Genetically, Igbos have several ancestors from several parts of the country, which Igbo group are they talking about exactly? The ones from Anioma, Anaedo, Umunri, Wawa?

The test is rubbish for anyone who knows a thing about African ethnicities, they need to come out with another way of swindling unassuming African Americans because this test makes no sense to me. I don't think there's anything in Igbos that isn't in Efiks, or something in people from Enugu that isn't in people from Southern Benue!
nna men,,,,that is da same thing i'm wondering. is there a genetic difference b/w tribes?
i'm going to do some personal research online on that subject.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #10 on: June 04, 2007, 01:02 AM »

GhettoChick,

Report back here what you find. I am interested also. I am math illiterate and have no idea what these allelles and markers polymorphisms mean except what they say it means: I am a 100 percent match for Igbo in Nigeria today in my paternal DNA.
ghettochyk (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #11 on: June 04, 2007, 01:07 AM »

yeah, i've gone back and read Nferyn's post and think it also makes sense. i'D still have to research it when i get the chance. in the mean time, Drusilla, have you chosen your  Igbo name yet? Smiley
Drusilla (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #12 on: June 04, 2007, 01:26 AM »

GhettoChick,

Are you serious? You think I would or should choose an Igbo name?  I ain't never thought about doing that.
ghettochyk (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #13 on: June 04, 2007, 01:28 AM »

well, yeah, you could make it your nickname at least {well, i guess for at least the fun of it anyways}
Drusilla (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #14 on: June 04, 2007, 01:34 AM »

Then I want a really long one. Or is it only Yoruba's who do that? I would want a name that Igbo's immeadiately recognize as "lost Igbo". Maybe. I don't like the idea of representing myself as Igbo.

When I have absolutely no idea what it means. Maybe once I see and meet an Igbo in Nigeria, probably. I will then want to pick a new name.

I have already found free internet resources to learn the Igbo language. I downloaded them but I have not even glanced at them yet.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #15 on: June 04, 2007, 01:42 AM »

And what do I do, if it turns out that my maternal maternal line is Yoruba?  We still have not paid for the test of that line. Though my aunt has agreed to pay and will do so in the next few months.

I might end up being both.

Although it is widely doubted now.

We are starting to believe that the rarity of the 100 percent match for Igbo's of Nigeria Today.

Means it is going to turn out that the maternal line is Igbo also.
ghettochyk (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #16 on: June 04, 2007, 02:00 AM »

hmm, i don't know those olden day long names. i only know long last names. plus, i don't think we have "lost igbo" names. Huh maybe a "lost igbo" would have also lost his/her igbo names as well, so i guess keeping a non-igbo nmae and NOT having an Igbo name can make one have the name of a "lost igbo". imo.



Quote from: Drusilla on June 04, 2007, 01:42 AM
And what do I do, if it turns out that my maternal maternal line is Yoruba? We still have not paid for the test of that line. Though my aunt has agreed to pay and will do so in the next few months.

I might end up being both.

Although it is widely doubted now.

We are starting to believe that the rarity of the 100 percent match for Igbo's of Nigeria Today.

Means it is going to turn out that the maternal line is Igbo also.
well, if you end up being both, then you get to have any that you want i guess. i was wondering, do those tests "filter" out non-african genetic traces and go straight on to the african "genes" or dna to tell you your ancestry?

b.t.w., are those tests expensive?

Drusilla (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #17 on: June 04, 2007, 02:06 AM »

GhettoChick,

The tests my family took and will take again --only searches their database of paternal and maternal lines for African matches.

I believe but I did see on the website that whites can take the test also.

Yes, the tests are expensive. 349$ to be exact for one line. www.africananscestry.com

My sister had just recieved a huge lump sum and paid for the one test. My aunt has enough money to pay for her own test and has agreed to do so. Yet she is saying she is waiting for a few months.
ghettochyk (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #18 on: June 04, 2007, 02:12 AM »

wow! that IS expensive, and i was thinking in the lines of $30-$35  Embarrassed
Drusilla (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #19 on: June 04, 2007, 02:49 AM »

GhettoChick,

To many an African American it will seem like a lot of money to give away, just to find out that you are Black.

Which they already knew.

My sister is a Black Doll Maker and I know about Black history. She came to live with me and she began to do a lot of research about the history of Black People and not just our dolls. This led to her deep interest in our own Black history. She began collecting artifacts and census records and tracking us down. She could not get past the slave records because slave records were kept in such a sloppy fashion.

With most slaves being named simple names like Tom, Sue, Sally. With no last name listed. The children of the slaves were rarely listed by name.

So the only way over the slavery hump to find who your people were before slavery is a DNA test.

This is how we got here that my sister was willing to pay that type of money for a DNA test.

We only had 2 testable lines left. The others died out or led back to white people. Who we knew where they came from.

As you know, the first line has come out Igbo. We should know the other line before the year is out.

We are still all tripping at the first test. To actually have the test paper say that we are a 100 percent match for Igbo. Even African Ancestry says that our test results were very very rare.

Oprah Winfrey is only 84 percent match for the tribe they say she is from in Benin I think.

However, TD Jakes and Forrest Whitiker came out as matches for Igbo but not as muich as we did.

Something happenned that my grandma's Father had such pure Igbo blood preserved.

I was telling my family about reading  on Nairaland non-Igbo's complaining about Igbo girls and guys generally always choosing another Igbo from where their village is, when they settle down to have children.

We think Igbo's probably stuck close together as a group upon arrival in the US. Recognizing other Igbo's already on the plantations where sometimes thousands of different Africans worked together.
ghettochyk (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #20 on: June 04, 2007, 05:52 AM »

very interesting. this also shows that many slaves were probably Igbos too. so the "black or african" that you got from your dad's side is 100% Igbo. does that say that the "black or african" in his parents came from Igbos too?
Drusilla (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #21 on: June 04, 2007, 06:11 AM »

Quote from: ghettochyk on June 04, 2007, 05:52 AM
very interesting. this also shows that many slaves were probably Igbos too. so the "black or african" that you got from your dad's side is 100% Igbo. does that say that the "black or african" in his parents came from Igbos too?

It is my grandma (my dad's mother that raised me) that is descended from an Igbo man.

The other test will show what my grandma's mom was. We have always believed my grandma was Geechi. Geechi though is almost  an meaningless term. It just means that her mother was part of a group of Africans taken from Africa, after slavery had ended. These slaves were placed on an Island right off South Carolina, this is what they were given since nobody wanted to take them back to Africa.

Eventually they came to be called "Geechi's". Yet it has no meaning for telling what tribe the person is from because all those taken as slaves only to get to America and find slavery had ended so they did not need to be slaves -- could have been from all over, West Africa.

We can use the test though to find my grandma's mom's tribe.

My grandfather's line (my dad's dad) can not be tested for, because we can only find out the Black Line through a female. All the females are dead for that generation. The other line goes back to a whiteman (British)  and a Black Chaqtaw Indian woman. So it is of no use to us either for finding our Black Anscestors.
ghettochyk (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #22 on: June 04, 2007, 06:17 AM »

mehn, i see this test must be very complicated. i'm wondering, around what time was your grandma's mom taken from africa? (1900's?)i'm wondering because i'm trying to see if it could connect with what someone told me about the "after slavery" period.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #23 on: June 04, 2007, 06:34 AM »

Quote from: ghettochyk on June 04, 2007, 06:17 AM
mehn, i see this test must be very complicated. i'm wondering, around what time was your grandma's mom taken from africa? (1900's?)i'm wondering because i'm trying to see if it could connect with what someone told me about the "after slavery" period.

GhettoChick,

We don't know when she was taken from Africa. The Library of census records was burned to a crisp mostly for 1870. So those are the worst records you find until you get to the slave records before 1860. If you look up American census they explain about the library burning down, so records directly after the end of slavery are lost for a lot of Americans, not just African Americans.

Unless you can find records for your African relatives among the navy and army records of the civil war, or other wars, it's basically a blank.

1850 and 1860 Slave records -- sloppy and unuseful
1870 --- Records all burned up.

So we can not get back past those two factors when looking at census records.

And Geechi does not show up as an option since, it is an American Island and the person would just be listed as an Black American.
mrmayor (m)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #24 on: June 04, 2007, 03:27 PM »

This Genetic test is one test I just don't buy,I'm however not surprised that African Americans are buying into this DNA Tribe Test for obvious reasons.I'm from Rivers State where its 23 LGA's (counties) are inhabited by 28 different communities with different cultures and languages,how do you test for DNA markers when these ethnic groups intermarry.Is there a test to know who is Andoni,Igbani,Kalabari,Ikwerre,Ogoni,Tai,Ahoada,Ebgema,Ndoni etc.

@Donzman,

Bros, you are right,how does these genetic markers differentiate a country like Nigeria with about 250 ethnic groups?These genetic testing companies have found a niche in the market,that being African Americans in search of identity
babyosisi (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #25 on: June 04, 2007, 03:44 PM »

Quote from: mrmayor on June 04, 2007, 03:27 PM
This Genetic test is one test I just don't buy,I'm however not surprised that African Americans are buying into this DNA Tribe Test for obvious reasons.I'm from Rivers State where its 23 LGA's (counties) are inhabited by 28 different communities with different cultures and languages,how do you test for DNA markers when these ethnic groups intermarry.Is there a test to know who is Andoni,Igbani,Kalabari,Ikwerre,Ogoni,Tai,Ahoada,Ebgema,Ndoni etc.@Donzman,

Bros, you are right,how does these genetic markers differentiate a country like Nigeria with about 250 ethnic groups?These genetic testing companies have found a niche in the market,that being African Americans in search of identity

I think those Igboids ought to be forced to take the test let's settle things once and for all Grin
babyosisi (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #26 on: June 04, 2007, 03:45 PM »

drusilla,I have a fine Igbo name for you.

Nwakaego.

It means"A child is greater than money"
Drusilla (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #27 on: June 04, 2007, 04:31 PM »

Babyosisi,

Thank you. I like it. Smile.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #28 on: June 04, 2007, 04:41 PM »

Quote from: mrmayor on June 04, 2007, 03:27 PM
This Genetic test is one test I just don't buy,I'm however not surprised that African Americans are buying into this DNA Tribe Test for obvious reasons.I'm from Rivers State where its 23 LGA's (counties) are inhabited by 28 different communities with different cultures and languages,how do you test for DNA markers when these ethnic groups intermarry.Is there a test to know who is Andoni,Igbani,Kalabari,Ikwerre,Ogoni,Tai,Ahoada,Ebgema,Ndoni etc.

@Donzman,

Bros, you are right,how does these genetic markers differentiate a country like Nigeria with about 250 ethnic groups?These genetic testing companies have found a niche in the market,that being African Americans in search of identity

In the end your right. All that happenned was this. Igbo's in Nigeria were offered some medical tests that required drawing their blood. This blood may have been used for the medical test but it was also preserved and it's DNA analized.

All this test means is that on some part of modern Igbo's DNA and my family's DNA there is a perfect match. It was even astounding to African Ancestry. It is rare to get 100 percent.

From the way I understand it. DNA is like a history book. It never throws out the older history (this is where me and Igbo's match) it just leaves the old in place and builds a newer space for the new DNA (this is where me and Igbo's would diverge, possibly)

This is how the whole world knows that Africans are the oldest human beings in the world. Africans have extremely long lines of DNA.

I think I heard once that African DNA is 23 times longer than everybody else's. This is how it is known that Black people are a very, very old people.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #29 on: June 04, 2007, 04:53 PM »

Somehow and this is very exciting to us. My maternal grandfather was born to an Igbo man, who was born to an Igbo man, who was born to an Igbo man.

There are two possible scenario's for this outrageous result of 100 percent Igbo.

1. My Paternal Grandfather was also one of the Africans shipped here and not put in the general population but segregated on Geechi Island off of South Carolina.

2. Igbo slaves stuck together and intermarried each other only.

Number 1 seems more credible to me because of our Oral family tradition that my grandmother was Geechi. (Never enslaved just dropped off on the Island.)
nferyn (m)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #30 on: June 04, 2007, 09:58 PM »

Quote from: Drusilla on June 04, 2007, 04:41 PM
In the end your right. All that happenned was this. Igbo's in Nigeria were offered some medical tests that required drawing their blood. This blood may have been used for the medical test but it was also preserved and it's DNA analized.

All this test means is that on some part of modern Igbo's DNA and my family's DNA there is a perfect match. It was even astounding to African Ancestry. It is rare to get 100 percent.
What does a 100% match mean here? Is it that there is a 100% match on all the markers they use to identify the Igbo population? Even if that is the case, it does not automatically mean that you have a direct line to Igbo ancestry; it's far more complicated than that. Could you give some more info on the methods they use. Their website isn't very informative.

Quote from: Drusilla on June 04, 2007, 04:41 PM
From the way I understand it. DNA is like a history book. It never throws out the older history (this is where me and Igbo's match) it just leaves the old in place and builds a newer space for the new DNA (this is where me and Igbo's would diverge, possibly)
No, that's not how DNA works. There is no difference in the length of the crhomosomes between different peoples. There is no new DNA, there are only specific allelles (vatiations of genes) that are unique or frequent in some populations and by comparing a number of allelles on a number of places in the DNA, they can infer descendence, but it is still a probability calculation and very much dependent on:
1. the number of markers they tested in your sample DNA
2. the size of the reference database (indicating whether or not it represents the total variation in the reference population)
3. the number of markers they found a match for
Normally a 100% match should mean that you match the ideal reference type of the population 100%, but you could still descend from another people, only the specific individuals you descend from need to be genetically very similar to the reference group.
Maybe one of our geneticists on nairaland could explain this clearer than I can. My knowledge in these matters isn't so accurate that I can say the above is 100% correct.

Quote from: Drusilla on June 04, 2007, 04:41 PM
This is how the whole world knows that Africans are the oldest human beings in the world. Africans have extremely long lines of DNA.
1. All populations are equally old. Africans have the largest genetic variability because all the other people around the world descend from a smaller subset of people that left Africa.
2. African DNA is no longer or shorter than non-African DNA. there is only a much larger variation among Africans
3. That variation ensures that it is easier to test for ancestry among Africans and recent African descendants than among the other peoples in the world

Quote from: Drusilla on June 04, 2007, 04:41 PM
I think I heard once that African DNA is 23 times longer than everybody else's. This is how it is known that Black people are a very, very old people.
Either you heard wrongly or the person that said that didn't know what he or she was talking about.
naijaway (m)
Re: Got My Dna Results Today, I am . . .
« #31 on: June 04, 2007, 10:49 PM »

Nigerian government needs to make everyone in nigeria take that test but before that train our nurses and doctors to be the ones to draw the blood for the test because the some haters might take advantage and slip aids into the equipment; Just being cautious. But yeah, our government need to make everyone take that test beginning from niger delta, then to the rest of the country. But they also need to make it cheap tho.
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