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Imani (f)
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@Donzman,
Does it hurt so badly if some people don't want to be identified as Igbos?
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panalyst (m)
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you guys need to understand that the problem is not with who is Igbo, its more of which geo political zone the person comes from. Appointments this regime have not favoured the South East which is full bloded Igbo and thats where this apprehension comes from.
Its like saying in 1999 when OBJ was presented to rule Nigeria, PDP bypassed him and chose Saraki who is a yoruba man but not from the south west. Will all yorubas come up and claim he should represent them even though he is Yoruba? the answer is No because since he is not from the south west , he can not really be regarded as being their representative. I feel this is why there are a lot of protests
Personally i don't care where the IG comes from provided the person can take adress the ills of the nation especially armed robberer, Niger Delta and corruption in the army,
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debosky (m)
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Saraki regards himself as a northerner, that is a totally different case, his ethnicity isn't pure yoruba, it has fulani laced into it
Okiro on the other hand is Igbo, so that is a different case. there is no need for all this hue and cry, although we knew it would happen, someone had said some guys are just sitting down waiting for Yar'Adua to make appointments before they start counting the tribes and religions of the appointees to cause drama. let the IG get to work and stop all this drama about whether he is igbo or from SE or whatever.
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adconline (m)
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majamaja
@Can I ask all you people here saying River state is not IGBO. what is the difference between someone from OYO< ONDO AND OGUN STATE? they are all Yoruba people, what is the difference between people from KADUNA, KANO, AND SOKOTO ? They are all HAUSA'S. You guys from the SO CALLED IGBO SPEAKING AREA can't even unite or come together as one and yet you want Nigerians to entrust you with the right to police the nation? not until you guys come together as one and resolve all your tribal differences, we will always exclude you from vital post.
Must you always spit venom in order to attack or belittle Igbos from your KK supremacist ideologies.? Why do you always think that your kinsmen are more united that every other clan. You really need to grow up. I don’t know where you get this notion that the mere fact that your ‘‘kinsman’ is in power gives you a free pass to NEPA,NNPC and toll ways? Do you pay a different pump price from the rest of Nigerians? I also don't know why you arrogated yourself with the power of dishing political appointments by saying " we will exclude you from vital post'' You need to get of your euphoric thinking that Nigeria belongs to you whenever your kinsmen are in a position of authority. You also need to come to terms with the fact that power shifts in Nigeria. I don’t know if your kinsman is still in power?
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Donzman (m)
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@Donzman,
Does it hurt so badly if some people don't want to be identified as Igbos?
NO, You can deny being Igbo all you want but that does not stop the FACT that you're Igbo. People from my village didn't have to tell the British they were Igbo before they were classified as such. If you speak Igbo and do things like Igbos do, I'm sorry but you're Igbo. What exactly makes Egbemas/Ndonis are non-Igbos?. . .It's on you to prove the British and people who have done these surveys over the years are wrong. They speak the language, answer the name, organize their communities the same way, what else could they be?  So they were Igbos hundreds of years before 1970 and suddenly they stopped being Igbos? Stupid people abound! I mean look at Ishmael's reasoning, he already exposed his motives before the argument got started. Igbos want to claim oil, yeah like the people who it's currently on their lands are benefitting from it.
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Afam (m)
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Nobody needs to argue with anyone as regards the Igbo villages that were mischieviously given to Rivers state just to reduce the number of oil wells that may be located in the heart of Igbo land.
Just like the Ikwerres started attaching R to their names to sound different from who they really are with places like Umuodara, Umuibekwe, Umukurushi becoming Rumuodara, Rumuibekwe, Rumukurushi.
When you ask someone his name and he says Emeka Okeke and he speaks only Igbo what do you do when the same person is saying he is not Igbo? Identity crisis.
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McKren (m)
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It is amazing how people can deny their identity because of oil, inspite of all the manipulations by the hawks, Imo and Abia still has enough oil to be in Niger-Delta. Even Anambra has discovered an appreciable amount of oil arround Onitsha. Enugu still has coal to commercial/export quantity, my State Imo State provided an appreciable amount of the palm fruits which is part of the economic revolution seen in Malaysia today.
How about Human Resources, the Igbos are very industrious people, appreciating and harnessing their skills is the future of development of Small and Medium-Sized Enterprizes in our country. SMEs in any vibrant economy is the backbone of most industrialized Nation.
How about other regions, this country is so blessed. Once upon a time our Nations economy depended on cereals in the North and Enugu's coal was harnessed as export. The middle belt has provided this country Hydro-Energy for so long and are also blessed with fertile land for Agriculture. The North has Normadic farming and if our country is such a serious country could harness the prospects of Solar Energy from the North.
Now the World is going green, soon the use of Nuclear Energy on a larger scale may be inevitable. Nigeria has commercial deposits of Uranium (which is the fuel for Nuclear Technology). Nigeria's Uranium deposits are not in the South-South.
So I don't see why anybody in the South-South will hold a view that some tribes are begging them to being their brothers because of oil. That thought is so myopic and short-sighted in my view. On the whole Nigeria can only get anywhere by appreciating and respecting the importance of one another in our quest for Nation Building. A united Nigeria that is based on disrespect on a particular group of people no matter their tribe or religion will not succeed.
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laudate
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Rivers state is your state, so mess what?. . .They don't need to tell me they're Igbos, they've been Igbos since thy kingdom come, idiot.
Er. . . . aren't there Ijaws, Ogoni, Kalabari etc. in Rivers state too? Or are they Igbo, as well?
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Imani (f)
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NO, You can deny being Igbo all you want but that does not stop the FACT that you're Igbo. People from my village didn't have to tell the British they were Igbo before they were classified as such. If you speak Igbo and do things like Igbos do, I'm sorry but you're Igbo. What exactly makes Egbemas/Ndonis are non-Igbos?. . .It's on you to prove the British and people who have done these surveys over the years are wrong. They speak the language, answer the name, organize their communities the same way, what else could they be?  So they were Igbos hundreds of years before 1970 and suddenly they stopped being Igbos? Stupid people abound! I mean look at Ishmael's reasoning, he already exposed his motives before the argument got started. Igbos want to claim oil, yeah like the people who it's currently on their lands are benefitting from it. I don't recall claiming to be Igbo 
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ishmael (m)
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Er. . . . aren't there Ijaws, Ogoni, Kalabari etc. in Rivers state too? Or are they Igbo, as well?
you dey mind that Obori?? Very soon they will say Ijaw, Ogoni and kalabari people are igbos too. Na oil dey cause all this.
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mohadana
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don,t mind the greedy people.
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docokwy (m)
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Er. . . . aren't there Ijaws, Ogoni, Kalabari etc. in Rivers state too? Or are they Igbo, as well? [/quot
? I see that you are a perenial clown. Who says everyone in Rivers are Igbo?
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docokwy (m)
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don,t mind the greedy people.
You mean your greedy brothers like Ehindero and Tafa amongst others?
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McKren (m)
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Leave Niger Delta, Britons urged Nigerian militants have been responsible for kidnappings Britons have been advised by the UK government to leave three states in Nigeria's oil-producing Niger Delta. In updates to travel advice on the Foreign Office website, citizens were warned that Bayelsa, Delta and Rivers States are unsafe.
The site states this is because of the very high risk of kidnapping, armed robbery and other armed attacks.
A Briton was one of four foreign oil workers kidnapped in Port Harcourt, capital of Rivers State, last week.
Since January last year, 31 British nationals and more than 180 foreigners have been kidnapped in the area. One Briton has been killed.
I think the oil companies have to look seriously at whether or not they can continue to work there
Labour MP Frank Doran
In its travel advice, the Foreign Office says British nationals who do stay in the region do so at their own risk.
It states this is because "of the very high risk of kidnapping, armed robbery and other armed attacks in these areas".
It also advises those who do stay in the three states that they are doing so "at their own risk" and says they should take professional security advice.
Coastal attacks
Most foreigners who go to the area, such as oil workers, already travel there with armed police escorts.
Recent attacks in the area have led to a 25% cut in Nigeria's oil production.
Those on ships and oil rigs off the coast of the Delta should also be aware of the "high risk of kidnappings and other armed attacks", the Foreign Office said.
Aberdeen North Labour MP Frank Doran, who has campaigned for tougher travel advice for oil workers travelling to the region, said the situation had become "very, very serious".
The UK government, the Nigerian government and private security firms could not guarantee the safety of Britons, he said.
He added: "I think the oil companies have to look seriously at whether or not they can continue to work there."
Oil company Royal Dutch Shell said it would support the relocation of its expatriate staff based in the Niger Delta who wished to leave.
In a statement it said: "The safety of our staff is our primary concern and we continually review our security measures and take a precautionary approach."
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Donzman (m)
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@Laudate I was talking about Igbos in Rivers State, why would I classify any other ethnic group as Igbo? . . .For those screaming oil, what exactly has the oil brought to your community minus environmental disaster? Why would I want such a thing? I'll rather my community be made up of hardworking, intelligent people rather than oil. Ijaws are not exactly the richest Nigerians inspite of the oil on their land, so why exactly will I want to '"claim" people as Igbo just because they have oil?. . .I say Egbemas/Ndonis are Igbos because that is what they are, Igbos! I say Asaba/Umunede/Agbor/all of Anioma are Igbos because that is what they are, I do not need anybody's oil to succeed. Igbos already had the tag of "Jews of Africa" before oil was found anywhere!. . .I remember travelling from Onitsha for Benin every 2 months going to school, I stop at Asaba, Umunede and Agbor, the people speak Igbo just like I do and we interact as brothers/sisters. Suddenly I come on here and some people want me to believe they're not Igbos? I don't recall claiming to be Igbo  Neither do I recall my village people telling the British explorers they were Igbo. If you speak Igbo and do like the Igbos do in your community, you're Igbo and you do not need to confirm that for anyone. Where exactly in Rivers are you from?. . .If you're not from an Igbo speaking community, I'm sorry you're not Igbo, look for some other person to harass.
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Imani (f)
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Neither do I recall my village people telling the British explorers they were Igbo. If you speak Igbo and do like the Igbos do in your community, you're Igbo and you do not need to confirm that for anyone.
Where exactly in Rivers are you from?. . .If you're not from an Igbo speaking community, I'm sorry you're not Igbo, look for some other person to harass.
Harrass?  You are the one harassing people that don't agree with your point of view on this site that even other Igbos like yourselves are beginning to react.
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Donzman (m)
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@Imani
You need to get a good life and quit with the one-liners, you're not smart enough to go past one line in your responses?. . .You were harassing me for calling you Igbo and I asked you where you're from, you refuse to answer, so get a life!
You keep harassing me for calling you Igbo and I'm telling you this, if you're from an Igbo speaking community, you're Igbo. If you're not, then you're whatever you are and Donzman does not care!
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Imani (f)
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@Imani
You need to get a good life and quit with the one-liners, you're not smart enough to go past one line in your responses?. . .You were harassing me for calling you Igbo and I asked you where you're from, you refuse to answer, so get a life!
You keep harassing me for calling you Igbo and I'm telling you this, if you're from an Igbo speaking community, you're Igbo. If you're not, then you're whatever you are and Donzman does not care!
Quite sad that you resort to insulting people who you don't agree with. Unlike you, i will not descend to your level. Considering the age you posted, i am rather surprised, thought you would know better. Do you honestly think it is the amount of words that a person speaks that determines smartness or cause changes to take place? With all the debates that have raged on in Nigeria by various groups and fractions, where has that gotten us as a nation?  No wonder we are a nation of talkers and not doers. I don't know who you think you are but trust me, there are lots of smart people on this forum that don't go around bragging. Like i started in my earlier post, what is so bad about those people who don't want to be identified as Igbo? Ethnicity is just a dimension of who we are and does not define us in totality, at least that is how i see it. You don't have to agree. I am a Nigerian and proud to be one but it is tiring hearing all this tribalistic nonsense floating around. No wonder we are so self-destruct as a nation. I see myself as a Nigerian first, then my religion second, and ethnicity last.
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Imani (f)
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@Donzman,
I am on this forum to learn and have fun and not "fight" with anyone.
Biko, I don't want to be on the list of your usual targets. Life is too short to be wasted on trival and unnecessary issues. Besides, this is just a forum and i try not to be too sentimental in my posts
Therefore i am extending an olive branch. Of course, the ball is in your court.
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Donzman (m)
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See, the 1 time you manage to write, you cannot even focus enough to answer the question. You asked me when you told me you were Igbo?. . .I'm asking you, what ethnic group are you and what exactly is it that makes you non-Igbo?. . .How do you manage not to fit into the ethnic classification of Igbo, based on what? You're Nigerian, so am I! Atleast you are able to agree that ethnicity is a dimension of who we are. Infact, I couldn't care less if a human being identifies himself as whatever but what you identify yourself as is not always what you are. We have people who think they're demi-gods, doesn't mean they are. We have people who say they're not Igbo, does not mean they're not. Being Igbo is not really a matter of personal choice, it's not like being a christian or muslim, it is an external tag, if you speak the language in your community, you fall into the category, like it or not. Lol someone is scared of Donzman, haha! 
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Imani (f)
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See, the 1 time you manage to write, you cannot even focus enough to answer the question.You asked me when you told me you were Igbo?. . .I'm asking you, what ethnic group are you and what exactly is it that makes you non-Igbo?. . .How do you manage not to fit into the ethnic classification of Igbo, based on what? You're Nigerian, so am I! Atleast you are able to agree that ethnicity is a dimension of who we are. Infact, I couldn't care less if a human being identifies himself as whatever but what you identify yourself as is not always what you are. We have people who think they're demi-gods, doesn't mean they are. We have people who say they're not Igbo, does not mean they're not. Being Igbo is not really a matter of personal choice, it's not like being a christian or muslim, it is an external tag, if you speak the language in your community, you fall into the category, like it or not. Lol someone is scared of Donzman, haha!  Sorry, i choose not to be drawn into certain political, cultural or religious debate. And as you think you are the smartest person around, i am sure you would understand. I also choose not to disclose my ethnicity. Ethnicity is not as important to me as it is to you.
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McKren (m)
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@Imani
Let me gossip a little, heard President Yaradua's daughter is in your school. Is that true?
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Imani (f)
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Lol someone is scared of Donzman, haha!  Should i be peeing in my pants  over your online bullying?  Borrowing your earlier words "get a life" 
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Imani (f)
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@Imani
Let me gossip a little, heard President Yaradua's daughter is in your school. Is that true?
Which school is that? 
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Donzman (m)
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@Imani For the record, I do not think I'm the smartest person around but I do think there are lots of dumb people in town.  I also choose not to disclose my ethnicity. Ethnicity is not as important to me as it is to you. Oh my ethnicity is really important to me so I will not sit around and let people who know nothing like Ishmael insult it. If I do not defend my ethnicity, folks like Laudate definitely will not. What's the reason behind the stupid talk that there are no Igbos in Rivers and Delta states?. . .That is blatant falsehood and it's such falsehoods that Donzman does not like. Some people claim it's because of oil, really?. . .Folks in Northern Nigeria who do not have oil enjoy your oil revenue more than you do plus they do not have to deal with environmental damage. You really think any sensible person wants oil on their lands with the current arrangement?  Watch "Blood Diamond" and listen to what the old man says, paraphrasing: It's just diamonds and look at what is happening, I'm hoping they do not find oil here. Same thing I hope for South East Nigeria, let the people depend on industry to succeed, oil will run out someday anyway!
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I-man (m)
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The perception that Igbos,or indeed any other ethnic group, envy the people of the Niger-Delta for their oil, is utterly fatuous.No sane person looks at the oil-rich regions and says,"I wish this oil exploration was going on in my community".
To believe otherwise,is a sad case of rectalcranial inversion.Sadly,many are suffering this inversion
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Donzman (m)
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lol @ rectocranial inversion, who knows what may lead to such a condition?
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McKren (m)
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University of BATH
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naijaking1
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@all Guys, we're talking about Okiro? How did we end up with all this oil, tribalistic, and personal stuff.
Selecting a good police chief is like selecting an able physician, lawyer or accountant to handle your case. If we throw merit out of the window like we always do in naija, the result will be the corruption and insecurity that has befallen us since OBJ came on board with his corrupt IGs.
The recent discovery of 200 million naira in cash meant for Ehindero is just another indication that the office of IGP should transcend tribalism.
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Besteric (m)
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Chei,, na wa oooo, here in germany we have the Franks,, the Swaabs, the Prussians, and the Bavarians, they are all Germans but have different dialects, they also never claim to be half german or delta and Rivers german because they have different dialects, Blacks are really Sub Humans like the white man claims,, i can now ascertain that fact. Okiro is Igbo,, Egbema his town was divided into 2,, half remained in Imo while de other was shifted to Rivers state, if the Imo half are Igbos, why not the Rivers half?? I tire for Blacks and nigerians in particular, John from Ogwashi Ukwu s ma roommate, we don't speak english but igbo at home,, and hes from Delta state,
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Imani (f)
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@Imani
Let me gossip a little, heard President Yaradua's daughter is in your school. Is that true?
I am not aware of such information. Though while i was at Manchester, there were lots of big men's children around 
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laudate
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Oh my ethnicity is really important to me so I will not sit around and let people who know nothing like Ishmael insult it. If I do not defend my ethnicity, folks like Laudate definitely will not. Na wetin concern me with your ethnicity??!! Abi, them send you? 
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