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denex
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It doesn't matter who gets credit for stable power supply in Nigeria.
In fact, it is the question of credit that baffles me about OBJ. How the man could increase fuel prices and take the blame for it instead of letting the Yar'Adua government take the discredit. The building the foundation for stable electricity in Nigeria and letting the Yar'Adua government take the credit for it.
It is either the man is crazy or he's a true soldier, a national hero. I couldn't see myself sacrificing my integrity like that.
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dayokanu (m)
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He met electricity in a terrible state and left us with no light at all and all he did was to build power stations in 8 years Please how many years did it take to build the International Space Station? If power stations take 8 years then ISS should take a century. If you do not deregulate the industry, private refineries cannot operate profitably.If fuel price is cheaper than production price, no investor will want to operate a refinery.And Nigeria needs private refineries.Hence, raising of fuel prices is a neccesary evil In deregulation does govt fix prices then why must he increase prices 2 days to handover? Yar'Adua doesn't know how to think abi that OBJ had to think for him and increase prices on Yar'Adua's behalf. Now 2 weeks into Yar'Adua's govt the country is going prostrate due to fuel shortage and Labour is threatening to close down the country.Can't imagine what evil goes on in OBJ's mind. Do you know the effect of the banking consolidation?
Do you know the effect of the pension fund administration?
Do you know the effect of Local content? How does this bring electricity,security fuel and other basic needs of life. Salaries have increased tremendously.Nigerians abroad are rushing home in droves.A large middle class is emerging fast.The list is endless.
Wake up man Can you compare this numerically to the numbers that want to get out of the country to any place outside Nigeria even Armenia, Latvia etc go to these embassies and see the army of youth coming in and compare this to those coming into the country to get jobs. Instead the focusless man would blame sabotage. Can you tell me of a country in the world that don't have saboteurs? If sabotage is the excuse then he has no biz being a president. In America we have saboteurs in Europe we have saboteurs how come these economies work? |
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dayokanu (m)
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Word's of Asari Dokubo
“Obasanjo received more money than all the governments and regimes before him. From 1956 when we had self- government to 1999, the money he received in eight years was more than all the governments we had in place. So let’s compare development between 1956 and 1999, and 1999 to 2007, what do we have?"
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The One (m)
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1.Stability of the Nation,
2.Debt payment, Nigeria domestic and foreign debt paid up, over $60 billion
3.First civilian to civilian transition
4.Deregulation of communication sector,You can now call your mother in the village.
5.Improved grains, cassava and other agricultural products (Kwara as an example)
6.Blocked importation of eggs, chicken, matches, tooth pick etc, things Nigeria can produce
7.Professionalized the Nigerian Military
8.Fought corruption through EFCC
9. Blocked thieves like IBB, Atiku from taking over government even though undemocratically
10. Nigeria SAT 1 and SAT 2 is on the way, you can now used google earth in Nigeria.
11. Consolidated our banks, no more distressed banks! (Every rich family had a bank to itself, that has ended now)!
12. Raised our external reserve to billions of dollars
13. Made Naira stable since 1999
14. Handed over power at expiration of his term peacefully
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obasanjo2 (m)
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Hmn, Naijaguy I kind of understand you. Leaders like Roosevelt and Ghandhi are very rare in these parts. Apart from the great Nelson Mandela, name ONE African leader, serving or former who is in their league.  Sad innit? For OBJ, whichever way you look at things, history will be kind to him, even with his shortcomings. He's the HATE ME NOW kind of person who does what he does with a passion, no matter whose ox is gored. Needless to list his achievements (they are numerous) because Papabrowne and The One have tried in that regard. He failed in education, politics, carriage and also woke up late as regards power (light). But to be objective, of all the Presidents we've had, I can't name two who performed better than OBJ. Prove me wrong, but be objective please! The largely villified 'devil' that he is (even by educated illiterates), he should have done better but history will still be kind to OBJ. forget 3rd term, OBJ handed over power twice, in Africa! Now, maybe our first graduate President will go three steps further to build on OBJ's achievements and smoothen the rough edges. Maybe! |
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denex
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The people wey dey complain say Nigeria bad, make them quick jand O! No more space in Lagos. I dey Magodo G.R.A, traffic bottleneck at the gate, I move TO Lekki, total standstill on the Lekki expressway.
Abeg, those of you that cannot stand the situation make una commot! Go Cotonou, go Yankee, I don't care. Just get out and let's have living space.
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sleekdot (m)
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@ The one,
You forgot one of the major achievement of Olusegun Frankenstein Obasanjo notably Odi town
Also OBJ left the educational syatem worse than he met it ASUU strike every time till now Varsity students are at home Well How can he ever value university education when he never attended one couldnt pass JAMB
A president failed in Education, failed in Power Supply, Failed in security provision and he is still the best we have had.hear yourself. without education we have no future as a country, without power no industry can function well. without security we are all better dead. We have had Buhari and we have had Muritala though their regimes were very short but Nigerian knew they were the face of change.
@ Denex we love our country and we can't live it for the likes of Frankestein Obasanjo we would speak out until our country is liberated.
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obasanjo2 (m)
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@denex I was surprised  when OBJ increased VAT and fuel price days before leaving office. Yea, VAT is higher in most other West African countries and due to mismanagement of our refineries over the last 15yrs or so, price of imported fuel is on the high side. But he could have left that for Yar'Adua but that would have caused a serious dent for the new presido. OBJ shouldered the blame! He's taking the bashing a la Jesus Christ (he's kind of immune to that!). Come to think of it, the money that accrues from these increases wont go to his pocket. That man issomething else! [sub][/sub]ebora Owu! |
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sleekdot (m)
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@ The one,
You forgot one of the major achievement of Olusegun Frankenstein Obasanjo notably Odi town
Also OBJ left the educational syatem worse than he met it ASUU strike every time till now Varsity students are at home Well How can he ever value university education when he never attended one couldnt pass JAMB
@ Obasanjo2
A president failed in Education, failed in Power Supply, Failed in security provision and he is still the best we have had.hear yourself. without education we have no future as a country, without power no industry can function well. without security we are all better dead. We have had Buhari and we have had Muritala though their regimes were very short but Nigerian knew they were the face of change
@ Denex we love our country and we can't leave it for the likes of Frankestein Obasanjo we would speak out until our country is liberated
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denex
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There is no reason for you to compare a democratic or even pseudo-democratic government on any level. During Buhari's regime, grand parents were knelt down and flogged in public for jaywalking. Even if I was an indigene of the French Riviera, with that kind of government, I would migrate to Mali.
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shaddyfr (f)
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OBJ leave sorrwo,tears,blood,over priced fuel d I'm bed partner to run d country according to fela,
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shaddyfr (f)
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OBJ leave sorrow,tears,blood,over priced fuel d I'm bed partner to run d country according to fela,
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kayodus (m)
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Obasanjo's legacy? i'll tell u 1 N75 fuel increase 2 10% VAT increase 3 Complete collapse in the Educational Sector 4 Hightened unrest amongst several unions in the country 5 Economical instablity 6 High inflation rates 7 Further depletion of the naira against others currencies despite world record overseas trips 8 Pain in the heart of his employees, most notably Okonjo-Iweala (the woman who single-handedly cleared the debt of this country) These are just a few. i'm soo disappointed in Obasanjo that i believe he is one President Nigeria should never have had. People say well he has done this and that. yeah, agreed. The question is "How much has those things he did helped the common man?" If half of the money he invested into launching a rocket to space was invested in education, perhaps the system would not have been as decayed as this. The country after Obasanjo has taken a down turn and i believe it takes a man who is ready to listen to the cry of the nigerian people to change situations. After 8 years! of rule, Obasanjo is summarily a disgrace and an underachiever.  |
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spaceworld
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He brought GSM to Nigeria. (for the rich or the masses?) it is a failed project
He cleaned up the banking sector ( Well good but for make many people jobless and not alternative provision to secure job for affected bank)
Nigeria's own satellite was launched during his term ( for European contries)
He formed the National Pension Commission - Pecom ( over 120B yet to be paid to pension administrator)
He formed the EFCC ( to harass opposition political opponents and those that did not follow is commandment)
He had more women in top positions than any other head of state ( Yes oooooooooo, He sabi that one well well and that is why he is a failure)
He cleaned up Abuja and largely restored it to its original master plan (Because he no get property for Abuja, prior to 1999 he is a poor man so if he have one along the real master " IT WILL BE OBJECTION OVERRULE"
He formed the Niger Delta Development Commission - NDDC ( Any vivid project done since establishment? only blocks of primary school and buses fro transport despite HUGE amount going in there what tell me what reasonable project being done
Thirteen percent (13%) derivation for oil producing states ( The governors siphoned the money what else?)
Establishment of much more private universities in Nigeria ( For the riches not for the poor and the masses, if not for Awolowo free education and colonial master education programme he would hadbeen a farmer for ever)
Allowing the inclusion of private firms in power generation (No na lie, Tinubu brought in the ideal the federal might use there selfish intrest to forestall the project with their mumu ideals, not good comes out because of bad belle, shiooo!!
We were owing over $30 billion in 1999, now we owe around $5 billion (paid our foreign debt) ( Ask him what was is own cut and whose plan was that After dancing to the tune of World bank, ADB, and other one like that i have forgetten it sha, Their aim is to make Nigerian more poorer, and more koboless, he implemented the nasty programme for the masses B/4 debt was forgiven, still suffering still continue and hardship is bitting harder do u feel impact of debt relief in our daily live)
He met $3 billion in reserves in 1999 and left over $40 billion in reserves in 2007.( OK this is good, but we needed money for infrastructure and good standard of living, we need electricity, we need food, we need water, we need roads infact we need everything, and we give oyinbo money to develop their developed country, why external reserve why not internal reserve, is it a crime for Oyinbos to come here and deposit them own money too so we can use it to trade and develop our nation we need not to keep much money now, we have to see to our problem
He didn't obey court orders - withholding Lagos LG funds against court orders ( That shows how hearless he his to the poor masses of Lagos state, Time will tell and history will judge him right, for those that have die for his nasty deeds
He neglected Lagos ( He will soon die and God will judge him too,
Abuse of power - spending funds that have not been appropriated by the National Assembly( Even buys cars for his girlfriends)
Greatest Airplane crashes in Nigeria's history during his tenure ( That tell us how bad the fakes and yeye ministers he dey parade was, so bad may their souls rest in peace)
Excessive Petrol Price Hikes (Haaaaaa this one? so that when Dangote and the rest that front for him, will sell for us at international rate despites our aboundant resources, we still dey suffers for what we have in abundance, does this makes any meaning? so God will deliver us)
He played a big role in the Anambra/Ngige scandal (Him himself no be scam man? where is Anambra today, that show how bad he is as a leader)
Lots of politically motivated killings remain unresolved - Bola Ige, Funsho Williams( i do not want to comment on this because i know God is there to catch up on him, God's know best)
He was selective in his fight against corruption - he went after Tafa Balogun, Adolphus Wabara, but has left Tony Anenih, Sule Lamido untouched. ( He is the CEO of the looters, checks him well)
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obasanjo2 (m)
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@ sleekdot I tot u read my posts. I never said OBJ is a saint. Didnt u see words like 'his shortcomings', 'he should have done better' etc? And where's objecitivity in your postulations? If you follow Nigerian history well, you'll remember that OBJ was a big part of the Murtala Muhammed administration. And please don't mention Buhari because he's a religious bigot! He killed journalists via retrospective decrees and told our Hausa bros and sis not to vote for a Christian president! Imagine that! I expect you to know better. So that leaves us with only Murtala's govt which, as I earlier pointed out, had OLUSEGUN OBASANJO as a very prominent cabinet member. So in essence, am saying OBJ COULD & SHOULD have done better in a lotta areas but for our standards, he still stands heads & shoulder above most of his predecessors. QED! And for those who blame OBASANJO for everything, including their inability to perform in bed,  what more do I say? I get busy! |
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naijaking1
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@denex, and all
Yes, it was surprising for OBJ to increase VAT and take other politically unpopular steps. I agree that was very ultrustic or stupid of him. Once again, time will tell.
We can blame saboteurs, the evil spirit, sango, or chukwu for the power outages, but the reality was that he never started complaining until the waning days of his administration.
Personally, I hope history will judge OBJ fairly(I did not say positively, b/c I don't know), but the man himself seemed to have started worrying about his own legacy 5-7 days to the end of his term.
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naijaking1
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@OBJ 2
I share some optimism about OBJ's legacy with you, but comparing Buhari, Abacha, Shonekan, or even Gowon with him is not fair.
For one the circumstances, the tenure, and periods are totally different.
As tempting as it may be, let's not forget that OBJ is the only one God blessed to rule naija x2.
Subsequently, we have a higher expectation of him.
If one did not do well on an exam the first time, and he is lucky to get a second chance on the same exam, it is not unreasonable to elevate the bar for him.
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sleekdot (m)
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And please don't mention Buhari because he's a religious bigot! He killed journalists via retrospective decrees Can you recount what happened to Mrs Funmilayo Kuti and the unknown soldier scandal. You can't compare a military and a civilian govt a military govt was not elected so is not accountable to anybody. Was it not during OBJ military regime that he promulgated decrees to kill coup plotters and even ordered the killing of Mrs Kuti because Fela criticised him. As a civilian he can't do it blatantly so he devised covert means like (Harry Marshall, Bola-Ige, Dikibo e.t.c) If you follow Nigerian history well, you'll remember that OBJ was a big part of the Murtala Muhammed administration. Muritala's regime different because how many people associate Diya with the misdeeds of Abacha regime?, How many of you associate Aikhomu with the misdeeds of IBB?, or how many people credit ATiku for some of the percieved OBJ's good works? A deputy is a dormant post particularly OBJ was very dormant during Murtala's regime Some deputies are active like Idiagbon but not OBJ so when OBJ was given his own tenure after the murder of Murtala how many people remember what he did? but they still remember Murtala before him and Buhari/Idiagbon after him. Buhari was known for bringing discipline though in the military way
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naijaking1
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All the politically motivated killings during OBJ's rule is another big negative for him.
Developed countries like US, France, and UK will literaly go to war if their attorney general is harassed.
Our own AG, the chief law enforcement officer was murdered and nobody seems to know by whom- under OBJ. Chilling!
If the trend is unchecked, the next step will be murder of the vice president by "armed robbers" for disagreeing with the president.
History tells us the advantage of a persistent opposition voice in any democracy, unfortunately OBJ did not seem to appreciate these advantages.
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gr8t (m)
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If at the age of 47yrs Nigeria cannot celebrate one Legend that has come then the peoples mind is still very doom. Thanks to the guys who have pointed but the good and the bad of the man.
It is important to note that you cannot change a nation beyound the level of their thinking! Even a Jesus Christ has come to rule in Nigeria from 1999-2007, I don't think people who have believed He is a legend until after 2000 years.
The best way we can become something is by celebrating the little that God gave us. He gave man who I think worked and ways busy trying to bring about a new nation who's major floor was inability to overcome the power problem, yet he initiated a move toward that.
If we celebrate him as a Legend especially for leaving when he is support to forgetting is mistakes.
The man is a Legend.
Two times, he was involved in power change and he at both time exchange power even though at both occasion the processes where far from perfect. But, even here in the Western World it is never perfect.
If all you have listed above is true. The man should be celebrated.
All I ask is that leaders look at his positives and negative and learn lessons not to make same mistakes but improve on his legacies and move the country further farward from where Obasanjo stop.
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3d_hunter (m)
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legacy of pain
at least he tried
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denex
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Personally, I think Obasanjo did very well. As for the problem of power, I will use the words of George Bush: It Is A Success That Is Yet To Happen. lol.
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fibre
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why should obasanjo be credited with bank consolidation or GSM boom! obj is was just an arrogant he goat in power gallivanting around the world trying to get noticed in all the wrong ways.
consolidation was Soludo's brain child.
Gsm they collected millions of dollars for licence, no incentives to these companies to aid them, not even common electricity. the base stations run on diesel, which by the way is 95 nairal per litre! it rose by 30 naira in 3 months!
launched space satelite: when 50% of the nation is in darkness, in this age and time its a shame! why we no first launch the first indeginious nigerian calculator or wristwatch. the chinese peeps that launched it are probably conducting personal researches with our funds. millions wasted, and he increased vat and fuel price.
Coja , chogm, money wasted and laundered! he was always trying to impress the international scene. If our country was developed we wouldnt have to host chogm to attract the queen!
National id card, national census, election registering: a smart government would have integrated all these exercises into one coincised database of Nigerians, yet each exerscise was a sham, poorly organised. worst election ever {advent of pre-rigging}
obasanjo was just a waste
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babasin (m)
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OBJ is history. Legacy, how not to bring ex-prison to power in Nigeria |
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babasin (m)
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OBJ is history. Legacy, how not to bring ex-prison to power in Nigeria |
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naijaking1
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OBJ deserves credit for GSM and banking reforms.
Those are examples of what could happen when a ruler appoints cedible and qualified people into strategic offices.
He did not have a Ph.D in banking, but he was smart enough to appoint a Ph.D to run his central bank.
He did not need a GSM engineering degree to appreciate that it's liberlization would solve naija NITEL problems.
So why did he not see the need to liberlize power supply?
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obasanjo2 (m)
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@ sleekdot I still believe, and strongly too, that you can never compare Buhari with OBJ, NEVER! As per the difference between military and civilian governments, yea, that's true. Military rule is an aberration, they put us in this mess and so should be condemned. So, in essence, you're saying we should put OBJ side-by-side with Shagari and Tafawa Balewa administrations which are civilian. And I say OBJ performed better though he coulda & shoulda done better as president. And yes, we obviously cannot associate Atiku with OBJ's achievements (hell no!) and failures. OBJ is his own man and he is always ready to take any bashing. Instead, the very greedy Atiku was busy scheming to take over power. He messed up the NCP before baba realised he couldnt be trusted with stuff like that and took charge with his economic team and pronto, things took an upward swing. And I laugh when some people say "OBJ shouldnt take credit for Banking reforms and Debt Payment because Soludo and Okonjo-Iweala did it". Even many of our supposed educated fellas are guilty of this. @ naijaking Thanks again for your posts. I love the way you argue - very objective. We have absolutely no business being where we are today but we are on the right path. That's why we don't need an Atiku, IBB, Odili, etc as president of Nigeria. |
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naijaking1
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@obasanjo2
Thanks for being so gracious.
However, I do not agree that any Nigerian or set of Nigerians are less qualified to be president.
If we do so, the other "qualified or ordained" groups will develop a sense of entitlement.
That's going to be a tragedy, because just like the ancient Roman ruling class who developed a sense of entittlement to the throne, our system will fail to produce the best person to fill the most important job in the land.
Even if our leaders forget history, history will never forget them-- rightly or wrongly!
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laudate
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He brought GSM to Nigeria. (for the rich or the masses?) it is a failed project
Ehn, who talk say GSM na failed project?? Who??! Anyway, I no blame una. As much as I dislike OBJ, I must confess that the GSM thing was probably the only thing, he got right. People have forgotten that prior to GSM, we were paying through the nose for epileptic NITEL lines that hardly ever worked.  Telephone seemed to be the exclusive preserve of the rich, while the poor were condemned to using malfunctioning phone booths, and cramped, dingy call centres. NITEL technicians were like Lagos landlords (i.e. shylocks), while the black market for analogue & digital phones, thrived. And whenever your lines got tossed, you had to carry all your billls and stand in one endless queue, begging their officials to reconcile your account & reconnect your line. Now Mufu my brother's tailor, has a phone. Ekaette, my optician also has 'gizim.' I don't have to run to Oyingbo to call my mechanic Taofeek anymore, to do a repair job. I merely flash him & he comes running.  Abeg, levels don change o! |
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naijaking1
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@luadate
good talk.
OBJ brought GSM by doing nothing, ie by letting private companies go for it!
The minute they let private companies provide power for naija, electricity failure will also become a thing of the past.
So, why OBJ never saw that all these 8 years?
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babasin (m)
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Nigerian are very funny, the keep dwelling on the past, OBJ is history, dustbin of history.  Let get this 'baba-go-slow'(yaradau) to start moving a bit.  |
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denex
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@spaceworld
did you really say that GSM is a failed project? Only for the rich? Well, if you can admit that the 21 million GSM users are all rich, then it means the Obasanjo regime has done more than any president in the history of the world. To make 21million rich people from almost nothing.
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