Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy

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denex
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #96 on: June 20, 2007, 10:23 PM »

I believe that second only to the success of telecommunications via GSM, the next best thing OBJ did was to bring in the IPPs. To me it really doesn't matter if it yielded fruit during his administration or not. As long as between the end of this year and 2010, the power problem is solved and we provide excess power within Nigeria that we can even export and make some extra non-oil foreign exchange too.
I-man (m)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #97 on: June 20, 2007, 10:26 PM »

Bringing in technocrats like Iweala,Soludo et al was a positive move.The economic reforms embarked on are OBJ's greatest legacy
denex
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #98 on: June 21, 2007, 12:20 AM »

I think people like Earnest Ndukwe, and Chukwuemeka Chikelu, Dora Akunyili should be brought in as Ministers in their areas of specialization. Soludo for sure. What about that Haz Iwendi guy for police IG? The guy has good PR skills. Then of course Ribadu and El Rufai.

If we can get hold of Phillip Emeagwali, in any of our technologically driven ministries then Naija is on fast forward.

Generally, more Ibos in the Ministries.   
otokx (m)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #99 on: June 21, 2007, 06:16 AM »

Look again, I say OBASANJO go kill Nigeria (2x) now this OBASANJO and him paddy, paddy them don kill all our people finish.

That is what Femi Anukulapo Kuti sang about Obasanjo many years ago. His Father Fela also sang about OBASANJO. Please go and listen to Army Arrangement, wayo wayo put am together.
MILITIA (f)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #100 on: June 21, 2007, 10:19 AM »

Quote from: otokx on June 21, 2007, 06:16 AM
Look again, I say OBASANJO go kill Nigeria (2x) now this OBASANJO and him paddy, paddy them don kill all our people finish.


We have not seen anything yet!   OBJ has killed Nigeria (X1000)   I say Abacha and Babangida could not have reeked such havoc on Nigeria put together! The problems OBJ has caused for Nigerians we are yet to experience!  See Nigerians suffering with the last decisions OBJ made without transparency.  Y'ardua does not know what he has inherited!  OBJ, OBJ, OBJ! Na God go purnish you!  Keep selling Nigeria to Dangote and Odetola!
angel101 (f)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #101 on: June 21, 2007, 12:01 PM »

Quote from: MILITIA on June 21, 2007, 10:19 AM

  Keep selling Nigeria to Dangote and Odetola!

EXACTLY! FROM NOWHERE THESE GUYS NOW OWN THE WHOLE COUNTRY AND CONTROLL ITS ECONOMY
Iyke-D (m)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #102 on: June 21, 2007, 12:41 PM »

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EXACTLY! FROM NOWHERE THESE GUYS NOW OWN THE WHOLE COUNTRY AND CONTROLL ITS ECONOMY

Nice sound byte, but this is very far from the truth. Every regime ushers in its own new millionaires and
billionaires, what is so different and unique about Dangote and Otedola? If you were not born in the
late 80s or 90s, I am a bit surprised at your claim that Dangote came out of nowhere!
angel101 (f)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #103 on: June 21, 2007, 03:33 PM »

ehen? u who were born in the '20's and u don't know that dangote is a family name. has Aliko been a billionaire since the '80's? Otedola nko? don't even get me started silly!
naijaking1
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #104 on: June 21, 2007, 03:38 PM »

I say amen to hiring mostly capable hands to fill this new cabinet.

However, I wouldn't say Igbo cabinet, because that will open a different type of discussion.

Once again, we need to see naija government cabinet as a sinking boat sailing to a historical legacy. Subsequently, we need only capable hands in the boat, not dead weights that could sink the boat.

Power outage can be rectified in a matter of weeks if aggressive and money-making companies are brought into place, see todays news about naija power problem.

http://www.tribune.com.ng/21062007/news/news4.html

Bringing in private companies would ultimately yield millioniares and trillionaires (like in Russia), most people like me would rather pay a little more for power than have no power at all.

We should welcome our millionaires, and hold them readily accountable for the failure of their companies in the future.
mauogbuji (f)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #105 on: June 21, 2007, 03:45 PM »

i need a job please
naijaking1
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #106 on: June 21, 2007, 03:51 PM »

@mauogbuji

Good luck job hunting. I'm not anywhere close to Africa, so my assistance is ltd.
dayokanu (m)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #107 on: June 21, 2007, 03:55 PM »

This story is from this day newspaper today
10,000mw No Longer Feasible By December – Makoju
 
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Former Senior Special Assistant to the President on Power, Engr. Joseph Makoju, has said that the plan by the Federal Gover-nment to generate 10,000 megawatts of electricity by December 2007 is no longer feasible. He attributed this to the delays caused by “on-site” community problems details of which he did not provide.

So who were OBJ and his cohorts deceiving with the IPP's that is taking forever to build?
The same OBJ came out in 1999 to promised uninterrupted power by December 2001 now this is 2007 6 years later and they are telling us about IPP now Makoju is telling us this. How long did it take to build the International space station? Since building IPP's is taking a century
dayokanu (m)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #108 on: June 21, 2007, 03:57 PM »

naijaking1
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #109 on: June 21, 2007, 04:34 PM »

Power Failure

That reminds me, if OBJ truely thinks someone is was sabotaging his 'efforts' in providing power for naija, who has he fired!

This is the same Makoju and others who have been playing hide and seek with our power supply for too long now.

The real enemy is the stupid law that stops IPPs from supplying these power to customers directly.

Only Yar'dua can now fix this problem, if he does not want us to be discussing the same issue of power failure against his legacy in the future.
MP007 (m)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #110 on: June 21, 2007, 04:44 PM »

lageacy ma ass
dayokanu (m)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #111 on: June 21, 2007, 05:12 PM »

So after all the deception of the years the truth about the Independent Power Projects are coming out. So according to Makoju, who should know about it No light this year  try next year!!! So you now see that all the eight years OBJ spent were wasted years. As we can't have power this year!!!! what a disgrace the OWu man is.
naijaking1
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #112 on: June 21, 2007, 09:11 PM »

@dayokanu

that's my point bro.

How come this Makoju guy just came out, speaking like he had nothing to do with power for the past 8 years.

I just keep wondering why is he not in jail (if OBJ was truly sabotaged), and why is he going around the new government trying to postpone our full realization of sufficient power to the next 8 years or more.

Why don't we see this problem?
naijaking1
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #113 on: June 21, 2007, 09:15 PM »


Poor power supply is actually shaping up to be one of OBJ's worst legacies.

When people like Makoju go around trying to pull wool over the eyes of Nigerians, the situation hurts even more.
adeniyidru (m)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #114 on: June 22, 2007, 03:58 PM »

color]gratefully i appreciate u guy's-(najiaking and papabrowne) u've both started and contributed wonderfully to this topic,but sincerely i agreed with papabrowne points the more.
people usually pretends not to see  the good things that nice guy's like Obasanjo has done compare to what Nigerians expect from him,which i guess is not possible to please all-- as our wants are not equal,even if they sight any--that they use in criticizing against the fellow,WHY Nigerians? please we all need to start acknowledging each individual better contribution to-wards the forward growing of our great country
on the issue of leaving legacy behind to be remember of in 8-20-30yrs.i think this can only be achieve out of pride and after one's existence away from power as i have said Man don't tend to appreciate one another.
sleekdot (m)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #115 on: June 22, 2007, 04:43 PM »

What are your basic expectation from a good govt and exclude Security of live, Power supply, Unemployment then what is good about the govt?

What good things can a govt of 8 years claim to do that excludes the above?
laudate
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #116 on: June 22, 2007, 06:12 PM »

Quote from: angel101 on June 21, 2007, 03:33 PM
ehen? u who were born in the '20's and u don't know that dangote is a family name. has Aliko been a billionaire since the '80's? Otedola nko? don't even get me started silly!

Dangote has been a multi-millionaire from the mid-eighties. Even under Abacha & Abdusalam Abubakar, he was the nation's largets importer of rice and sugar. Then he turned to wheat. He was also a big-time importer of cement until he discovered that it would be far cheaper for him to set up cement factories, instead of paying through the nose to import the stuff. The Dangote family is closely related to the Dantata family, who are also multi-millionaire merchants, in the North. Them current head of the Dangote empire, Aliko Dangote has leveraged on his connections with the previous regimes in power, in order to expand his business empire and even influence government policies. In the past, certain items were banned which turned out to be a blessing in disguise for him.

As for Femi Otedola, he got into the oil business in 1991/2. Using miltary connections from retired generals, he went into the downstream sector of the petroleaum marketing business and carved a niche for himself. The terrain he chose was still unexplored, and had very few players. So he was one of the first indigenous business men to set up a tank farm or petroleum products depot, to import and sell fuel to the public. Initially, he started with diesel (AGO) and has now branched out to kerosene (DPK) and other products. He has been able to make a strong mark within such a short time, because he has vast connections both within the political class and the military, (since his father was a former governor of lagos state), and also because he chose an area of business with few competitors. From ownership of a petroleum depot, he has branched out into shipping and now onwns four ships, MT sir Michael Otedola, MT Lady Doja, MT Nana and MT Zenon Conquest, etc.

http://www.thisdayonline.com/archive/2004/10/30/20041030cov01.html

Despite all these achievements, I still believe our government made a major mistake in selling our vital refineries to them. The new owners could choose to refine our nation's crude in their refineries, and then sell it a cost that is way beyond the reach of the masses. Or they could choose to refine their products, and export it all, by claiming they have a better market overseas. It is called enterprise.

The government should have allowed private refineries to be set up, alongside the existing govt-owned ones, and then competition would have taken care of the whole issue, like it did in the case of telecoms.

tonte (m)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #117 on: June 22, 2007, 08:00 PM »

that obasanjo is sumtin else the man has no honour since he left office its just been insults on insults , well he should come and tell the world @ the human rights violation courts in the hague: What did a small school girl or an old man among the hundreds that were killed in the ODI MASSACRE of 2001 in Bayelsa state?? that man should be shot publically. I don't understand how people would pick up an ex-convict and take him through 2 extremes of life i.e prison and presidency almost immediately and expect his brains 2 function normally??? GOD HELP NAIJA Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh
denex
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #118 on: June 22, 2007, 08:41 PM »

Did Mandela's head not function properly?
debosky (m)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #119 on: June 22, 2007, 10:03 PM »

Quote from: dayokanu on June 21, 2007, 05:12 PM
So after all the deception of the years the truth about the Independent Power Projects are coming out. So according to Makoju, who should know about it No light this year  try next year!!! So you now see that all the eight years OBJ spent were wasted years. As we can't have power this year!!!! what a disgrace the OWu man is.

what is the deception in the fact that community unrest had delayed construction and setting up of the plants? Makoju is saying things as they are so it is clear where the problem is: host community issues, as far as the new IPP's are concerned, I know you are aware of the kidnappings and other things going on in the ND where the plants are located.

The Omotosho, Papalanto, Geregu and Ibom stations will bring in ~1000MW once their transmission links are completed. those alone add more power than has been added since the late 80's or early 90's, yet you are saying he should be ashamed. IPP's aren't taking a 'century' as you claim, there are more issues at hand than even Obj himself foresaw in '99, he has admitted as much and the appropriate steps were not taken till '04 when private investors had seemed unwilling to invest, it was at this point that he eventually decided to spend govt funds to build new plants.

the actual supply of power in his tenure may not have been what we hoped, but his LEGACY - i.e his actions that will endure will definitely include power, especially when we begin to see the effects of these plants in operation over the next 12 months.
sleekdot (m)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #120 on: June 23, 2007, 12:21 PM »

Getting to specifics how many of these plants are located in restive areas or which communities are restive is it Omotosho, Papalanto, Geregu, or those ones located in the North even those in the South South just 3 states are restive Bayelsa, Rivers and Delta. Or when did Cross river, Akwa Ibom join restive communities.

We Nigerians are well aware of their tactics imagine  a hopeless ruler blaming sabotage? where does sabotage not occur in the world? and how are their visionary rulers able to conquer it. Akunyili of NAFDAC does she not have saboteurs? They even made an attempt on her life but that did not deter her work.

Hopeless and visionless OBJ
MP007 (m)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #121 on: June 24, 2007, 08:42 AM »

legacy huh?
spaceworld
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #122 on: June 24, 2007, 10:17 AM »

@denex
Yes, i want u to sample the user of the GSM phone, out of every 20 users two will often credit the line one to three time a week, thank God that the era of 3months without crediting ur line had gone, the statistics is a fluke if u don't know.

Well OBJ had not done nothing, go to USA and see how mobile operator are operation without much pain on the user
naijaking1
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #123 on: June 24, 2007, 08:06 PM »

@spaceworld

A good government will regulate the services of GSM companies, and not necessarily run the companies themselves. The government is the people's watch dog against being cheated and ripped off (which is very common with private companies)

Asking us not to judge and evaluate OBJ is to ask the patient not to judge the doctor, or the student not to judge the teacher. It's disingenious to imply that we should forget any possible wrong OBJ did, just because he also did a few good things.

Let's not forget that these discussions also provide a basis to judge and evaluate future naija governments, not just OBJ's
denex
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #124 on: June 24, 2007, 10:54 PM »

@spaceworld

I don't get what you're saying about the whole crediting phone thing.

By the way, in America, mobile phones are still for the well to do. Here in Nigeria, the guy that cut the grass in my compound owns a mobile phone and when it's time for people to cut the grass in their compounds, they can reach him. So I don't understand what you're sending me to America for.
whiteroses (f)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #125 on: June 25, 2007, 12:31 PM »

boo  obasanjo stinks his 8 years is just a waste of time, if he was serious 8 years is too much to fix water, light and road, thousands of lives were lost relating to bad road, water and light, i think nigerian government and all it's figurehead law should be broken down and start from scrath, imagine nurses are now opening private clinic that is not recognised by government those quacks are just wasting precious lives, obasanjo should have investigated and cancelled all those suegbe clinic but he was such a failure
folanusi (m)
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #126 on: June 25, 2007, 01:16 PM »

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folanusi
denex
Re: Olusegun Obasanjo's Legacy
« #127 on: June 25, 2007, 01:29 PM »

Folanusi and Whiteroses, so na Obasanjo legacy una wan use start una relationship. Remember that you people have already said nothing that starts with Obasanjo ends beautifully. 
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