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denex
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Now that one of us has managed to reach a position where he can defau change, we say he's illegitimate. By the time he is sacked and replaced, we'll say it is marginalization.
Are you beginning to see the problem of the Niger-Delta now? Well, are you?!
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GNature (m)
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Point number 2:
Lack of vision and political will by the present group of political leaders to correct the roguish conduct or policies of their predecessors.
An example will put this in proper perspective:
When OBJ came in as President of Nigeria (the second coming of OBJ) in 1999, he knew quite well that the problems of the Niger-Delta has accumulated over the past 20 years that he left power as a Military ruler. Instead of addressing this problem quickly, with the sense of urgency that it requires, he instead resorted to globetrotting, marrying several women, appointing several women, and above all amassing stupendous wealth to himself, party and bootlickers. We heard that the first visit he made out of Abuja as President was to Warri, where there were skirmishes between two feuding ethnic group - the result of local govt creation (divide and rule tactics). He promised to address the problem but never did. He apparently felt all that happened there was a fluke and went back to Abuja with the mind to wreak more havoc on the area.
He knew quite well that something needed to be done urgently to bring succour to the people in the Delta area, himself having been one of the main architect of the misfortune that engulfed the area. And insted of addressing them in the past 8 years that he was president, there is virtually nothing concrete to show that OBJ did anything to better the lot of the people in there. He did not correct anything in the area, rather he made matters worse.
We can only hope that the ''illegitimate'' govt of Umoru and Goodluck will take a clean break from what their godfather did before he left office.
Bold face lieThe 13% derivation for oil producing states and the NDDC took place while OBJ was in power. Rivers State collects more than $100 million a month sometimes, more than any other state in Nigeria owing to this. How much money accrued to Rivers, Bayelsa and Delta states prior to 1999 ? How much do these states receive now ?It is one thing to say OBJ didn't do enough, but to say he made things worse for the niger deltans in his 8 years in office is a bold face lie. |
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ono (m)
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Let me quickly chip in here that I never believed people like Odili, Attah and company are the products of the will of the people of the Niger Delta. Evidence even points to the fact the Odili, the biggest looter of River State treasury, is an OBJ apologist, a godson and political toilet-roll. To say that Odili did anything in the Delta, with all of the white elephant projects in that place is the:
BOLD FACE LIE
With the exception of Cross-River State, and maybe Delta State, all the other stooge were either Atiku or Baba boys!
He did not do enough could be interpreted to mean the same thing as making matters worse. How? Before now, we don't have militants on the prowl in the Delta, at least the electricity situation is not this bad. There were plans to construct the biggest LNG plant in Escravos and provide job for the teeming youths, until it was hijacked and taken to one enclave called Olokola between Ogun and Ondo border by OBJ and his kinsmen. The list is endless.
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GNature (m)
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So it is now OBJ's fault that Odili, Attah & co did not make good use of the millions of dollars that they received as governors during their tenure ?
The fact that Odili looted Rivers State's treasury is Obasanjo's fault. Odili has nothing to do with it at all, its all on Obasanjo.
If OBJ didn't keep Ibori and David Duke from performing well (according to you) as governors, how did he impede Odili and Attah ?
Weren't Duke and Ibori loyal to OBJ too ?
What on God's earth are you talking about ?
You are not making any sense at all ono
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denex
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My dearest ono, as you know, my argument is never one sided. I always correct the party that is making a mistake.
Niger-Delta militants are vandalizing pipelines of petroleum products and few people are dying, though much resources are being lost. Do you know how many million lives will be lost if such a huge gas pipeline leaks into the south of Nigeria? Combine that with when the leakage will reach a naked flame. We're all dead!
All those misdirected investments in Nigeria are in the past.
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ono (m)
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My dearest ono, as you know, my argument is never one sided. I always correct the party that is making a mistake.
Niger-Delta militants are vandalizing pipelines of petroleum products and few people are dying, though much resources are being lost. Do you know how many million lives will be lost if such a huge gas pipeline leaks into the south of Nigeria? Combine that with when the leakage will reach a naked flame. We're all dead!
All those misdirected investments in Nigeria are in the past.
I can only hope and pray that the project does not see the light of the day. And Denex thank you for not being one sided. GNature, The type of loyalty exhibited by Ibori and Duke cannot be compared to what obtains in Rivers state. Odili's own was criminal! There's no basis for comparison. |
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GNature (m)
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ono, my brother, let me state for the record that I believe the people of the niger delta have been short changed as far as their God given resources is concerned. The ND has been neglected for decades and places like lagos, kaduna, kano and abuja have benefited from the ND's oil and gas wealth to the detriment of the ND people. The issue I have with my brother ono is why he doesn't want to hold the ND governors accountable for the tremendous amount of money they have received over the 1999 - 2007 period. Like I said earlier, it is one thing to say OBJ hasn't done enough or that he spent more resources on abuja to the detriment of the ND, but to say he deliberately neglected the ND is far fetched.
GNature,
The type of loyalty exhibited by Ibori and Duke cannot be compared to what obtains in Rivers state. Odili's own was criminal! There's no basis for comparison.
ono, what does being loyal to obasanjo have to do with being able to use money accruing to your state as a governor judiciously ? what does being loyal to OBJ have to do with Odili's looting of Rivers State's treasury ? The $7 million jet bought by Odili, is that also OBJ's fault ? When are you going to hold Odili responsible for his own actions and stop blaming everything on Obasanjo ? |
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ono (m)
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That's OK. MOST of the governors of this country were corrupt during the time OBJ was President. Odili inclusive.
Like I said, the type of developmental efforts put up by people like Duke and Ibori with the resources at their disposal at the time, cannot be rivaled by any governor anywhere in this country. I have been to those states and I know what I'm talking about. Odili was very corrupt during his time as governor. Did baba do anything to bring him to book? Did he send the bulldog- EFCC after him to prosecute him? NO! capital no. He was treated with kid gloves and made to walk free in the country. Did Baba not send EFCC after Dariye in Plateau and the one of Adamawa for corruption?
And during Alamieyeiseigha's time, OBJ rolled out all the Tanks and munitions near the Delta to hole him in. Why did he not do the same to Odili, if not that there's something he stands to gain from the continued imposition of an incompetent person as governor of a state like Rivers?
Listen, OBJ is a pest and must be called such. He is the baba of all thugs.
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GNature (m)
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Odili was very corrupt during his time as governor. Did baba do anything to bring him to book? Did he send the bulldog- EFCC after him to prosecute him? NO! capital no. He was treated with kid gloves and made to walk free in the country. Did Baba not send EFCC after Dariye in Plateau and the one of Adamawa for corruption?
What about the Rivers State house of Assembly, don't they have oversight over the Rivers State executive arm of government ? What did they do about Odili's looting ? Or are you saying they are not aware of Odili's looting ? If oil money is not coming in for the Rivers State people, it is the federal government's fault. If the money is coming into the Rivers State coffers but it is looted, it is also the federal government's fault. Please answer this, what has the Rivers State house of assembly done about ex-Governor Peter Odili's looting of the Rivers State treasury ? |
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debosky (m)
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he is chasing shadows, every thing is Obj's fault, even Olokola LNG was 'carried away' from escravos and taken to an enclave.
but they didnt carry Brass LNG away did they? what about the Escravos GTL plant? was that also carried away?
so until OBJ or who ever the president decides to do things for the ND and control their state governments for them nothing will happen?
is he God? even if you can't control people in Abuja, the man stealing right under your noses, you refuse to stop that one and you blame Obj?
you are yet to recognise the true enemy of the ND in that case.
and also on the Alams case, is he not in the ND? was he not prosecuted to liberate the ND people from his greed? or is bayelsa located in the SW now
Odili and whoever else was corrupt will get their comeuppance in due time, it is up to the ND people to organise themselves and hold their local leaders accountable first, before then focusing on the FG, with the additional confidence that they have used what has come in so far judiciously.
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ono (m)
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What about the Rivers State house of Assembly, don't they have oversight over the Rivers State executive arm of government ? What did they do about Odili's looting ? Or are you saying they are not aware of Odili's looting ?
If oil money is not coming in for the Rivers State people, it is the federal government's fault. If the money is coming into the Rivers State coffers but it is looted, it is also the federal government's fault.
Please answer this, what has the Rivers State house of assembly done about ex-Governor Peter Odili's looting of the Rivers State treasury ?
Just answer my question first. Then, I'll reply you: Why did OBJ not send the Nigerian Army Armada in Portharcourt after Odili when he was fingered by EFCC as one of the most corrupt Governor in the country? he is chasing shadows, every thing is Obj's fault, even Olokola LNG was 'carried away' from escravos and taken to an enclave.
but they didnt carry Brass LNG away did they? what about the Escravos GTL plant? was that also carried away?
so until OBJ or who ever the president decides to do things for the ND and control their state governments for them nothing will happen?
is he God? even if you can't control people in Abuja, the man stealing right under your noses, you refuse to stop that one and you blame Obj?
you are yet to recognise the true enemy of the ND in that case.
and also on the Alams case, is he not in the ND? was he not prosecuted to liberate the ND people from his greed? or is bayelsa located in the SW now
Odili and whoever else was corrupt will get their comeuppance in due time, it is up to the ND people to organise themselves and hold their local leaders accountable first, before then focusing on the FG, with the additional confidence that they have used what has come in so far judiciously.
As per Olokola, we know that the project was meant for Escravos. It was hijacked by OBJ and his kinsmen at the last minute. The original plan was wholistic in the sense that both technical and commercial evaluations were properly carried out to arrive at the decision to site the plant in that place (Escravos). The need to provide jobs for the teeming youths in the area was also incorporated. But all that went down the drains when OBJ decided to move it to an enclave. You must understand that the charges leveled against Alamieyeseigha were trumped up. Alams fell out of favour with the powers that be, the people who selected him to govern Bayelsa. We indeed will not like to wait for the crumbs that falls from the President' desk. But will you and your greedy, lousy and lazy kinsmen in other places allow us to be? That's the question that's begging for serious answer. The fact that many of you are willing to die if the Delta people take full control of the resources in their areas. |
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debosky (m)
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Olokola 'hijacked'? will Chevron, Conocophillips and the others put their money in an unviable project? I disagree totally, Olokola was designed and a suitable location selected, end of story. Ondo produces oil and gas too, so why shouldn't the plant be there?
All this story about 'jobs for the teeming youths' is a fallacy, what happened to the EGTL plant of CHevron that has been stalled for how many years because of wahala even when youths were employed? For them to now set up a new facility in such an unstable locale would be unwise, besides the export terminals and other facilities at that location are sufficient, all companies are looking for ways to spread out their infrastructure now so that every hiccup will not result in total shut down. You still haven't shown one thread of evidence that 'we all know it was hijacked'
you still didn't answer - why was Brass LNG not hijacked? or the AGIP power plant at Kwale? please stop chasing shadows
charges against Alams trumped up?? Did FG put the 1million pounds in his UK (bought with stolen money) apartment? Did they dress him up as a woman to flee london police? If you say selective justice that is a totally different story, but the truth is: Alams stole and is paying the right price for it, the fact that another thief is roaming free doesn't negate his own guilt.
who are the people ready 'to die' if the Delta people 'take control' of their resources? Please stop getting ahead of yourself. Fine the people have been dealt a raw deal by the State, but when they begin to sort things out at a local level, their legitimate cries will achieve more legitimacy and support. even western media have started reporting that Rivers and co get over $100m a month with little to show for it. you need to deal with the local problems while the larger ones are dealt with too, blaming Obj for every problem there is just unreasonable
the so called 'armada' sent to Bayelsa was to protect lawmakers who have the power to impeach and had decided to do so. simple, if the 'good lawmakers' of Rivers did not see it fit to remove a corrupt governor, who do you blame? don't you Delta people know your reps? why can't you get them to do what you want?
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GNature (m)
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Just answer my question first. Then, I'll reply you: Why did OBJ not send the Nigerian Army Armada in Portharcourt after Odili when he was fingered by EFCC as one of the most corrupt Governor in the country?
OBJ didn't send the Nigerian Army after Odili because the Rivers State house of assembly has oversight function over the state executive branch. OBJ really shouldn't have to intervene if the Rivers State house of assembly was doing its job properly. I have answered your question, so please answer mine:
What has the Rivers State house of assembly done about ex-Governor Peter Odili's looting of the Rivers State treasury ? |
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ono (m)
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OBJ didn't send the Nigerian Army after Odili because the Rivers State house of assembly has oversight function over the state executive branch. OBJ really shouldn't have to intervene if the Rivers State house of assembly was doing its job properly.
I have answered your question, so please answer mine:
What has the Rivers State house of assembly done about ex-Governor Peter Odili's looting of the Rivers State treasury ?
I honestly don't know how you want me to believe that write up there as the reason why OBJ did not send his armada in Portharcourt after Odili. Is it not this same OBJ who, after orchestrating the plan of reducing the number of loyal state HA members to a 'sizeable' 8 - using EFCC, in Plateau State, swiftly and blindly too, effected the removal of Dariye from office? House of Assembly members were summarily detained, beaten up and treated like common criminals in Plateau, Adamawa, Oyo and Ekiti states by EFCC and the Police. In the case of Bayelsa, HA members were transferred from Abuja to Lagos and Portharcourt and then back to Yenagoa after series of drilling in the act of impeaching a sitting governor by OBJ and EFCC! This led to the emergence of one hooligan among them whom they know had some beef with Alams and will be a willing tool in their hands. That guy was the arrow-head that led to the removal of Alams. It's on record that the court proceedings that led to Alams' removal is one of the worst, barbaric, brazen, crudest, anywhere in the world! And we do not need to go very far to know that OBJ was the mastermind of the whole plot scheme. Don't you think it will be foolhardy on the part of any HA member in Rivers to come and suggest on the floor of the HA, the removal of a man, who, even kids know is OBJ's stooge in the South South, from office? Given the track record of OBJ in swiftly dealing with opposition, do you think he will allow any yeye HA member to 'impeach' his godson in Rivers state? Olokola 'hijacked'? will Chevron, Conocophillips and the others put their money in an unviable project? I disagree totally, Olokola was designed and a suitable location selected, end of story. Ondo produces oil and gas too, so why shouldn't the plant be there?
All this story about 'jobs for the teeming youths' is a fallacy, what happened to the EGTL plant of CHevron that has been stalled for how many years because of wahala even when youths were employed? For them to now set up a new facility in such an unstable locale would be unwise, besides the export terminals and other facilities at that location are sufficient, all companies are looking for ways to spread out their infrastructure now so that every hiccup will not result in total shut down. You still haven't shown one thread of evidence that 'we all know it was hijacked'
you still didn't answer - why was Brass LNG not hijacked? or the AGIP power plant at Kwale? please stop chasing shadows
charges against Alams trumped up?? Did FG put the 1million pounds in his UK (bought with stolen money) apartment? Did they dress him up as a woman to flee london police? If you say selective justice that is a totally different story, but the truth is: Alams stole and is paying the right price for it, the fact that another thief is roaming free doesn't negate his own guilt.
who are the people ready 'to die' if the Delta people 'take control' of their resources? Please stop getting ahead of yourself. Fine the people have been dealt a raw deal by the State, but when they begin to sort things out at a local level, their legitimate cries will achieve more legitimacy and support. even western media have started reporting that Rivers and co get over $100m a month with little to show for it. you need to deal with the local problems while the larger ones are dealt with too, blaming Obj for every problem there is just unreasonable
the so called 'armada' sent to Bayelsa was to protect lawmakers who have the power to impeach and had decided to do so. simple, if the 'good lawmakers' of Rivers did not see it fit to remove a corrupt governor, who do you blame? don't you Delta people know your reps? why can't you get them to do what you want?
Well, we would really like that Ondo State use their gas/oil resources to feed that plant at Olokola. If we sight any pipeline carrying gas from any area in the Delta (Delta, Bayelsa, Rivers and Akwaibom), don't say I did not warn you, it will be blown up into shreds. From my records, the Escravos Gas to Liquids (EGTL) plant is still very much in the dashboard of that company. And if it had not started yet, it's because OBJ decided to starve the project of funds meant for it's seccessful completion. Just the way he did for several other projects in the South South. He decided to divert state resources to the scheduled completion of projects in the South West. From what I can see here, there's no story on how community youths in the area stalled any project implementation plan in Escravos. http://www.sasolchevron.com/escravos_project.htmhttp://www.hydrocarbons-technology.com/projects/escravos/http://www.mbendi.co.za/proj/p0id.htmThe Environmental Impact Assessments and Socio-economic Assessments have been completed and project critical path site preparation activities commenced in early 2002. The first layer of sand has now been placed on the EGTL project site and placement of the second layer of sand on the primary site where the process units are going to be placed has commenced. Approximately 2,900,000 cubic meters of sand has been placed on the EGTL Project site, which makes this activity 82% complete. Nigeria Escravos gas-to-liquids plant is scheduled to come online in 2005. From what I have up there, if that project slipped beyond 2005, it's because one of the partners have failed to live up to his bidding. And I see FG here as the defaulting partner. Don't blame it on any militant or community. So, why would the FG not want to support a project meant to bring development to the Delta and the country as a whole?: Please see point 1. An eerie and deliberate policy of not developing the Niger Delta until the other constituents of the country are developed.As per Brass LNG, the shareholders of Brass LNG are: Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (49%), Eni International (17%), Philips (Brass) Limited (an affiliate of Conoco Philips) (17%), and Brass Holdings Company Limited (an affiliate of Total) (17%). The project need not be hijacked. However, you must understand the politics behind this project. This project is just one of those smokescreen projects by OBJ to calm frayed nerves in the Delta when the people of the area got wind of the gigantic project at Olokola. I just hope it does not turn out to be another white elephant project in the Delta. The Agip Power plant in Kwale caused a lot of heat when it was commissioned by OBJ. The plant was designed to feed electrical power to the centre - Oshogbo, from where the energy generated will now be distributed to other parts of the country. I have never seen such a disastrous design in my life! During commisioning of the project, the town of Kwale was in complete blackout. Imagine generating electricity in your locality, only for it to be ''piped'' to other places before it will now trickle down to you again! I wonder why you made mention of this project. Makes me want to really go and join the militants right away and help them anyhow! |
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chidichris (m)
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if we must keep sentiments out of it, we will all agree that niger delta have been neglected but the more neglects come from leaders of the niger delta.
even the so called militants at a closer look will be seen as not having the interest of their people at mind.
it sounds funny but if we can use donald duke as a case study here, one will be able to conclude that he was outstanding among other governors so what happened to the allocations given to these other governors who were unable to raise a tanapa in their various states?
on the other hand, we had an alamaysiya who was linked to a refinary outside the country while the vast parts of his state are still in darkness and bad roads remained a normal way of life.
we had an odili who kept on commissioning a power supply unite that only worked on the pages of newspapers.
if we tell ourselves that truth, most of the so clalled leaders of the niger delta, are richer than the states and their wealth has no other routes.
if the niger delta has the interest of her people at heart, let them start leadership by example.
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McKren (m)
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the answer is simple, Nigeria should allow local control of resources so that no one blames someone else for their poblems.
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babyosisi (f)
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all these minorities too dey complain  give me this,give me that they should leave us alone bo |
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mohadana
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the Ibo's who were supposed to be one of the majority are now third class citizen,ibos still complaining about 3o-something years ago biafra war. they should leave us alone;D |
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babyosisi (f)
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Izon people don begin talk for public?
since when?
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MILITIA (f)
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@babyosisi LOL I fear oh! Those palm wine tappers and "drinkards"! Can't you see he cannot write more than 2 lines? Real izon berebe! The height of "bushness' in Nigeria! Only to fight for goat and fowl or palm wine! Education---zero! Social skills----zero! @Mohadana Who teach you oyibo?  Don't you see the long long letters ya mates dey write for up yonder?   |
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MILITIA (f)
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@Topic With elements like this clown "mohadana"! What do you expect? Cannot fight for basic human rights, but will fight only on the level of "akpeteshi" and "burukutu"! With blunt cutlass and machetee! |
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mohadana
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this ashawo lady.
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laudate
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@Mohadana Who teach you oyibo? Don't you see the long long letters ya mates dey write for up yonder? , I dey beg for Mohadana. Make una leave am alone. Na wetin? Haba, this yah assessment dey harsh o! I know say e misjive, but na only small mistake I'm make. Oya, make una forgive am abeg!  @Mohadana, Take time o!  I dey yah back, dey plead for you, and you come dey render all my pleas, null and void. Which one be all this? Abeg, stop misjiving for there, jare!  |
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MILITIA (f)
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@LaudateCan't you see the "yahoo" dunce can only spell "ashawo"? @mohadanaEveryone in Naija knows that you guys are barely educated in that your area! Please join OBJ in Covenant University, Ota Farms for night school I beg you! You "ashawo' man!
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Esss (m)
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6 Reasons why The Niger Delta remains neglected by , blah blah blah, Answer; 1. The people of the Niger Delta are 85% illiterates. Meaning that most of us are Idiots. 2. The Niger Delta people are not united, Check out how we have been fighting ourselves, Ijaw vs. isekiri, ogoni vs okrika, e.t.c 3. We are short-sighted, thats why the govt. can take advantage of us and walk away scot free, 4. We lack leaders who are honestly and genuinely ready to pursue our cause, leaders who harbour no selfish interest, 5. We do not even know what we want 6. Our current reputation as kidnappers, assassins, terrorists and arsonists, 7. The non-chalant attitude of our youths towards self development. i.e our youths no wan go school, so how them wan use take control or reason with govt. And yes, I be Niger delta pikin, not saying where. but i'll reveal this much, Rivers State. |
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MILITIA (f)
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@ Esss Thank you! Na you talk am! The truth is very bitter they say. The sooner we accept responsiblity for our failures the better! Can't keep blaming the government for things we have done to ourselves! |
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Esss (m)
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Just Imagine say them pursue shell comot for nigeria, come carry the company assets give Mahadona to run?? That wan mean say we no wan progress, See as the mumu pikin no fit express ehn self online were nobody dey look am eye to eye, When ehn com meet dignitaries wetin go happen, Education is the first thing we need on our road to salvation, Militia, na true o! but e dey pain me,  |
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MILITIA (f)
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See as the mumu pikin no fit express ehn self online were nobody dey look am eye to eye, When ehn com meet dignitaries wetin go happen, Militia, na true o! but e dey pain me, The guy "mohadana" can spell "ashawo' though! |
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debosky (m)
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From what I have up there, if that project slipped beyond 2005, it's because one of the partners have failed to live up to his bidding. And I see FG here as the defaulting partner. Don't blame it on any militant or community. So, why would the FG not want to support a project meant to bring development to the Delta and the country as a whole?: Please see point 1. An eerie and deliberate policy of not developing the Niger Delta until the other constituents of the country are developed.
As per Brass LNG, the shareholders of Brass LNG are: Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (49%), Eni International (17%), Philips (Brass) Limited (an affiliate of Conoco Philips) (17%), and Brass Holdings Company Limited (an affiliate of Total) (17%). This project is just one of those smokescreen projects by OBJ to calm frayed nerves in the Delta when the people of the area got wind of the gigantic project at Olokola.
You see the FG as the defaulting partner? pray tell, who blew up sections of the escravos pipeline supplying gas to the egbin and other thermal stations necessitatiing the shutdown of the pipeline which is now affecting the project? Is it not the so called aggrieved youths who are just bent on lining their own pockets? sorry, the FG blew it up right? self sabotage is what your militants are doing http://www.brasslng.com/852.htmlBrass LNG a smokescreen project? so BP, BG and other international companies bought gas supplies from a 'smokescreen' company? also tell the people doing the FEED design that it is a smokescreen. you are just chasing shadows, Brass LNG is much bigger than the proposed Olokola project, and has proceeded much further down the line, in fact it was conceived long before OK came up, so I would suggest you lose this 'OBJ wants to underdevelop us' mindset, it is distorting your view on issues greatly. If EGTL is delayed it is because of OBJ, if Odili steals money it is because of OBJ, if militants bomb pipelines it is because of OBJ, if militants kidnap workers in Eleme petrochemical after resuscitating it after over 5 dormant years, it is OBJ's fault. that attitude will keep you as undeveloped as you are now, there are more concrete issues to be faced. Show us 1 shred of evidence of this 'eerie policy not to develop the ND before other areas' - the 9 power plants being built there (which will ALL supply power to local areas before further distribution) or maybe they are all 'smokescreen' projects too! http://www.lahmeyer.de/e/units/ge/ps_ge4_e_230340_niger_delta_2006_10.pdf |
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MILITIA (f)
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@mohadanaSee debosky as he expressed himself coherently? Why can't you people in Ijawland write like this? @deboskyTake it easy oh! People like Mohadana cannot read more than 2 lines per week!
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debosky (m)
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don't worry, I give him till December to understand, there is still hope for him |
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mingiix
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Niger Delta indigenes are illiterates? At the last count in my village ( Nembe in Bayelsa state), 50% of men and women between the 30-60 yr age bracket had a post-graduate qualification.
If that makes me iliterate, so be it.
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