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natur (m)
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Can anyone tell me the difference between Celeron, Centrino and Pentium. I'm still confused, somehow.
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Jwhizzy (m)
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Celeron, centrino and pentium. From what I know, they all belong to Intel corporation.
Centrino is not a processor unlike celeron and the Pentiums (I stand to b corrected). Rather Centrino is a make up that has Pentium M as the processor and other add-ins. They are adjudged to be faster and produce less heat.
Celeron processors seem to have very high processor speeds but you can't trust them for high functionality like 3d gaming because they overheat. So a celeron 2.2Mhz for instance could b equivalent to a Pentium M wit 1.5-1.8mhz. So don't b decieved.
Suggestion: For your desktop, you can get a P4 or mayb a Celeron but gor your lappie, Pentium M is the best if you can afford it. If you can't, just go for a P3 or P4. For me celeron is a not good for a laptop because if your laptop ain't got 2 fans, then, you might as well be prepared to change the body pretty soon.
Centrinos are the machines from Intel that have Pentium M processors. Hope this is helpful?
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karl ken (m)
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How good are mercury laptop products  |
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inze (m)
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Well said Jwhizzy,
All u said stands correct, i use a laptop running on 1.73ghz, 256mb ram, 60GIG hard-drive, DVDrom and it serves me well as in processing speed and all that, just the fact that it generates lots of it when used over a long period of time (10 hours).
Asides that, you stand correct.
Big Ups.
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Jwhizzy (m)
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10ks @inze.@karl,i once had an offer for a mercury celeron m 512mb 40gig for 60k.Gues what?I turnd it down.Gues y?D same reason y d almost d whole world use windows os and few use linux.We r al usd 2 dell,hp n compaq.Atleast,u cn vouch 4 those.As 4 mercury,i dnt knw much.Its just like buyin a mitsuchaki or kawamuchi tv.Cn u get d parts.Do u trust d hardware.R there repair centres 4 it around.Think about that.
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natur (m)
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@Jwhizzy,
Sure bug, your contribution is of help, and is define. But, tell me -- and I guess -- centrino is better-off considering this add-in, or maybe is not what I think. Can I know exactly what-and-what could be added to PM to make it a Centrino. Thanks Hell a lot.
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Rmomodu
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Celeron, centrino and pentium. From what I know, they all belong to Intel corporation.
Centrino is not a processor unlike celeron and the Pentiums (I stand to b corrected). Rather Centrino is a make up that has Pentium M as the processor and other add-ins. They are adjudged to be faster and produce less heat.
Celeron processors seem to have very high processor speeds but you can't trust them for high functionality like 3d gaming because they overheat. So a celeron 2.2Mhz for instance could b equivalent to a Pentium M wit 1.5-1.8mhz. So don't b decieved.
Suggestion: For your desktop, you can get a P4 or mayb a Celeron but gor your lappie, Pentium M is the best if you can afford it. If you can't, just go for a P3 or P4. For me celeron is a not good for a laptop because if your laptop ain't got 2 fans, then, you might as well be prepared to change the body pretty soon.
Centrinos are the machines from Intel that have Pentium M processors. Hope this is helpful?
@Jwhizzy, You do stand to be corrected. Celeron laptops are old. There is a new version of celerons that have been produced and it is called celeron mobile (celeron m). This takes in the short comings of the previous version into consideration. It cools well and works fast. I know a lot of people that use celeron M laptops and they have not been complaining. The only problem celeron m laptops have is the bad image caused by the previous version |
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dejia (m)
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From the little experience i have with computers, i think Celeron is ok for most home users, people who simply use computer to type,browse and nothing extra- ordinary.
Most celerons running on ,400 or 533MHZ and are slower and cheaper than Pentium.i think is idea for internet cafes.
Pentium or MMX as most people call it in nigeria, is Multi Media Xtension its very good for games,graphics, Media ( sound & video editting) its faster because most of them run on 800MHZ. i think its idea for people who really do alot on the pc.its its very rugged as well, if u need to compare it with a celeron is like comparing a KIA with a Toyota.
Centrino , are faster, they are like newer version of Pentium, but the most important difference to me is There Batteries last much longer than that of the Pentium 4 , the pentium 4 are also heavier in weight compared to the centrino ( this is only for laptops).
My conclusion, My brother, sometimes most of this things don't really matter, it depends on what u do on your pc. and the software u use on them, i beleive most of this manufacturers are just coming out with newer stuffs to collect our money, its just like cellphones, because now, we have some newer models called duo core or is it core duo model coming out. i feel i can still do most of my daily work on a celeron without any problem.
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fromuk (m)
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last week i went to buy a laptop from one of the leading PC store in Europe, i intended buy centrino but when i went their i fund out that centrino is almost not available. what on board now from Intel is Dual Core 2 Duo i asked one of the Tech Guys they have their he told me that Core 2 Duo is the letest in computer processor. I ask how he told me that with special CD you can record on both sides which centrino and others can't do.
Please i want to know if this is correct as i have not opened the laptop i bought yet which i can easily send back if actually he decived me.
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Christino (m)
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last week i went to buy a laptop from one of the leading PC store in Europe, i intended buy centrino but when i went their i fund out that centrino is almost not available. what on board now from Intel is Dual Core 2 Duo i asked one of the Tech Guys they have their he told me that Core 2 Duo is the letest in computer processor. I ask how he told me that with special CD you can record on both sides which centrino and others can't do.
Please i want to know if this is correct as i have not opened the laptop i bought yet which i can easily send back if actually he decived me.
He was probably right all along but at this point, he's talking trash! unless of course you were'nt paying attention or you got carried away by the prospect of using an ultra modern laptop. He was prolly refering to Multi Layer (or Double Layer) DVD +-RW. Your processor speed has nothing to do with that, you can even purchase external devices to do that. Core2Duo is not only powerful, it emits less heats and thus conserves battery life. It's relatively cheap, about $700 after rebate for the new toshiba with thumbprint recognition. Watch out for user reviews before you buy. Toshiba Satellite M series is bullshit, with no reset button and 95% thumbs down from users. That i think should come first! |
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darqly (m)
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Good, I just learnt something. Then can someone can please explain where AMD Athlons fall into?? I know they're excellent for gaming as well.
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Niggy (m)
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Processor can be categorized into 1. Performance processors 2. Econonic processors 3. GamingPentiums, Centrino, Pentium M ,Core and the rest in this kind are performance rated. Celeron is an econonic processor. Economic by been cheap. A processor has the L1 and L2 cache. For celerons the size of the L1 and L2 cache is reduced compared to their speed equivalent pentiums and this is why it's cheap. This is the major difference between a pentium and celeron. Celeron is made from the same architecture pentiums are made from hence they can't radiate more heat or run slower than their pentium speed equivalent. Since it has a smaller L1 and L2 cache, it is not recommended for high end gaming or animation or strong computer works. Though i would work, but don't expect the performance u would ve gotten with a pentium. Centrino is a brand name by intel. when a laptop has Intel wifi, intel lan, intel Hub and pentium m processor, it is a centrino brand. I know there is a new brand of celeron, call celeron D. I ve not reviewed that. I ve used a celeron 2.6Ghz once, and i performed fine. I play Pro Soccer Evolution 6, wolfenstein and other good games without flaw. I now use a Toshiba satellite pro A 120 with core solo 1.86Ghz processor.  |
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castro
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Hi guys,please who can tell me which of the three is most suitable for civil engineering softwares such as CIVILCAD,STAAD PRO and WATERCAD? can i use a laptop with a Pentium 3 for these softwares,please advice.Thanks a million.
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touche (m)
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intel:
celerons r cheap ass processors, pentium r like ol skul, centrino's d shh (esp core-duo)
castro u'd need a pentium 4 (or pentium m), 512mb ram, > 2.0 Ghz processor (pentium) or like >1.7Ghz for centrino)
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adomidoben
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To everybody in the house, please which computer desktop configuration is ok for home use. The specification must take care of the following: high speed, internet, DVD writer and rugged for children/parents handling. Do you advise on clone, Tokunbo or branded new one. Please present your explaination in clear english and not the usual broken english.
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Jwhizzy (m)
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Well said house.But i stil maintain that u stay off anytin celeron for laptops.Dis is because celeron processors require more processor speed for high end operations especially 3d gaming n multimedia in comparison 2 their pentium counterparts.Hence,they r more likely goin 2 produc more heat,shorter battery life 4 your laptop n wear out more easily.So weda its a celeron,celeron m or celeron d,be weary.Bt i gues it all coms down to d use u'd b putting your notebook to.
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adomidoben
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Will someone please give answer to my request above - concerning specification of desktop good for home use
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ryu11 (m)
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Hi all!! Toshiba Satellite M series is bullshit, with no reset button and 95% thumbs down from users. That i think should come first! I want to pick a Toshiba Satellite A135-S2286 is it part of the M series you mentioned. |
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PHBABE (f)
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what about the AMD processors, are they good? how do they compare. i have been putting off buying a laptop too because i don't know what to buy.
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seun001 (m)
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well,u guys are really scaring me ooo.i had concluded plans to buy a laptop .its an LG brand.specification is as follows:
• R400-52PLAD
SPECIAL FEATURE: Smart Camera; LG labtop with an inbuilt camera which can be used as a webcam enabling you take picture, videos and send across the internet
OTHER FEATURES:
*CPU: Intel Celeron M Processor 430 (1.73HGz)
*LCD: Fine Bright 14.1” WXGA TFT LCD
* Video: Intel GMA 950 Graphics
* Memory: 512MB DDR2
*HDD: 80GB SATA HDD
*ODD: DVD/CD-R/W Combo
*Wired LAN: 10/100 Integrated Fast Ethernet
*Wireless LAN: 802.11b/g NIC
*Modem: 56K
*Bluetooth
Software Included:
*Window VistaTM Homebasic.
please really need a precise and objective appraisal of this laptop.also the review should include nigerian use.intermittent power supply and all problems associated with using a laptop in nigeria.i intend to use it heavily as time goes on.thanks in anticipation of your replies.cheers
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inze (m)
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@Seun.
Thats laptop sure is a good one, depending on what you want to use it for, its almost the same specs with what i have now.
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dakmanzero (m)
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ok, it seems intel's confusing nomenclature has bamboozled most of us here. Let me try an clear things up for u:
Intel has three main processor families
P6 ARCHITECTURE : PENTIUM 3 (outdated), PENTIUM M and CORE DUO
NETBURST ARCHITECTURE : PENTIUM 4 and PENTIUM D
CONROE ARCHITECTURE :CORE 2 DUO
IMPORTANT! the name CENTRINO does NOT refer to a chip. It is Intel's "mobile platform"
centrinos usually included a pentium M, and sometimes a mobile celeron. BEWARE!
centrino duo's usually include a core duo
centrino pro's usually include a core 2 duo
At the end of the day PLEASE IGNORE THE WORD CENTRINO AND CHECK THE PROCESSOR TYPE YOURSELF.
the p6 is one of Intel's best-loved architectures. The Netburst was known for HIGH MHZ but rubbish performance per MHZ and HIGH TEMPERATURES. The Conroe is the latest, an evolution of P6 and currently the most powerful desktop/laptop processors on the market. The pentium 3 is a p6, but it is outdated now and so does not compete, even with the inferior NETBURST chips. The P6 that should concern you are PENTIUM M, also known as CORE SOLO, and CORE DUO which is just 2 pentium M's on the same die.
NETBURST chips have higher mhz than p6 and conroe chips, but the p6 and conroes are faster and more powerful per MHZ. Thats why core2duo of 2.66mhz is better than p4 of 3+mhz. The high MHZ is a marketing trick to bamboozle buyers. NETBURST chips, especially the prescott type (2.8 ghz and above) have a bad reputatio for overheating and horrible battery life. The NETBURSTS are pentium 4's. AS A RULE STAY AWAY FROM THEM. pentium 4 is a useless brand and intel's biggest failure. For any P4 there is an AMD athlon with better performance at half the price. AMD semprons cannot match pentium M, and no athlon can beat core 2 duo, but P4 is NOTHING compared to AMD. Even the dual core pentium Ds are useless.
CONROES are the latest, with oustanding speed, cool operation and great battery life. If you have the money, get a conroe (CORE 2 DUO)
ABOUT CELERON
Now pay attention because this is where things become very scary.
celerons cut across ALL FAMILIES except conroe for now, but in the future we will see conroe celerons.
A celeron is A PROCESSOR THAT FAILED QUALITY CONTROL TESTING BUT IS STILL USEFUL IF CRIPPLED IN SOME WAY.
Now, since the price difference between a celeron and its parent processor is usually HUGE, celerons can sometimes be a GOOD DEAL. However sometimes they can be a NIGHTMARE.
The main problem is it is DIFFICULT, BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE to know what the celeron's parent processor was.
Of course a celeron based on a P4 is such a bad choice it isnt even worth thinking about.
Many celerons based on Pentium M's are good in that they are almost identical to the pentium M, but have the SPEEDSTEP technology DISABLED, hence battery life is poor, and the laptop may get HOT. Speedstep is the tech used by pentium Ms to regulate their speed when u are not using them actively.
THERE ARE CELERONS WITH SPEEDSTEP ENABLED. Unfortunately I don't know which ones, and I don't know what else was crippled to gauarantee the badge of 'celeron'. Be very very careful.
The way to find out what you are in for is to take the celeron and its clock speed, then the year of manufacture, and go and search anandtech.com or extremetech.com for a review. SOmetimes you are lucky, sometimes not.
The rule is this:
IF THE COMPUTER IS NOT FOR SERIOUS USE, A CELERON MAY SUFFICE, because remember, they are identical to parent processors except with some defective part removed, like half the cache memory, or speedstep technology. ANd the COST SAVINGS ARE HUGE.
HOWEVER IF IT IS FOR SERIOUS USE, DO NOT GO FOR A CELERON.
There was a time in the past, with the celeron-128 800mhz, when celerons were actually as fast if not faster than their pentium 3 parents due to Intel changing the process and eliminating cache latency by putting cache on die, so even though they reduced the cache memory, the celerons were accesing it faster! They then strangled the celerons to 66mhz fsb but bad guys who knew how could unlock the POWER.
who knows they may make another mistake like that in future?
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dakmanzero (m)
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@seun001 That laptop is a turkey. 1) 512 megs of RAM is utterly useless for vista, and you will curse the machine if it is XP with current software. I'm typing this from an nx8220 running XP, and until I upgraded it to 1GB memory recently I wanted to throw it out of the window. 1GB is the minimum for vista, and u really should not bother until u have 2GB 2) As a gamer, I will NEVER buy any laptop using intelGMA. I'd rather go for NVIDIA or ATI graphics. If you are a non-gamer, it may be sufficient, but nvidia/ati will give you the best of VISTA's new interface. http://www.notebookcheck.net/Comparison-of-Grafic-Cards.130.0.htmlGMA is class 4 or 5 on that list, I think. 3) Think very very very hard about a celeron M. That laptop is probably a Z-class that I saw once at LG showroom in Ikoyi and I identified the processor as a speedstep-disabled pentium M (see my post above to get clarifications). That means overheating and poor battery life. Tread carefully. |
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SHOT (m)
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nice and comprehensive lecture from dakmanzero. but u all shouldnt forget that cost implications.
nigerians want a cheap system as long as it can do what they want for the main time. but if u are a gamer, video editor or into any thing graphics, then don't consider a celeron
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dakmanzero (m)
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Yes, I understand.
For a desktop, a celeron will usually be good, because the difference between p4's and p4-based celerons isnt good for nongaming tasks.
However this is a laptop discussion, and because of the lack of speedstep, most celeron lappys are not a good choice because of poor battery life, and you know NEPA.
also, Naija is a tropical region, you don't want an overheating laptop because the manufactirer may not have made provisions for the kind of temps it will reach ona dail basis. It could become unstable and fail early.
I however noted the BIG, SUBSTANTIAL cost savings on a celeron. As always, I say tread carefully.
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pierremarc (m)
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please where does AMD come in? hola back  |
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dakmanzero (m)
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AMD is a different company
they have their own processor lines.
Theres much debate about their merits but generally you can expect this:
1) Desktop AMDs will typically outperform a similarly priced INTEL, sometimes by a factor of 2. With pentium4 it was embarrasing for intel how much more powerful AMD's were.
2) Compared to pentium 4, a lower clocked AMD would usually be faster. eg 1.7ghs amd beats 2.26ghz p4
3) The above is NOT true for LAPTOP chips, where the pentium M has always been superior and the Intel core 2 duo reigns supreme. HOWEVER AMD ARE CHEAPER, AND BETTER BATTERY LIFE/COOLING THAN MOBILE CELERONS.
4) Currently, AMD doesnt compete in the same space as core2duo. Core2duo is faster and better, but also more expensive, than anything AMD can muster.
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thegame (m)
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you haven't mentioned the wireless capabilities.I own a toshiba tecra and the connectivity is full. You can't get that connectiity with pentium M as i understood and also celeron or centrino is the best for laptops not pentium.
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dakmanzero (m)
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The CPU has nothing to do with wireless connectivity. Of course a pentium M can support wifi!
The only difference between a centrino and a non-centrino is that the Wireless chipset *may* not be by intel.
Since there isnt anything particularly amazing about intel wifi, this is a non-issue. If u need wifi, look on the box.
Also DUDE! don't get confused! What you said about celeron/centrino being better than pentium is complete nonsense! his is because centrinos include pentiums, and celerons are crippled pentiums. The person advising you was probably saying this:
Pentium M (what you interpreted as centrino) and celeron are better for laptops than pentium 4 (which you list as pentium). and this is absolutely CORRECT! I can't explain again, go read my post and if u are still confused hit intel.com and do some research.
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Ajodabile
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Celeron seems to be taking some flak, but here's some words from a Celeron user. I have a Compaq laptop with a Celeron M 1.86 Ghz processor, and 512 Mb of Ram. From the Nigerian point of view, Celeron is a winner because it is Cheap! I got mine for less than 60 grand (about $430), brand new!
Also, unlike what some have been saying, it also has the speed stepping feature (if by speed stepping it is meant the ability to reduce your processor speed in order to make the battery run longer)
And I have been able to compare it with my mother's laptop, a toshiba centrino with similar specs, but with a pentium M 1.76 Ghz processor, and I cannot tell the difference (In terms of computing power, heat radiation, gaming power and battery life). And guess what? She bought it for 170 grand. Thats the price of three of mine!.
I will always reccomen a Pentium if you have the money to spend, and if you want to say "my laptop has a pentium M processor" (and as you say it, you can glo with pride!) But the advantages, whatever they are, are too small to justify paying such a huge price.
(As an aside, Celerons are NOT defective Pentiums that did not meet quality standard, they ARE Pentiums with a certain amount of cache memory disabled. As such, they are slightly slower.)
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dakmanzero (m)
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@ajodabile I am also a proud celeron owner  my celeron-128 800mhz when overclocked could beat the p3's of that time due to low cache latency. And cost about 1/3 as much Yours is probably one of these celerons: http://www.intel.com/products/processor/celeron_m/index.htmIt does NOT have speedstep. It has something called low voltage tech, which is not the same thing. It cannot change speed dynamically, but it CAN lower its clock speed after a long period of disuse. However NOT ALL CELERONS HAVE THIS FEATURE. you got lucky! Most people who buy a celeron M will suffer heat and low battery life.You will also notice that your celeron has a locked multiplier of 24x, which means even if you have a good clockspeed, your FSB is throttled and ANYONE who knows anything about processors knows the FSB is where its at. You also have 1 MEG of your cache memory disabled BECAUSE IT WAS DEFECTIVESo u can't claim you have the same performance as a pentium M for gaming. The celeron M's are a bit better than most celerons because of the closeness in features to the paretnts, but they are still nothing more than crippled pentiums. The low low price however *does* make for a bargain deal. The advice is all there in my earlier post! Also, dude, u got 512megs there. No way that thing is doing any serious gaming. |
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